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  • Dragons are sentient creatures and I wonder what is the purpose of starting a war that you know you will lose?
    Aurene and the pact have enough strength to eliminate any dragon, I hope for a story that introduces something new :)

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2019

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Dragons are sentient creatures and I wonder what is the purpose of starting a war that you know you will lose?
    Aurene and the pact have enough strength to eliminate any dragon, I hope for a story that introduces something new :)

    The point is Jormag cannot be killed. There's no dragon to replace it.

    So this all needs to be dealt with without actually killing Jormag.

  • Kalavier.1097Kalavier.1097 Member ✭✭✭

    @Valmir.4590 said:

    @Aaron Ansari.1604 said:

    @Kalavier.1097 said:

    Where did that come from? I tried searching on youtube but found nothing yet.

    If you're still looking, it was at the very end of the stream. Handy link!

    Well, I'll be damned, but I didn't expect bangar to look and sound so... not brutally cartoonish. He's a lot more suave than what I expected.

    I know right? People compare him to Scar somewhat, but I was interested because he's kinda charismatic. Hardly the raging brute that was once implied of him.

  • Which is really great in my book. If ANet play it right, we could get an excellent antagonist/villain who doesn't have crazy powers or anything, just a viewpoint on life so different from us that we can't live together, and that one has to give up.

  • @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Dragons are sentient creatures and I wonder what is the purpose of starting a war that you know you will lose?
    Aurene and the pact have enough strength to eliminate any dragon, I hope for a story that introduces something new :)

    The point is Jormag cannot be killed. There's no dragon to replace it.

    So this all needs to be dealt with without actually killing Jormag.

    So I hope in a different story and not 5-6 episodes to look for a new catalyst for the power of the dragon XD

    Braham was determined to shoot down the dragon after enchanting Eir's LB, who knows if anything has changed since the last episode.

  • @hugo.4705 said:
    I'm more scarred of Deep Sea Dragon, the dialogue establishing that its minions are that big they can't fit within crucible of eternity aquarium intrigues me. If the minions are big, the dragon would be bigger. (I suppose), the Jormag representation in bitterfrost frontier can hint its size if respected. My guess is that Jormag has the size of that map. So a little bigger than zhaithan but still "small".


    (Yeah I assume that deep sea dragon is a turtle, seeing the vision of the all, it's either big quaggan or turtle)

    You do know that the dragon head you attributed to Jormag's just a statue of a Claw of Jormag, right? :P

    Though I imagine you do have the size accurate. Based on his tooth, Jormag must be about Kralk's size, maybe a bit smaller.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Dragons are sentient creatures and I wonder what is the purpose of starting a war that you know you will lose?
    Aurene and the pact have enough strength to eliminate any dragon, I hope for a story that introduces something new :)

    So far every ED plot has been different:

    • Zhaitan: "Unite the races to face the dragon."
    • Mordremoth: "The unification has broken, but we must still face the dragon."
    • Balthazar (Primordus/Jormag/Kralkatorrik): "If we kill a dragon, the world dies."
    • Kralkatorrik: "We must train our replacement dragon, so that we may face the dragon."
    • Jormag: "The dragon faces us, but we cannot kill it without a replacement or the world dies."

    Last one's just my guess for how they're going with Jormag in the most general of senses.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    • Jormag: "The dragon faces us, but we cannot kill it without a replacement or the world dies."

    Last one's just my guess for how they're going with Jormag in the most general of senses.

    This presuming Anet doesn't just go "Aurene is the prismatic dragon, which gives her the ability to mold all the dragon powers within her without going crazy/blowing up!"

  • @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    • Jormag: "The dragon faces us, but we cannot kill it without a replacement or the world dies."

    Last one's just my guess for how they're going with Jormag in the most general of senses.

    This presuming Anet doesn't just go "Aurene is the prismatic dragon, which gives her the ability to mold all the dragon powers within her without going crazy/blowing up!"

    While I am concerned about that given the magazine having Gorrik use the "Prismatic Elder Dragon" phrase that's been used by the fanbase on wild "Elder Dragon of all magical domains" - either as what Aurene will be, what the last ED alive would be, or of some fabricated "mega Elder Dragon" that's above the six Elder Dragons - the magazine also makes mention of this about the Icebrood Saga:

    We learned that the Elder Dragons - or at least the roles they play in the magical ecosystem - are essential to the long-term survival of life on Tyria. Unless replacements for the remaining Elder Dragons are found, no more can be killed.
    [...]
    They helped her bring Kralkatorrik down out of the sky and ended his life so Aurene could absorb his magic and take his place in the pantheon as the Elder Dragon of Light.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/guildwars2.com_uploads/livingworldmagazine/icebroodsaga_magazine_EN/5-6/index.html

    Though I doubt they'd scrutinize that little side project of theirs, the summary of "the story so far and what's to come" has painted the picture that we do indeed need multiple replacements, and that Aurene only replaces Kralkatorrik despite having a hefty amount of Zhaitan and Mordremoth (esp. Mordremoth) magic in her.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Though I doubt they'd scrutinize that little side project of theirs, the summary of "the story so far and what's to come" has painted the picture that we do indeed need multiple replacements, and that Aurene only replaces Kralkatorrik despite having a hefty amount of Zhaitan and Mordremoth (esp. Mordremoth) magic in her.

    I still say we should get some big old magical conduits, jam them in the Pale Tree, and see if she can harness some of the draconic energy.

    Out of all the things we have encountered in GW2 thus far, she's the most obvious choice to replace Mordremoth, or any of the dragons really.

  • @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Though I doubt they'd scrutinize that little side project of theirs, the summary of "the story so far and what's to come" has painted the picture that we do indeed need multiple replacements, and that Aurene only replaces Kralkatorrik despite having a hefty amount of Zhaitan and Mordremoth (esp. Mordremoth) magic in her.

    I still say we should get some big old magical conduits, jam them in the Pale Tree, and see if she can harness some of the draconic energy.

    Out of all the things we have encountered in GW2 thus far, she's the most obvious choice to replace Mordremoth, or any of the dragons really.

    The thing that made Glint, Aurene, and Vlast special is they were related to Kralkatorrik directly. Glint was his daughter. Vlast and Aurene were his grandchildren. We don't really know where the Pale Tree stands in relation to Mordremoth.

    If the Pale Tree were the literal offspring of Mordremoth we'd have something to work with. If shes merely a purified Blighting Tree, we need to look elsewhere.

  • Tanith.5264Tanith.5264 Member ✭✭✭

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    If the Pale Tree were the literal offspring of Mordremoth we'd have something to work with. If shes merely a purified Blighting Tree, we need to look elsewhere.

    Last time I checked she was still collapsed in a heap on her chamber floor, so who knows? :)

  • @Tanith.5264 said:

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    If the Pale Tree were the literal offspring of Mordremoth we'd have something to work with. If shes merely a purified Blighting Tree, we need to look elsewhere.

    Last time I checked she was still collapsed in a heap on her chamber floor, so who knows? :)

    She gets better at the end of Knight of the Thorn.

    That said, I'm fairly sure she's been confirmed as a purified blighting tree, and the Tangled Depths meta confirms blighting trees as the gargantuan maguuma trees (most likely stonewood trees) being corrupted.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Tanith.5264 said:

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    If the Pale Tree were the literal offspring of Mordremoth we'd have something to work with. If shes merely a purified Blighting Tree, we need to look elsewhere.

    Last time I checked she was still collapsed in a heap on her chamber floor, so who knows? :)

    She gets better at the end of Knight of the Thorn.

    That said, I'm fairly sure she's been confirmed as a purified blighting tree, and the Tangled Depths meta confirms blighting trees as the gargantuan maguuma trees (most likely stonewood trees) being corrupted.

    It'd be nice to get some dev confirmation on that. It would pretty convenient to be able to replace Mordremoth with the Pale Tree and offer a new dimension to the sylvari in a new world. Avatars of a changing paradigm.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Tanith.5264 said:

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    If the Pale Tree were the literal offspring of Mordremoth we'd have something to work with. If shes merely a purified Blighting Tree, we need to look elsewhere.

    Last time I checked she was still collapsed in a heap on her chamber floor, so who knows? :)

    She gets better at the end of Knight of the Thorn.

    That said, I'm fairly sure she's been confirmed as a purified blighting tree, and the Tangled Depths meta confirms blighting trees as the gargantuan maguuma trees (most likely stonewood trees) being corrupted.

    It'd be nice to get some dev confirmation on that. It would pretty convenient to be able to replace Mordremoth with the Pale Tree and offer a new dimension to the sylvari in a new world. Avatars of a changing paradigm.

    Maybe it would be another Aurene instead -- that is, instead of the PT growing something based on humans, grow something based on Aurene as a template, to become a baby jungle dragon? Would give the Exalted something to do, anyway.

  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2019

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Tanith.5264 said:

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    If the Pale Tree were the literal offspring of Mordremoth we'd have something to work with. If shes merely a purified Blighting Tree, we need to look elsewhere.

    Last time I checked she was still collapsed in a heap on her chamber floor, so who knows? :)

    She gets better at the end of Knight of the Thorn.

    That said, I'm fairly sure she's been confirmed as a purified blighting tree, and the Tangled Depths meta confirms blighting trees as the gargantuan maguuma trees (most likely stonewood trees) being corrupted.

    It'd be nice to get some dev confirmation on that. It would pretty convenient to be able to replace Mordremoth with the Pale Tree and offer a new dimension to the sylvari in a new world. Avatars of a changing paradigm.

    Maybe it would be another Aurene instead -- that is, instead of the PT growing something based on humans, grow something based on Aurene as a template, to become a baby jungle dragon? Would give the Exalted something to do, anyway.

    I was thinking it'd be the PT herself, big tree in Caledon Forest. Maybe she'd develop a smaller serpentine dragon of herself not too dissimilar from the Mouth of Mordremoth that'd eventually wrap around the PT and she'd slowly take over the vacant "body" that Mordremoth left behind which is the entire Maguuma more or less.

  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2019

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    • Jormag: "The dragon faces us, but we cannot kill it without a replacement or the world dies."

    Last one's just my guess for how they're going with Jormag in the most general of senses.

    This presuming Anet doesn't just go "Aurene is the prismatic dragon, which gives her the ability to mold all the dragon powers within her without going crazy/blowing up!"

    While I am concerned about that given the magazine having Gorrik use the "Prismatic Elder Dragon" phrase that's been used by the fanbase on wild "Elder Dragon of all magical domains" - either as what Aurene will be, what the last ED alive would be, or of some fabricated "mega Elder Dragon" that's above the six Elder Dragons - the magazine also makes mention of this about the Icebrood Saga:

    We learned that the Elder Dragons - or at least the roles they play in the magical ecosystem - are essential to the long-term survival of life on Tyria. Unless replacements for the remaining Elder Dragons are found, no more can be killed.
    [...]
    They helped her bring Kralkatorrik down out of the sky and ended his life so Aurene could absorb his magic and take his place in the pantheon as the Elder Dragon of Light.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/guildwars2.com_uploads/livingworldmagazine/icebroodsaga_magazine_EN/5-6/index.html

    Though I doubt they'd scrutinize that little side project of theirs, the summary of "the story so far and what's to come" has painted the picture that we do indeed need multiple replacements, and that Aurene only replaces Kralkatorrik despite having a hefty amount of Zhaitan and Mordremoth (esp. Mordremoth) magic in her.

    Wait is that the name for the second domain? So Crystal and Light? I guess that explains how the sun aspect got lumped in with air magic, paragons accessed lighting and fire, and the guardian naturally developed. I presume Light contains anything the sun could produce; light, fire, weather, etc.

  • @Daniel Handler.4816 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    • Jormag: "The dragon faces us, but we cannot kill it without a replacement or the world dies."

    Last one's just my guess for how they're going with Jormag in the most general of senses.

    This presuming Anet doesn't just go "Aurene is the prismatic dragon, which gives her the ability to mold all the dragon powers within her without going crazy/blowing up!"

    While I am concerned about that given the magazine having Gorrik use the "Prismatic Elder Dragon" phrase that's been used by the fanbase on wild "Elder Dragon of all magical domains" - either as what Aurene will be, what the last ED alive would be, or of some fabricated "mega Elder Dragon" that's above the six Elder Dragons - the magazine also makes mention of this about the Icebrood Saga:

    We learned that the Elder Dragons - or at least the roles they play in the magical ecosystem - are essential to the long-term survival of life on Tyria. Unless replacements for the remaining Elder Dragons are found, no more can be killed.
    [...]
    They helped her bring Kralkatorrik down out of the sky and ended his life so Aurene could absorb his magic and take his place in the pantheon as the Elder Dragon of Light.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/guildwars2.com_uploads/livingworldmagazine/icebroodsaga_magazine_EN/5-6/index.html

    Though I doubt they'd scrutinize that little side project of theirs, the summary of "the story so far and what's to come" has painted the picture that we do indeed need multiple replacements, and that Aurene only replaces Kralkatorrik despite having a hefty amount of Zhaitan and Mordremoth (esp. Mordremoth) magic in her.

    Wait is that the name for the second domain? So Crystal and Light? I guess that explains how the sun aspect got lumped in with air magic, paragons accessed lighting and fire, and the guardian naturally developed. I presume Light contains anything the sun could produce; light, fire, weather, etc.

    No. Kralkatorrik's second domain according to the magazine is "Fury".

    Aurene is called solely "Elder Dragon of Light" (or "Prismatic Elder Dragon" as an alternative). She's not called the Elder Crystal Dragon. It's a bit weird, tbh, and gives the implication (to me) that she's an "Elder Dragon of all magical domains."

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  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2019

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    • Jormag: "The dragon faces us, but we cannot kill it without a replacement or the world dies."

    Last one's just my guess for how they're going with Jormag in the most general of senses.

    This presuming Anet doesn't just go "Aurene is the prismatic dragon, which gives her the ability to mold all the dragon powers within her without going crazy/blowing up!"

    While I am concerned about that given the magazine having Gorrik use the "Prismatic Elder Dragon" phrase that's been used by the fanbase on wild "Elder Dragon of all magical domains" - either as what Aurene will be, what the last ED alive would be, or of some fabricated "mega Elder Dragon" that's above the six Elder Dragons - the magazine also makes mention of this about the Icebrood Saga:

    We learned that the Elder Dragons - or at least the roles they play in the magical ecosystem - are essential to the long-term survival of life on Tyria. Unless replacements for the remaining Elder Dragons are found, no more can be killed.
    [...]
    They helped her bring Kralkatorrik down out of the sky and ended his life so Aurene could absorb his magic and take his place in the pantheon as the Elder Dragon of Light.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/guildwars2.com_uploads/livingworldmagazine/icebroodsaga_magazine_EN/5-6/index.html

    Though I doubt they'd scrutinize that little side project of theirs, the summary of "the story so far and what's to come" has painted the picture that we do indeed need multiple replacements, and that Aurene only replaces Kralkatorrik despite having a hefty amount of Zhaitan and Mordremoth (esp. Mordremoth) magic in her.

    Wait is that the name for the second domain? So Crystal and Light? I guess that explains how the sun aspect got lumped in with air magic, paragons accessed lighting and fire, and the guardian naturally developed. I presume Light contains anything the sun could produce; light, fire, weather, etc.

    No. Kralkatorrik's second domain according to the magazine is "Fury".

    Aurene is called solely "Elder Dragon of Light" (or "Prismatic Elder Dragon" as an alternative). She's not called the Elder Crystal Dragon. It's a bit weird, tbh, and gives the implication (to me) that she's an "Elder Dragon of all magical domains."

    So I can't tell whether they are retconning or reinvoking the magic is like light idea. Conflagration/persuasion/fury fulfill the concept of a spectrum better than the previous spheres, which seemed to be oriented around specific substances. But they don't mesh well with the idea of magic canceling out. Why would conflagration be distinct enough from fire to not be canceled by ice? Why does the sun fall under fury? They seem to be random enough to avoid having their interactions be comprehensible enough to affect the story.

    The best I can parse is this is a partial reference. Magic is like light. So when domains are mixed beyond the point they can be concretely described the default is to call them light. Perhaps that point is when you have more than two spheres.

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