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  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You're positioning yourself as arguing against me when you're essentially saying the same things with different words.

    Namely:

    1) The link between magic and human theology makes magic more popular and available among humans than it might be otherwise.

    2) However, this applies equally to elementalists, necromancers, mesmers, and guardians. Additional factors are necessary to explain differences in popularity among this group.

    Point 1 was made a long time ago, but when talking about the mesmer specifically, rather than magic users in general, we need to recognise point 2. The theological connection alone cannot explain why mesmers might be preferred over, say elementalists. (Noting that it's hard to say with any certainty that they are, but we do seem to see more prominent signs of mesmer magic being used in Kryta while among asura there are more signs of elemental magic being used.)

    And if we go back to the very start of the thread... the largest proportion of pretty much every human military force are warriors, it's just a question of just how high that ratio is. So warriors seem to be the profession most expected to be in combat.

    (Incidentally, on rangers: norn and sylvari definitely seem to be more focused on rangers. Charr I'm not sure about - none of the legions specialise in rangers, but we do see more use of war beasts among the legions than in Ebonhawke or Kryta, which by extension might translate into more rangers to handle them.)

  • @Caro.2730 said:
    I mean, mesmerism is not exactly a brute force, right? Most of them stay among nobles being all manipulative with politics, well, human mesmers at least. Not many npc mesmers are seen in combat. Sometimes I feel weird being a commander mesmer story wise. It's like, why would anything be afraid of me? I'm a woman in a long dress running around with a rapier, creating illusions to confuse stuff.

    I agree with you. Although any mesmer can fight in the field if necessary, they are much more useful by doing other ... non orthodox opperations.
    In the Personal Story episode "Delivering Justice" after defeating the Syska's impersonator - Labwan the Deceiver - we have the following dialogues:
    Character name: Zhaitan's forces must consider the Pact a serious threat. Why else would they be so determined to destroy its leadership and headquarters?
    .....
    Trahearne: Planting a disruptive mesmer among is us far subtler than I expected from Zhaitan. I shall not underestimate the dragon's wiles a second time.

    It seems that the mesmers are more like the special forces also being competent in the intelligence field. A trained assasin can kill Tahearne, but most probably the Pact will find a replacement. And will continue to fight. But if you are able to shatter the confidence of the troops in the decisions of the Pact Headquarter .... you already won the war.

    Again - the mesmers can fight as any other fighter in any situation. But the best use is to give them missions involving deception/infiltration/illusion. I mean espionage missions / special forces raids.

  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2019

    @draxynnic.3719 said:
    You're positioning yourself as arguing against me when you're essentially saying the same things with different words.

    Namely:

    1) The link between magic and human theology makes magic more popular and available among humans than it might be otherwise.

    2) However, this applies equally to elementalists, necromancers, mesmers, and guardians. Additional factors are necessary to explain differences in popularity among this group.

    Point 1 was made a long time ago, but when talking about the mesmer specifically, rather than magic users in general, we need to recognise point 2. The theological connection alone cannot explain why mesmers might be preferred over, say elementalists. (Noting that it's hard to say with any certainty that they are, but we do seem to see more prominent signs of mesmer magic being used in Kryta while among asura there are more signs of elemental magic being used.)

    And if we go back to the very start of the thread... the largest proportion of pretty much every human military force are warriors, it's just a question of just how high that ratio is. So warriors seem to be the profession most expected to be in combat.

    Well no. I don't believe point 2 belongs in the discussion.

    My original point was innate propensity. X as being "shoved in their faces" from religious standpoint alone. It was intended to be a cross-cultural observation. And the political, artisan, magical traditions were just gravy to cement their probable introduction to most humans.

    You wouldn't say rainbows don't have a natural tendency to include red because they equally include other spectral colors. I'm not trying to prove 25% or more of all human spellcasters are Mesmers because unlike your Grenth example, nothing indicates they may have a secret unpopularity. I can't prove there isn't one holding them back anymore than I could prove Lyssa isn't a goddess in our reality, but I can place the burden on anet to show it in game before I consider it.

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