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My Dream Kit Patch [FUN]

Cirian.8917Cirian.8917 Member ✭✭
edited August 26, 2019 in Engineer

INTRODUCTION

Hi gang! I'm a big fan of the evolution of the Med Kit. From humble beginnings it's become a unique and powerful option. Most importantly, fun. The recent Scrapper patch completely wrecked the way I played with the Med Kit so I took another look at the other kits to find more fun. Unfortunately they haven't really evolved much, have they? I sat down and had a good think.

Okay, so what's wrong with the old kits? Well for a start, they don't have very good stat purity with the exception of the Med Kit. With the Med Kit, you take healing power and you're good to go. Because barrier scales off healing power, I really enjoyed the barrier abilities scrappers used to have and I'd play medic bot at bounties. But which kit do you take if you want to compliment your condition pistols, or your power rifle? This is where kits get messy, because they tend to have skills that are all over the place with their stat requirement.

This is what has lead engineer players to "piano style", where you'd use one or two skills per kit and cycle through an ungodly rotation. Some would say, rather generously, that this is "skilful". It requires developing muscle memory and dexterity to yield the damage output of what should be a single weapon by spreading skills all over the place. Some would say then, rather more bluntly, that this is a god awful user experience! I'm in the latter camp. The Med Kit is a good example of design iteration and stat purity that should, quite frankly, be applied to the other kits. So, I had a go at that. (Edited for formatting.)

First I'm going to split our kits into two groups.

"Area Kits" - 3 kits: grenades, bombs, mortars.

"Assault Kits" - 3 kits: flame thrower, elixir gun, tool kit.

AREA KITS

Okay, so engineers have three kits that we can designate "area kits", and we can say these are meant to compliment the more single target base weapons such as the pistol and rifle, or give a ranged area option to the base melee weapons of the sword and hammer. These area kits are grenades, bombs, and mortars.

I'm going to designate a focus for each kit that feels like it fits their theme.

Grenades: Damage Conditions.

Bombs: Power Damage.

Mortars: Blast Finishers and Combo Fields.

With that done I'll go over each kit with their rough skills.

GRENADES

Grenades will roughly follow the pistols. Granting an area version of each pistol skill, grenades should be inferior against a single foe, but better against many.

The damage type is conditions.

1) Shrapnel Grenade - inflicts bleeding. Auto attack.

  • Notes: this needs to fire continually while holding the attack button, like the mortar kit already does. Button mash is unhealthy for a player's body. Fix it.

2) Toxic Gas Grenade - inflicts poison, and confusion. 8s cooldown.

  • Notes: inspired by the Toxic Alliance, this stuff is both poisonous and hallucinogenic!

3) Concussion Grenade - inflicts blind, confusion, and daze. 16s cooldown.

  • Notes: this is the defensive grenade with a short daze for interrupts, and a confusion damage component.

4) Incendiary Grenade - inflicts burning, fear, and torment. 16s cooldown.

  • Notes: "Running makes the flames burn brighter." ~1s fear, 4s burning, 4s torment. Signature grenade. Short fear for another interrupt and because it's hilarious with torment. Bonus for being on fire. While not intended to do horrific amounts of damage, it is intended to be a powerful pressure option.

5) Sticky Grenade - inflicts cripple and immobilise. 16s cooldown.

  • Notes: much like the pistol's glue shot, it's the area lockdown option.

F) Shrapnel Barrage - 6 Shrapnel Grenades around your feet in a circle. Fall trait copies this.

BOMBS

Bombs are going to be the "hammer kit" of the engineer. Raw power damage, armour penetration, and crowd control are the order of the day.

The damage type is power.

1) Battle Bomb - wide area damage. Auto attack.

  • Notes: 300 or 360 radius, no special effects and only moderate damage. Should be worse vs a single target than a melee weapon, whilst being pretty amazing against groups.

2) Cluster Bomb - area damage, then more area damage bomblets. 4s cooldown.

  • Notes: Explodes, causing damage, and spraying 6 bomblets. Bomblets explode on landing with a smaller radius. Some decent spike damage potential.

3) Acid Bomb - area power damage over time, and vulnerability. 8s cooldown.

  • Notes: This has been stolen from the elixir gun and now applies vulnerability on every pulse as it melts through armour. No blast finisher. Does not move the player. Used to soften large targets, such as champions.

4) What The Bomb - creates a rift in space. After a 1s delay, enemies are pulled together. Does no damage. 30s cooldown.

  • Notes: aka the Vortex Bomb, used to pull enemies into a cluster before doing bad things to them. There must be a tell.

5) Gravity Bomb - creates a shockwave of immediate area damage. After a 1s delay, enemies are damaged again and knocked down. 30s cooldown.

  • Notes: the hard CC option, much like a hammer knockdown. Inspired by Karka Stomp. Can be chained after What The Bomb / Vortex Bomb to pin clusters of enemies and break CC bars.

F) Big Ol' Bomb - no change. Area damage, and blowout.

MORTARS

The elite Mortar kit will focus on blast finishing in combo fields for various group utility effects. The fields themselves will be useful on their own to a lesser degree. Skills are going to have a "fire and ice" theme, with a focus on smoke, fire, ice, and water fields. Stealth and healing for small groups should be especially exciting in a variety of game formats.

1) Mortar Shell - area damage and blast finisher. Auto attack.

  • Notes: the rate of fire should be about 1 per second, slightly slower than current. It should be able to blast mortar fields three times per field.

2) Fire Shell - Burns enemies on landing and every 2s after, for 3 burns total. Blasts for area might. Lasts 4s. 8s cooldown.

3) Smoke Shell - Blinds enemies on landing and every 2s after, for 3 blinds total. Blasts for area stealth. Lasts 4s. 30s cooldown.

4) Ice Shell - Chills enemies on landing and every 2s after, for 3 chills total. Blasts for area frost aura. Lasts 4s. 16s cooldown.

5) Water Shell - Cures a condition on landing and every 2s after, for 3 cures total. Blasts for area healing. Lasts 4s. 30s cooldown.

F) Orbital Strike - A targeting laser paints the ground. After 2s, a pulsing blast finisher causes heavy damage to the targetted area and repeatedly blasts combo fields. Pulses twice per second for 2s, for 4 pulses total. 60s cooldown.

  • Notes: based on "Ray of Judgement" from Guild Wars, with added blast finisher goodness. If you're going to have an elite, it had better be good.

ASSAULT KITS

So, the assault kits have a themes combining frontal cones with other short range effects. The tool kit is a melee option that could be a fun tanking kit. The flamer in particular has some very old technology in it that I'm surprised hasn't been updated with the Heart of Thorns technology advancements, so let's have a go at that now.

FLAME THROWER

The flamer is a hybrid weapon split between power and condition damage. However, the current form has a poor auto attack for condition damage. Utility effects also needs a little love. Nothing too radical to change with this kit, although you might find some changes rather juicy.

1) Flamethrower - 4 pulses of damage, inflicting 1s of burning on each hit. Auto attack.

  • Notes: the current version inflicts 10 strikes, with 4s of burning on the final strike. That means if you dodge after the 9th strike, you don't inflict burning. This is despite the fact that you're literally wielding a flame thrower. That's stupid! This change means you inflict burning with every strike, and the 4 seconds are spread over 4 separate strikes.

  • Reducing the number of strikes down from 10 to 4 also diminishes the engineer's ability to swiftly kill themselves on retaliation, what with the 50 possible retaliation procs per auto attack. That was also pretty stupid, especially in the Mad King's labyrinth where Lich retaliation could do ~900+ damage per proc, for about 23,000 DPS of reflected retaliation damage. That was enough to kill you around 3 times over per auto attack.

2) Napalm Blast - no change.

  • Notes: this is your staple blast finisher, used for blasting might and stealth. It also inflicts a spike of damage and burning.

3) Air Blast - add a "swirling winds" visual effect for the invisible reflection bubble that surrounds the engineer.

  • Notes: did you know it reflects projectiles fired at your back? Well, you do now.

4) Flame Wall - replace area with Heart of Thorns technology. See notes.

  • Notes: the current version is a clone of the Elementalist's fire focus skill, which never made any visual sense on the engineer anyway. This area of effect can be replaced with the style used by Revenant's mace skill, Searing Fissure. This rolling out of a flaming area not only makes more sense visually, but it's much easier to blast for might with skill #2.

5) Vent Smoke - create a smoke field for 2s, blinding foes on the first and final pulses. Blasts for area stealth. No change on cooldown.

  • Notes: this one was always a wasted opportunity for clutch stealth. The engineer can't backstab. Rather, they use stealth defensively.

F) Incendiary Ammo - Grants burning to every hit of the next attack skill. 20s cooldown.

  • Notes: Incendiary Ammo will proc on every hit of an engineer weapon or kit skill from slots 1-5. It will not activate on utility skills such as, for example, Shredder Gyro, nor from toolbelt skills such as Static Discharge, nor sigil procs or rune attacks such as Mad King's raven swarm. That would be silly.

ELIXIR GUN

Apparently this is quite good in PvP. However, its awful elsewhere besides a few heals and utilities. The auto attack is hopeless in PvE. Stat wise, it's the most schizophrenic kit imaginable, requiring power for acid bomb, condition damage for the bleed and poison, healing power for the super elixir, and perhaps concentration for the boons.

Seeing as this thing fires liquids, it would make most sense to concentrate on healing, boons, and conditions. It also needs an auto attack that can take on multiple foes at short range. Let's begin!

1) Nerve Agent - Elixir. Spray a cone of elixir fumes, inflicting poison and vulnerability on foes with every strike. 4 strikes.

  • Notes: a poisonous version of the Flame Thrower's auto attack, with more emphasis on condition damage and healing denial.

2) Nightmare Fuel - Elixir. Spray a cone of elixir fumes, inflicting confusion and torment on foes with every strike. 4 strikes. 8s cooldown.

  • Notes: a more potent version of the auto attack with different conditions. Bonus points for adding the Toxic Alliance's visual effects.

3) Cleansing Mist - Elixir. Spray a cone of elixir fumes, cleansing conditions on allies with every strike. Also cleanses the engineer. 2 strikes. 12s cooldown.

  • Notes: the old "Fumigate" skill has been split into the auto attack, and this cleansing skill. This version is also a self-cleanse.

4) Red Mist - Elixir. Spray a cone of elixir fumes, granting 4s of fury, 12s of might and 4s of regeneration to allies with every strike. Also buffs the engineer. 3 strikes. 16s cooldown.

  • Notes: a buff skill with a great name. Use it to turn your allies into rage machines.

5) Super Elixir - Elixir. No changes.

  • Notes: it's already great.

F) Healing Mist - Elixir. 30s cooldown.

  • Notes: it's already great. The cooldown was too long. HGH will trait 30s down to 24s and Tools will take it a little lower than that, which is fine.

Trait notes: I'd change HGH's might down from 15s to 12s. Partly this is to give it the same might duration as Red Mist, but also because it has more skills to proc from. HGH is now granting might from Cleansing Mist and Red Mist, in addition to previous elixirs.

TOOL KIT

The underwater version of this kit is slightly better than the land version, and not just because of the Box of Piranhas, coolest named skill in the game. With the hammer being more offensive, with advancing attacks, I decided to give the Tool Kit a more defensive flavour with a tankish fighting style. Damage output is modest, while CC output is quite high. The "Power Wrench" trait makes the CC especially potent. This kit's damage type is power.

NB: if the engineer has a shield equipped, it should appear in their offhand. If not, they should be equipped with the Gear Shield.

1) Auto chain. Uses the underwater version, with evade on the 3rd attack.

  • Notes: an identical tanking auto chain as Ranger's greatsword, but with a more one-vs-few style than a one-vs-many.

2) Box of Bees - micro "Bee" gyros envelop the engineer for 3s, dazing foes for 1/4s after 1s and 3s. 180 radius. 12s cooldown.

  • Notes: Meme skill. Use it to annoy foes swarming the engineer. The old conditions have been removed.

3) Pry Bar - smack a foe for heavy damage and stun them for 2s. 18s cooldown.

  • Notes: used to disable your main target for an extended time. The old conditions have been removed.

4) Gear Shield - no functional changes. 18s cooldown.

  • Notes: unlike the rhythmic evade in the auto chain, this is your "defense on demand".

5) Magnet - no functional changes. 18s cooldown.

  • Notes: used to pull a foe to you.

F) Throw Wrench - Throw a wrench that returns to you, taunting foes it hits for 3s. Can only apply taunt once per foe. 18s cooldown.

  • Notes: this is your new aggro magnet.

Trait notes: "Power Wrench" is an especially strong cooldown trait, at 33%. BoB reduces to 8s, and the rest down to 12s.

CONCLUSION

I don't expect any of this to actually happen, but if I've entertained you a little then I consider this a complete win!

Comments

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2019

    @Cirian.8917 said:
    The recent Scrapper patch completely wrecked the way I played with the Med Kit

    Uhm, what? The scrapper changes did nothing to the medkit. In fact the medkit based healbot scrapper spec is the only one that wasnt really impacted by the changes. Its still meta in WvW zergs.

    Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • rdigeri.7935rdigeri.7935 Member ✭✭✭

    Most of your ideas are good quality and i'd love to see them as well.

    If i had to nitpick, i'd say that maybe the bomb kit would have too much cc, and that the elixir gun skills should have distinct animations on 1-3, not just different colours.
    But yeah. These could bring new life to kits.

    Oh also, maybe Mortar kit could have ammunition on the autoattack. Let's say it had 3-4 charges, with 4-6 sec cd, but the cast time would be 0.5sec. This way you can unload those blast finishers into the field you want when you need it, but you can't spam it into everything.
    If it was also unblockable, that'd be just icing on the cake.

  • Samug.6512Samug.6512 Member ✭✭✭

    I like the changes. Nobody uses kits, they'r kept untouched by balance team for such a long time. I like the idea of powerful skills with a long CD on nade kit - this could bring a change to the usual 2-3-4-5-1-1-1-1-... spam.

    Core engineer should get a way to deal with Retaliation, like a minor trait in Inventions or sth, because it's a deal breaker when trying stuff like flame thrower or nade builds.

    [NUKE]

  • Matoro.9708Matoro.9708 Member ✭✭✭

    I like it man! A few I disagree with, since I must get the nitpicks out of the way: mortar auto should remain only projectile finishers. Blast is way too strong. And weakness should stay on elixir gun. Grenade 2 is fine without confusion. And grenade 5 should be new, pistol currently lacks a bit of identity already IMO. I know a lot of other professions have loaded skills, but I like clean, do 1 job skills, that are unique. A lot of those you did very well, and I totally agree with the sentiment kits should be consistently good for one stat setup with a cohesive theme. It's a beautiful thing to have a kit on hand for a whole situation, not step 5 in Mozart's largest concerto. Bomb kit feels the most improved by these changes, super clean and consistent. I love it, honestly. This is game design for a clean user experience in mind. Engineer remains a jack of all trades, but isn't accessing skills scattered randomly, you know for CC and AOE all you need is bomb kit.

    Also, tip, if you set up lock ground target and instant cast in your settings, all you have to do with mortar/grenade kit when in range is hold 1. No spam. Changes PvE forever. Useless for PvP since you always need to lead shots.

    I really enjoyed reading through this, thanks mate. Inspires me to make my own for turrets.

    Society either needs a turret rework or to free bobby schmurda and I wonder which comes first?

  • rdigeri.7935rdigeri.7935 Member ✭✭✭

    It's funny how Napalm (flamethrower4) has almost the same name as
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Throw_Napalm

    If they gave Napalm that field shape, it'd be 99% better already.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    blast finisher on mortar auto lol? no. also the poison field on mortar is one of the most useful due to its ability to inflict weakness with leaps and blasts.

    Te lazla otstra.
    nerf list

  • Hoodie.1045Hoodie.1045 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I like your ideas, but in order to improve core engineer is not just reworking the kit skills, but also some of the traits. If engineer's condition application were to be improved, a good start would be removing the RNG aspect of the Shrapnel trait in Explosives. Instead of having a 33% chance of applying cripple and bleeding on targets, how about removing the cripple entirely and make explosives apply bleeding by 100%?

    This would create a synergy with traits like Sanguine Arrays in Firearms and it would greatly improve core engineer's condition application. As for your proposed changes, here is my take on the grenade and bomb kit: make the throw velocity and radius from the grenadier trait baseline, make it increase the throw range from 900 to 1,200 and reduce grenade skill cooldowns by 20%. Bring back poison grenade's poison fields. Yes, poison grenade used to create poison fields. As for the bomb kit, the only change I would like to see is the return of the forceful explosives trait which increased the explosion radius of bombs.

    Karras

  • I like the ideas. Especially the aesthetic shield thing for the tool kit. Most of my nitpicks have been pointed out already so ill just say, thank you for the fun read!

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭

    Changes to grenades and bombs would break core engi. Those kits are the only weapons core engi has with an autoattack that isn't completely useless. Pistol auto is so unbelievable bad that you shouldn't even consider anything being worse than this. Even when taking the 50% increased condi duration trait.
    I like some of the suggested active skills though. Currently bombs, grenades and mortar are way too similar with having copied effects just with range or combo field.
    Grenade barrage should stay a ranged ability though. But lets be honest. Anet will never rework kits since its engineer after all and not mesmer or something.
    Also turrets being reworked is more important than kits at this point. While kits definetely need help turrets are mostly taken for toolbelt or first effect and then picked up, never for the actual turret doing stuff.
    They just need a phantasm level rework at this point. Kits are at least actively used in all pve builds.

  • Naxos.2503Naxos.2503 Member ✭✭✭

    @Nephalem.8921 said:
    Changes to grenades and bombs would break core engi. Those kits are the only weapons core engi has with an autoattack that isn't completely useless.

    Technically, Grenade 1 is not an auto, by virtue of being a ground target skill (one of my main gripe against it, in spite of me using it all the time)

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭

    @Naxos.2503 said:

    Technically, Grenade 1 is not an auto, by virtue of being a ground target skill (one of my main gripe against it, in spite of me using it all the time)

    You can just hold down the key and they will be fired on mouse curser if you have quick targeting enabled. You don't even have to aim them, when you enable the "snap ground target to target" option.

  • Naxos.2503Naxos.2503 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2019

    @Nephalem.8921 said:

    @Naxos.2503 said:

    Technically, Grenade 1 is not an auto, by virtue of being a ground target skill (one of my main gripe against it, in spite of me using it all the time)

    You can just hold down the key and they will be fired on mouse curser if you have quick targeting enabled. You don't even have to aim them, when you enable the "snap ground target to target" option.

    I did notice that, however, I also found out that some of those skills occasionally trigger at my feet, so if it's really the way we're meant to use this, fixing it so it no longer happen would definitely help

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭

    @Naxos.2503 said:
    I also found out that some of those skills occasionally trigger at my feet

    That happens if your curser is hovering above interface elements. They are always placed at your feet then then. Don't ask me why. It makes sense when you have normal ground targeting but makes absolutely no sense with snap to ground target. It's just how this spaghetti code works.

  • Cirian.8917Cirian.8917 Member ✭✭
    edited September 2, 2019

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Cirian.8917 said:
    The recent Scrapper patch completely wrecked the way I played with the Med Kit

    Uhm, what? The scrapper changes did nothing to the medkit. In fact the medkit based healbot scrapper spec is the only one that wasnt really impacted by the changes. Its still meta in WvW zergs.

    That's quite a surprise considering what the scrapper had deleted. I had ~4k Barrier on heal, deleted. ~1.3k Barrier when hit, deleted. Rapid Regeneration, which I used with 2x superspeed stun breaks on my F skills, a few thousand healing, deleted. Detection Pulse, deleted. -300 vitality, for me that was 3,300 health gone, 18.3k -> 15k.

    In the end I thought, well, I'd be better of with Tools, Inventions and Alchemy. Scrapper... it used to have this amazing barrier focus, and now... why not play Water Tempest again? Tempest is the god of healers, if you use action camera that is, it's just, that kind of all it does. Well okay, there's also chilled ground and awesome auras. I'm kinda hoping I don't need to explain why action camera transforms the Water Tempest, but just in case, it means you can ground target a 1,200 range 240 radius splash heal, that happens to be your auto attack. There's also... other things. It's ridiculous in WvW. The only thing it doesn't do is any damage whatsoever.

    Since templates have been announced (about time...), it'll become trivial to switch between godmode healer and godmode artillery on the Ele with (hopefully...) a single click. Fire Ele is also something that is amazing with action camera, because it means you can lob fireballs at an area of ground and kill with splash rather than targetting enemies directly. It's like, basic "FPS rocket launcher" style gameplay. You do the same on a Water Tempest, only this time, you're firing rockets of love to splash your allies with health.

    So in a nutshell, I'm at a loss what the scrapper is bringing anymore to make it genuinely worth taking*. Of course, that's why I wrote this!
    *edit: and then I looked at the metabattle build. Minstrel/Antitoxin cleanse beast. Fair enough! I can't run that in PvE though, I ran Marshal/Divinity. It used to be pretty solid with the barriers and healing, now though, ehhh... in open world I'm logging in on guardian, soulbeast, reaper and warrior to do hybrid DPS/support. I love flexible builds. I also play every class. I dunno, I just feel like I had something that worked well and I don't like the idea of an expensive gear rework.

    Incidentally, if anyone's looking to make that Mistrel WvW build on the cheap I can recommend crafting Lunatic Noble's armour as Minstrel's is now an option in the stat selector.

    @Matoro.9708 said:
    I like it man! A few I disagree with, since I must get the nitpicks out of the way: mortar auto should remain only projectile finishers. Blast is way too strong.
    @rdigeri.7935 said:
    Oh also, maybe Mortar kit could have ammunition on the autoattack. Let's say it had 3-4 charges, with 4-6 sec cd, but the cast time would be 0.5sec. This way you can unload those blast finishers into the field you want when you need it, but you can't spam it into everything.

    You guys both have the same concern do with blast finisher autos being strong. I'm adamant about the elite kit having a blast finisher auto though, it's what makes the kit elite. My thought was, the rate of fire can be slowed down by however much to balance it, but I really like the ammo idea too. It'd be easy to play around with the rate of fire, ammo count, and ammo reload time, to balance the thing.

  • rdigeri.7935rdigeri.7935 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cirian.8917 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Cirian.8917 said:
    The recent Scrapper patch completely wrecked the way I played with the Med Kit

    Uhm, what? The scrapper changes did nothing to the medkit. In fact the medkit based healbot scrapper spec is the only one that wasnt really impacted by the changes. Its still meta in WvW zergs.

    That's quite a surprise considering what the scrapper had deleted. I had ~4k Barrier on heal, deleted. ~1.3k Barrier when hit, deleted. Rapid Regeneration, which I used with 2x superspeed stun breaks on my F skills, a few thousand healing, deleted. Detection Pulse, deleted. -300 vitality, for me that was 3,300 health gone, 18.3k -> 15k.

    In the end I thought, well, I'd be better of with Tools, Inventions and Alchemy. Scrapper... it used to have this amazing barrier focus, and now... why not play Water Tempest again? Tempest is the god of healers, if you use action camera that is, it's just, that kind of all it does. Well okay, there's also chilled ground and awesome auras. I'm kinda hoping I don't need to explain why action camera transforms the Water Tempest, but just in case, it means you can ground target a 1,200 range 240 radius splash heal, that happens to be your auto attack. There's also... other things. It's ridiculous in WvW. The only thing it doesn't do is any damage whatsoever.

    Since templates have been announced (about time...), it'll become trivial to switch between godmode healer and godmode artillery on the Ele with (hopefully...) a single click. Fire Ele is also something that is amazing with action camera, because it means you can lob fireballs at an area of ground and kill with splash rather than targetting enemies directly. It's like, basic "FPS rocket launcher" style gameplay. You do the same on a Water Tempest, only this time, you're firing rockets of love to splash your allies with health.

    So in a nutshell, I'm at a loss what the scrapper is bringing anymore to make it genuinely worth taking*. Of course, that's why I wrote this!
    *edit: and then I looked at the metabattle build. Minstrel/Antitoxin cleanse beast. Fair enough! I can't run that in PvE though, I ran Marshal/Divinity. It used to be pretty solid with the barriers and healing, now though, ehhh... in open world I'm logging in on guardian, soulbeast, reaper and warrior to do hybrid DPS/support. I love flexible builds. I also play every class. I dunno, I just feel like I had something that worked well and I don't like the idea of an expensive gear rework.

    Incidentally, if anyone's looking to make that Mistrel WvW build on the cheap I can recommend crafting Lunatic Noble's armour as Minstrel's is now an option in the stat selector.

    @Matoro.9708 said:
    I like it man! A few I disagree with, since I must get the nitpicks out of the way: mortar auto should remain only projectile finishers. Blast is way too strong.
    @rdigeri.7935 said:
    Oh also, maybe Mortar kit could have ammunition on the autoattack. Let's say it had 3-4 charges, with 4-6 sec cd, but the cast time would be 0.5sec. This way you can unload those blast finishers into the field you want when you need it, but you can't spam it into everything.

    You guys both have the same concern do with blast finisher autos being strong. I'm adamant about the elite kit having a blast finisher auto though, it's what makes the kit elite. My thought was, the rate of fire can be slowed down by however much to balance it, but I really like the ammo idea too. It'd be easy to play around with the rate of fire, ammo count, and ammo reload time, to balance the thing.

    Possibly a stupid idea, but Mortar could also be a kit that no longer has combo fields, instead they have other skills; and the identity could be combo finishers+power damage.

    This way the engi'd need to stack up on other sources of combo fields if they wanna utilize those finishers.
    And the number of condi and power kits would be even.

    Just a thought.

  • Matoro.9708Matoro.9708 Member ✭✭✭

    Mortar as projectile finisher gets the nice simple damage buffs when used in a combo field. When you shoot it into a smoke field on your enemy, who cares if you're getting an AoE stealth pulse that doesn't even help you if you're taking advantage of the range? The F5 has a blast finisher, and I would put 20% chance blast finisher on bomb kit auto instead.

    Society either needs a turret rework or to free bobby schmurda and I wonder which comes first?

  • rdigeri.7935rdigeri.7935 Member ✭✭✭

    @Matoro.9708 said:
    Mortar as projectile finisher gets the nice simple damage buffs when used in a combo field. When you shoot it into a smoke field on your enemy, who cares if you're getting an AoE stealth pulse that doesn't even help you if you're taking advantage of the range? The F5 has a blast finisher, and I would put 20% chance blast finisher on bomb kit auto instead.

    I'm not a fan of chance based stuff. So much better when you can rely on your tools to do what they do.

    And well, you can shoot it into water field, that's pretty useful.

    You can stealth when you're not firing at enemies.

    Cluster Bomb on thief works pretty similar and yet it's fine

  • @rdigeri.7935 said:

    @Matoro.9708 said:
    Mortar as projectile finisher gets the nice simple damage buffs when used in a combo field. When you shoot it into a smoke field on your enemy, who cares if you're getting an AoE stealth pulse that doesn't even help you if you're taking advantage of the range? The F5 has a blast finisher, and I would put 20% chance blast finisher on bomb kit auto instead.

    I'm not a fan of chance based stuff. So much better when you can rely on your tools to do what they do.

    And well, you can shoot it into water field, that's pretty useful.

    You can stealth when you're not firing at enemies.

    Cluster Bomb on thief works pretty similar and yet it's fine

    Exactly. A thief can Cluster Bomb into a field a bunch of times until their initiative is exhausted, which in a way, feels a bit like the ammo idea. The classic D/P+Shortbow thief could pistol #5, weapon switch, blast stealth a few times to hide a group of allies, and away they go. The mortar is an elite kit, so the idea of a kit with a blast finisher auto and 4 fields to choose from is a tidy package.

    The 1,500 range means you can aid allies with combos at a distance. At least when the game came out, being combo-heavy felt really "engineer". It suits them.

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