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What was the reasoning behind Abaddon's connection to the Charr?

Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

What was the reasoning behind Abaddon's connection to the Charr? Seems he was behind the Charr invasion of the Human kingdoms, but why was this and why did the Charr associate with him?
Why did he want to destroy the humans? Seem like he played a big role in the destruction of Orr, Ascalon, Elona and Cantha. Not sure I understand why

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  • @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    What was the reasoning behind Abaddon's connection to the Charr? Seems he was behind the Charr invasion of the Human kingdoms, but why was this and why did the Charr associate with him?
    Why did he want to destroy the humans? Seem like he played a big role in the destruction of Orr, Ascalon, Elona and Cantha. Not sure I understand why

    Abaddon's connection to the charr was by the titans. His more direct connection was to the Vizier in Orr who caused the cataclysm.

    The Titans merely gifted the Charr the searing magic and posed as gods.

  • He wanted revenge on the other gods, and wanted to break free out of his prison. He used the charr to assault Orr and Arah, the City of Gods (revenge), which pushed Khilbron to attempt to open the Door of Komalie that would allow his forces (via alliance with Dhuum) to invade Tyria freely and bring about Nightfall (his freedom).

    He didn't seem to care about destroying humans, per se, but his three generals (Khilbron, Shiro, and Varesh) were all setting out to use an army to prepare for Nightfall in their own manners.

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  • Operator.2590Operator.2590 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2019

    They Gods aided Humans in spreading throughout Tyria. The Charr had only just recently claimed Ascalon before the humans showed up and drove them back with the help of their Gods. So, the Charr set out to find gods of their own to help them in their conquest.

    Fast forward, Abaddon's locked away, the Human Gods have decided to take a backseat, and the Humans are at civil war thanks to the White Mantle, who are being lead along by the Mursaat. The Mursaat want to keep the Door of Komalie closed and sealed, because in The Flameseeker Prophecies written by Glint, it will lead to the fall of the Mursaat race. So, with the White Mantle's help, they sacrifice Chosen Humans to power these "Soul Batteries" keeping the Door all locked up.

    Well, homeboy Abaddon is so powerful, he's still pulling strings on the surface in his plans to escape. The Charr needed Gods of their own? He gave it to them via the Titans, as well as giving the Titans the Searing magic to pass along to the Charr. (The Charr also found these Titans at "Abaddon's Mouth" in the Ring of Fire).

    So the Charr go and free their "gods", Mursaat get killed (except Lazarus), and the Charr kill the Titans once they see what the Titans actually were. Abaddon didn't really care about "killing Humans" so much as he cared about just destroying anything and everything the other Gods showed any semblance of interest in, since they "betrayed" him. The only Humans he really cared about were his specific worshipers, who were imprisoned with him (the Margonites).

    "The Sun will be divided that it might not sire children. Still its children shall be Four in number, and Seven in number, and be Numberless. The Numberless shall open the way for the Seven, and the Seven shall consume the Four..."

  • @Operator.2590 said:
    They Gods aided Humans in spreading throughout Tyria. The Charr had only just recently claimed Ascalon before the humans showed up and drove them back with the help of their Gods. So, the Charr set out to find gods of their own to help them in their conquest.

    Fast forward, Abaddon's locked away, the Human Gods have decided to take a backseat, and the Humans are at civil war thanks to the White Mantle, who are being lead along by the Mursaat. The Mursaat want to keep the Door of Komalie closed and sealed, because in The Flameseeker Prophecies written by Glint, it will lead to the fall of the Mursaat race. So, with the White Mantle's help, they sacrifice Chosen Humans to power these "Soul Batteries" keeping the Door all locked up.

    Well, homeboy Abaddon is so powerful, he's still pulling strings on the surface in his plans to escape. The Charr needed Gods of their own? He gave it to them via the Titans, as well as giving the Titans the Searing magic to pass along to the Charr. (The Charr also found these Titans at "Abaddon's Mouth" in the Ring of Fire).

    So the Charr go and free their "gods", Mursaat get killed (except Lazarus), and the Charr kill the Titans once they see what the Titans actually were. Abaddon didn't really care about "killing Humans" so much as he cared about just destroying anything and everything the other Gods showed any semblance of interest in, since they "betrayed" him. The only Humans he really cared about were his specific worshipers, who were imprisoned with him (the Margonites).

    You got your timeline a bit mixed up.

    Humanity was not at civil war because of the White Mantle. The guild wars caused a rift between the three nations, with the Ascalon king being extremely anti-Krytan. Orr finally broke up the wars, but the political damage was already done. The Mursaat weren't even a presence at this point. The Charr never went to the Ring of Fire until after GW1, as we know the flame legion eventually sent a group out to recover Rurik's sword (that Rytlock stole shortly afterward).

    The flame legion found a titan/some titans within a volcano in/around the Ascalon area, who gave them powerful magic and later, the searing cauldrons. Flame legion dominated the other three legions and became the "rulers" for the time. The searing cauldron allowed them to damage the great Northern wall, meaning an army could rush to Orr. This caused the Vizier to use the forbidden scrolls and cause the Cataclysm. Was this Abaddon's plan? Unknown. But an agent of Abaddon's helped cause it.

    Charr also invaded Kryta, causing the king to flee. As the Charr got closer, Saul came back with the "unseen ones", forming the white mantle who saved Kryta, though they didn't know the cost. 2 years later Ascalon refugees arrived, and the whole thing started the downfall of the White Mantle.

    The charr didn't kill the titans at all actually. Humans wiped out the titans in Ascalon after the events of Prophecies campaign. The disappearance/death of their gods rattled the Charr, and the flame legion started to lose control. In a mad plot to regain power by introducing "New fire gods" they tried to use the destroyers for this goal, but it ended up backfiring (the destroyers attacked them) and an Anti-flame legion revolution started brewing with Pyre Fierceshot.