Cleansing Flame (torch 5) Can Some Day Self Cleanse Maybe?

Been mucking around on guardian and wanted to see what torch could do. Read on wiki that it doesn't self cleanse?

Let it self cleanse too? Seems like an appropriate improvement if they want to tune down boon corruption and condi conversion.

@Justine.6351 said:Been mucking around on guardian and wanted to see what torch could do. Read on wiki that it doesn't self cleanse?

Let it self cleanse too? Seems like an appropriate improvement if they want to tune down boon corruption and condi conversion.

It would make sense yes, but not for anet. The range could be increased to 900 hit 3 targets and at least cleanse or transfer condis if it hits targets. Or maybe even convert boons into condis on enemys

(Looks at list of guardian self-cleanses)(Looks at the Cleaning Flame's ability to inflict 12 stacks of AOE burning with Permeating Wrath, and clearing 10 conditions from multiple allies)

..... theres something of a fundamental problem with how the meta uses that weapon; since its designed for and gets used as an offensive weapon, but the skill that directly synergizes with the Guardian's justice mechanic is treated like leprosy.

@"starlinvf.1358" said:(Looks at list of guardian self-cleanses)(Looks at the Cleaning Flame's ability to inflict 12 stacks of AOE burning with Permeating Wrath, and clearing 10 conditions from multiple allies)

..... theres something of a fundamental problem with how the meta uses that weapon; since its designed for and gets used as an offensive weapon, but the skill that directly synergizes with the Guardian's justice mechanic is treated like leprosy.

Well.. it does not require more than 2-3 attempts of using the skill in PvP to figure out that: "Cleaning Flame's ability to inflict 12 stacks of AOE burning with Permeating Wrath, and clearing 10 conditions from multiple allies," is not remotely true. And torch as a whole is a bit glitchy. Not a formula for PvP success.

It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

With Symbolic Power, you can get 6-7 stacks on 5 targets. It's decent for pve.

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

Afaik torch 5 is not a symbol.

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

I think he's talking about using the torch skill in addition to a symbol, since they use the same justice hit count.

@sajah varel.9261 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

Obviously, you land a symbol first, almost mandatory if you use permea wrath. Then, torch 5 is good if you have 5 packed foes.

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@sajah varel.9261 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

That's symbols not Torch. Torch strikes are independent.

solution: make torch 5 a symbol :]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:solution: make torch 5 a symbol :]

No, that's not a good idea. that would make a x/torch combo have 2 symbols. It wouldn't be balanced anymore or you'd need to have all 2H weapons to get a 2nd symbol and shield and focus get one too. Symbols need to stay one the main hand.Too much stuff to change, reworking the torch is better and safer.

Keep forgetting there's pvers in here

I like how this argument got out of hand, and tried to say I'm wrong "because PvP" without even thinking about the math of the skill itself.

@"starlinvf.1358" said:I like how this argument got out of hand, and tried to say I'm wrong "because PvP" without even thinking about the math of the skill itself.

As we are talking cleansing we are talking spvp and wvw. Striking 3 players with this, allies and/or foes, is not as mathematically certain as you make it out to be. Suggesting that this skill is already op, because math on paper, is a pretty poor way to balance the game.

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@sajah varel.9261 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

The torch skill doesn't inflict burning, they're talking about the trait synergies that cause the autoburn to trigger more frequently, which is dependant only on the number of hits, so stacking rapid attacks like symbol+Cleansing Flame bursts burning.

@Hannelore.8153 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@sajah varel.9261 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

Yes, we know.

And it's been explained that human players don't stand in symbols which leads to zero burning procs, which in turn highlights how inadequate torch 5 is.

@LetoII.3782 said:

@Hannelore.8153 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@sajah varel.9261 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

And also that it is it's own skill. How is making torch 5 self cleanse too, suddenly making it op because symbols and permeating wrath lol.

The problem with torch 5 is the targeting, half the time it fires into the ground regardless of if you have a target

@Hannelore.8153 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@sajah varel.9261 said:

@Justine.6351 said:

@Aigleborgne.2981 said:

@LetoII.3782 said:It's 12 hits, but with permeating wrath every third causes burning. So 3-4 stacks while channeling a skill in melee range... Which will get you dead by most other classes.

So yeah torch 5 is an old joke

Actually, Torch 5 does indeed inflict 2 stacks of burning on the last hit.

I feeling like torch 5 should just beridden of the cleanse altogether and either change to add a stack of burn on each pulse, or front load it on the first pulse with just additional power damage of the other pulses.

And as others have stated, the lock on of the skill needs some serious fixing. It’s very easy to miss pulses on it, like if you just simple turn a little to adjust to your targets position. Sure you can move while your using it, but your going to miss half the pulses.