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Should Anet pause development and use those resources to properly rework Build Templates?

Elrey.5472Elrey.5472 Member ✭✭
edited November 1, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Honestly, Build Templates is such a freaking mess that it broke half of the game:

And that is only a few of the issues that we found in 2 days.

So I think it's time for Anet to really stop for a moment and think about the current status of a player experience and then re-work Build Templates even if that delays the next episode, because let's face it, we can't play with the current iteration. You know reworking Heart of Thorns, 2 months after its release, saved that expansion; now we need something like that to save the game from the mess build templates created. I want that but I'm not sure about others, so it's poll time!

In that direction, this is in my opinion the best suggestion to fix the system. It's simple, elegant and gets the job done:

Bonus: This is a must-do IMO and Anet feel really disconnected from the playerbase for not doing it: Build Equipment Slots should be accountwise

Should Anet pause development and use those resources to properly rework Build Templates? 261 votes

Yes. Rework the system entirely.
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No. Just fix the bugs.
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  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    I'm pretty sure the template devs are UI devs. Those guys need to stop what they are doing and make the templates work and be usable.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    i see they are too far down the track with, it's gonna take them more than twice the amount of time for rework, which = development

    this is why we need Public Betas for new system implementations, so new systems can have continuous feedback loops from players to dev to ensure good user experience is maintained, problematic issues like this can be resolved, or be drop if it is 'too hard' before reaching to Live Servers

    the beta server does not have to be an exact replica of the live server

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 1, 2019
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    They have a large enough team - putting everyone into a single qol feature won’t speed anything up and only serve to annoy those of us wanting other things

    There does need an official response though. Staying silent has never worked in the past and will not work now. I would like to see evidence of them learning how to correctly interact with their community

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  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    Your poll lacks a "rollback to normal" option.

  • cNd.1096cNd.1096 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 1, 2019
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    I don't care at all about build templates. I don't want ArenaNet to take people from doing things which I do really care about, to fix and improve one I don't care at all.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    people who don't know how companies work.

    There are a LOT of people on the forums that fall into this category.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Whitworth.7259Whitworth.7259 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    @Amaruq.1249 said:
    I think a very simple and quick way to make many people content would be to have 3 split sections again (PvE, WvE, PvP) and EACH of them has 3 build templates (or more if you buy them in gem store) per character. That way you have auto-switch to PvP-, PvE-, WvW-build again once you enter that zone AND you can save your different builds that you've created for the (totally) different purposes there. It wouldn't fix equipment problems yet, but it would help a lot to reduce the pressure that we currently have in this topic.

    This is the one. Anet please hire this guy.

  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    I need tell something to anet please don't rush for new living world.

    we have fun with the content in this time please make sure for fix everything before you are release next content.

  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    I voted for an entire rework of the system. Because I don't think Anet put any effort in this. Taking into account how many problems this "feature" brought my opinion is that no tests were performed. And comparing what a single person done (with Arc), the statement that a team worked 2 years for this ... [i don't find an appropriate and in the same time polite word] seems like a joke.

    So, I think the variant of "Start working on Build Templates, please" is closer to the reality.

  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    Maybe they should reverse their new Template system, contact the guy who built the Arc app and buy him out and make Arc Anet’s official Template, because I get the distinct impression from what they’ve said that their Template can only be bug fixed, not improved.

    Just what I was thinking. Not sure what the Arc guy would charge Anet for this, but it would probably pay for itself . The Devs could trash their "creation" and not have to spend more manpower fixing said "creation."

    The purchase would also buy Anet some goodwill from the player base, and might even keep people from quitting the game.

    Yes, Anet should at least put out feelers...maybe the guy who built Arc could come up a way for Anet to make some money with this to recoop the money Anet will spend to buy this.

    Lisa.

  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    @cNd.1096 said:
    I don't care at all about build templates. I don't want ArenaNet to take people from doing things which I do really care about, to fix and improve one I don't care at all.

    I understand your feelings, and I feel the same way, but there are many players in the game who really, really, really want the build templates fixed...hard call here.

  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    @Brandon Uzumaki.1524 said:
    Yeah, went to a small restaurant few months ago, the cook had an accident, had to go to the hospital and they had to close for the day, i should have gave them your suggestion, "hey why don't you send the cashier and the guy at the front handing flyers to cook the food, nothing will go wrong and you won't need to close", such a great idea, so simple, lel.

    I remember a long long time ago when angry players wanted everyone in the studio to fix some sort of game shaking problem..don't recall what it was.

    In a video they put out, I recall Ruby asking uncertainty "You want me to push some buttons?" Or words to that effect. I cannot remember exactly, but I do remember Ruby's face as she said that, and, I remember laughing and laughing and laughing.

  • Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    I voted rework entirely because while I do not use the template things...I have my handy notebook and a writing utensil...others do use build templates and want it fixed very badly.

    I am trying hard not to act on my selfish thoughts...

  • kratan.4619kratan.4619 Member ✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    So, we are going to suggest the "Throw more bodies at the problem because they will be solved faster and more efficiently" strategy? This rarely works as intended and I have seen too many management teams suggest this way too often.

    Just have the team prioritize their fixes, locate the cause of the issue, develop a technical plan for the fix, get approval from the team that the fix is sound, implement the solution in the development environment, conduct unit testing, have a code review done and passed, pass the user testing(this can be internal testing), then be ready to install the fix.

    These are the biggest steps I have to go through to install a bug fix, I am sure they have a process with similar steps. It is not "Oh look, If I just change this all will be well" solution, it takes time to get them corrected and I am sure they are working fervently on them at this time.

  • The guy who worked at build templates is working now at swiss style pvp tournament. So yea.....second project in his life. GL bro

  • Game of Bones.8975Game of Bones.8975 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    Companies can multitask.
    If everyone in the company were to work on the same problem, you would actually get less done. It's the whole "too many cooks in the kitchen" effect.

    I think they are doing less stress testing. They can see what happens when a couple dozen gamers use the system at the same time, but when a couple million across the globe are on the system ....

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    This idea would go over so well with the very vocal portion of the community on the forums who constantly cry out for new content.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    Just fix the bugs and add automatic switching between game modes.
    I was happy without the system and I want the old , switching one back.

  • Turn off templates and get back to work on alliances.

  • GaijinGuy.8476GaijinGuy.8476 Member ✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    @Blockhead Magee.3092 said:
    Turn off templates and get back to work on alliances.

    As much as I want alliances to come out, these build templates have helped me in WvW to switch build quickly for bad match ups. This, however, shouldn’t be possible to do I think. Perhaps only being able to change builds inside a friendly objective is a necessary change.
    Right now it’s just two hot keys while I’m on my mount and away I go.

  • AlexxxDelta.1806AlexxxDelta.1806 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2019

    If a major MMO studio needs to cease development in order to fix a broken feature, they better close shop and do something else.

  • Elrey.5472Elrey.5472 Member ✭✭
    edited November 2, 2019
    Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:
    If a major MMO studio needs to seize development in order to fix a broken feature, they better close shop and do something else.

    If I think that's a thing is because there's a precedent with HoT: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-19-2016/

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Elrey.5472 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:
    If a major MMO studio needs to seize development in order to fix a broken feature, they better close shop and do something else.

    If I think that's a thing is because there's a precedent with HoT: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-19-2016/

    Hot was not a single feature tho it was a whole expansion.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    not the fan of current build template. ARCDPS template is better and it was free

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  • No. Just fix the bugs.

    No, scrap entirely and move on with actual game improving stuff/story

  • No. Just fix the bugs.

    No. Taking everyone off other projects to fix build templates won't make fixing it go faster. Software development isn't like moving a pile of sand with buckets. It's dependent on organization and process, not bulk labor.

    Likewise scrapping it to put people on other projects won't likely make a big difference in those other projects.

    The big problem with templates is understanding what the players wanted and giving it to them. Clearly that didn't happen.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2019

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    No, scrap entirely and move on with actual game improving stuff/story

    fix the community and the game first
    more and more players quit and leave the game

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  • Acheron.4731Acheron.4731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What is there to pause?

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  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    @Elrey.5472 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:
    If a major MMO studio needs to seize development in order to fix a broken feature, they better close shop and do something else.

    If I think that's a thing is because there's a precedent with HoT: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-19-2016/

    If they ceased development during HoT's development (see the contradiction there?) then how did HoT get developed?

  • Timelord.8190Timelord.8190 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2019

    Good luck fixing this which has already hit the gem store. It needed to be good at release, not after.
    Don't think there will be anything as close to as good ARC was.

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  • Dante.1508Dante.1508 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    One build tabs are pointless until the gear and build aspects get joined together.. Two the prices for these things need to drop a lot to be viable.. Three we need a lot more actual slots.. and four classes need overhauls to be even viable for multiple builds.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    @Timelord.8190 said:
    Good luck fixing this which has already hit the gem store. It needed to be good at release, not after.
    Don't think there will be anything as close to as good ARC was.

    Unfortunately, that's probably correct. The best rework (apart from fixing all the bugs) would be giving people freedom to choose ANet's trash templates or the superior build templates option: ArcTemplates. But that probably won't happen because of gems.

    R.I.P. Build Templates, 15.10.2019

  • Lol, they’ve had 2yrs+ to get templates right, and possibly longer than that, since we know they were at least discussing it in 2014. If that wasn’t enough to get it done, I doubt another few months of troubleshooting will.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that the game, as initially designed, must have just been incompatible with templates, absent some arcdps-like workaround. And I doubt they’d switch to something like that because then they’d have more trouble justifying charging people gems for it. And they couldn’t offer it for free because that would kitten off the people that have already bought gems to get more slots

  • Susy.7529Susy.7529 Member ✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    No, just continue with developent, idc if templates are flawed, I prefer to have living updates sooner instead of longer wait times due to resources being spent in reworking templates.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    Not had any problems with it so far.. guess i'm lucky lol

  • One of my other favourite games - Elite Dangerous just added a major new UI feature to enable the use of an in-game shop linked to microtransactions. The result was similar - horrendous bugs touching all aspects of game play. I do not understand how a UI can be designed so poorly that it affects other elements of a game that should be protected. For instance, how on Earth should a build template system be able to strip enchants?

  • UnDeadFun.5824UnDeadFun.5824 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    Do not stop all development, just roll back templates and rework them. Release the templates when they are actually tested and ready. They could also use that time to actually read the feedback and maybe implement some of the positive suggestions.

  • GW Noob.6038GW Noob.6038 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    I'm not going to use templates, not even the free one that was given to us. The only template I would use would be one that was integrated into the game and available for free...like it should have been from the start.

  • @GW Noob.6038 said:
    I'm not going to use templates, not even the free one that was given to us. The only template I would use would be one that was integrated into the game and available for free...like it should have been from the start.

    Ever heard the saying 'cutting of the nose to spite the face'

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  • Jumpin Lumpix.6108Jumpin Lumpix.6108 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No. Just fix the bugs.

    What's the point of running anything besides berserker for pvp, wvw, pve, raids haha

  • GW Noob.6038GW Noob.6038 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes. Rework the system entirely.

    @vesica tempestas.1563 said:

    @GW Noob.6038 said:
    I'm not going to use templates, not even the free one that was given to us. The only template I would use would be one that was integrated into the game and available for free...like it should have been from the start.

    Ever heard the saying 'cutting of the nose to spite the face'

    Yes, I have.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Talindra.4958 said:

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    No, scrap entirely and move on with actual game improving stuff/story

    fix the community and the game first
    more and more players quit and leave the game

    And your plan to help the community gel is to constantly remind everyone that they're bad for wanting to stay?

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

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