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Charr Players: How does your character feel about the alliance with Flame Legion?

Weindrasi.3805Weindrasi.3805 Member ✭✭✭
edited September 10, 2019 in Lore

In the upcoming All Legions Meet in Grothmar Wardowns, Flame Legion will be participating. As a sign of good faith, they will be performing a ritual to get rid of the ghosts of Ascalon. It seems like there may be a permanent alliance between Flame Legion and the other legions. However, this is bound to present problems. There are centuries of hatred between Flame and the Allied Legions, as well as massive cultural differences. Namely, the Flame Legion worship of Gods and emphasis on magic; and the slave status of Flame women.
So, charr players. How do YOUR charr characters feel about a meet and alliance with Flame Legion ?

My characters...
Kione Abysmfall is a soldier in the Blood Legion, and her feelings are fairly standard--Flame Legion is disgusting, and she'd rather be smashing Shaman heads. She doesn't like or trust Flame, and she isn't going to hide the fact. HOWEVER, during her time in the Pact, she worked with my other character--an ex-Flame slave, Asynda. Depending on how everything works out, her grudging respect for Asynda may (or may not) temper her response.

Asynda, who is infertile, was the lowest of the low in Flame Legion--what good is a female that can't breed? However, she caught the eye of the Legionnaire who ran the breeding farm where she worked--and she lived as his personal slave for years. This gave her a level of comfort and security most females never knew, and the other slaves hated her for it. However, after Gaheron Baelfire and Asynda's Legionnaire were killed, she lost her security and was forced to flee for her life as Flame Legion shattered into warring splinter groups. She ended up working at a brothel in Lion's Arch, until being recruited by the Order of Whispers and dragged into the Pact's battle against the Dragons.
Asynda is still loyal to the Flame Legion, and she views the Allied Legions with disdain--although she has grudging respect for Kione. When she heard that Flame Legion would be attending the All Legions' Meet, she determined to go. Even though she has gained a taste for freedom, she misses her Legion and her people--and (much to Kione's revulsion) she is considering using the Meet to abandon the Pact and return to Flame.

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  • Brycar.2651Brycar.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    My female Charr is an elemental who hopes to reunite the Flame Legion to full honor.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I doubt it's possible lore wise.

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  • Weindrasi.3805Weindrasi.3805 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 10, 2019

    @Arden.7480 said:
    I doubt it's possible lore wise.

    You realize that's actually what's happening in the first release of The Icebrood Saga, right? https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/september-04-2019/
    From the page "The Main Events"
    "If you've never envisioned helping Flame Legion shamans channel powerful fire magic, at least it's for a good cause: bringing their sacred flame to an enormous effigy to perform a unifying ritual"
    "Members of the Flame legion are eager to prove themselves to their fellow charr. There's nothing like a little ghost banishing to bring people together, so join soldiers from all four legions on a trip to Doomlore Shrine."

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 10, 2019

    I mean..the female Charr i RP as wont like it. I dont really like it either, unless these flame legion charr are like Olmhakhan and trying to leave? Makes no sense, i highly doubt the other legions would -love- to go back to ye olden days, especially now given that Females have an equal standing(AKA: not just breeding slaves or playthings.). So im curious how they are going to go about doing this without destroying the lore theyve built for the flame legion.

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  • Telwyn.1630Telwyn.1630 Member ✭✭
    edited September 11, 2019

    MY Human character Tarwin suspects the Flame Legion may have a plan that somehow puts the wicked flame legion shamans somehow in charge of the Legions and that it be another bloody civil war among the charr and another war with the humans force to fight the charr again. MY female charr character Oganna Yimshi dose not like the Flame Legion or this meeting and suspects that they must have some sort of back up plan to take over the Legions again. Both Tarwin Steel my male human character and Oganna Yimshi my female charr character are both lovers in my lore story back grounds for them both, and both while they won't outright attack the shamans of flame Legion yet, they be ready for whatever flame Legion has got planned.

  • I doubt they are like the Olmhakhan, but if you review the recent Flame Legion lore it makes sense. Flame Legion was last united under Gaheron Baelfire. The Pact killed Gaheron, and that threw Flame into civil war. Every Flame splinter faction that started to gain power was killed by the Pact or by Scarlet Briar. Flame Legion is pretty much in shambles.
    Interestingly, if you watch the short video showcasing that "Metal Legion" charr band, you see Flame Legion soldiers in the audience. Among them is a female charr, wearing armor in Flame Legion colors, carrying weapons.
    Way back at the start of the Personal Story, if you play Blood Legion, Elexus Shredskin makes a comment while fighting the Flame Legion: "Maybe if I kill enough of your males, your females will take over again."
    Tons and tons of Flame Legion males have died in the Flame civil war, or fighting the Pact--and it has me wondering. Was there a Kalla Scorchrazor style uprising in midst of the Flame civil war?
    At the very least, every Flame Legion extremist who has tried to lead them has died. Maybe someone with more moderate or open views took over.

  • Telwyn.1630Telwyn.1630 Member ✭✭
    edited September 11, 2019

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:
    I doubt they are like the Olmhakhan, but if you review the recent Flame Legion lore it makes sense. Flame Legion was last united under Gaheron Baelfire. The Pact killed Gaheron, and that threw Flame into civil war. Every Flame splinter faction that started to gain power was killed by the Pact or by Scarlet Briar. Flame Legion is pretty much in shambles.
    Interestingly, if you watch the short video showcasing that "Metal Legion" charr band, you see Flame Legion soldiers in the audience. Among them is a female charr, wearing armor in Flame Legion colors, carrying weapons.
    Way back at the start of the Personal Story, if you play Blood Legion, Elexus Shredskin makes a comment while fighting the Flame Legion: "Maybe if I kill enough of your males, your females will take over again."
    Tons and tons of Flame Legion males have died in the Flame civil war, or fighting the Pact--and it has me wondering. Was there a Kalla Scorchrazor style uprising in midst of the Flame civil war?
    At the very least, every Flame Legion extremist who has tried to lead them has died. Maybe someone with more moderate or open views took over.

    Maybe the female charr took over yeah that would not be a surprise a group of female charr may have taken over a faction of flame legion charr and either enslave the male charr in Legion or treated as equals since freeing themselves from the rest of the flame Legion. and yeah the flame legion has lost so many male charr so now I think they are out numbered to the point the female charr took over and turn the tables on the male charr and maybe enslave the few male charr that remianed in flame legion since well they are not too happy with the male charr in flame legion. Oh and since my male human Tarwin and my female charr character Oganna are mates even if they are from two different races in a made up story, the female charr may choose to take male humans as mates since they hate hate the male charr of their legion and all that. Which well up further chances of a long lasting peace between the humans and the charr legions of course many human men may be very scared of the fact that female charrr from flame want to pick them as mates over male charr. Course when those human men learn why female charr from flame legion are doing that well they will understand. But it dose not mean every human will accept it and still hate the charr but the newer generations of human may be more accepting even if their parents will not agree.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2019

    My character Vyrak Misthunter, a power-hungry, bloodthirst charr whos uses mist channeled magic to enhace his deadly habilities, welcome this alliance, as long he sees no problem in magic while it serves to increase its power. Hes also like all forms of extremism, autoritarism or religious obscuratism.

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • @Telwyn.1630 said:

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:
    I doubt they are like the Olmhakhan, but if you review the recent Flame Legion lore it makes sense. Flame Legion was last united under Gaheron Baelfire. The Pact killed Gaheron, and that threw Flame into civil war. Every Flame splinter faction that started to gain power was killed by the Pact or by Scarlet Briar. Flame Legion is pretty much in shambles.
    Interestingly, if you watch the short video showcasing that "Metal Legion" charr band, you see Flame Legion soldiers in the audience. Among them is a female charr, wearing armor in Flame Legion colors, carrying weapons.
    Way back at the start of the Personal Story, if you play Blood Legion, Elexus Shredskin makes a comment while fighting the Flame Legion: "Maybe if I kill enough of your males, your females will take over again."
    Tons and tons of Flame Legion males have died in the Flame civil war, or fighting the Pact--and it has me wondering. Was there a Kalla Scorchrazor style uprising in midst of the Flame civil war?
    At the very least, every Flame Legion extremist who has tried to lead them has died. Maybe someone with more moderate or open views took over.

    Maybe the female charr took over yeah that would not be a surprise a group of female charr may have taken over a faction of flame legion charr and either enslave the male charr in Legion or treated as equals since freeing themselves from the rest of the flame Legion. and yeah the flame legion has lost so many male charr so now I think they are out numbered to the point the female charr took over and turn the tables on the male charr and maybe enslave the few male charr that remianed in flame legion since well they are not too happy with the male charr in flame legion. Oh and since my male human Tarwin and my female charr character Oganna are mates even if they are from two different races in a made up story, the female charr may choose to take male humans as mates since they hate hate the male charr of their legion and all that. Which well up further chances of a long lasting peace between the humans and the charr legions of course many human men may be very scared of the fact that female charrr from flame want to pick them as mates over male charr. Course when those human men learn why female charr from flame legion are doing that well they will understand. But it dose not mean every human will accept it and still hate the charr but the newer generations of human may be more accepting even if their parents will not agree.

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  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:
    I doubt they are like the Olmhakhan, but if you review the recent Flame Legion lore it makes sense. Flame Legion was last united under Gaheron Baelfire. The Pact killed Gaheron, and that threw Flame into civil war. Every Flame splinter faction that started to gain power was killed by the Pact or by Scarlet Briar. Flame Legion is pretty much in shambles.
    Interestingly, if you watch the short video showcasing that "Metal Legion" charr band, you see Flame Legion soldiers in the audience. Among them is a female charr, wearing armor in Flame Legion colors, carrying weapons.
    Way back at the start of the Personal Story, if you play Blood Legion, Elexus Shredskin makes a comment while fighting the Flame Legion: "Maybe if I kill enough of your males, your females will take over again."
    Tons and tons of Flame Legion males have died in the Flame civil war, or fighting the Pact--and it has me wondering. Was there a Kalla Scorchrazor style uprising in midst of the Flame civil war?
    At the very least, every Flame Legion extremist who has tried to lead them has died. Maybe someone with more moderate or open views took over.

    Would be interesting. But i doubt we will get that level of detail on what went down behind the scenes inside the flame legion. The lore id love to actually find out about, but the lore they dont provide details on(Same for the nightmare court, and all the other minor villians). If they dont answer the -how- and -why- of this change, ill be disappointed, but not surprised, regardless it wont change how i play my character.

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  • @Dante.1763 said:

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:
    I doubt they are like the Olmhakhan, but if you review the recent Flame Legion lore it makes sense. Flame Legion was last united under Gaheron Baelfire. The Pact killed Gaheron, and that threw Flame into civil war. Every Flame splinter faction that started to gain power was killed by the Pact or by Scarlet Briar. Flame Legion is pretty much in shambles.
    Interestingly, if you watch the short video showcasing that "Metal Legion" charr band, you see Flame Legion soldiers in the audience. Among them is a female charr, wearing armor in Flame Legion colors, carrying weapons.
    Way back at the start of the Personal Story, if you play Blood Legion, Elexus Shredskin makes a comment while fighting the Flame Legion: "Maybe if I kill enough of your males, your females will take over again."
    Tons and tons of Flame Legion males have died in the Flame civil war, or fighting the Pact--and it has me wondering. Was there a Kalla Scorchrazor style uprising in midst of the Flame civil war?
    At the very least, every Flame Legion extremist who has tried to lead them has died. Maybe someone with more moderate or open views took over.

    Would be interesting. But i doubt we will get that level of detail on what went down behind the scenes inside the flame legion. The lore id love to actually find out about, but the lore they dont provide details on(Same for the nightmare court, and all the other minor villians). If they dont answer the -how- and -why- of this change, ill be disappointed, but not surprised, regardless it wont change how i play my character.

    We may not get a novel's worth of info about it, but I don't believe that Arenanet would just be like "Flame's friendly and gender equal now because reasons, bye." Especially after announcing that they're using this Living Story season to focus on Charr and Norn lore specifically. The how and why will definitely be answered--maybe not in as much depth as a charr lore nerd dreams of--but enough so any changes make sense.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2019

    Aldin: Dumb charr are still charr. As long as they're fighting the same enemies instead of against us, I have no objections. Any whiff of betrayal, or insubordination, like so many of their dumb predecessors, and I'll skin them just as quickly. Maybe the human queen would enjoy a new traitor-skin rug as a peace offering?

    Mirouri: Can't say I'm a fan of the burnout legion. They've caused me and my warband no end of... "trouble". Now suddenly they want to play nice? What are they up to? Definitely having my Shadow Fiend keeping its eyes on them...

    Myrrick: No. Never. You can't trust any of those matchsticks. I'll follow my Imperator's orders to fight, but I won't go out of my way to avoid them either. They get caught in my barrages, that's their fault. Isn't that right, Chili? *nuzzles the drake

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  • Tukaram.8256Tukaram.8256 Member ✭✭✭

    We teamed up with humans... how is this any worse?

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    thanks for spoilers

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    H. P. Lovecraft

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    will be extremely awkward if somebody recognizes him, better leave no loose ends

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  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2019

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:

    @Arden.7480 said:
    I doubt it's possible lore wise.

    You realize that's actually what's happening in the first release of The Icebrood Saga, right? https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/september-04-2019/
    From the page "The Main Events"
    "If you've never envisioned helping Flame Legion shamans channel powerful fire magic, at least it's for a good cause: bringing their sacred flame to an enormous effigy to perform a unifying ritual"
    "Members of the Flame legion are eager to prove themselves to their fellow charr. There's nothing like a little ghost banishing to bring people together, so join soldiers from all four legions on a trip to Doomlore Shrine."

    In short, they're going to try and wipe out a large number of ghosts with their magic. If they're successful I really doubt it'll be a permanent deal. Also we're not making an alliance. At least not yet. We're letting them make their case and we're going to agree not to kill them on sight for the occasion.

    Now if this ritual really does do away with ghosts permanently maybe they have a chip to barter with. Remains to be seen. Though we still have Magdaer and Sohothin and at least one of the human royals around that can be used to uncurse Ascalon. So even then they don't have something exclusive.

  • Well since the Leader of the Flame legion was killed during Core game and a replacement was never brought in or mentioned, Then we had some flame legion go and join the Molten Alliance. Chances are the Flame legion is more broken up then we may realize and the ones who are joining us in reuniting the legions, may be just wanting to come home to the others since the Claw of Kahnor has been found.
    Or it is a ploy by Flame legion to get back into good graces with the other Legions and tempt to claim the Claw.

  • Regh.8649Regh.8649 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2019

    @Tukaram.8256 said:
    We teamed up with humans... how is this any worse?

    Humans will be thrilled when they hear the news!

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  • Regh.8649Regh.8649 Member ✭✭✭

    Charr mode: On a more serious note, I think this is amazing, more power to the Legions with all warfare areas covered.

    The Flame Legion knows well enough that it's time to change the old ways or perish under the power of other nations and all they have to do is to adopt the "Charr Rights" and start believing in their own power and not false gods. (...though I'm ready to be their God if needed)

    They've seen us defeat 3 Elder Dragons! If they still follow the means to achiev more power, well, we are the "power" right now.

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  • aymnad.9023aymnad.9023 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2019

    I play a female charr ranger from the Iron Legion. Even if both seem opposite, I feel like knowing nature is the best way to make our technology efficient. I was always intrigued by the possibilities of magic but the legions are more suspicious than respectful toward a magic user. So there was only the flame legion left. Because they do not accept women as fighters, I guess the best I could do was killing some to get their clothing (I still wear them). Even after joining the pact where people are much more open to magic, I was still feeling like I was missing something. In the jungle of maguuma I had the opportunity to develop a new link with nature. This felt really satisfying. Suddenly I was able use the power of nature to help (as the hylek and nuhoch say, the jungle provides). The desert made me more focused on survival. I do enjoy a challenge and it felt natural to go back to a fighting style. It is only when we met the olmhakan that I felt a need to go back to magic. I hope that through interactions with the flame legions and the olmakhan I will find a new way to interact with the nature.
    For charrs in general? I feel like this will only lead to tensions and an opportunity for the flame legion to recruit or make a catastrophic explosion. Now I am not even sure they know how their magic work and do not care about joining them, maybe I will be proven wrong. (I feel like our guild is way better than the flame legion :) but I still miss my original warband, they had so much personality and I want to see some of them again)

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The phrase "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal" comes to mind.

  • @Arden.7480 said:
    thanks for spoilers

    It's not spoilers if Arenanet announces it at public events and publishes it in their online magazine before the release.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:
    I doubt they are like the Olmhakhan, but if you review the recent Flame Legion lore it makes sense. Flame Legion was last united under Gaheron Baelfire. The Pact killed Gaheron, and that threw Flame into civil war. Every Flame splinter faction that started to gain power was killed by the Pact or by Scarlet Briar. Flame Legion is pretty much in shambles.
    Interestingly, if you watch the short video showcasing that "Metal Legion" charr band, you see Flame Legion soldiers in the audience. Among them is a female charr, wearing armor in Flame Legion colors, carrying weapons.
    Way back at the start of the Personal Story, if you play Blood Legion, Elexus Shredskin makes a comment while fighting the Flame Legion: "Maybe if I kill enough of your males, your females will take over again."
    Tons and tons of Flame Legion males have died in the Flame civil war, or fighting the Pact--and it has me wondering. Was there a Kalla Scorchrazor style uprising in midst of the Flame civil war?
    At the very least, every Flame Legion extremist who has tried to lead them has died. Maybe someone with more moderate or open views took over.

    Would be interesting. But i doubt we will get that level of detail on what went down behind the scenes inside the flame legion. The lore id love to actually find out about, but the lore they dont provide details on(Same for the nightmare court, and all the other minor villians). If they dont answer the -how- and -why- of this change, ill be disappointed, but not surprised, regardless it wont change how i play my character.

    We may not get a novel's worth of info about it, but I don't believe that Arenanet would just be like "Flame's friendly and gender equal now because reasons, bye." Especially after announcing that they're using this Living Story season to focus on Charr and Norn lore specifically. The how and why will definitely be answered--maybe not in as much depth as a charr lore nerd dreams of--but enough so any changes make sense.

    Time will tell, i dont have much hope for any of that info coming out, i could be wrong it happens.

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  • my char is CHARR. When the imperator says 'we are allied with them' we are allied with them.

  • @Arden.7480 said:
    I doubt it's possible lore wise.

    We have the possibility of a Khan-Ur being named, and the possibility of Crecia being one of Flame's descendants (one doesn't just state she has Flame Legion heritage without that leading to something). Have said Khan-Ur decree that only females can be Flame Legion Imperators. That makes Crecia a Flame Imperator, gives the females all the power in the Legion, and basically makes it so men can never rule Flame Legion ever again, unless a Khan-Ur decrees it. It forces them to either go against a decree from the Khan-Ur, which is the biggest taboo a Charr can do, or begrudgingly accept it and the old mindset slowly fades into obscurity.

  • There was only one Flame Legion charr that wasn't killed by Kelorth: his father, who was a Flame Legion shaman. Any other Flame Legion scum must die in flames (irony). The Predator is a perfect weapon for this job.
    Flame Legion traitors don't deserve any fight. They don't even deserve to know who killed them. All they deserve is Death Judgement.

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  • Tanith.5264Tanith.5264 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2019

    I'm afraid my Blood Legion reaper wasn't much help with this question. His name is Lovecraft Thrall, and for the last two weeks he's been walking around the Black Citadel saying "Bangar? I don't even know her!" and cackling. I suspect all that messing about with dragon magic might have stirred his brains a bit. :)

  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    I imagine my Ash Legion thief won't have much of a problem. Some of his best friends are mages anyway and he gets along quite well with his father, the former flame shaman. :) As long as they are not causing any obvious trouble and if maybe a useful alliance is in sight, he should be alright with the Flame Legion.

    My Blood Legion charr on the other hand... Huh. She's far less tolerant. But maybe all those years fighting elder dragons and a god far away from home put things with the legions conflict a bit into perspective.

    (And yes, I know they most likely won't get any dialog choice. Anyway, speculating a bit is fun.)

  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tukaram.8256 said:
    We teamed up with humans... how is this any worse?

    This is actually a fairly salient point. At the time, a truce with the Flame Legion was being considered, but Smodur chose to make a truce with humans in part because of the Claw, but probably more because 1) forming a truce with humans opened more doors when it came to the rest of the world, and 2) he considered humans to be at least less untrustworthy.

    It's also worth noting that there haven't been any Flame Legion-related problems that I can think of since Scarlet got slapped down. If there was ever an opportunity to bring back the Molten Alliance this is probably it, but it would make sense that after Baelfire and his closest lieutenants got smacked around that someone more moderate might have finally come out on top.

  • @draxynnic.3719 said:

    @Tukaram.8256 said:
    We teamed up with humans... how is this any worse?

    This is actually a fairly salient point. At the time, a truce with the Flame Legion was being considered, but Smodur chose to make a truce with humans in part because of the Claw, but probably more because 1) forming a truce with humans opened more doors when it came to the rest of the world, and 2) he considered humans to be at least less untrustworthy.

    It's also worth noting that there haven't been any Flame Legion-related problems that I can think of since Scarlet got slapped down. If there was ever an opportunity to bring back the Molten Alliance this is probably it, but it would make sense that after Baelfire and his closest lieutenants got smacked around that someone more moderate might have finally come out on top.

    @draxynnic.3719 said:

    @Tukaram.8256 said:
    We teamed up with humans... how is this any worse?

    This is actually a fairly salient point. At the time, a truce with the Flame Legion was being considered, but Smodur chose to make a truce with humans in part because of the Claw, but probably more because 1) forming a truce with humans opened more doors when it came to the rest of the world, and 2) he considered humans to be at least less untrustworthy.

    It's also worth noting that there haven't been any Flame Legion-related problems that I can think of since Scarlet got slapped down. If there was ever an opportunity to bring back the Molten Alliance this is probably it, but it would make sense that after Baelfire and his closest lieutenants got smacked around that someone more moderate might have finally come out on top.

    At the world summit, Smodur brings up flame legion as a point of concern. He was concerned that moving too many troops would present a weakness, one that flame legion would exploit in an attack.

    We didn't see any problems, but flame legion has been poking at defenses and rebuilding it's strength.

  • SunTzu.4513SunTzu.4513 Member ✭✭✭

    After beeing introduced/ forced to joined the shining blade in LS Ep.6 it can't be going worst.....

  • Terrible.

    Not even going in to that we'll be going from kill-on-sight to ally-on-sight in a pretty short period of time...

    My lady cat is a LADY. And they don't exactly have a good relationship with Flame - see being used to pop out cubs, being a maid, getting sacrificed on an altar for complaining, drugged into a feral state, and...pretty much every single interaction ever.

    Not even going into the Molten Alliance. There's not even a small guarantee that Flame doesn't want to return to their original position of controlling all of the Legions and letting sexism reign.

  • Brycar.2651Brycar.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    There seems to be an Ice Brood Charr in the preview. Maybe that is going to be the last straw for the Flame Legion to unite with the other Legions.

  • Weindrasi.3805Weindrasi.3805 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2019

    @Curennos.9307 said: drugged into a feral state,>

    Honestly, that lady was one of the first I thought about when I heard about the whole 'meet with Flame' thing. She and others who experienced similar will probably not be okay with it AT ALL. I could see some going Renegade over an alliance with Flame, the way they did over an alliance with humans.

  • @Curennos.9307 said:
    Terrible.

    Not even going in to that we'll be going from kill-on-sight to ally-on-sight in a pretty short period of time...

    My lady cat is a LADY. And they don't exactly have a good relationship with Flame - see being used to pop out cubs, being a maid, getting sacrificed on an altar for complaining, drugged into a feral state, and...pretty much every single interaction ever.

    Not even going into the Molten Alliance. There's not even a small guarantee that Flame doesn't want to return to their original position of controlling all of the Legions and letting sexism reign.

    To be fair, we've had little recent news from Ascalon during path of fire, or even later heart of thorns/season 3.

    And the Molten alliance was outcast from flame legion and the dredge. IIRC, both groups hated anybody who joined that faction.

  • As long as I don’t sense any damning fanaticism in them, fine, they can entertain me at this celebration.

    I do hope I’ll be able to speak with my old warband, though.

  • @Kalavier.1097 said:

    @draxynnic.3719 said:

    @Tukaram.8256 said:
    We teamed up with humans... how is this any worse?

    This is actually a fairly salient point. At the time, a truce with the Flame Legion was being considered, but Smodur chose to make a truce with humans in part because of the Claw, but probably more because 1) forming a truce with humans opened more doors when it came to the rest of the world, and 2) he considered humans to be at least less untrustworthy.

    It's also worth noting that there haven't been any Flame Legion-related problems that I can think of since Scarlet got slapped down. If there was ever an opportunity to bring back the Molten Alliance this is probably it, but it would make sense that after Baelfire and his closest lieutenants got smacked around that someone more moderate might have finally come out on top.

    @draxynnic.3719 said:

    @Tukaram.8256 said:
    We teamed up with humans... how is this any worse?

    This is actually a fairly salient point. At the time, a truce with the Flame Legion was being considered, but Smodur chose to make a truce with humans in part because of the Claw, but probably more because 1) forming a truce with humans opened more doors when it came to the rest of the world, and 2) he considered humans to be at least less untrustworthy.

    It's also worth noting that there haven't been any Flame Legion-related problems that I can think of since Scarlet got slapped down. If there was ever an opportunity to bring back the Molten Alliance this is probably it, but it would make sense that after Baelfire and his closest lieutenants got smacked around that someone more moderate might have finally come out on top.

    At the world summit, Smodur brings up flame legion as a point of concern. He was concerned that moving too many troops would present a weakness, one that flame legion would exploit in an attack.

    We didn't see any problems, but flame legion has been poking at defenses and rebuilding it's strength.

    he was also the only one offering help to the poor sylvari. Seems the guy has a soft spot somewhere and some inbuilt decency.

  • Palador.2170Palador.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have... a LOT of charr characters, and most of them would have different reactions. But here's a few:

    Nemesis Brassclaw: "I betrayed them, stole a HUGE treasure trove out from under their noses, and left. I bought myself some forgiveness with everyone else, but if everyone else makes good with Flame, does that mean I'm in even bigger trouble?"

    Loupica Moonmoon: "I don't care if they declare peace or not. I see my Ex in their ranks, I'm killing him. By preference, slowly, but I'll settle for fast if I have to."

    Polybius Mindbreak: "Well, of course some of them want peace! Tyria just got a shiny, new, crystalline dragon god! They want to make friends with it. At least one faction does, expect other factions to cause problems."

    Heylel the Mute: *She holds up her leather gauntlets, which she personally made from a lava shaman she killed with her bare hands. She makes a slashing motion across her throat, and grins.*

    Baron Blastcrater: "Speaking as a historian, this was going to happen eventually. Speaking as someone with a brain, I don't trust it at all. They see something to gain from this, this isn't being done because they regret their past choices. Give them a chance, but expect betrayal. ...on both sides."

    Lip synching is just mime karaoke.

  • @Palador.2170 said:
    I have... a LOT of charr characters, and most of them would have different reactions. But here's a few:

    Nemesis Brassclaw: "I betrayed them, stole a HUGE treasure trove out from under their noses, and left. I bought myself some forgiveness with everyone else, but if everyone else makes good with Flame, does that mean I'm in even bigger trouble?"

    Loupica Moonmoon: "I don't care if they declare peace or not. I see my Ex in their ranks, I'm killing him. By preference, slowly, but I'll settle for fast if I have to."

    Polybius Mindbreak: "Well, of course some of them want peace! Tyria just got a shiny, new, crystalline dragon god! They want to make friends with it. At least one faction does, expect other factions to cause problems."

    Heylel the Mute: *She holds up her leather gauntlets, which she personally made from a lava shaman she killed with her bare hands. She makes a slashing motion across her throat, and grins.*

    Baron Blastcrater: "Speaking as a historian, this was going to happen eventually. Speaking as someone with a brain, I don't trust it at all. They see something to gain from this, this isn't being done because they regret their past choices. Give them a chance, but expect betrayal. ...on both sides."

    I can relate... I have 15 charr, and posting all of their reactions would be ridiculous. I can summarize that about 1/2 of them are in one warband, and the Legionnaire, Nyoka Gorefell, won't tolerate anyone picking fights or threatening Flame Legion at the Meet. Nyoka would most definitely kill her soldiers for disobeying orders, and they're aware of it, so Gore Warband will be well-behaved, regardless of the soldiers' personal feelings.

    I even created a Flame Shaman character in anticipation of the Meet. Fume Cinderveil is the son of a zealot, but unlike his father, his views are fairly reasonable. Fume survived the civil war and infighting in Flame Legion since Gaheron's death, and all he wants is to save his Legion. He realizes that if the other Shamans can't get over their idiotic entitlement and accept that Flame needs a truce with the other Legions, then Flame will be destroyed. He is very religious, but he views Flame Legion as having failed its duty to the Flame. However, although he is pro-truce and seeking reform for Flame Legion, he has a lot of disdain for the other three Legions and does not hide it.

    Your character Heylel the Mute sounds awesome, btw.

  • @Kalavier.1097 said:

    @Curennos.9307 said:
    Terrible.

    Not even going in to that we'll be going from kill-on-sight to ally-on-sight in a pretty short period of time...

    My lady cat is a LADY. And they don't exactly have a good relationship with Flame - see being used to pop out cubs, being a maid, getting sacrificed on an altar for complaining, drugged into a feral state, and...pretty much every single interaction ever.

    Not even going into the Molten Alliance. There's not even a small guarantee that Flame doesn't want to return to their original position of controlling all of the Legions and letting sexism reign.

    To be fair, we've had little recent news from Ascalon during path of fire, or even later heart of thorns/season 3.

    And the Molten alliance was outcast from flame legion and the dredge. IIRC, both groups hated anybody who joined that faction.

    It would be cool to get some updates there. If nothing else, I'm dying to know how the Charr are gonna deal with the ghosts. They've been there since...ever. Huh, maybe that's partially why they're bringing the Flame Legion back - for the magic to do that xD

  • @Curennos.9307 said:

    @Kalavier.1097 said:

    @Curennos.9307 said:
    Terrible.

    Not even going in to that we'll be going from kill-on-sight to ally-on-sight in a pretty short period of time...

    My lady cat is a LADY. And they don't exactly have a good relationship with Flame - see being used to pop out cubs, being a maid, getting sacrificed on an altar for complaining, drugged into a feral state, and...pretty much every single interaction ever.

    Not even going into the Molten Alliance. There's not even a small guarantee that Flame doesn't want to return to their original position of controlling all of the Legions and letting sexism reign.

    To be fair, we've had little recent news from Ascalon during path of fire, or even later heart of thorns/season 3.

    And the Molten alliance was outcast from flame legion and the dredge. IIRC, both groups hated anybody who joined that faction.

    It would be cool to get some updates there. If nothing else, I'm dying to know how the Charr are gonna deal with the ghosts. They've been there since...ever. Huh, maybe that's partially why they're bringing the Flame Legion back - for the magic to do that xD

    Well, technically Rytlock does known the anti-foefire spell. It's just the last time it got used it was only in a small area, and it took his sword :P.

    On the subject of OP. My two (atm) charr?

    The Iron Legion engineer would love the chance to have another enemy taken off the list, allowing greater focus on the remaining foes and/or more of a chance to build agriculture and industry up over focusing on building cannons. She loves the peace with humans, and isn't against the idea of the flame legion rejoining the other three, so long as they behave and don't try to take over again.

    My lionguard? Doesn't care at all. He's born and raised in LA and hasn't even stepped within Ascalon.

  • Weindrasi.3805Weindrasi.3805 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2019

    Well, "Asynda the Harlot," my ex Flame slave, just reunited with the Flame Legion and became "Asynda Cinderlight," female Flame soldier. Also, I never expected the new imperator of Flame Legion to be sweet and kindly, much less a devoted father. He makes himself impossible to hate--the man is adorable.

    Seriously, this LS chapter is amazing!

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My Charr's left the legions when they got involved with the pact.

    It's been many years since any of them give much thought to that life they left behind.
    Until recently they've kept their noses out of Charr politics and had more pressing problems to deal with.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kalavier.1097 said:
    Well, technically Rytlock does known the anti-foefire spell. It's just the last time it got used it was only in a small area, and it took his sword :P.

    Did the spell take his sword, or did it just create an opportunity for a certain someone to summon his sword to the Mists, believing its owner would follow?

  • @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Kalavier.1097 said:
    Well, technically Rytlock does known the anti-foefire spell. It's just the last time it got used it was only in a small area, and it took his sword :P.

    Did the spell take his sword, or did it just create an opportunity for a certain someone to summon his sword to the Mists, believing its owner would follow?

    We don't really know, to be honest. I'm doubtful Balthazar had a direct influence in getting Rytlock over, but the sword originally belonged to The god of fire and maybe it just went homing missile.

  • It's an interesting question - my charr is Iron Legion Vigil so have been on the frontlines of the ghost situation and dealing with the humans AND dealing with the Flame Legion. Given all characters are seriously into uniting the races, and the Vigil specifically defend the charr/human peace talks, the charr finding an identity beyond their old enemies is something to be worked too.

    Notably with the human peace treaty and adventurers from other races coming in, the Flame Legion has been seriously knocked backwards as a fighting force as one example of what even was accomplished pre-Pact.

    Also with # Elder Dragons - Aurene > 0 means much bigger problems to deal with. If the Flame Legion can be reformed as 'the magic Legion' instead of a desperate hunt for something bigger than themselves to believe in, that's a huge benefit to charr and the other Legions, and frees up more forces for the Pact.

    Also - commander isn't worried TOO much about the charr having to find an identity that isn't fighting at all, that simply doesn't seem to be a possibility on Tyria.

  • This is a good opportunity for me to remake my GW2 D&D character... in game. Faust Everburn, a guardian (paladin) that disapproved of the way Flame was being run, and opted to stay out of the spotlight after Gaheron was (thankfully) killed. Now with this truce coming to fruition, he's stepping back in to start securing his future to make sure his Legion does it right this time.

    As for my actual, current in-game characters...

    Katra Wavestrike, an elementalist that attempts to specialize in water despite her natural inclination to fire, daughter of an escaped female and a flame legion shaman, finds their sudden involvement suspicious... but she's also hopeful, and willing to work with them because she is interested in her heritage, despite everything else. Thinking about remaking her and name-changing her to reflect this, if she chooses to immerse herself in her birth culture.

    Valicca the Dreamweaver, an olmakhan (in the making, going to be name changing my ranger at some point) lifebender is wary at best and distrustful at worst. Her people left the High Legions for a very good reason, and she decided to join the Pact after the Commander saved their home, so she wants to give them the benefit of the doubt... but you won't see her openly helping them. Ever.

    Karvax Hollowhaunt is a gladium who runs with a bunch of other misfits that he's adopted, but he is former Blood Legion and is suspicious of the idea. However, if he can make nice with the humans in his new "warband", coming to value and respect them, then he should give the Flame Legion the benefit of the doubt and the chance to repent. Right?

  • particlepinata.9865particlepinata.9865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2019

    I like it. Love the More race cultural aproach instead of a globalistic everyone is friends with everyone. More realistic. Its so many years later. Just like in RL world, things change, and things go back to what it was before. Like modern times, in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's there was change and progression, people learned from mistakes in earlier times. But after enough time, that is forgotten. Now its back to the old mistakes. The old black and white thinking, nothing in between. Two sides against each other, not backing one inch. Some call this time progressive, but in reality its regressive. I know because i grew up in the 80's and 90's, which moved forward, and people would listen to other opinions, and respect that, and look how it is now. The Charr remind me humans who first learn from their mistakes, but forget that over the generations, and fall back in the old mistakes, again and again.

  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Huh.

    Well, didn't see that coming. Flame seems reasonable and fairly redeemable compared to Bangar "so what if you're Blood Legion screw you Commander I don't trust you or your dragon" Ruinbringer. lol

  • arenta.2953arenta.2953 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2019

    well my char is a female engineer working with the ash legions.

    and her father is a.....ex? flame legion shaman.

    honestly, had this occured early in her personal story. she'd have been PIIIISSSSEEEDD.

    but now. she's less concerned with it and more concerned with inquest being everywhere, and of coarse, dragons.

    doesn't mean she'll trust them. if she has to go on a solo mission with them, i doubt she's gonna agree.

    she'll give individual members a chance, when mixed with other charr legions like iron or ash. but it will be a while until she trusts them.


    from an out of game lore perspective. i am worried about flame legion returning. i don't want them to become just another legion. aka accepting females, accepting orders from other legions without complaint. and so on.

    their theme isn't a friendly one, an its something that, if change occurs, i want to see happen SLOWLY. not over night. like accepting females. not just 1 mission and then "ok females allowed". no, take his daughter for example. have them begin to accept (grudgingly) as she grows up and accomplishes alot. over the course of a long period of time. making it realistic to how beliefs change not overnight, but slowly

    heck i'd like to see it develop in a way where they accept their own females, but still hold negative views to females of other legions. considering how long this legions has operated on its own against the other legions. they seem like they've got alot of pride and grudges. and it wont be simple to remove these, but rather a generational thing. multi generational