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  • @Tatori.7938 said:
    I want to end on two points:
    1- I am NOT free to play. Do not give me "this is what free players should deal with" kitten that I've seen posted throughout this thread. I own the base game, and have Heart of Thorns and was undecided on Path of Fire until I had read some reviews first.
    2- I am sure as hell not going to buy the expansion pack through force tactics. I remember only buying Heart of Thorns because I could no longer participate in PvP since my class was underpowered without the expansion pack, and everyone told me "Get it for the gliders". I refuse to buy a second expansion in a row for the gimmick of "Get it for the mounts". I don't think Firebrand looks better than Dragonhunter for my play-style, and from the reviews I have read, the new maps are great once, but not re-playable.

    That is just how it is adapt to new content or move on. I've only seen 1 thread about it from the start of PoF and its this one only hand full even concerned even in this one anet listens to majority not minority you'll learn that over time.

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  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2017

    Have fun as you can see they still support and continue buy to play business model what this means is they expect you to eventually buy the game. if they change things from what they are they go against themselves. That be like a christian that didn't believe in god. It even says in that article they expect you to buy the expansions. https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/play-for-free-today/

    Let me qoute this: "Guild Wars 2 remains the same game it always has been. We’re making the core game experience free because we’re confident that anyone who loves Guild Wars 2 will buy Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns." I highly doubt they have changed how they feel for PoF content.

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  • Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

  • @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

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  • @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    I have Path of Fire. It's just my observation for players without it. Every time during the events there's a few death icons far behind the mount train and I can't help but feel sympathy.

  • @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    I have Path of Fire. It's just my observation for players without it. Every time during the events there's a few death icons far behind the mount train and I can't help but feel sympathy.

    I understand the sympathy but like ya'll acting like $30 is alot lol. Really it isn't even if you are a kid with no job or can't work $30 isn't alot of money. This isn't like I said before 1920 or some great depression. Also just stating the facts the truth anet themselves state even backing with proof. hate me all day long but truth will always be the truth.

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  • @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    I have Path of Fire. It's just my observation for players without it. Every time during the events there's a few death icons far behind the mount train and I can't help but feel sympathy.

    I understand the sympathy but like ya'll acting like $30 is alot lol. Really it isn't even if you are a kid with no job or can't work $30 isn't alot of money. This isn't like I said before 1920 or some great depression. Also just stating the facts the truth anet themselves state even backing with proof. hate me all day long but truth will always be the truth.

    The truth is holiday events shouldn't feel like you're being punished for not buying the shiny new thing. They're there to be silly fun stuff. Core players are already keenly aware that they're missing something by not having PoF. They don't need further reminders during the Mad King or Wintersday events. I don't mind them using them to get a lead on events but that ONE event is unfairly based on access to mounts.

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2017

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    I have Path of Fire. It's just my observation for players without it. Every time during the events there's a few death icons far behind the mount train and I can't help but feel sympathy.

    I understand the sympathy but like ya'll acting like $30 is alot lol. Really it isn't even if you are a kid with no job or can't work $30 isn't alot of money. This isn't like I said before 1920 or some great depression. Also just stating the facts the truth anet themselves state even backing with proof. hate me all day long but truth will always be the truth.

    The truth is holiday events shouldn't feel like you're being punished for not buying the shiny new thing. They're there to be silly fun stuff. Core players are already keenly aware that they're missing something by not having PoF. They don't need further reminders during the Mad King or Wintersday events. I don't mind them using them to get a lead on events but that ONE event is unfairly based on access to mounts.

    Hey i understand your concern but I'm not anet arguing with me not really getting you any where at all just sets you up for me to say more truths take it to support if ya concerned might get more attention that way ;)

    Anet's game anet's rules i don't make em i just pointing them out.

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  • @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    I have Path of Fire. It's just my observation for players without it. Every time during the events there's a few death icons far behind the mount train and I can't help but feel sympathy.

    I understand the sympathy but like ya'll acting like $30 is alot lol. Really it isn't even if you are a kid with no job or can't work $30 isn't alot of money. This isn't like I said before 1920 or some great depression. Also just stating the facts the truth anet themselves state even backing with proof. hate me all day long but truth will always be the truth.

    The truth is holiday events shouldn't feel like you're being punished for not buying the shiny new thing. They're there to be silly fun stuff. Core players are already keenly aware that they're missing something by not having PoF. They don't need further reminders during the Mad King or Wintersday events. I don't mind them using them to get a lead on events but that ONE event is unfairly based on access to mounts.

    Hey i understand your concern but I'm not anet arguing with me not really getting you any where at all just sets you up for me to say more truths take it to support if ya concerned might get more attention that way ;)

    I'm not arguing with you. This is a forum of discussion and we're discussing.

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2017

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    I have Path of Fire. It's just my observation for players without it. Every time during the events there's a few death icons far behind the mount train and I can't help but feel sympathy.

    I understand the sympathy but like ya'll acting like $30 is alot lol. Really it isn't even if you are a kid with no job or can't work $30 isn't alot of money. This isn't like I said before 1920 or some great depression. Also just stating the facts the truth anet themselves state even backing with proof. hate me all day long but truth will always be the truth.

    The truth is holiday events shouldn't feel like you're being punished for not buying the shiny new thing. They're there to be silly fun stuff. Core players are already keenly aware that they're missing something by not having PoF. They don't need further reminders during the Mad King or Wintersday events. I don't mind them using them to get a lead on events but that ONE event is unfairly based on access to mounts.

    Hey i understand your concern but I'm not anet arguing with me not really getting you any where at all just sets you up for me to say more truths take it to support if ya concerned might get more attention that way ;)

    I'm not arguing with you. This is a forum of discussion and we're discussing.

    Whats left to actually discuss at this point in the matter? Anet's business model is clear, they stand by what they say. I've never known them not to i been round anet since 2005 with gw1.

    personally wish they'd return to buy to play (the entire game core included) because it would cut all this nonsense and disadvantage out then no one would expect everything to be free.

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  • @GoZero.9708 . I'm glad you can see where players on foot are coming from. We don't expect you to demount or even turn around to help, but just being able to make it in time for the achievement and exotic armor piece would be nice. That's all we want. I was never against mounts in the core game before today also. I fully understood that those who have purchased the expansion pack should be able to use them, but this is unfair and a forceful sales tactic.

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 It feels like a F.O. when players who have chosen to wait on the expansion pack are punished during a seasonal event. Do they plan to ruin Christmas next for everyone who hasn't purchased the expansion also? I can see from your replies you're never going to side with those that do not own the expansion pack, so I'm unsure of whether explaining about someone in a position other than your own would help, but here goes. My analogy of the situation is this: Mounts can help you get to vistas and complete jumping puzzles easier, but I can still get there a lot slower. You can complete events and dailies smoother, but I can still stumble along. This Labyrinth achievement and reward is not possible for those without mounts. No alternatives. This is, and will be seen as P2W for those without the expansion pack. As for your previous comment of "Adapt or move on". That's a great attitude to have for fellow and future players. Anyone who cares about this game wants players to join and enjoy their product, but apparently to you, if they don't buy something they should leave instead of voicing their opinion. It makes me wonder why player counts and sale figures are always lower every quarter.

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2017

    @Tatori.7938 said:
    @GoZero.9708 . I'm glad you can see where players on foot are coming from. We don't expect you to demount or even turn around to help, but just being able to make it in time for the achievement and exotic armor piece would be nice. That's all we want. I was never against mounts in the core game before today also. I fully understood that those who have purchased the expansion pack should be able to use them, but this is unfair and a forceful sales tactic.

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 It feels like a F.O. when players who have chosen to wait on the expansion pack are punished during a seasonal event. Do they plan to ruin Christmas next for everyone who hasn't purchased the expansion also? I can see from your replies you're never going to side with those that do not own the expansion pack, so I'm unsure of whether explaining about someone in a position other than your own would help, but here goes. My analogy of the situation is this: Mounts can help you get to vistas and complete jumping puzzles easier, but I can still get there a lot slower. You can complete events and dailies smoother, but I can still stumble along. This Labyrinth achievement and reward is not possible for those without mounts. No alternatives. This is, and will be seen as P2W for those without the expansion pack. As for your previous comment of "Adapt or move on". That's a great attitude to have for fellow and future players. Anyone who cares about this game wants players to join and enjoy their product, but apparently to you, if they don't buy something they should leave instead of voicing their opinion. It makes me wonder why player counts and sale figures are always lower every quarter.

    refer to here I state how i truly feel on this
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/10848/i-think-allowing-mounts-in-the-lab-was-a-mistake#latest

    It is a different subject than core tyria as a holiday event isnt some permanent feature.
    this thread came long before that event did i will treat it as such. I should have from the start of replying to the other guy it was action without thought hey we all make mistakes its why didn't argue for very long because more we discussed more I realized ya know. I maybe a firm person within an argument but I still have reasoning, compassion and empathy for others.

    Not to be a meany but pay to win is only valid in a competitive environment like PvP or WvW no such thing as pay to win in pve content if you want to argue that point I'll throw down make sure you bring facts to the table and not opinion though.

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  • In my oppinion free players and HoT (so payed to play) players are in a disadvantage because currently mounted (so PoF) players are able to aoe kill event and quest mobs in 1 hit and mount back up fast and keep doing it over and over again leaving no mobs for normal and HoT players to kill, sometimes players are unable to hit even 1 mob to get at least a bronze medal at the end! These OP mount skills need to get a minimum of 60sec or more cooldown so PoF players don't kill all the mobs in an event and leave nothing for other players!

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2017

    @Zordimus.5901 said:
    In my oppinion free players and HoT (so payed to play) players are in a disadvantage because currently mounted (so PoF) players are able to aoe kill event and quest mobs in 1 hit and mount back up fast and keep doing it over and over again leaving no mobs for normal and HoT players to kill, sometimes players are unable to hit even 1 mob to get at least a bronze medal at the end! These OP mount skills need to get a minimum of 60sec or more cooldown so PoF players don't kill all the mobs in an event and leave nothing for other players!

    Ya know the funny thing I don't even use mount attack skills my warrior hits harder than my mounts do when he crits lol. No lie I sometimes depending skill I see 15K crits so ya know..... I can use dual axe skill 5 hit 20K on hot mobs
    Mounts arnt all that though guess in hordes they could be, but what if there was hordes of warriors would you be mad about that?
    Next time i roll my warrior out I'll snap few screen shots on high points of my crits and up date this reply haven't messed with him since got Pof been using my ranger.

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  • @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    Except it has the exact opposite effect of alienating those players who are being told "this content isn't for you unless you give us more money" even though its in what can be considered core content. They are essentially saying that only people who give us more money can get this stuff associated with an event you can do with sub level 80 characters. Its a turn off, full stop. People are always on the look out for "pay to win" scenarios where only people who drop the money can benefit in game, and this is one of those times.

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  • @PookieDaWombat.6209 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    Except it has the exact opposite effect of alienating those players who are being told "this content isn't for you unless you give us more money" even though its in what can be considered core content. They are essentially saying that only people who give us more money can get this stuff associated with an event you can do with sub level 80 characters. Its a turn off, full stop. People are always on the look out for "pay to win" scenarios where only people who drop the money can benefit in game, and this is one of those times.

    It's a bloody expansion. You want something from it, you pay for it like everyone else.
    They don't release expansions all the time and that is one of the biggest ways to support the game excluding gem store purchases which not everyone uses real money to get their gems.
    If someone doesn't want to pay for the expansion, then that is too bad and they can continue doing the ENTIRE REST OF THE LABYRINTH DESIGNED TO BE DONE ON FOOT. This game is buy to play, not free to play. The free version is a trial of the core game, if you want to access all the other things the game has to offer then you buy it. Plain and simple. If someone is turned off by having to buy the game to get a mount which is completely fair for the person who paid for it to use, then honestly they probably had no intention of buying the game anyway and they want a free ride, which isn't going to happen.

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  • Netheren.3261Netheren.3261 Member ✭✭
    edited October 18, 2017

    So the complaint is from people who paid nothing from the game that they didn't pay for an expansion either, and they can't complete a new event for people with the mount to have fun in?

    What about the fun the mounted people get to have since they PAID? Should they not be given any fun as PAYING customers? Surely those who haven't put forth a single cent cant deny the PAYING customer fun?

    Get off your high horse and spend some money.

  • @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @PookieDaWombat.6209 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    @GoZero.9708 said:
    Would have supported the defense of mounts until they added a core event to Mad King tailored to people with mounts and throwing up a middle finger to anybody without them. You know what happens when you race on foot in the labyrinth? All the mounted players finish way before you can hope to reach the three minute timer after the first finish and you have a thousand mobs between you and the goal.

    It's to entice you and give you more reason to buy into the game. not telling you to F.O. it's your perspective and instinct playing into that decision.

    Except it has the exact opposite effect of alienating those players who are being told "this content isn't for you unless you give us more money" even though its in what can be considered core content. They are essentially saying that only people who give us more money can get this stuff associated with an event you can do with sub level 80 characters. Its a turn off, full stop. People are always on the look out for "pay to win" scenarios where only people who drop the money can benefit in game, and this is one of those times.

    It's a bloody expansion. You want something from it, you pay for it like everyone else.
    They don't release expansions all the time and that is one of the biggest ways to support the game excluding gem store purchases which not everyone uses real money to get their gems.
    If someone doesn't want to pay for the expansion, then that is too bad and they can continue doing the ENTIRE REST OF THE LABYRINTH DESIGNED TO BE DONE ON FOOT. This game is buy to play, not free to play. The free version is a trial of the core game, if you want to access all the other things the game has to offer then you buy it. Plain and simple. If someone is turned off by having to buy the game to get a mount which is completely fair for the person who paid for it to use, then honestly they probably had no intention of buying the game anyway and they want a free ride, which isn't going to happen.

    Don't stress to much HQ I've provided links info facts truth reasoning. These people have no care they lust for mounts and if they cant have it they'll do every thing they can to steal that thunder away from those who paid money and support the game. If anet said hey we going back to buy to play model with all of gw2 I'd throw a party cake and beer for everyone.

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  • I love mounts, buy the Expansion if you want them plain and simple that's what all of us did. It's one of the main reasons I purchased. Don't whine if you don't buy it the way I look at it is lots of people pay monthly service charges for a lot of other MMO's with GW & 2 it has always been purchase core and expansion to receive new content. THERE IS NO MONTHLY FEE so I wish people would just be quite already buy it if you want the mounts if not don't play.

  • @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    These people have no care they lust for mounts and if they cant have it they'll do every thing they can to steal that thunder away from those who paid money and support the game.

    As I've mentioned I own both HoT and PoF. Even though I'm still quite a ways from 80 I wanted to show my support for GW2. I've also stated I'm not against mounts but do believe their mount attack needs to be looked at in terms of how it scales. Having learned today that one of the Holiday achievements is centered around having a mount is disappointing. Holiday events are typically meant to be fun fluff that let players of all levels participate and enjoy themselves. It seems the race event has been stacked such that players on mounts have an insurmountable (no pun intended) advantage. That's disappointing. But worse it's also a missed opportunity. Imagine if the event were set up so all players who participated were given a mount to use during the race. Players who might be sitting on the fence would get a taste of using a mount and could have been pushed over the edge to buy PoF.

    It's a shame ANet missed a golden opportunity to entice players who haven't purchased PoF to get an in-game taste of what they're missing.

  • This is absolute kitten, F2P is a trial, ppl who buy xpacs get new things, things to give them an advantage, like glider and mounts, access to new armor stats… and so on.
    Just because some ppl decide not to buy said xpacs, should the rest of the community suffer? Should the game be held back by the ones not financially contributing to the maintenance and further development of this game?
    I think the only thing anet should change is setting a time limit to the free account, say max 30 days, buy the game after that or no more game time.
    Or get rid of F2P all together!
    And I also feel that during this free trial there should be greater limitations.
    Sorry, but this is just how I feel. F2P should never have been a thing in GW2 anyway.

  • @sacredninja.5236 said:
    This is absolute kitten, F2P is a trial, ppl who buy xpacs get new things, things to give them an advantage, like glider and mounts, access to new armor stats… and so on.
    Just because some ppl decide not to buy said xpacs, should the rest of the community suffer? Should the game be held back by the ones not financially contributing to the maintenance and further development of this game?
    I think the only thing anet should change is setting a time limit to the free account, say max 30 days, buy the game after that or no more game time.
    Or get rid of F2P all together!
    And I also feel that during this free trial there should be greater limitations.
    Sorry, but this is just how I feel. F2P should never have been a thing in GW2 anyway.

    I started this game on F2P just before HoT came out and there were a lot of restrictions, I understood it was a free trial and I respect their choices and felt surprised that it was possible to even reach max level in their trial. I was sold once I could transmog and dye armor honestly. At the time, I wouldn't have been able to afford HoT on my own and was just lucky I had a friend who wanted to give gifts to his friends that helped him run a server for the time being when things were really out of control. He bought HoT for me and a friend and it was amazing. I got the deluxe as soon as PoF was announced because I love this game.

    Trialing this game allowed me to find out:

    • I loved the combat and it was friendly by not having too many action skills and friendly to my mouse-clicking kitten
    • The armor is beautiful, I can get creative and make it whatever combination in whatever colours
    • Classes felt good and unique and allowed me to create characters I enjoyed with builds
    • The races were interesting and fun to experience
    • The story was lovely and just what I was looking for
    • Heart system as opposed to quests allowing me to feel like a true hero helping out
    • Casual friendly. I could dedicate time into a much more time consuming MMO but none would be as beautiful and customisable as the Guild Wars 2 experience, I don't have to grind as much compared to other games to get all that I want, but there are still goals that do require grinding and that gives me something to strive for.

    If I didn't get a chance to try it, I may have just listed it under another MMO that I wouldn't enjoy because there were TOO many like that for me.

    The trial is good.
    Trying to act like they are somehow entitled, is not.

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  • Ayumi Spender.1082Ayumi Spender.1082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This might not be the best example, but I somewhat see this as games with DLC.
    I used to be somewhat of an achievement "hunter" in certain games. As in "If I really like the game, I want to 100% it... including achievements" or "To hell with this game. I'm stopping right here."
    There's at times there's a middle ground of "I like this game, but not enough to 100% it" or "Some of these achievements are impossible/super hard and I will never/maybe one day do them."
    GW2 for me is the latter of the middle ground, but forget achievements as that's not the comparison I'm trying to make on GW2...

    Let's say I bought Saints Row IV when it 1st came out and really liked it to the point I wanted to 100% it, even down to the achievements.
    Now... I went through all that and I finally did, but now they added DLC which now changed my 100% to maybe 80%... then they added more DLC and it drops to like 45% and so on and so forth. I could be annoyed as now they put the DLC in the way of me wanting to be a completionist in this situation. I have 2 choices:

    1. I say "Well I 100% the core game so I'm done. Don't care."
    2. I say, "I really liked this game, so I think I'll buy the DLC to get the extra stuff and the achievements as well."

    GW2 is pretty much doing the same thing. There ARE achievements and such that's locked behind PoF content (like the race one), but not all of the content. That, and you have ways as someone pointed out to get some of those items outside of the PoF-needed items.
    With that the choices are simple of just not doing the PoF parts of this event and do whatever else and the stuff you're missing to get or get PoF and play that stuff.

    You also got the choice of leaving any squad/group you see that is mounting straight to the doors and nothing else. I've done this too as I've had twice where they were pretty much a mount train.
    Yes, I have a mount, but I'm getting carved pumpkins and candy corn nodes too. Majority of the groups I see are on foot unless people have to keep up and get on mounts, or most times they just get those nodes/pumpkins and then everyone is free and can't really fall back when everyone's on foot. You might miss let's say the first 5 or 6 doors because you went to get the other things on the map, but after that you should be fine on catching up.

    I'm not fully understanding the argument, but I've seen many ways around these things and it really just sounding a bit like a mixture of anger and jealousy in having mounts allowed. The simple choice... ignore, pay, or.... the other route which I won't recommend to anyone as I'm sure people here is mature enough to not "Well I'll just quit." That last choice is the childish route and I would expect if you're sound enough to be on the game and on the boards, you're willing to have a decent discussion on the matter.

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2017

    @Jaquelidor.2618 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:

    These people have no care they lust for mounts and if they cant have it they'll do every thing they can to steal that thunder away from those who paid money and support the game.

    As I've mentioned I own both HoT and PoF. Even though I'm still quite a ways from 80 I wanted to show my support for GW2. I've also stated I'm not against mounts but do believe their mount attack needs to be looked at in terms of how it scales. Having learned today that one of the Holiday achievements is centered around having a mount is disappointing. Holiday events are typically meant to be fun fluff that let players of all levels participate and enjoy themselves. It seems the race event has been stacked such that players on mounts have an insurmountable (no pun intended) advantage. That's disappointing. But worse it's also a missed opportunity. Imagine if the event were set up so all players who participated were given a mount to use during the race. Players who might be sitting on the fence would get a taste of using a mount and could have been pushed over the edge to buy PoF.

    It's a shame ANet missed a golden opportunity to entice players who haven't purchased PoF to get an in-game taste of what they're missing.

    I understand that, I've already put my voice out there on holiday stuff (theres a link above to a thread with that) just not entirely here because this is a thread came before the event as a whole and speaking more about core tyria base. Holiday is something not here all the time i believe should be kept separate from this thread. Two different subjects. It is a bit derailing to be honest. In my opinion. Why im kinda vague in reply with that guy, is i switch to that thread. Was more direct about the holiday event. I maybe a firm defender of mounts in core base tyria content, but the holiday stuff im bit more compassionate about.
    i maybe a rump hole when it comes to something I deeply believe in, but god did give me a good heart n soul. I am not beyond reasoning, compassion and empathy.

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  • Honestly, the only thing you miss out on with a mount is the move speed.

    It doesn't impact you on the areas where it matters like fractals/raids, PvP/WvW nor does it impact your ability to earn ascended and leg gear.

    So really the people crying for mounts are just complaining about the lack of convenience that we've waited for, for 5 years and expect to have the same convenience at no cost.

  • I read many posts and I still think that GW2 game experience got ruined for those players who would wish to play the core game and HoT (so they have payed to play aswell) content the way it was originally intended. PoF mounts are loved by many players and I think they are cool, but the attack the mounts have are way OP and easy to use, so those mount attacks all need a lot bigger cooldown, minimum a 60sec cooldown on all mount attacks! Lot's of players use mount attacks in low lvl zones, in low lvl events, and normal players have no chance to hit even 1 mob if mounted players aoe kill all that spawn in 1 hit with mount attack, then mount back up run/teleport/jump on mount to next point mobs spawn and aoe kill those aswell in 1 hit aoe mount attack! This happens really often, way too often. I saw someone said they do almost same dmg with weapon skill, but my experience with before PoF and after PoF says otherwise. Before PoF never did any player killed 5 event mobs in 1 aoe hit, (no weapon skill or any other player skill can do that, even if it could, the skill then would have a big cooldown, also players strength is synced down to lower lvl content) sadly with OP mount attacks that don't even have a big cooldown at all, those players can kill massive amounts of mobs in no time at all! Often normal players can't even get a bronze medal since they can't even land 1 hit! Mount attacks are too OP, those are not synced down good enough they aoe kill in 1 hit everything! This has to change, I can't understand how is it possible that this dosn't bother mounted players since they are unable to hit anything eighter (in lower lvl zones) if another mounted player is faster than them, so this is a problem for everyone! Please Anet put a big coodown on all of the mount attacks or greatly lower all mount attack dmg!
    Let lower lvl zones be played as intended by everyone! Please don't ruin the game experience with these OP mount attacks.

  • @Zordimus.5901 said:
    Let lower lvl zones be played as intended by everyone! Please don't ruin the game experience with these OP mount attacks.

    As another said they have planned on tweaking the initiation skills (the only attack mounts have). I haven't followed up on it to see what has been said but they dont hit as hard as like i said my warrior does. I could understand in hordes they could be insane damage wise because unlike warrior everyone has PoF plays with mounts.

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  • I think I have forgot to mention that I will totally buy PoF (I already own HoT) as soon as PoF gets released in a physical form like HoT, (I like to get games in physical form if possible) I still lvl my characters through core game and soon I will get to HoT, I love GW2 so trust me when I say I'm not defending free players when I ask for lower mount dmg. It's simply my everyday experience in core game with my characters encountering mounted players dmg.
    If Anet is already working on tweaking the mount attacks so it's ballanced better for all levels, I'm really happy about that then! ^.^

    In every other aspect I don't think mounts could have a negative effect on free players or HoT players, I don't mind if PoF mounts make it easy for other players to get up to vistas or move around even faster. I prefer to get up to vistas the normal way, and go to places on foot, mounts and teleports make the virtual world experience smaller, but every player can decide for themselves if they want to use mounts and teleports or not! :)

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2017

    @Zordimus.5901 said:
    I think I have forgot to mention that I will totally buy PoF (I already own HoT) as soon as PoF gets released in a physical form like HoT, (I like to get games in physical form if possible) I still lvl my characters through core game and soon I will get to HoT, I love GW2 so trust me when I say I'm not defending free players when I ask for lower mount dmg. It's simply my everyday experience in core game with my characters encountering mounted players dmg.
    If Anet is already working on tweaking the mount attacks so it's ballanced better for all levels, I'm really happy about that then! ^.^

    In every other aspect I don't think mounts could have a negative effect on free players or HoT players, I don't mind if PoF mounts make it easy for other players to get up to vistas or move around even faster. I prefer to get up to vistas the normal way, and go to places on foot, mounts and teleports make the virtual world experience smaller, but every player can decide for themselves if they want to use mounts and teleports or not! :)

    It don't hurt to defend free players, but only when its a legitimate reason. Saying getting to vista being a hurtful advantage of another or even events is assumption no one is hurt for events or champs if people use timer trackers and plan ahead. They could get there before mounters. As for vista so what bob jumped up a cliff while sally had to go about it normal way, who cares? Sally didn't want vista in first place sally wouldn't have bothered anyways. Catch what im trying point out.
    (i know u didn't say that directly on either points I'm using others primary points so bare with me)
    If f2p wanna jump up cliffs they need buy PoF, thats bottom line.

    I'm also standing up for anet's marketing model, because they dont make money where you think we all be in 2+ years from now? We wont be in gw2 you can bet on that.

    btw PoF is great expansion, even without mounts. When i first started for some reason i didn't like it, now it grew on me I've been getting my hardcore cravings for it, so far I'm resisting. I'm afraid I'd get burnt out, so trying hard to keep it casual lol.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm also standing up for anet's marketing model, because they dont make money where you think we all be in 2+ years from now? We wont be in gw2 you can bet on that.

    ... I bet we will, lol. All MMOs for the last 4 years have basicly been "when this comes out, GW2 is dead!" in the forums and they just... evaporated. Especially games aimed at "making money" (ie subscriptions).

    Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2017

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    I'm also standing up for anet's marketing model, because they dont make money where you think we all be in 2+ years from now? We wont be in gw2 you can bet on that.

    ... I bet we will, lol. All MMOs for the last 4 years have basicly been "when this comes out, GW2 is dead!" in the forums and they just... evaporated. Especially games aimed at "making money" (ie subscriptions).

    You missed read what i said. Had nothing to do with other games if anet quit bringing in money (from xpacs or even IM) what do you think would happen to the game?
    I give it benefit of the doubt, say it might last longer than 2 years based on that. Don't see it going past 3 years based entirely on that scenario.
    They would probably treat it like gw1, still here but everything automated with no new content. (imagine that). It would just die from that alone while sure people still play gw1 its just a shell of its former self population wise.

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  • As a player who bought the base game back when it was released and didn't buy expansions yet I complained about not being able to keep up in Orr for example, but this was only the case if the commander was chasing the champions, other events are fine. I leveled up 2 chars to 80 past weeks and didn't see people on mounts killing mobs.

    Now that I bought the expansions and finished the PoF story I must say I'm impressed. I like the mounts, no more getting annoying by mobs when you are going somewhere. And PoF is pretty awesome, it's not just mounts. I think the maps are great, and the story/boss fights, elite specs, etc. I'm one of those players who doesn't like to get lost, get frustrated when I have a hard time finding where to go, PoF maps don't have that problem, even with the heights.

    Free players don't have much to complain about, they could however add a basic slower mount, and they probably will they added some free glider right?

    Also if they ever release GW3 I think it's better to start off with monthly subscription till it goes free to play.

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2017

    @Silencio.2604 said:
    As a player who bought the base game back when it was released and didn't buy expansions yet I complained about not being able to keep up in Orr for example, but this was only the case if the commander was chasing the champions, other events are fine. I leveled up 2 chars to 80 past weeks and didn't see people on mounts killing mobs.

    Now that I bought the expansions and finished the PoF story I must say I'm impressed. I like the mounts, no more getting annoying by mobs when you are going somewhere. And PoF is pretty awesome, it's not just mounts. I think the maps are great, and the story/boss fights, elite specs, etc. I'm one of those players who doesn't like to get lost, get frustrated when I have a hard time finding where to go, PoF maps don't have that problem, even with the heights.

    Free players don't have much to complain about, they could however add a basic slower mount, and they probably will they added some free glider right?

    Also if they ever release GW3 I think it's better to start off with monthly subscription till it goes free to play.

    You may never see a core mount, atleast for awhile. Because that is the primary sell point for PoF you can't do pof content as a whole without it. Most of the maps you have to have say raptor to get to certain parts of the maps. Need bunny to traverse the cliffs to get to other parts, like you legitimately need raptor to get bunny and must have raptor upgraded atleast 3x before you can even get to bunny unlock camp. (think via story can be got to though) Now you can try creative ways to get to the camp but I doubt they intended these creative routes else wouldn't be so tedious and stressful lol. Now I'm not saying they wont bring a core mount, but if they do be like 1-3 years on down the road, like they did with core gw2. Why give something away for free from an expansion if that expac is bringing in money just for that reason. Be a fools folly.
    Alot of people bought PoF just for a mount, even peeps in this thread some where round page 4 or 5 confirm that.

    As for the sub for gw series, i doubt you'll ever see that goes against anets business model, atleast thus far. It makes more money to stay as f2p or even buy to play if they'd stayed buy to play woulda cut alot of this nonsense out in the long term. But drawbacks to that aswell, i think hellsqueen said she started as f2p and if wasn't for that "trial session" she would have probably never bought into gw2 as a whole. Good side and bad side to it all f2p and mounts up to the people find positive sides here even in life its the same.

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  • @Suziana.3759 said:
    The free to play player base are not at a disadvantage because there is no area in core Tyria that can't be reached without a mount. Mounts are a mechanic in PoF due to the structure of the new maps, and needing mounts to transverse the landscape and reach these areas. We've been playing GW2 for years without mounts; there is nothing mounts provide that is an advantage over anything in core Tyria. It just gives players better quality of life of not having to walk everywhere. The F2P version is more of a trial to try out the game with an indefinite time limit. I don't think anyone is meant to play GW2 for free without upgrading at some point.

    I for one am no F2P I have HoTs. The mounts out run everything with the speed increase this is causing issues. Mad kings labryth now no one is going to walk they will be on mounts so those who can't go rush out and buy Arena nets over priced kitten get let in the dust. The spew of this comment.

  • @Despond.2174 said:
    Take this nicely. If you enjoy the game, then support it so they have a future of further developing. You get plenty for free, more than enough than most MMOs, and at some point you have to decide if you want to buy the xpacs, otherwise you can't expect people who decided to support the game to agree with you wanting paid content to be delivered to you. You're playing for free to try, not to have everything and of course those who've upgraded are going to have an advantage, what else do you expect? Also people actually had to BUY what you get now for free. There's plenty given for you to make a decision, everyone else did it, so can you.

    OMG do you work for Arena net? Do you think everyone has disposable income? It is nice to waste money on pixles when the money is there but it is also stupid. Also this attacking free to play players is just a joke on some of these comments. The content other than story mode is a joke in this game. After already blowing 100 dollars on this game I see no point in continuing after so long it get boring as hell. Also I love how someone comes to the rescue when someone points things out lately about this game. Get all offended cause someone else other then themselves had a opinion.

  • @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    And I'd like to agree with the main complaint about this, but those people could just.... buy PoF.... if it's too much, just save or something. It's not like being annoyed that someone has a pre-order item that isn't obtainable in the game or anything. It's a problem that those players can solve by buying PoF.

    That's the key point. I see complaints like these a lot, but it's expected that if you don't buy the expansion you get left behind. That's how it always is.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2017

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:
    As i told another in here, might happen in a year or 2. I wouldn't expect it so soon, only been half a month since release of mounts and PoF.

    It actually has been a full month by now, and ANet should really make a decision soon. Seeing as I can now complete even a JP like the Troll on in LA within a matter of minutes, I believe this to be an urgent issue that cannot wait to get resolved.

  • I enjoy the mounts. I've done world completion back when it was required to get every WvW map on top of central Tyria on foot. I don't see anything wrong with them. Hamstringing paying customers so the F2P crowd can get all the things, then I'm gonna have to say no. I think mounts are a perfect incentive for free players to finally pay for the game.

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Turn it on its head .... mounts are not always an advantage as they force people to rely on them.

    Look at RL. I do not drive. People that do are always insisting it is impossible to get somewhere. Meanwhile I know how to walk there or take the bus.

    Yes the people on mounts in GW2 doing events will get to the other side of the map fast. That also means when a follow-on event happens nearby they will be on the other side of the map.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • So much moaning about mounts, leave it be, ppl that bought POF have mounts, just like ppl that bought HoT have gliders. SO WHAT!

  • ovinnik.9216ovinnik.9216 Member ✭✭✭

    Some replies in this thread are incredibly patronising. I'm glad this game offers no optional subscription, the sense of superiority radiating from that group tends to be positively nauseating.

    The current labyrinth experience has everything to do with timing, I think. PoF was only just released and now, shortly after, there's an event. One that is, naturally, limited in time. And lo and behold: Not owning mounts makes itself noticeable. Of course it does. Some people have no urge, intention or disposable income to buy an expansion right away, if at all. This is aimed at present fence sitters. And yes, it's supposed to be frustrating.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't know what kind of lab many of you happened to partecipate, but the few i happened to see had no mount commanders and players sticked on him.
    Somebody went ahead, but was rare the case when they started a door instead of the commander himself.

    The race is the only part which core players could not afford though a spawned raptor for f2p players could have been really nice.
    And if you think about it's pretty stupid not to give f2p players a try with mounts.

    That said, they could have been in many different ways, but f2p players have no right to be selfish.

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2017

    I never mount up when commanding in the lab. Sure, some people will mount up now and then but they quickly learn it is pointless because they will outrun the zerg.

    When I am not commanding about the only time I will mount up is when doing the race for a daily, although I really wish they had not put the race in there in the first place.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • hellsqueen.3045hellsqueen.3045 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2017

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:
    As i told another in here, might happen in a year or 2. I wouldn't expect it so soon, only been half a month since release of mounts and PoF.

    It actually has been a full month by now, and ANet should really make a decision soon. Seeing as I can now complete even a JP like the Troll on in LA within a matter of minutes, I believe this to be an urgent issue that cannot wait to get resolved.

    Them getting a basic mount won't get them the bunny or the griffon to complete the puzzle with ease. Instead it just gives them a basic speed boost, nothing more.

    Furthermore, people with mounts who have mesmers now being able to complete that particular puzzle with ease may surely have it in their hearts to port to some of the chest for people who need it. Alternatively, now people with mounts who are terrible at JP's actually stand a chance with this one now without have to go back to the beginning every single bloody time. I did that JP ONCE ON FOOT and I swore NEVER AGAIN. WIth mounts, I am happy to repeat it and port people to it, free of charge.

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  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2017

    free and HoT players are the foot soldiers not the cavalary of pve... :P

    maybe ANet on longer term will had core mounts and HoT mounts.

  • dusanyu.4057dusanyu.4057 Member ✭✭✭

    I love my mounts while i don't use the Attack in low areas getting from renown heart to renown heart while leveling classes like Guard that does not have a passive speed buff in the raptor is amazing! Scaleing on the attacks needs work but leave the mounts the way they are as far as usability dont like the fact that people get to events faster than you (a issue slower classes had for ages) https://buy.guildwars2.com/store/gw2/en_US/html/pbPage.pathoffire/themeID.4785548100?cid=104:5::::Global:289:::

  • TEKnowledgy.1760TEKnowledgy.1760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @TEKnowledgy.1760 said:
    As i told another in here, might happen in a year or 2. I wouldn't expect it so soon, only been half a month since release of mounts and PoF.

    It actually has been a full month by now, and ANet should really make a decision soon. Seeing as I can now complete even a JP like the Troll on in LA within a matter of minutes, I believe this to be an urgent issue that cannot wait to get resolved.

    So some how you think core will get mounts like expac offers they might get a horse (more lore accurate might be a doylak) that moves at 40% move speed that be about it lol. Not trying steal HQ's thunder I'm just reinforcing what she said, as I believe that be about all you'd see. You are right it has ONLY BEEN A MONTH like I said I wouldn't be expecting it anytime soon.

    I don't think core even gets mastery points do they? Correct me if im wrong, I have all expacs so not sure what u got and dont got I also bought gw2 before it went f2p so still i wouldn't know exactly what f2p got or dont got just because of that. PoF mounts don't work without mastery points. Why would core be any different?
    I know there is MPs in core but can they be accessed without HoT or PoF?
    If f2p want a bunny a raptor a skimmer a jackal a griffon, I stand by anet buy the expac.
    If you enjoy the game support the development of Guild Wars 2, it is that simple.


    I've said bout all I can say in this toxic thread, half of page 6 was deleted because of someone got rump hurt over things I stated.
    Just isn't worth it cause I kinda feel bad for the guy, bet he got like 5 warnings or worse hopefully just warnings. I don't think deserved anything more.
    He wouldn't be first I've upset in my past and probably wont be last. Just not worth it in my eyes to prove a point.

    Anet's game Anet's rules both forum side and game content.

    Some one said HoT needs mounts can't find it to quote it now, but you got a mount it's called glider. I wouldn't expect anything more than a glider if i was you.

    Personally, i think people need leave Halloween stuff out of this thread, core tyria as whole is different from an event thats here 1 time out of a year plus this thread older than event and I think it de-rails the hell out of this thread 2 dif subjects.

    As for jumping puzzles, everyone I've seen had mounts disabled. Hell, i've seen griffon riders die from falling in the JP no mount zone disabling the mounts while in flight. Now if by chance there is no disable most likely intended not to have one, because so far everyone I've came to has had them disabled. I really, don't see a clear advantage over mount in jps. Personally, don't bother me anyways, I have mount I even turn down mesmer portals because I like doing puzzles naturally.. What another does or don't do in a jp has no effect on how I play the game or my fun within. You'd be best not let it not bother you either, the game is alot funner thata way. i even felt this way about jps before I even had a mount, like i say takes alot more then that to effect my enjoyment.

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  • I paid for the expansion and the mounts. I have no sympathy for the cries of those that didn't when they claim they want mounts.

  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I actually love mounts in core Tyria... Finally I reach events faster and get more exp faster in general. I love it. Leveling is more fun.

  • Trinnitty.8256Trinnitty.8256 Member ✭✭✭

    I didn't read all the comments in this thread but the OP. I agree mounts and gliders are a huge advantage out in the world. But, core free to play accounts are basically really nice demo of the game to help players decide if they want to purchase the rest of the game. I would say if your enjoying the core game a lot anyone should purchase the expansions because it really adds to the experience.