Drop of Visage of the Khan-Ur was doubled ¿Is that a joke? — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Drop of Visage of the Khan-Ur was doubled ¿Is that a joke?

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"Recovered" Charr Artifacts now have increased rewards: an additional piece of charr-themed gear, one of the four legion keys, and double the chance of receiving a Visage of the Khan-Ur.

There is an achievement collection demanding 3 of these visages. Nowadays only one is listed on the TP at 10K... so, the drop of this object was absurdly low. Anet seems aware, so they decided to increase it, and decide to only increase it x2. Also, we have to consider the population decrease of the map... this just leaves this achievement as impossible.

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  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    im pretty sure that the vast majority of people are using any they get right now for the achievement, so not many are being posted.

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  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dante.1763 said:
    im pretty sure that the vast majority of people are using any they get right now for the achievement, so not many are being posted.

    Yeah, most players would rather use then the 5500 gold buy order.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    @Bandido.8719 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:
    im pretty sure that the vast majority of people are using any they get right now for the achievement, so not many are being posted.

    At 10k price... are you sure the majority of people will not post it?

    Those who want it, i doubt will. Those who dont want it probably dont care enough to try and get it.

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:
    im pretty sure that the vast majority of people are using any they get right now for the achievement, so not many are being posted.

    Yeah, most players would rather use then the 5500 gold buy order.

    I would use it if i got it, i play only charr though so it actually has a use for me.

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  • At that price... instant sale!

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  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bandido.8719 said:

    Do you really need everything to enjoy the game?

    Do you enjoy with impossible achievements?

    Considering MOST of the achievements are 'impossible' for most players ... you have to conclude yes.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Play the game if you want the shiny. That's all.

    Bite me.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    At least they are more fast now to try fix rewards.

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bandido.8719 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Play the game if you want the shiny. That's all.

    The problem is with the current drop rate (even doubled) in your whole life playing the game you aren't going to get 3 of them for the achievement. You can win the lotto 3 times? Yes, is not absolutely impossible (if impossible is the problematic word), but statistically in 100 years playing you are not gonna get it.

    So you've done the math?

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    I'm just mad i opened like 30 with the 10 ap and a bunch map completes and got 30 rares. Now theres better stuff and higher chance and I'll never waste time getting another

  • Ol Nik.2518Ol Nik.2518 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    @Kalaina.8245 said:
    Taking only into account the players who have a gw2efficiency account and who seem to care about Story Journal achievements, a very conservative estimate gives us around 3,000 such players. Thus far we've seen drops for maybe 10 of the Visage of the Khan-Ur items, or around 5/week. Due to this change, we can hope that we'll be seeing twice as many, which brings that up to 10/week.

    In order for all of these players to get their 3 helms, that's 9,000 such helms, which gives us 900 weeks, or 17.3 years. That's assuming that people continue to open these boxes at the same rate that they're opening them now. In an ideal scenario, we can hope that the price of these on the auction house normalizes down to some sort of realistic price like 5,000 gold.

    Looking at this another way, Secrets of the Khan-Ur has 22,571 unlocks on gw2efficiency. Additional Secrets of the Khan-Ur has 11,123 listed unlocks on gw2efficiency (for opening the vault a second time). Combined with reward chests from map completion, we can conservatively estimate that maybe 60,000 of these boxes have been opened thus far. That puts the helm droprate in the ballpark of 1 in every 5,000-10,000 boxes (0.01-0.02%).

    Let's be conservative yet again and assume that the drop rate is now 1 in every 2,000 boxes after today's buff. If you can make a new character, train them to level 10 and then map complete Grothmar Valley in 30 minutes, the expected average on these Visage of the Khan-Ur drops is 1,000 hours of playtime per box, if you spend your entire playtime directly and specifically farming for them and doing nothing else. And given that I've made six conservative estimates in order to get there, the reality is almost certainly bleaker than that.

    Nothing about this seems reasonable to me.

    Just one correction: Not all GW2 players are gw2efficiency users. So, the number of active players opening the boxes and/or pursuing the achievement is higher. However, this does not mean that the drop rate of helmets is not ridiculously low, it is. If it was not the case we would see many more of them on TP with more reasonable prices.

  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes. It’s a huge joke.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    I still think they have an extra zero or two in the drop rate (maybe instead of entering it as a number they entered as percent such that it would be 100x more rare). For a rare drop it seems more akin to super rare but perhaps it is because all the "rare" drops share the rare drop chance concurrently.

    For example for rare unid gear it was supposedly 1 in 80 chance to get exotic ; for green masterwork it was 6/1000 to get exotic ; for blue fine unid gear it was 1/1000. If you look at trick or treat bags , rare is around 1% . For heavy loot bags from WvW it's around 9% chance to get a t6 material.

    Given the timegating (map complete / one-off from reward tracks) , the sample size is going to be far smaller for the visage.

  • Urud.4925Urud.4925 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    If it were just a very rare item (like the invisible boots) I'd be fine. But putting a very rare drop as achievement is simply silly (I still have to get the Jormag's claw to unlock the collection, and in comparison that costs nothing on the TP). A tough achievement is fine, I can play until I improve, if I'm able to. But forcing me to play over and over, until I get bored, it's no very different from most of the MMOs that give you the loot you're looking for, after killing the same boss for the thousandth time.
    Sure it's an achievement, not a gear. But I thought ArenaNet wanted to reduce the RNG in GW2. It's good that they're monitoring the drops and making some adjustment though. Maybe they'll change the drop rate again in future, hopefully.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bandido.8719 said:

    Do you really need everything to enjoy the game?

    Do you enjoy with impossible achievements?

    It's not impossible. It's just put of most people's reach. Which is what most achievements SHOULD be.

    Best Dressed Memser NA.

  • I was told we only need 1 visage to unlock all 3

  • Frostfang.5109Frostfang.5109 Member ✭✭✭

    I just want it for my character.... still seems almost impossible to get...😥

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭

    Now, if they would just give us more ways and better drop chances to get barefoot "skins".

  • But guys!
    Just look at the reward you can get after finishing the collection. Metal Legion T-shirt!!! Item worth ... let me see ... 5g + 200 hatched chilis at npc merchant ? or completely free as a reward from wvw/pvp reward track?
    Something's really wrong with that collection. It's called 'Merchantise...'. Trying to aquire an item available once per day by doing 4 time consuming metas has nothing to do with merchantise at all (even not considering ridiculous drop rate). Unless we call buying/selling via TP merchantise.

    Btw. I wonder how many weapons (Bloodletter, Flamewalker, ashfall, ironsight bolt thrower) which are being sold on TP come from "Recovered" Charr Artifacts, and how many from pvp/wvw tracks?

  • I love release day drop rates. Means you can play normally, sell everything you get for big money. Come back a month later and buy them back for a huge discount and get the achievement

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @banshee.9328 said:
    But guys!
    Just look at the reward you can get after finishing the collection. Metal Legion T-shirt!!! Item worth ... let me see ... 5g + 200 hatched chilis at npc merchant ? or completely free as a reward from wvw/pvp reward track?
    Something's really wrong with that collection. It's called 'Merchantise...'. Trying to aquire an item available once per day by doing 4 time consuming metas has nothing to do with merchantise at all (even not considering ridiculous drop rate). Unless we call buying/selling via TP merchantise.

    Btw. I wonder how many weapons (Bloodletter, Flamewalker, ashfall, ironsight bolt thrower) which are being sold on TP come from "Recovered" Charr Artifacts, and how many from pvp/wvw tracks?

    Read the blue tool tip for the collection to understand why the reward is a t-shirt.

    The metas are not time consuming. They all take about 7 min except for the Iron Legion one which takes around 16 min. Players also have the option to purchase the keys which remove the new to do the metas. Like everything else in the game, it’s fast more efficient to just farm the gold. The chests from map completion and the vault also appear to randomly give a key. So you only really need to do three metas per day.

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The metas are not time consuming. They all take about 7 min except for the Iron Legion one which takes around 16 min. Players also have the option to purchase the keys which remove the new to do the metas. Like everything else in the game, it’s fast more efficient to just farm the gold. The chests from map completion and the vault also appear to randomly give a key. So you only really need to do three metas per day.

    So 7+7+7+16=37 minutes. If you come just in time of course. And I get 4 keys. For what? What is the reward for your time? With the current drop rate faster one gets money from selling keys and buys visage than gets an item from vault.
    Are keys the reward or treasure inside the vault?
    FYI: 7 visages up to date dropped from Charr Artifact according to GW2eff. You can add 1 or 2 to if any non registered lucky guy got it.
    Is there any point doing metas after finishing the achievements? There is one. WP just before Ash one starts. Do it. Sell key. Repeat until people realise it is worthless and price go down to 1s. Kappa.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @banshee.9328 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The metas are not time consuming. They all take about 7 min except for the Iron Legion one which takes around 16 min. Players also have the option to purchase the keys which remove the new to do the metas. Like everything else in the game, it’s fast more efficient to just farm the gold. The chests from map completion and the vault also appear to randomly give a key. So you only really need to do three metas per day.

    So 7+7+7+16=37 minutes. If you come just in time of course. And I get 4 keys. For what? What is the reward for your time? With the current drop rate faster one gets money from selling keys and buys visage than gets an item from vault.
    Are keys the reward or treasure inside the vault?
    FYI: 7 visages up to date dropped from Charr Artifact according to GW2eff. You can add 1 or 2 to if any non registered lucky guy got it.
    Is there any point doing metas after finishing the achievements? There is one. WP just before Ash one starts. Do it. Sell key. Repeat until people realise it is worthless and price go down to 1s. Kappa.

    And you spend about as much time on some other metas in the game (e.g. DS, DF). I also noted in my post that you could simply buy the keys and that the chest gives a random one.

    GW2efficency isn’t a reliable source as it isn’t representative of the population. Plenty of players here made that point to me over a year ago when I was using it like you are.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    GW2efficency isn’t a reliable source as it isn’t representative of the population. Plenty of players here made that point to me over a year ago when I was using it like you are.

    It is actually representative of the population interested in achievement hunting, those that would actually farm the meta events for multiple days in order to get those items. About 80% of the players at the 35k AP Range have a gw2eff account. And a rough estimate of 11% (using those with 5k AP) up to 18% (using Hellfire/Radiant Vembrace acquisition) in the top 10% of the game, which is by the way only at 2.7k AP at the moment. 2.7k AP is nothing.

    So it depends how "representative" of a population is a number between 10% and 20%

  • I am not asking about getting keys. I am asking about reason for getting them. For now it's just waste of time if you do meta or money if you buy them.
    Problem is vault, it is unrewarding. You get more while doing anything in this game.

    Gw2eff gathers data from over 200k players atm. If you do not trust values, look gw2bltc, gw2tp etc. Just check availibility. With current buy price almost noone would hoard it or acc bind.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ze Dos Cavalos.6132 said:
    I was told we only need 1 visage to unlock all 3

    This doesn't seem to be the case, as the number of accounts that have unlocked the three different weights on efficiency is not equal . . .

    @SinisterSlay.6973 said:
    I love release day drop rates. Means you can play normally, sell everything you get for big money. Come back a month later and buy them back for a huge discount and get the achievement

    In general I would agree, this is a smart tactic. This issue here is getting it to drop so you can sell it in the first place ;)

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    GW2efficency isn’t a reliable source as it isn’t representative of the population. Plenty of players here made that point to me over a year ago when I was using it like you are.

    It is actually representative of the population interested in achievement hunting, those that would actually farm the meta events for multiple days in order to get those items. About 80% of the players at the 35k AP Range have a gw2eff account. And a rough estimate of 11% (using those with 5k AP) up to 18% (using Hellfire/Radiant Vembrace acquisition) in the top 10% of the game, which is by the way only at 2.7k AP at the moment. 2.7k AP is nothing.

    So it depends how "representative" of a population is a number between 10% and 20%

    It’s representative of that subset of players. The person I responded to was using that to infer across the entire player population.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @banshee.9328 said:
    I am not asking about getting keys. I am asking about reason for getting them. For now it's just waste of time if you do meta or money if you buy them.
    Problem is vault, it is unrewarding. You get more while doing anything in this game.

    The same can be said about any meta that isn’t DF. A year or so ago you could’ve said the same about any meta that wasn’t Istan. They did add additional rewards to the vault chest. But yeah, it’s not going to be as rewards as other areas of the game such as gold farming.

    Gw2eff gathers data from over 200k players atm. If you do not trust values, look gw2bltc, gw2tp etc. Just check availibility. With current buy price almost noone would hoard it or acc bind.

    It’s whether those 200K accounts are representative of the entire player population.

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @banshee.9328 said:
    I am not asking about getting keys. I am asking about reason for getting them. For now it's just waste of time if you do meta or money if you buy them.
    Problem is vault, it is unrewarding. You get more while doing anything in this game.

    The same can be said about any meta that isn’t DF. A year or so ago you could’ve said the same about any meta that wasn’t Istan. They did add additional rewards to the vault chest. But yeah, it’s not going to be as rewards as other areas of the game such as gold farming.

    Gw2eff gathers data from over 200k players atm. If you do not trust values, look gw2bltc, gw2tp etc. Just check availibility. With current buy price almost noone would hoard it or acc bind.

    It’s whether those 200K accounts are representative of the entire player population.

    Estimate your income from vault. Compare to any HoT meta or even Tequatl.

    And as I stated before if you dont trust gw2eff you can add 1 or 2 to overall number of visage drops. Well you can even add 10 it doesnt change anything. Or just observe supply moves on gw2tp or gw2bltc.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    @banshee.9328 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @banshee.9328 said:
    I am not asking about getting keys. I am asking about reason for getting them. For now it's just waste of time if you do meta or money if you buy them.
    Problem is vault, it is unrewarding. You get more while doing anything in this game.

    The same can be said about any meta that isn’t DF. A year or so ago you could’ve said the same about any meta that wasn’t Istan. They did add additional rewards to the vault chest. But yeah, it’s not going to be as rewards as other areas of the game such as gold farming.

    Gw2eff gathers data from over 200k players atm. If you do not trust values, look gw2bltc, gw2tp etc. Just check availibility. With current buy price almost noone would hoard it or acc bind.

    It’s whether those 200K accounts are representative of the entire player population.

    Estimate your income from vault. Compare to any HoT meta or even Tequatl.

    >

    I already told you that it wasn’t going to be as rewarding as other metas and Anet hasn’t been consistent with this.

    And as I stated before if you dont trust gw2eff you can add 1 or 2 to overall number of visage drops. Well you can even add 10 it doesnt change anything. Or just observe supply moves on gw2tp or gw2bltc.

    Arbitrarily modifying the results on gw2eff doesn’t make it any more reliable. You have no way of knowing that those who are doing the metas or buying keys use gw2eff. The number of unlocks shown could very well be a small percentage of the actual unlocks.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Witch of Doom.5739 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Bandido.8719 said:

    Do you really need everything to enjoy the game?

    Do you enjoy with impossible achievements?

    It's not impossible. It's just put of most people's reach. Which is what most achievements SHOULD be.

    Wow, most achievements totally out of my reach. Yeah, that's why I play a game - to have things dangled in front of me that I'll never get. Isn't that why everyone plays? (Sarcasm font off)

    It's too bad this is literally the only achievement they ever added to the game and there isn't a spectrum of achievements across the game of a variety of difficulties.

    Best Dressed Memser NA.

  • banshee.9328banshee.9328 Member ✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    Arbitrarily modifying the results on gw2eff doesn’t make it any more reliable. You have no way of knowing that those who are doing the metas or buying keys use gw2eff. The number of unlocks shown could very well be a small percentage of the actual unlocks.

    If you had relatively more drops than gw2eff is showing, you could observe some movement on TP. At least minimal. It represents whole population. Of course you can say that many ppl may wish to take skin for theirselves and don't put it on TP. But seriously, just look at prices on TP. Do you believe there is noone wishing to get instant 5000g?

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @banshee.9328 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    Arbitrarily modifying the results on gw2eff doesn’t make it any more reliable. You have no way of knowing that those who are doing the metas or buying keys use gw2eff. The number of unlocks shown could very well be a small percentage of the actual unlocks.

    If you had relatively more drops than gw2eff is showing, you could observe some movement on TP. At least minimal. It represents whole population. Of course you can say that many ppl may wish to take skin for theirselves and don't put it on TP. But seriously, just look at prices on TP. Do you believe there is noone wishing to get instant 5000g?

    You’re assuming that players check the price before using it or are aware that it has a high price. If they did sell, it could have been to buy orders so you wouldn’t see the supply every increase.

  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Witch of Doom.5739 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Bandido.8719 said:

    Do you really need everything to enjoy the game?

    Do you enjoy with impossible achievements?

    It's not impossible. It's just put of most people's reach. Which is what most achievements SHOULD be.

    Wow, most achievements totally out of my reach. Yeah, that's why I play a game - to have things dangled in front of me that I'll never get. Isn't that why everyone plays? (Sarcasm font off)

    It's too bad this is literally the only achievement they ever added to the game and there isn't a spectrum of achievements across the game of a variety of difficulties.

    What part of "sarcasm" is not clear? But I will say that there are many achievements via collections that are impossible for me, also ones that require a certain amount of dexterity because my hands sometimes shake. Yes, I know I can't have every game achievement quickly and easily, but it is discouraging to know that so many are literally impossible. Not wasting sleep (or money) over it, though.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    It’s whether those 200K accounts are representative of the entire player population.

    As I said, they are about the 10% to 20% of the players that play this game and are eligible to get the Visage. The entire player population won't be farming this meta given how the majority of the game's accounts doesn't even have access to Bound by Blood. A great number is also banned because they were gold sellers.

    In order to -try- to get the Visage you must have at least one level 80 character, to play in the zone properly. Having finished the episode is a must too (or at least the first instance), it includes acquisition of both expansions (now that Heart of Thorns is bundled with Path of Fire) . You are gonna tell me now, that there is a player out there that is farming this meta for this specific item, even though they have two full expansions and a complete core game to play? I find that really unlikely, those that are bothered with that are finished with the rest of the game.

    So yes the gw2efficiency are very much representative of the population that dropped the Visages. Also, as I said 80% of the game's population in the 35k AP range have a gw2efficiency account. I'm willing to bet that those achievement hunters run the meta more times than the rest of the playerbase combined.

    Edit: Arenanet told us there 11 million accounts. Using the official leaderboards you can see that 10% of the accounts have 2.7k AP+, which means 1.1 million accounts. 2.7k AP is literally nothing, especially for owners of both expansions. You will get more than that if you casually finish the core game and the 2 expansions (and maybe a couple of ls episodes) provided you don't do any dailies. If you include dailies, you need just 270 days to reach that point with dailies alone...

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @banshee.9328 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    Arbitrarily modifying the results on gw2eff doesn’t make it any more reliable. You have no way of knowing that those who are doing the metas or buying keys use gw2eff. The number of unlocks shown could very well be a small percentage of the actual unlocks.

    If you had relatively more drops than gw2eff is showing, you could observe some movement on TP. At least minimal. It represents whole population. Of course you can say that many ppl may wish to take skin for theirselves and don't put it on TP. But seriously, just look at prices on TP. Do you believe there is noone wishing to get instant 5000g?

    You’re assuming that players check the price before using it or are aware that it has a high price. If they did sell, it could have been to buy orders so you wouldn’t see the supply every increase.

    And you see number of buy orders going down?

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    It’s whether those 200K accounts are representative of the entire player population.

    As I said, they are about the 10% to 20% of the players that play this game and are eligible to get the Visage. The entire player population won't be farming this meta given how the majority of the game's accounts doesn't even have access to Bound by Blood. A great number is also banned because they were gold sellers.

    And you’re basing this on what? GW2Efficiency data?

    In order to -try- to get the Visage you must have at least one level 80 character, to play in the zone properly. Having finished the episode is a must too (or at least the first instance), it includes acquisition of both expansions (now that Heart of Thorns is bundled with Path of Fire) . You are gonna tell me now, that there is a player out there that is farming this meta for this specific item, even though they have two full expansions and a complete core game to play? I find that really unlikely, those that are bothered with that are finished with the rest of the game.

    Yes, those subset of players you described will likely not play. You have no idea what percentage of the population those players are.

    So yes the gw2efficiency are very much representative of the population that dropped the Visages. Also, as I said 80% of the game's population in the 35k AP range have a gw2efficiency account. I'm willing to bet that those achievement hunters run the meta more times than the rest of the playerbase combined.

    You have no way of knowing if it’s representative. It’s not just AP hunters that farm metas. The AP hunters are not representative of the rest of the player population.

  • Guild Wars 2 has always had a problem with rare high-value drops and their particular drop rates. To give you an example, I've played for 7 years and I think I've only received 2, maybe three, legendary precursors from drops.

    Now, infusions are a whole other ball game with how massively expensive they can become, they're even rarer than precursors imo. If you get even a moderatly desirable infusion, it can approach the cost of a fully built legendary or even surpass it. And it's just one item! I'm glad that these pseudo Lottery items exist and I'm glad that they're worth something, they're just so infrequently accessed that it's more of a reminder of how this games rewards structure are so disparate.

    Sure, they're basically just a cosmetic item with a slight attribute bonus, but it's all about the appearance here. For an item to have basically no functional capacity Beyond its appearance, sure it sucks that it doesn't drop more often, but I'm not very keen on loot rewards the way they currently exist, especially with how infrequently some drop.

    Potential requires action in order to be realized.

  • Ol Nik.2518Ol Nik.2518 Member ✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    It’s whether those 200K accounts are representative of the entire player population.

    As I said, they are about the 10% to 20% of the players that play this game and are eligible to get the Visage. The entire player population won't be farming this meta given how the majority of the game's accounts doesn't even have access to Bound by Blood. A great number is also banned because they were gold sellers.

    In order to -try- to get the Visage you must have at least one level 80 character, to play in the zone properly. Having finished the episode is a must too (or at least the first instance), it includes acquisition of both expansions (now that Heart of Thorns is bundled with Path of Fire) . You are gonna tell me now, that there is a player out there that is farming this meta for this specific item, even though they have two full expansions and a complete core game to play? I find that really unlikely, those that are bothered with that are finished with the rest of the game.

    So yes the gw2efficiency are very much representative of the population that dropped the Visages. Also, as I said 80% of the game's population in the 35k AP range have a gw2efficiency account. I'm willing to bet that those achievement hunters run the meta more times than the rest of the playerbase combined.

    Edit: Arenanet told us there 11 million accounts. Using the official leaderboards you can see that 10% of the accounts have 2.7k AP+, which means 1.1 million accounts. 2.7k AP is literally nothing, especially for owners of both expansions. You will get more than that if you casually finish the core game and the 2 expansions (and maybe a couple of ls episodes) provided you don't do any dailies. If you include dailies, you need just 270 days to reach that point with dailies alone...

    Gw2efficiency users are probably representative of the subset of the GW2 community that is dedicated to the game and pursues achievements. However, they might not be representative of the entire player population and, therefore, might not reflect accurately players that have dropped the helmets. One does not need to farm meta to drop the helmet. Farmers have higher chances of eventually getting one due to the increased number of boxes they open, but it does not mean that only farmers get helmets. Moreover, the lower the drop rate the less it matters whether you farm metas or not.

    The episode has been released just recently and we do know that the drop rates are very low, so it is hard to make estimates at this time. However, I believe that a combination of gw2efficiency statistics with TP statistics and prices will produce a better representation of the situation with helmets than gw2efficiency data alone.

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