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Warrior's Cunning is Broken

The patch has just arrived, and I tested warrior's Cunning. Warrior's Cunning applies the full +50% damage bonus to a target's health bar even if they only have a tiny amount of barrier.

Anet, I'm not sure how you managed to allow such a broken mechanic into this patch. RIP scrappers and anyone else unfortunate enough to recieve a small amount of barrier.

Please fix this by applying the +50% damage bonus only to the barrier. For example: If a target has 150 barrier, it will require damage 100 damage to destroy the barrier (100 * 1.5 = 150) and then any excess damage does not recieve the bonus +50% damage.

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  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That's what I read too, 1 hp barrier or 30k, you have barrier up

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sounds good to me. I hated they introduced barrier.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah I'm hoping alot of warriors run it

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    and? what broken build you are running it with? tell me the build, i need to know. because im dumb and can't think of any at the moment. appreciated.

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    And the unjustified QQ starts. Lets wait for cropped pics of 55K hits.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    And the unjustified QQ starts. Lets wait for cropped pics of 55K hits.

    OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Barnesy.5839 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok

    I don't play builds with barrier. This won't directly effect me.

    Having a single trait which makes an entire elite specialization useless (scapper) is poor game design. Any warrior who sees a scrapper on the opposing team during pre-game will simply choose this trait. Thus scrapper are now completely unviable in competative PVP. I would prefer gw2 to have more build diversity, not less.

    Yeah we'll just see how useless those classes become. Much exaggeration going on I think but we will just have to wait and see :)

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭

    @Barnesy.5839 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok

    I don't play builds with barrier. This won't directly effect me.

    Having a single trait which makes an entire elite specialization useless (scapper) is poor game design. Any warrior who sees a scrapper on the opposing team during pre-game will simply choose this trait. Thus scrappers are now completely unviable in competative PVP. I would prefer gw2 to have more build diversity, not less.

    losing 50% damage from other line, so u can do 50% damage to barrier is not very smart to me.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not even an hour after the patch hit people are already complaining. Grow up and enjoy a few days of having different stuff floating around instead of the same 8 builds we've had for more than a year.

  • Marxx.5021Marxx.5021 Member ✭✭✭

    Please make it 100%. I still can't one-shot tanky classes like warrior.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    That's what I read too, 1 hp barrier or 30k, you have barrier up

    Which is sad, because I'm pretty sure the 1 barrier bug for scrappers is still around.

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  • Tycura.1982Tycura.1982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    @Lighter.5631 said:
    and? what broken build you are running it with? tell me the build, i need to know. because im dumb and can't think of any at the moment. appreciated.

    Strength line has the most synergy if you don't mind giving up spellborker. I think it's a very complimentary line but I wouldn't run it over strength or defense.

  • Sigmoid.7082Sigmoid.7082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I swear opportunity cost doesn't exist in some peoples minds unless it's something they are forced to choose.

  • MyPuppy.8970MyPuppy.8970 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Please dont give me barrier when a War is around. I'm fine without it.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ppl scared of warriors using that traitline have never played warrior.
    damage oriented warrior have almost no synergy with tactic, or rather have traitlines with way better synergies.

    one of you who are oh so scared of that trait, PLEASE post a warrior build with warriors cunning.
    i will tell you why its bad and why there are better options.
    only some meme warriors will use that, get 1/10 ppl down and make a montage out of it. and 9/10 ppl will laugh at them for being so useless

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    @Barnesy.5839 said:
    The patch has just arrived, and I tested warrior's Cunning. Warrior's Cunning applies the full +50% damage bonus to a target's health bar even if they only have a tiny amount of barrier.

    Anet, I'm not sure how you managed to allow such a broken mechanic into this patch. RIP scrappers and anyone else unfortunate enough to recieve a small amount of barrier.

    Please fix this by applying the +50% damage bonus only to the barrier. For example: If a target has 150 barrier, it will require damage 100 damage to destroy the barrier (100 * 1.5 = 150) and then any excess damage does not recieve the bonus +50% damage.

    What would warrior give up for the trait?

    Meta warrios all run Strength-Discipline , now you either use Defense or Spellbreaker to have that well rounded spec we're all familiar with...what would warriors give up for Tactics and Warrior's cunning?

    Either way the resulting build would be an easy pick for everybody else...I doubt you'll see many wars running this in PvP outside specific matches where they're supported or in wvw as frontline burst.

    In the end the trait is in a traitline aimed for support...I wouldn't worry that much

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  • alain.1659alain.1659 Member ✭✭✭

    Does this bonus apply when you have provided a barrier by another person? If it does, than it is terrible. I cannot control other peoples skills and there are so many trolls in the game. If not, then its fine and dandy.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @alain.1659 said:
    Does this bonus apply when you have provided a barrier by another person? If it does, than it is terrible. I cannot control other peoples skills and there are so many trolls in the game. If not, then its fine and dandy.

    It applies to every barrier, but as stated above, it just doesnt fit into any competent build.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Has anyone actually been hit by this or is everyone crying wolf?

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  • Catchyfx.5768Catchyfx.5768 Member ✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Has anyone actually been hit by this or is everyone crying wolf?

    Maybe some core war build, but ppl dont want to lose spellbreakers F2.
    Curious about this

    Jokaurene

  • Yannir.4132Yannir.4132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:
    What would warrior give up for the trait?

    Meta warrios all run Strength-Discipline , now you either use Defense or Spellbreaker to have that well rounded spec we're all familiar with...what would warriors give up for Tactics and Warrior's cunning?

    Either way the resulting build would be an easy pick for everybody else...I doubt you'll see many wars running this in PvP outside specific matches where they're supported or in wvw as frontline burst.

    In the end the trait is in a traitline aimed for support...I wouldn't worry that much

    Yeah, warriors running Tactics won't be the new meta. Dropping either Discipline or Strength or Spb is a no-go. You just give up way too much consistent damage even if you picked up that +50% vs barrier trait. It's too situational even if really good against 1 or 2 classes.

    Honestly the only thing I can imagine a Warrior dropping is Strength in the Core build, and even so it's unlikely to pick up Warrior's Cunning as picking Tactics would shift the focus of the build away from sidenoding and more into a teamfight DPS/offensive support in which Empower Allies is more valuable. Dunno if this would even work, haven't tested it.

  • The trait is intended to be high health breaker. Totally a nice idea. But it's executed poorly. Barriers scale dynamically while the trait applies straight modifier. having 100 barrier, same armor but suddenly got 50% damage more first shot. I mean, that's obviously unbalanced.

    I think they should keep verything as is except that the barrier damage part only applies to barriers and bump it to 75%.

  • Durzlla.6295Durzlla.6295 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Barnesy.5839 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    OP prob hasn't logged in yet to test and is just upset about the change due to a warrior stealing his birthday or somthing so wants to do what he can to make sure his barrier spamming isn't threatened lok

    I don't play builds with barrier. This won't directly effect me.

    Having a single trait which makes an entire elite specialization useless (scapper) is poor game design. Any warrior who sees a scrapper on the opposing team during pre-game will simply choose this trait. Thus scrappers are now completely unviable in competative PVP. I would prefer gw2 to have more build diversity, not less.

    Like how if soulbeasts saw a FB + Scourge duo they’d just slot unblockables out the kitten so those classes never got to play the game?

    This has been a common trait in GW2 PvP for a while now, and has never lead to the victim classes being unusable.

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  • Im pretty sure this trait was mostly intended for wvw where scourges apply 5k+ aoe barrier to entire squads. As people have said, giving up strength, discipline, or even defense for a very situational trait isnt going to change the meta. The only way i could see this trait being broken is for 1 shot rifle warriors who would consistently get 25% extra damage on their burst.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    Im pretty sure this trait was mostly intended for wvw where scourges apply 5k+ aoe barrier to entire squads. As people have said, giving up strength, discipline, or even defense for a very situational trait isnt going to change the meta. The only way i could see this trait being broken is for 1 shot rifle warriors who would consistently get 25% extra damage on their burst.

    All that effort to be worse Deadeye.

  • Lich King.1524Lich King.1524 Member ✭✭
    edited October 7, 2019

    The damage to Weaver who has 2000 toughness build from a Warrior, the instant kill

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2019

    Barrier was badly introduced to the game, as in with wrong mechanics that ended in awfull gameplay, they now counter with another bad behavior...
    Barrier was a bad choice the way it was added to the game....

    TDLR: its Anet..... it’s normal... devs have no sense of good gameplay, that comes out of pure RNG updates.

    Now it’s just a matter of wait until they change it as usual and when.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2019

    Well.. warrior cannot utilize it. Core builds cannot efficiently compete. Dropping str or dis for tactics is overall major loss.

    Support warrior (not really a thing) will not use it either.

    It is not useful in PvE.

    It is just there.. so people can yell "OVER POWERED."

  • Gamble.4580Gamble.4580 Member ✭✭✭

    It’s not a support war. The tat core war is more of a team peal/ anti roamer / 1v1er / good team fight nuke to. Holo vibes

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