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Support Healing and Defensive Warrior Elite Spec idea: Justicar

Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

Weapon : Staff.
Staff is a Defensive oriented Power weapon with Support aspects.

Mechanics:

*Holy Fury replaces Adrenaline system

*Holy Fury Generates from Weapon damage as well as taken damage.

*Burst Skills are replaced by Judgement skills:

F1 Reparations: Upkeep skill heals nearby allies 10% of the damage you do with weapons.
F2 Seize and Detain - AoE Taunt that Pulls nearby enemies after 2 seconds
F3 Safe Haven - create a safe area that removes a conditions every second for 4 seconds and grants protection to allies within and blocking projectiles
F4 Benediction - Upkeep channel skill healing allies in the targeted area. Cant move while channeled. Heals downed allies as well.

Skills:

*Heal: Divine Touch - Dwayna touches the ground healing 5 allies in the area, and creating a temporary barrier equal to 30% of their health for 3 seconds.
Fist of Justice - Strike enemy, stunning them, removing a boon and increasing duration of conditions on them.

*Law and Order - Your next Judgement skill cost no Holy Fury.

*Gavel's Might- Conjure forth a Gavel of justice, striking down on enemies in front of you, healing you and healing an addition for each enemy hit up to 5 targets.

*Elite: Invocation- Become one with the Divine Judgement, becoming an avatar of judgement for 10 seconds. Consumes all Holy Fury

Note:

Holy Fury will generate at a slower pace compared to the core Adrenaline mechanic. In exchange of this and the lack of damage from traditional burst skills, the Justicar has access to more support and defensive skills. Making Justicar both an excellent front like healer, but also excellent break bar breaker.

Comments

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    what is it with ppl and ignoring the religious lore of this game for the sake of an espec?

    also to guardiany

    I Have No friends, so I Must pug

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    So the next elite spec for warrior will be Guardian?

    no Justicar

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    You just made a guardian espec, just calling it “justicar”.

    Guardian is a class not a specialization.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:
    what is it with ppl and ignoring the religious lore of this game for the sake of an espec?

    also to guardiany

    whats the religious lore thats ignored? Because in GW1 there were religious warriors of order called Justicars.
    Guardians are more like Spiritual Ritualist crossed with Warrior.

    Justicar would be more a cross between Warrior, Dervish, and Smiter Monks.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    You made a guardian espec... read up https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guardian

    Guardian is a Class, not an Elite Spec. Justicars existed in lore from GW1

    Read up Swag https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Specialization#Elite_specializations

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 24, 2019

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    what is it with ppl and ignoring the religious lore of this game for the sake of an espec?

    also to guardiany

    whats the religious lore thats ignored? Because in GW1 there were religious warriors of order called Justicars.
    Guardians are more like Spiritual Ritualist crossed with Warrior.

    charr, asura, sylvari and norn do noy follow the religious believes of the humans and some actively look down on humans because of their religious views. on top of that charr have criminalized religion

    also guardians were literally made to be the religious class like paladins but without any religious lore as to remain race neutral

    I Have No friends, so I Must pug

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

    Read through guardian then read your op

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

    Read through guardian then read your op

    explain it. You keep saying but doing no explaining.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

    Read through guardian then read your op

    explain it. You keep saying but doing no explaining.

    I don’t need to explain anything when you can just read the information provided on the wiki.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

    Read through guardian then read your op

    explain it. You keep saying but doing no explaining.

    I don’t need to explain anything when you can just read the information provided on the wiki.

    Yeah you do. This is a Discussion forum. You explain the stuff you say.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

    Read through guardian then read your op

    explain it. You keep saying but doing no explaining.

    I don’t need to explain anything when you can just read the information provided on the wiki.

    Yeah you do. This is a Discussion forum. You explain the stuff you say.

    Why should I explain when there is resource material you can read? The wiki explains it all

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

    Read through guardian then read your op

    explain it. You keep saying but doing no explaining.

    I don’t need to explain anything when you can just read the information provided on the wiki.

    Yeah you do. This is a Discussion forum. You explain the stuff you say.

    Why should I explain when there is resource material you can read? The wiki explains it all

    as I said before. This is a Discussion forum. Thats why

  • Lan Deathrider.5910Lan Deathrider.5910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Because you won't click the link he gave you here is the description of the Guardian from the wiki:

    "Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory."

    What you posted looks like, sounds like, and would function like a guardian. Warrior needs a better support role, don't get me wrong, but what you put forth is more of a guardian e-spec than a warrior e-spec. A warrior support e-spec would probably have more combo fields, or updates to shouts and banners along with either staff, pistols, or shortbow (shudder at the thought).

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    Because you won't click the link he gave you here is the description of the Guardian from the wiki:

    "Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory."

    What you posted looks like, sounds like, and would function like a guardian. Warrior needs a better support role, don't get me wrong, but what you put forth is more of a guardian e-spec than a warrior e-spec. A warrior support e-spec would probably have more combo fields, or updates to shouts and banners along with either staff, pistols, or shortbow (shudder at the thought).

    Warrior already has those things. I don't want an elite spec with more of the same things the core already has. That's the point of elite specs to change up the way core play. As I said above, Guardians aren't the only heavy armor defense class in Lore. Justicars existed 200 years ago and played a warrior/dervish/monk role. Guardians is more Warrior/Rit/monk compared to here. Besides its support role its not like Guardian in gameplay. The mechanics of this is more of a inverse Revenant with better resource system.
    Like I said before, I don't want another elite spec that's does the same thing core does with a different look. Rage skills for example seem like amp up Physicals. We already have Banners and Shouts. I would be very disappointed in a new elite spec that gave more shouts.

  • Lan Deathrider.5910Lan Deathrider.5910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    Because you won't click the link he gave you here is the description of the Guardian from the wiki:

    "Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory."

    What you posted looks like, sounds like, and would function like a guardian. Warrior needs a better support role, don't get me wrong, but what you put forth is more of a guardian e-spec than a warrior e-spec. A warrior support e-spec would probably have more combo fields, or updates to shouts and banners along with either staff, pistols, or shortbow (shudder at the thought).

    Warrior already has those things. I don't want an elite spec with more of the same things the core already has. That's the point of elite specs to change up the way core play. As I said above, Guardians aren't the only heavy armor defense class in Lore. Justicars existed 200 years ago and played a warrior/dervish/monk role. Guardians is more Warrior/Rit/monk compared to here. Besides its support role its not like Guardian in gameplay. The mechanics of this is more of a inverse Revenant with better resource system.
    Like I said before, I don't want another elite spec that's does the same thing core does with a different look. Rage skills for example seem like amp up Physicals. We already have Banners and Shouts. I would be very disappointed in a new elite spec that gave more shouts.

    I'm not arguing with your lore, but what you put forth is a guardian.

    Warrior only has Longbow for combo fields, I'd love to be able to lay down a smoke field and leap through it. I'd love an e-spec that had access to several low CD fields of varying sorts that I could leap through or blast.

    Shouts as they are now suck, but an e-spec could make them better with things like echos and arias from GW1.

    You can have your Justicar, but you'll get further with it if it played off of what Warrior can already do and make it more like the old Paragons from GW1 than the Guardians in GW2.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    Because you won't click the link he gave you here is the description of the Guardian from the wiki:

    "Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory."

    What you posted looks like, sounds like, and would function like a guardian. Warrior needs a better support role, don't get me wrong, but what you put forth is more of a guardian e-spec than a warrior e-spec. A warrior support e-spec would probably have more combo fields, or updates to shouts and banners along with either staff, pistols, or shortbow (shudder at the thought).

    Warrior already has those things. I don't want an elite spec with more of the same things the core already has. That's the point of elite specs to change up the way core play. As I said above, Guardians aren't the only heavy armor defense class in Lore. Justicars existed 200 years ago and played a warrior/dervish/monk role. Guardians is more Warrior/Rit/monk compared to here. Besides its support role its not like Guardian in gameplay. The mechanics of this is more of a inverse Revenant with better resource system.
    Like I said before, I don't want another elite spec that's does the same thing core does with a different look. Rage skills for example seem like amp up Physicals. We already have Banners and Shouts. I would be very disappointed in a new elite spec that gave more shouts.

    I'm not arguing with your lore, but what you put forth is a guardian.

    Warrior only has Longbow for combo fields, I'd love to be able to lay down a smoke field and leap through it. I'd love an e-spec that had access to several low CD fields of varying sorts that I could leap through or blast.

    Shouts as they are now suck, but an e-spec could make them better with things like echos and arias from GW1.

    You can have your Justicar, but you'll get further with it if it played off of what Warrior can already do and make it more like the old Paragons from GW1 than the Guardians in GW2.

    But that's the same as saying Dragon Hunter is Ranger since it added Longbow and Traps theme wise so it shouldn't be done?
    Guardian Dragon Hunter is similar theme but has its own identity. Same with Justicar Warrior and Guardian. Both may have support and defense themed heavy armor fighters, but they play differently. At the end of the day Justicar is still a Warrior with Warrior mechanics not virtues of Guardians.

    Shouts may not be best but I don't want a whole elite spec to do something Warrior already has. Elite specs suppose to change up the play of core classes and make them function differently. Good examples of this is Firebrand Guardian and Scourge Necromancer.

    Paragon concept was done with the Spellbreaker as their description mention that the Sunspears abandoned their spears for their broken spears tips which they use as daggers.

    Justicar Warrior is much different play style for core warrior in a unique spin on its Adrenaline system for support.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    Pistol / Pistol is more suited to a warrior support than any other weapons.
    Allows you to take a 'comander' like role, sending support to those around ect ect.
    Also its the only weapon warrior doesnt have, one handed ranged weapons. its in dire need of a 1 hand range weapon!

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Pistol / Pistol is more suited to a warrior support than any other weapons.
    Allows you to take a 'comander' like role, sending support to those around ect ect.
    Also its the only weapon warrior doesnt have, one handed ranged weapons. its in dire need of a 1 hand range weapon!

    I rather have dual pistol for a Bounty Hunter elite spec. Play a mid range damage and CC role more so than support. I want a adequate alternative option for endgame support on Warrior.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @RedShark.9548 said:
    Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

    Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @RedShark.9548 said:
    Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

    Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

    Lorewise, but not even close gameplaywise, and i prefer to get good gameplay over good lore

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Commenting just on the special mechanism because this is the only thing that this e-spec will really have to bear with.

    • 4 burst skills at once is powercreep, it's bound to create imbalance.
    • Warrior is balanced around the idea of spending it's adrenaline in a very specific manner, your idea totally break this balance.
    • Healing in an area for 10% of damage done with a weapon is not good design because it favor offensive stats over support stats.
    • None of your F skill can crit or deal damage, which put some burst traits at odd with these F skills. And necromancer already prove that making core traits behave differently for each e-spec is a bad idea.
  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2019

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

    Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

    Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

    again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

    It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

    Read through guardian then read your op

    explain it. You keep saying but doing no explaining.

    I don’t need to explain anything when you can just read the information provided on the wiki.

    Yeah you do. This is a Discussion forum. You explain the stuff you say.

    Why should I explain when there is resource material you can read? The wiki explains it all

    as I said before. This is a Discussion forum. Thats why

    And my discussion is guiding you to actually read the wiki about guardian so you get it...

    Are you new to the game or something?

  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @RedShark.9548 said:
    Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

    Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

    They're really not. The Order of Sunspears had a lot of Paragons and was one of the main centers of Paragon training, but Paragons weren't all or even most of the order. Joko banning spears was a symbolic gesture that wouldn't actually have directly affected most of the Sunspears, and Spellbreakers using daggers styled like Sunspear spearpoints is equally symbolic. Nothing in the Spellbreaker skills or traits points to Paragon.

    Justiciar, on the other hand, was a title of rank among the White Mantle, usually held by Warriors (Justiciar Agatha in Lake Doric being one exception). There's nothing to indicate that they're support-oriented in this fashion, and I don't think the Pact Commander would want to be associated with that legacy.

  • Lan Deathrider.5910Lan Deathrider.5910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @draxynnic.3719 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @RedShark.9548 said:
    Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

    Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

    They're really not. The Order of Sunspears had a lot of Paragons and was one of the main centers of Paragon training, but Paragons weren't all or even most of the order. Joko banning spears was a symbolic gesture that wouldn't actually have directly affected most of the Sunspears, and Spellbreakers using daggers styled like Sunspear spearpoints is equally symbolic. Nothing in the Spellbreaker skills or traits points to Paragon.

    Justiciar, on the other hand, was a title of rank among the White Mantle, usually held by Warriors (Justiciar Agatha in Lake Doric being one exception). There's nothing to indicate that they're support-oriented in this fashion, and I don't think the Pact Commander would want to be associated with that legacy.

    ^ This. We can get Paragon. Warrior has shouts that could use augmenting through bringing back echos, arias, and finales from GW1. Think something like when you use a shot an echo affects the recipients where after a few seconds another effect happens, like buffs or healing. Finales would shout like effects that cause the next attack by the recipients do XYZ effects like inflicting burning. Aria's would be a new utility that count as a shout but would have a longer cast time with effects throughout the channel time. Weapon would have to be a staff that gets thrown like a javelin.

    A Defense Tactics Paragon would be IMBA... mmmmm IMBAGon…

  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @draxynnic.3719 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @RedShark.9548 said:
    Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

    Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

    They're really not. The Order of Sunspears had a lot of Paragons and was one of the main centers of Paragon training, but Paragons weren't all or even most of the order. Joko banning spears was a symbolic gesture that wouldn't actually have directly affected most of the Sunspears, and Spellbreakers using daggers styled like Sunspear spearpoints is equally symbolic. Nothing in the Spellbreaker skills or traits points to Paragon.

    Justiciar, on the other hand, was a title of rank among the White Mantle, usually held by Warriors (Justiciar Agatha in Lake Doric being one exception). There's nothing to indicate that they're support-oriented in this fashion, and I don't think the Pact Commander would want to be associated with that legacy.

    ^ This. We can get Paragon. Warrior has shouts that could use augmenting through bringing back echos, arias, and finales from GW1. Think something like when you use a shot an echo affects the recipients where after a few seconds another effect happens, like buffs or healing. Finales would shout like effects that cause the next attack by the recipients do XYZ effects like inflicting burning. Aria's would be a new utility that count as a shout but would have a longer cast time with effects throughout the channel time. Weapon would have to be a staff that gets thrown like a javelin.

    A Defense Tactics Paragon would be IMBA... mmmmm IMBAGon…

    Could be interesting if, instead of a straight Paragon, it was something that combined the Elonian paragon with something else.

    For instance, we're now moving into the Blood Legion homelands. Could be interesting if, with some of the interaction between the Pact and the Sunspears, there are charr who return to charr territory with leadership and motivational techniques learned from Sunspear Paragons, which is applied with a more modern charr flavour into the training for Legionnaires and other officers. The concept of a one-handed ranged weapon, allowing the wielder to support from a distance while still using a warhorn or shield in the other hand, could then be fulfilled by a pistol.

  • I would not mind pistol on a Paragon. Although if we get pistol it should be pistol/pistol not a single pistol. The mainhand pistol would have to stand alone as a support role, while OH pistol could fill another roll, like CC, or provide some extra fields like smoke fields.

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    Not necessarily. There are already a few warrior offhands that can work with a mainhand pistol, especially if it has skills that make it suitable for a more 'skirmishing' playstyle rather than just sitting at maximum range. I'd be inclined to think that the archetype of such an elite specialisation should be using pistol/warhorn rather than pistol/pistol.

  • @draxynnic.3719 said:
    Not necessarily. There are already a few warrior offhands that can work with a mainhand pistol, especially if it has skills that make it suitable for a more 'skirmishing' playstyle rather than just sitting at maximum range. I'd be inclined to think that the archetype of such an elite specialisation should be using pistol/warhorn rather than pistol/pistol.

    I would think either would work depending on the pistol OH skills. Nothing keeping a Pistol/Pistol + Pistol/Warhorn build from happening other than Anet.