Revenant cannot be a thief with initiative cost on both utility&weapons

Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

Can you guys just please stop complaining ? Recently there's been alot of crisis going on about rev already, we know the class is lackluster but seriously the more you complain the more dissapoint you will get in return.

I agreed you have the point but it is useless to keep this going, just play the class normally and hope for a change, those complaining threads ( no offense ) will not make the dev fix it faster but only keep new players stay away from this class faster.

Btw whats with the tittle ?

if you play the class they dont care if you dont play the class it says something is wrong......simple logic

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

Why would you use staff on a clear condition spec?

And all power builds are weak? You must not actually play Revenant. Power shiro is a beast...

Revenant is like a thief except well designed and not for monkeys. Instead thief should be nerfed (in pvp).

I'm with you OP, hold strong!

Rev has been a mess ever since launch. :/ half baked class with lots of fun ideas but not implemented very well.

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@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

Compared to a lot of other Power builds, Power Shiro is a hindrance and you would be better bringing a Warrior or a DHThat's not saying it's bad, just worse than a lot of other power builds, and has been for a while now.One of the biggest issues is, Power Rev folds under any type of condi pressure, and we are moving into (Probably) a condi/power Hybrid meta with the introduction of PoF and griever stats.Speaking of PoF, most of the new elite specs leave power shiro in the dirt.Something to consider because the future for rev is pretty bleak

Revenant is sub-mediocre in all parts except spamming healing on ventari.

The main problem is that Weaponskills and Utilities have partially high CDs and high energy costs. This is hindering fluidity to the gameplay and makes it difficult to react to other classes like thief.

As long as we can swap legends though at least we get free energy. The issue is when you need to swap for energy and the other legend isn't appropriate for the situation. It causes issues. It would be great to either take off the energy from weapon skills and just use cool downs or give us a way to generate energy so we don't need to swap as much.

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

This... ^^^

The only reason Shiro seems weak compared to War or DH is the lack of cleanse... It has nothing to do with their damage output or energy cost restrictions. If Shiro Rev's didn't have to avoid literally every incoming condibomb or instantly die, they would insanely destroy those other classes. I mean, when have you ever lost to a power War/DH 1v1? 0.o It's when you're in a team fight and a condi teef, giggling at his keyboard, steal bombs you from behind a pillar 1200 away that you feel weak.

And it's only going to get worse for all revenant specs, not just power... PoF has so many new insane condi bomb builds, and our only defense against them is being indirectly nerfed by all the boon strip classes also being added.

Revenant is a thief on actual hard mode now (only pre HoT thief was skillful) and I'm liking that.

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

I'm talking PvE, and no power rev doesn't even come close to those in DPS.

Power rev is doing miserably because of all the pvp related nerfs to their autoattack DPS, unrelenting assault's nerf to damage and cooldown, and the nerf to facet of nature.

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@Solori.6025 said:

@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

Who's letting Power Warrior's play PvE?!?!

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

A group that doesn't have the condi version for PS.

Power warrior may be bad DPS, but PS+ banners is still immense raid DPS that a power revenant doesn't even get close to matching.

A warrior of any PS variant is increasing the raid DPS by 25%+.

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

Rev's aren't even competing for the might share support spot though, so that's a crazy comparison to try and make...

Also, if you're so concerned with your group's composition that you're ruling out dps Revs, you should also automatically be ruling out power PS's... The gap between a power PS and a CPS or Condi Might Share Ele is much bigger than the difference between an ele/dh and a dps rev is.

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

They're not competing for it because anet demolished glint over several patches, and PS warrior has gone untouched because nobody uses PS+banners in PvP, which is what they obviously balance around. If any spec should compete with warrior for might and fury sharing, it should bloody well be Herald considering it's the boon centric elite spec.

And please let's not conflate all revenant DPS specs. Power revenant in gw2raid logs is doing just as abysmal as power warrior. Except power warrior still offers something with banners whereas revenants offers only a 225 ferocity aura, a far worse version of banner of discipline+empower allies.

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@Solori.6025 said:

@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

It also happened in the same patch that nerfed SoI. So I mean, with SoI losing it's ability to share stacks of boons, the chrono/PS/Rev meta was gone whether they nerfed Rev or not, since you now needed 4 slots just for the Quickness/Might uptime and Rev wasn't there for it's individual DPS anyways.

And I can't speak to gw2raidlogs, but I assume that's a pretty inaccurate source for true benchmark numbers? As far as I've seen, power rev is a solid 9k above power war... But I mean, yeah, it's still a sub 30k benchmark so it's whatever.

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

.....what the hell? Benchmark numbers will never be as accurate as actual statistical analysis on raid logs.

That's like saying Simcraft in WoW would be more accurate than looking at wowlogs. Raid logs show the average performance under actual raid scenarios of any given spec.

And the nerfs that demolished rev started long before the nerf to facet of nature.

20%+ nerf to autoattacks. Same nerf for Unrelenting assault on top of increased cd, shifting a bit of that damage to sword 2 but it's a far worse trade anyways. These were all PvP derived nerfs.

Facet of Nature nerf was a nerf specifically due to WvW (which is still pvp as much as people like to pretend it isn't), people were whining mesmers and revenants were stacking infinite resistance.

Wow, how did I know either Zenith of Fractured would start a thread like this one within the first few days? The tenacity of these two is stunning.

"But I mean, yeah, it's still a sub 30k benchmark so it's whatever"

I lol'd....... ;) That's fine dps and more people need to realize it. the real argument is that we don't bring much else, but hopefully that's gonna change!!

@Joxer.6024 said:"But I mean, yeah, it's still a sub 30k benchmark so it's whatever"

I lol'd....... ;) That's fine dps and more people need to realize it. the real argument is that we don't bring much else, but hopefully that's gonna change!!

Its actually over 30k if you're actually good, which puts us right in the middle. No complaints about being in the middle, but it is a horrifically boring rotation. Press 3 buttons on cooldown essentially, woohooooo. That, and as you said, doesn't bring much else to the table.

@Arkaile.5604 What a good argument, 10/10, you swayed me. Seriously though, no one has brought up proof that Revenant is a fantastic superb, and super fun class to play in serious environments. Boring AF rotations, with middle of the road DPS, and doesn't bring much else to the table.

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

Except combined statistical analysis also factors in all the mouth breathers playing that spec with bad mechanics and rotations. Whereas a benchmark shows you the highest threshold that a class can be pushed to. I'd take my max number to aim for instead of some mean number based on everyone from the good to the truly bad any day.

Hearing, "Oh don't worry, 17k is actually okay for Cairn" is not what I aim to achieve when I actually get to dps instead of chrono/druiding.

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

Fwiw, Gw2raidar lists the top 90th percentile damage as well, so you can stack yourself up against people who are actually good at the class. It's not just the median of all dps, it has a bunch of different listings. Power rev doesn't do so hot but Condi Rev is actually pretty great overall

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6zmvmo/just_some_raid_data_wwwgw2raidarcom/

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@dchsknight.3042 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:Something needs to change with the class. So long as we have no means of generating energy without legend swap, the class will be stuck using a single utility and then autoattacking till weaponswap is back.

The spec also has serious lack of access to boons unless gaining access to Glint. This is what makes core rev such a nonstarter in most builds. You're supposed to be using each legend for their situational utility, but all we do right now is swap to a legend, use a single utility that empties our energy bar as we autoattack, then be forced to swap to another legend even if that other legend has marginal benefit for the current situation.

This is particularly egregious with the staff weapon, which has such large costs on all its skills, two of them utterly mediocre (skills 2 and 4 are way too weak). Worse, staff's autoattack is anemic in DPS, and the rationale is that it offers healing, but the healing fragments spawned by the autoattack are absurdly undertuned.

We're talking about 300-400 hp per completed autoattack chain. That is nothing for placing such a massive penalty on the autoattack's DPS.

All revenant power builds are weak for this reason. You've massively nerfed the autoattack DPS options of the revenant in PvE, and the skills that used to hit hard like unrelenting assault have been castrated and put on longer cooldowns because there was no split balancing.

The easiest solution to bringing in PvE class balance is to do a balance pass on autoattack DPS across all class weapons to establish a baseline as a safety net, then look at individual keystone skills like unrelenting assault, gravedigger, maul, and bring those up to the level of currently competitive weapons like thief staff and guardian greatsword.

I can tell you have never used a logs site since the poster above me had to clue you into the fact you can look up percentiles.