2 mesmers and necromancer = what 12 targets to try to find correct one ?

Finding your target with tabulator in that situation is impossible.

Also premade groups vs random ppl kinda destroys all the fun in PvP I rather play something else. And FYI i mean it both ways around.. being in the premade group owning randoms is boring too.

That's why when you look at good streamer, they don't tab select but mouse select.

@DeerHunter.4129 said:Finding your target with tabulator in that situation is impossible.

Also premade groups vs random ppl kinda destroys all the fun in PvP I rather play something else. And FYI i mean it both ways around.. being in the premade group owning randoms is boring too.

thats why people STILL whine on mesmer, if you tab select targets, you are doing something wrong.

i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

... just target the necromancer????

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

it literarly takes like 0,05s to target someone if you are fast.and finding right mesmer should take longer then 0,2s if you know what to look for.OFC if there is 3 of them in the same teamfight it would be MUCH MUCH harder to find them, but then again you have 3 teammates that can aoe wipe all those clones or just put retal + reflect and make all of them uterrly useless. OP made it sound as if he hwas 1v4 and had problem targeting.

The targeting system is pretty atrocious in GW2. Mes are suppose to confuse opponents with illusions that is its class mechanic, but necro minions (which is much more than 3 clones) are not suppose to do that and is unintended imo. Minions shouldn't even be able to be single targetable in the first place.

@Megametzler.5729 said:... just target the necromancer????

Beat me to it... lol

@Megametzler.5729 said:... just target the necromancer????

Must be a mesmer disguised as a necromancer.

I think he run into a minion necro and it just blew his mind so lost that fight went far and a mes went. Want to see a magic trick boom now there is 5 of me and gues what here’s my my friend and boom 5 more. And it just blows his/her mind

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

I dunno about that man. Usually, human response takes a minimum 0.2 secs. It is highly unlikely you will be able to visually distinguish the Mesmer from the illusions in less than 0.5 secs.

I do agree however this is not remotely an issue. And 2 mesmers in one team, against an enemy team with regular class distribution is at a disadvantage. Heck, with Mesmer current stat zero Mesmer on any team is idle.

@otto.5684 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

I main mesmer so i dont have issues finding real one. Every single move you make gives your position away, you dont actually have to LOOK for one, see attack coming? you dodge, dodge takes 0,75s thats WAY more then you need to find the mesmer right? and how many actual abilities that shuffle you and cloes does mesmer have in 1 build? at best 2.the thing is, most people dont know what to look for, when mesmer is on staff and uses staff 2, I as a mesmer player know its the one at the back, while someone new wont know. stealths? most have distinguishable animations, and when leaving stealth, clones appear differently then the real mesmer so thats nonissue.the ONLY actual abilities that give no tells that I personally know are : axe 3, and that random evade tp into ambush. one puts you at melee so its a nono, and the other just yeets you in random places and can lose you the game.

@DeerHunter.4129 said:Finding your target with tabulator in that situation is impossible.

Welcome to gw2 2019 pvp complain level ...

Pro tip ! Theres a key target to use in the option menu called Previous enemy. E.g you have the right mesmer targeted and he stealths,reveals 3 sec later ,you press Previous target and it instantly selects him again even with 10 clones in your face. Can make all the difference in the world,and like others said it's better to mouse click select instead of using tab targeting besides using Previous enemy.

@Vague Memory.2817 said:The targeting system is pretty atrocious in GW2. Mes are suppose to confuse opponents with illusions that is its class mechanic, but necro minions (which is much more than 3 clones) are not suppose to do that and is unintended imo. Minions shouldn't even be able to be single targetable in the first place.

I remember a long time ago when I was playing chrono (badly) I moa'd someone's minion. Hahaha. It happens. lol

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@otto.5684 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

I think there is a misunderstanding, 0.5sec is extremely fast. It is probably not possible for a human to able to identify something and react faster than that. In other words, it is not difficult at all to figure out the real Mesmer and be able to focus fire them easily. And if someone does, it is typically a lack of experience.

@otto.5684 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@otto.5684 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Zawn.9647 said:i mean... not using the mouse (when a shortcut exists) is the most efficient way of playing almost any game - its just ridiculous that a class that REQUIRES you to use a mouse for targeting even exists in the first place :)

it 100% is!,https://www.topendsports.com/testing/reaction-timer-screen.htmi get about 290ms, while being dead tired.the test also waits long enough that you lose focus, that doesnt happen in a fight. so more of 250ms or much faster is possible.

The most annoying part about Cluttermancers is the limit of your cleave capabilities and having crits wasted on junk.

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@DeerHunter.4129 said:Finding your target with tabulator in that situation is impossible.

Also premade groups vs random ppl kinda destroys all the fun in PvP I rather play something else. And FYI i mean it both ways around.. being in the premade group owning randoms is boring too.

Exactly, my first error with mesmer was that i still use tab to target him... so everytime i hit a clone.

@Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@DeerHunter.4129 said:Finding your target with tabulator in that situation is impossible.

Also premade groups vs random ppl kinda destroys all the fun in PvP I rather play something else. And FYI i mean it both ways around.. being in the premade group owning randoms is boring too.

its fine to make mistakes, we all do. but its not fine to balance mesmer around everyone just targeting them inproperly.

I agree with most of the other comments here... simple Aoe and all the adds are gone for the most part... 1v3 is going to be tough no matter what 3v3 there should be enough AoE that clones and minions shouldn't last more than a few seconds.... as for not wanting to mouse target... I think your forgetting that this game does need to have some skill 2 it and pressing tab for all fights does not lend to that....

@Nova.3817 said:I agree with most of the other comments here... simple Aoe and all the adds are gone for the most part... 1v3 is going to be tough no matter what 3v3 there should be enough AoE that clones and minions shouldn't last more than a few seconds.... as for not wanting to mouse target... I think your forgetting that this game does need to have some skill 2 it and pressing tab for all fights does not lend to that....

in teamfights sometimes its not even possible to scepter block -> f4 shatter let alone have 3 clones up at all times :Dgenerarly in large scale fights most condi/power will stay at a distancce and have clones close to them due to that, so if its several mesmers you will see couple of blobs of clones

Oh! And why on Earth must we mess with targeting in addition to mesmer's absurdly mobility/stealth/condi spam abilities?Face the truth - it's bad class to play against - not enjoyable, very bad game-design.Please, understand, I can die 7 times out of 10 vs Spellbreaker/Revenant on my Guardian, but still, I will enjoy every fight because it's pretty close.To adress this cancer issue I'd make clones to differ from it's generator: like removing their names (texts), making them translucent, try different colour of clones names etc..Also, it's ranged attacks for some reason are unblockable (when I pop my shield#5 - get hits from Mesmers every time) - now that's really stupid!Temporary fixes against Mesmers I've found - Warrior's shout "On My Mark!" (works on stealthy monkeys condi-thiefs too), using Burn Guardian's build Torch#4 (which pulsing Burning 3 time around bearer).

@"Ashimmu.4219" said:Oh! And why on Earth must we mess with targeting in addition to mesmer's absurdly mobility/stealth/condi spam abilities?Face the truth - it's bad class to play against - not enjoyable, very bad game-design.Please, understand, I can die 7 times out of 10 vs Spellbreaker/Revenant on my Guardian, but still, I will enjoy every fight because it's pretty close.To adress this cancer issue I'd make clones to differ from it's generator: like removing their names (texts), making them translucent, try different colour of clones names etc..Also, it's ranged attacks for some reason are unblockable (when I pop my shield#5 - get hits from Mesmers every time) - now that's really stupid!Temporary fixes against Mesmers I've found - Warrior's shout "On My Mark!" (works on stealthy monkeys condi-thiefs too), using Burn Guardian's build Torch#4 (which pulsing Burning 3 time around bearer).

your inability to target real mesmer shouldnt make the class unplayable in high tiers of play where players can target.you find mesmers annoying, i find warrior and holo more so, mesmer as a class is very tight with unblockable attacks, 1 is boonrip + condi transfer.gs 2 is alright damage dealing tool deals about 2-4k dmg. and 3rd is disenchanter that is unusable trash.in a world where other classes can just use ability that makes all their attacks unblockable ( warrior ... or is it berserker? ) or CC abilities that knock you down.ele has it, guard has it.and stop with this absurd mobility meme. at this point mesmer is one of the slower builds out there.

They should remove tab target altogearher.