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OPTIONAL Premium and housing

reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
edited October 10, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

A company needs money for development, it's natural. The MMO market is not as dynamic as it used to be.

GW2 offers lots of stuff for free, that's great.

My idea is, let ArenaNet send a survey to every user what he thinks about the optional PREMIUM game model.
Every free user will have access to the entire game, both the cradle and the extras.

Let Premium cost no more than $ 9.99 (i.e. less than in WoW).

What must PREMIUM offer?

  • free mount skin every month
  • a few crystals for shopping from the store
  • own piece of the world, or home. Only premium owners will have their own home. When the premium expires, we lose access to the house (as in Albion Online), but the house does not delete (as in Final Fantasy XIV).

There will be additional opportunities to buy home furnishings in the store.

Let there be a new profession for players, available to everyone, the production of home items.

Premium will be available for purchase ONLY and only by real currency, not by exchanging gold for crystals.

GW2 has a large user base who will be happy to pay for their game to develop.

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Comments

  • I disagree with having a premium. It's not something I would invest in.

    There's already too much useless junk in the Gem Store as it is. Mainly because I can't use it or don't see the relevance to the dlc item that Anet is advertising. Now if they add a flying mount for sale that is similar to the Skyscale, than yea....I would buy it. But than again Anet isn't like Bethesda at all and they don't add in special weapons and armor that make you like a demi god in the game.

    Now if you want those things. Play Skyrim with mods.

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    Housing is something that many MMO games have.... hmmm... So You want have BUG game updates, You want have Expansions packs?
    But You just don't want pay money for anything?

    This game will die, not because of ArenaNet, just because people who want only for free. Wake up people. Wake up.

    Give em a marriage system - this system is also in many mmo games.

    Anet isn't like Bethesda at all and they don't add in special weapons and armor that make you like a demi god in the game. - they also don't have this things.

    I think some of You need try different games, see what system they have.

    ArenNet need monetization system better they then have now... or they end like Wildstar.

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @googel.3278 said:
    lets make more pixels for the role players for their pretend characters!

    This is what we call RP (role playing)

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am pumping real money into the game every month, because I like it. But I am against that 'premium' idea. I would like to be able to customize my home instance a bit tbh - and I would pay for that priviledge. But it is something I can happily live without.

    I pumping money also every month, like 20$ every month even if i don't need. Because i like game. This is why i post this idea, because i like GW2 and i don't want see this game dead.
    And also i see what is trendy now in MMO games - housing.

    But it is something I can happily live without. exactly this is why i call this OPTIONAL - not everyone need housing (i never like this in any mmo game, for my it's just waste of time) but i know many people love this thing, and in some games they pay only to have this.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wildstar ended up like it did because of which community they tried to target, the massive hardcore minority, GW2 will end up that way if it drives out the massive playerbase it has due to going P2doanything.

    And did you miss the part where i put money into this game? probably more than most players have.

    Housing, and marriage dont interest me, certainly not enough to pay a idiotic thing like "Premium" for, when those things should be added to expansions if they get added all.

    Weapons and armor that make you a demi god, thank goodness they dont exist here.

    I want story, new skills, new maps, mechanics, weapon types, also things that should be in expansions.

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    Ember Wandertooth; The Kingslayer, Kianda Redpaw; The Blazing Light
    Why GW is Called Guildwars

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @Dante.1763 said:
    Housing, and marriage dont interest me, certainly not enough to pay a idiotic thing like "Premium" for, when those things should be added to expansions if they get added all.

    My god... Yes! This is why i call this OPTIONAL - you don't need this, You don't like this, like ME. But is many, many people who love this and want and they can just come to game only because of the housing system.

    Thanks to this people ArenNet make more money and they can invest this money for things You want like story, raids etc.

    ** should be in expansions.** too make this you need MONEY.

  • Taygus.4571Taygus.4571 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @reative.4093 said:
    Unfortunately, a large proportion of players of this type of games (f2p) are children who have no idea how the world of adults works.

    Where's your evidence for such an assumption and generalisation?

    My idea is, let ArenaNet send a survey to every user what he thinks about the optional PREMIUM game model.
    Every free user will have access to the entire game, both the cradle and the extras.

    Let Premium cost no more than $ 9.99 (i.e. less than in WoW).

    What must PREMIUM offer?

    • free mount skin every month

    So a mount skin thats cheaper than what they're selling them for...plus more things? HAHAHAHAHAHaHAHAHAHA

    • a few crystals for shopping from the store

    gems you mean?

    • own piece of the world, or home. Only premium owners will have their own home. When the premium expires, we lose access to the house (as in Albion Online), but the house does not delete (as in Final Fantasy XIV).

    Id be ok with this...but unlikely...would make sense to give access to home free, but make crafting decorations for it pricy so it encourages gems to gold...or buy decor from the gem store.

    There will be additional opportunities to buy home furnishings in the store.

    ok

    Let there be a new profession for players, available to everyone, the production of home items.

    no, just use jewelers. or scribe

    Premium will be available for purchase ONLY and only by real currency, not by exchanging gold for gems.

    GW2 has a large user base who will be happy to pay for their game to develop.

    you can do this by buying gems.

    Free users will whine, of course. Because, according to them, everything should be free (but they will one day grow up and understand that they pay for life).

    assumption again....I think most ftp players evertually by the expansion because there only so much ro do in core before you get bored.

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    A quick search of the forums will reveal both of these options requested in existing threads you can add your voice to.
    Characterizing people who would rather not pay a sub fee as "children" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your message.

    Cheap people is better? But in f2p games play many kids, because it's F2P.

    And be kids is nothing bad, games for everyone. But the problem is that kids, because they are young they don't pay bills. So they don't understand why someone want you pay for something and don't give You this for free.

  • @Dante.1763 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    A quick search of the forums will reveal both of these options requested in existing threads you can add your voice to.
    Characterizing people who would rather not pay a sub fee as "children" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your message.

    Cheap people is better? But in f2p games play many kids, because it's F2P.

    Statistics on that please?

    Use google my friend if You don't believe in this. Make some research.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2019

    Star Wars: The Old Republic has this. We don't want that.

    After giving it some thought: Such ultra-realism, having to pay rent on a virtual house as well as your real house.

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    A quick search of the forums will reveal both of these options requested in existing threads you can add your voice to.
    Characterizing people who would rather not pay a sub fee as "children" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your message.

    Cheap people is better? But in f2p game play many kids, because it's F2P.

    I find your preconceptions and inability to use the forum search function childish.

    Thats ok. Thank You.

  • miraude.2107miraude.2107 Member ✭✭✭

    No premium versions (did that with a free to play game and it's been a year and a half and they STILL haven't added anything new for premium members but a ton of cash shop kitten), no 'optional' subs that are basically a way to gut the main game to make it mandatory. No. Just no.

    Want revenue? Give us a free housing instance and put custom furniture and kitten in the shop while allowing access to the rest via crafting the way ESO is set up. (Get the Balthazar furniture set for 1200 gems, includes a statue of Balthy, forged furniture and his dogs to place where you see fit.) Hell, just copy ESO's whole model (I've stated before the Earthtear Cavern carries a $100 price tag) and improve on it cause I know ArenaNet can rock that out so much better than Zeni has. Not only would that give crafting a nice boost with new items to make, it'd give a new way to make gold in game and we can see how creative everyone is with random objects (I still have screenshots of the Futurama plot I found in Wildstar that had Bender fighting the stabby robot!).

  • Seera.5916Seera.5916 Member ✭✭✭

    @reative.4093 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am pumping real money into the game every month, because I like it. But I am against that 'premium' idea. I would like to be able to customize my home instance a bit tbh - and I would pay for that priviledge. But it is something I can happily live without.

    I pumping money also every month, like 20$ every month even if i don't need. Because i like game. This is why i post this idea, because i like GW2 and i don't want see this game dead.
    And also i see what is trendy now in MMO games - housing.

    But many of us would take our money and go elsewhere.

    Would the number who buy the premium outweigh those of us that leave?

  • @Dante.1763 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    A quick search of the forums will reveal both of these options requested in existing threads you can add your voice to.
    Characterizing people who would rather not pay a sub fee as "children" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your message.

    Cheap people is better? But in f2p games play many kids, because it's F2P.

    Statistics on that please?

    Use google my friend if You don't believe in this. Make some research.

    Its the responsibility of the person providing the claim to present the data.

    Oh God... I wish ArenNet best and i hope with community like this i see here... They survey next 10 years. Have a great day all.

    Thanks to You i see how wrong i was.

  • @Seera.5916 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am pumping real money into the game every month, because I like it. But I am against that 'premium' idea. I would like to be able to customize my home instance a bit tbh - and I would pay for that priviledge. But it is something I can happily live without.

    I pumping money also every month, like 20$ every month even if i don't need. Because i like game. This is why i post this idea, because i like GW2 and i don't want see this game dead.
    And also i see what is trendy now in MMO games - housing.

    But many of us would take our money and go elsewhere.

    Would the number who buy the premium outweigh those of us that leave?

    I think is better try then just sitting, complaining and do nothing.

  • Seera.5916Seera.5916 Member ✭✭✭

    @reative.4093 said:

    @Seera.5916 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am pumping real money into the game every month, because I like it. But I am against that 'premium' idea. I would like to be able to customize my home instance a bit tbh - and I would pay for that priviledge. But it is something I can happily live without.

    I pumping money also every month, like 20$ every month even if i don't need. Because i like game. This is why i post this idea, because i like GW2 and i don't want see this game dead.
    And also i see what is trendy now in MMO games - housing.

    But many of us would take our money and go elsewhere.

    Would the number who buy the premium outweigh those of us that leave?

    I think is better try then just sitting, complaining and do nothing.

    Or just maybe they should offer decent items in their Gem store and give good quality content out for free.

    Like is their current policy. Whether they succeed at that or not is subjective.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reative.4093 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    A quick search of the forums will reveal both of these options requested in existing threads you can add your voice to.
    Characterizing people who would rather not pay a sub fee as "children" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your message.

    Cheap people is better? But in f2p games play many kids, because it's F2P.

    Statistics on that please?

    Use google my friend if You don't believe in this. Make some research.

    Its the responsibility of the person providing the claim to present the data.

    Oh God... I wish ArenNet best and i hope with community like this i see here... They survey next 10 years. Have a great day all.

    Thanks to You i see how wrong i was.

    i do to, considering how much i put into this game every month :D

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    Ember Wandertooth; The Kingslayer, Kianda Redpaw; The Blazing Light
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  • googel.3278googel.3278 Member ✭✭✭

    @reative.4093 said:

    @googel.3278 said:
    lets make more pixels for the role players for their pretend characters!

    This is what we call RP (role playing)

    you dont say

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @googel.3278 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @googel.3278 said:
    lets make more pixels for the role players for their pretend characters!

    This is what we call RP (role playing)

    you dont say

    Too late... i just said that.

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @Seera.5916 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @Seera.5916 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am pumping real money into the game every month, because I like it. But I am against that 'premium' idea. I would like to be able to customize my home instance a bit tbh - and I would pay for that priviledge. But it is something I can happily live without.

    I pumping money also every month, like 20$ every month even if i don't need. Because i like game. This is why i post this idea, because i like GW2 and i don't want see this game dead.
    And also i see what is trendy now in MMO games - housing.

    But many of us would take our money and go elsewhere.

    Would the number who buy the premium outweigh those of us that leave?

    I think is better try then just sitting, complaining and do nothing.

    Or just maybe they should offer decent items in their Gem store and give good quality content out for free.

    Like is their current policy. Whether they succeed at that or not is subjective.

    Sure, this is why ESO have so many players - they offer there so many things for FREE (just in case - they don't, You pay there for every little fragment of content and people pay... WHY? Becouse is a GOOD QUALITY CONTENT).
    If You want GOOD QUALITY CONTENT You need pay for this content. Why? Because someone need make this content and this someone need get money for that work, to pay his house rent.

  • @googel.3278 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @googel.3278 said:

    @reative.4093 said:

    @googel.3278 said:
    lets make more pixels for the role players for their pretend characters!

    This is what we call RP (role playing)

    you dont say

    Too late... i just said that.

    dont remember talking with you on the phone

    Hahaha - i love this Community :)

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    We need no sim guild wars. The game just isnt solid enough to warrant a subscription.

  • reative.4093reative.4093 Member ✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @Donari.5237 said:
    There are a lot of problems with this idea. I'll focus on this one: you want players to lose access to something they paid for unless they keep paying. That is completely against this game's design. A selling point of GW2 is that you can leave for a while and come back without having lost any progress. Any unlocks on your account will be waiting for you, as available as on the day you left. (Minor exceptions: the rare case where a skin is altered, such as Flamekissed).

    This game have 7y old... WORLD around is changing, business is changing, cost is changing. if you don't evolve, You die.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reative.4093 said:

    @Donari.5237 said:
    There are a lot of problems with this idea. I'll focus on this one: you want players to lose access to something they paid for unless they keep paying. That is completely against this game's design. A selling point of GW2 is that you can leave for a while and come back without having lost any progress. Any unlocks on your account will be waiting for you, as available as on the day you left. (Minor exceptions: the rare case where a skin is altered, such as Flamekissed).

    This game have 7y old... WORLD around is changing, business is changing, cost is changing. if you don't evolve, You die.

    Change for the sake of change isn't evolution, it's random flailing. They've introduced plenty of changes, most of which have improved the game, but almost all of which have been consistent with their core principles. If you believe you have a wonderful way to improve their revenue while keeping players happy with spending time and money on the game, then go ahead and apply to work for them, get to know their non-public information and researches, and boost them into seven more profitable, engaging years.

    Besides, the changes you are pushing for -- more microtransactions sucking at wallets -- are ones that a sizable, vociferous amount of the playerbase is increasingly agitating against in this and other games. It may be an evolutionary dead end.

  • I wish You best guys! It was pleasure :D

    But enough for me. Just put some idea. I understand You can't like it. it's totally ok.

    I hope one day someone find so great idea that save this game :)

  • googel.3278googel.3278 Member ✭✭✭

    @reative.4093 said:
    I wish You best guys! It was pleasure :D

    But enough for me. Just put some idea. I understand You can't like it. it's totally ok.

    I hope one day someone find so great idea that save this game :)

    ok

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭

    Ultima Online - Had fully customizable housing down to the flooring and wall layout by floor. It was a giant hit most people loved it. In UO you could go into other peoples homes if they left the front door unlocked or place vendors to sell your stuff. It was a giant hit. If anything GW2 is behind the times because UO came out when dial up was still a thing...

    I would like to see a map with explore able housing. If that ever happens then they can take my money.

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  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There already is an optional premium if you want to pay one. Just buy a set amount of gems each month and spend it on stuff you like.
    As for housing, I don't see any use for it. I'm not big into RP either, I'd rather be somewhere in the open world playing with the community or for myself than spending time in an istance alone. To each their own on this one I guess.
    Also it has been proven over time that a F2P model with a gemshop generally generates more income than a game with a monthly fee attached to it.

    If you want X, and Y is needed to get get X, you also have to want Y if you really want X. If you don't want Y, you don't want X. It's easy.
    Pro: Build Templates, Dungeon Rework, UW content
    Contra: New Races, New Classes, New Weapons, Capes

  • Tsakhi.8124Tsakhi.8124 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2019

    Does Premium give you ice cream? 'Cause I like ice cream. Never mind the fact it's Fall. Shhh. In all seriousness, I think premium accounts would be a mixed blessing. On one hand, you could, very well, drum up more revenue at first, but then other, less savory, things start to crop up with the Premium vs. Free and inevitably there will be another huge debacle. And to be quite honest, if a child has to work 8- 14 hours a day, I feel sorry for the kid. :(

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  • No, no, no, no, no, no, no...did I say no? well.....No!

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reative.4093 said:
    A company needs money for development, it's natural. The MMO market is not as dynamic as it used to be.

    GW2 offers lots of stuff for free, that's great.

    My idea is, let ArenaNet send a survey to every user what he thinks about the optional PREMIUM game model.
    Every free user will have access to the entire game, both the cradle and the extras.

    Let Premium cost no more than $ 9.99 (i.e. less than in WoW).

    What must PREMIUM offer?

    • free mount skin every month
    • a few crystals for shopping from the store
    • own piece of the world, or home. Only premium owners will have their own home. When the premium expires, we lose access to the house (as in Albion Online), but the house does not delete (as in Final Fantasy XIV).

    There will be additional opportunities to buy home furnishings in the store.

    Let there be a new profession for players, available to everyone, the production of home items.

    Premium will be available for purchase ONLY and only by real currency, not by exchanging gold for crystals.

    GW2 has a large user base who will be happy to pay for their game to develop.

    For the thousandth time that someone has brought this up...NO, absolutely not, the game was sold on no subscription(like the original) and it's one of the primary reasons people play it. You might have taken the time to use the search function to look up the other times people have suggested premium, subscription, etc., options before starting your own new thread.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • Sojourner.4621Sojourner.4621 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2019

    @miraude.2107 said:

    No premium versions (did that with a free to play game and it's been a year and a half and they STILL haven't added anything new for premium members but a ton of cash shop kitten), no 'optional' subs that are basically a way to gut the main game to make it mandatory. No. Just no.

    Want revenue? Give us a free housing instance and put custom furniture and kitten in the shop while allowing access to the rest via crafting the way ESO is set up. (Get the Balthazar furniture set for 1200 gems, includes a statue of Balthy, forged furniture and his dogs to place where you see fit.) Hell, just copy ESO's whole model (I've stated before the Earthtear Cavern carries a $100 price tag) and improve on it cause I know ArenaNet can rock that out so much better than Zeni has. Not only would that give crafting a nice boost with new items to make, it'd give a new way to make gold in game and we can see how creative everyone is with random objects (I still have screenshots of the Futurama plot I found in Wildstar that had Bender fighting the stabby robot!).

    I mean, I don't really support a premium model either... but stating that they shouldn't have one and then telling people to look at a game with a premium subscription as an example isn't really a great way to get this point across. "Hell, just copy ESOs whole model" would literally have them lock our crafting material storage behind a $15 a month fee.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    No, thank you very much. Of all the possible monetization systems, the "optional subscription" ones are the worst, as they have the bad sides of both subscription and f2p/b2p systems, without their advantages.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Plenty of threads on this already all of which had been vehemently rejected by the community. No matter what benefits you include, the perception will exist of a change to a sub model. It doesn't matter how you explain it - that perception will be enough to irreparably damage the game at this stage of its life.

    Anet have said a couple of years back they have no intention of adding an optional sub anyway, so the point and suggestion is moot

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  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2019

    @reative.4093 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    A quick search of the forums will reveal both of these options requested in existing threads you can add your voice to.
    Characterizing people who would rather not pay a sub fee as "children" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your message.

    Cheap people is better? But in f2p games play many kids, because it's F2P.

    And be kids is nothing bad, games for everyone. But the problem is that kids, because they are young they don't pay bills. So they don't understand why someone want you pay for something and don't give You this for free.

    Neither cheap not a kid. I just prefer to pay for what I want, how often I feel it justified. I don't need an "optional" premium package lumping a bunch of features into a pack that I can only buy (or worse yet, rent) all or none. This game is doing fine with letting me buy exactly what I want for my game, nothing more, nothing less.

    @reative.4093 said:

    @Donari.5237 said:
    There are a lot of problems with this idea. I'll focus on this one: you want players to lose access to something they paid for unless they keep paying. That is completely against this game's design. A selling point of GW2 is that you can leave for a while and come back without having lost any progress. Any unlocks on your account will be waiting for you, as available as on the day you left. (Minor exceptions: the rare case where a skin is altered, such as Flamekissed).

    This game have 7y old... WORLD around is changing, business is changing, cost is changing. if you don't evolve, You die.

    Going back to outdated concepts games used to depend upon years ago isn't exactly what I'd call evolution.

    I can assure you I have played a lot of games, with both mandatory and optional subscriptions (premium, vip access, however you want to call it), some of them for many years, but every single one of them, when you look at it objectively, was selling me stuff I neither wanted nor needed to justify charging a higher price for the stuff I actually wanted because it was only available as a package deal.

  • MikeG.6389MikeG.6389 Member ✭✭✭

    What you are proposing is a subscription fee. Anet's business model is in the exact opposite direction.
    Nope. Not a chance in hell.

    You want them to turn GW2 into any other MMO. If you want housing, go play a game that has it. Anet will never implement a system just because it's "trendy". They would want to put their own spin on it while maintaining the identity of the game.

    Consider mounts, for example. In any other MMO (that I played) mounts basically serve only one function: speed boost. Anet could have very easily added the horse as a mount and be done with it. Instead, they made them unique with abilities that give players certain advantages depending on which one they are using and integrated them in a way that worked best with the already established world. Does this approach make you believe Anet would do housing just because every other MMO has it?

    And again, a hard no on the sub fee.

  • Game of Bones.8975Game of Bones.8975 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Please lock this post before someone says "NO" again.

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  • Regh.8649Regh.8649 Member ✭✭✭

    The moment GW2 considers such path, I'm out and so is my humble money contribuition, yes it is that simple, not a threat, not an attention call, I'm simply out.
    Worst... I won't give my stuff.

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  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2019

    @reative.4093 said:
    Housing is something that many MMO games have.... hmmm... So You want have BUG game updates, You want have Expansions packs?
    But You just don't want pay money for anything?

    This game will die, not because of ArenaNet, just because people who want only for free. Wake up people. Wake up.

    Give em a marriage system - this system is also in many mmo games.

    Anet isn't like Bethesda at all and they don't add in special weapons and armor that make you like a demi god in the game. - they also don't have this things.

    I think some of You need try different games, see what system they have.

    ArenNet need monetization system better they then have now... or they end like Wildstar.

    I play 3 other MMO's and for me GW2 has by far the better model, the better combat system, the best art, the best VO, the best maintenance schedule, the best downtime... it just has a really bad Guild Hall and deco system as well as far too much reliance on its heavily loaded dice roll.
    Yes there are many things other games do well, but there are many things that GW2 does well that other games could consider utilising.. but if all games had the same systems, mechanics and offerings we would still find something to complain about.
    I say no to a premium, it is ANETs B2P model that shook MMO's up because they dared to be different and there is no need to reverse on that. The gemstore sells fluff, the last thing we need is P2W BS and thus far they have never had to go down that route, which suggests they are still doing something right.

    Are there issues with the game.. yeah I think so
    Are there aspects I really think they could of / should of done better - definitely
    Will that change if there were a sub - no - and if you want evidence of that then take a look around the sub games and come back and tell us they don't have the same cries for improvement, whines about balance, dislike of their own cash shop shenanigans.

    BTW - Wildstar was Carbine Studios not ANET. How they chose to model their game and run with NCSoft is not the same as was proven by its early demise.

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