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Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

What's the best class for a f2p acc?

1.Warrior
2.Thief
3.Guardian
4.Necro
5.Ranger/mesmer
6. Rev
7. Engi
8. Ele

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  • Asuran.5469Asuran.5469 Member ✭✭
    edited November 17, 2019

    Tier 1 core = warrior, guardian, ranger, necro
    Tier 2 core =mesmer, rev
    Tier 3 core = engi, ele, thief

    Necro probably the best. Quite strong currently. Tankiest thing in the game with good damage.

  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Asuran.5469 said:
    Tier 1 core = warrior, guardian, ranger, necro
    Tier 2 core =mesmer, rev
    Tier 3 core = engi, ele, thief

    Necro probably the best. Quite strong currently. Tankiest thing in the game with good damage.

    thief tier 3? Wasn't it top roamer ultil condi daredevil got buffed?

    thief player detected

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 17, 2019

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Asuran.5469 said:
    Tier 1 core = warrior, guardian, ranger, necro
    Tier 2 core =mesmer, rev
    Tier 3 core = engi, ele, thief

    Necro probably the best. Quite strong currently. Tankiest thing in the game with good damage.

    thief tier 3? Wasn't it top roamer ultil condi daredevil got buffed?

    thief player detected

    you couldn't be more wrong, I'm awful with thief

    of all the classes I tried to play thief is the 3rd worst, only losing to rev and necro

  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Asuran.5469 said:
    Tier 1 core = warrior, guardian, ranger, necro
    Tier 2 core =mesmer, rev
    Tier 3 core = engi, ele, thief

    Necro probably the best. Quite strong currently. Tankiest thing in the game with good damage.

    thief tier 3? Wasn't it top roamer ultil condi daredevil got buffed?

    thief player detected

    you couldn't be more wrong, I'm awful with thief

    of all the classes I tried to play thief is the 3rd worst, only losing to rev and necro

    i mean asuran

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:
    What's the best class for a f2p acc?

    1.Warrior
    2.Thief
    3.Guardian
    4.Necro
    5.Ranger/mesmer
    6. Rev
    7. Engi
    8. Ele

    warrior, thief, ranger, mesmer are all very solid on core
    guardian, necro, rev are also solid but are harder to play effectively on core
    don't play core engi or ele

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2019

    Thief and necro are consistent top tier but still hard. Guardian ranger and now mantra 1 shot Mesmer can be played up to top especially guardian. Core war is kind of in between top tier and ranked worthy. Rev engi and ele have playable builds some of which are annoying asf but considered far from meta. Honestly it’s preference and should take into consideration if you want to do ranked or ats. If you want ranked go for the 1st 4 or 5 but always the best is what you like to play and hopefully u do it well too

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:
    What's the best class for a f2p acc?

    1.Warrior
    2.Thief
    3.Guardian
    4.Necro
    5.Ranger/mesmer
    6. Rev
    7. Engi
    8. Ele

    warrior, thief, ranger, mesmer are all very solid on core
    guardian, necro, rev are also solid but are harder to play effectively on core
    don't play core engi or ele

    I just played a 100 matches as core fresh air, i could climb from silver 3 to gold 2, I coulndn't get past 1360, since I'm a low plat player, I guess core FA in the hands of grimjack can reach 1550+

  • Grimjack.8130Grimjack.8130 Member ✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:
    What's the best class for a f2p acc?

    1.Warrior
    2.Thief
    3.Guardian
    4.Necro
    5.Ranger/mesmer
    6. Rev
    7. Engi
    8. Ele

    warrior, thief, ranger, mesmer are all very solid on core
    guardian, necro, rev are also solid but are harder to play effectively on core
    don't play core engi or ele

    I just played a 100 matches as core fresh air, i could climb from silver 3 to gold 2, I coulndn't get past 1360, since I'm a low plat player, I guess core FA in the hands of grimjack can reach 1550+

    I wouldn't touch Core Ele with a 10 foot pole, but I'd probably play D/F Lightning Rod, not core FA.

    Warrior, Thief, and Necro are easily above the rest, with Ranger, Guardian, Mes, and Rev not too far below those. Do yourself a favor and don't even think about playing Core Engi or Ele though.

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  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    @Grimjack.8130 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:
    What's the best class for a f2p acc?

    1.Warrior
    2.Thief
    3.Guardian
    4.Necro
    5.Ranger/mesmer
    6. Rev
    7. Engi
    8. Ele

    warrior, thief, ranger, mesmer are all very solid on core
    guardian, necro, rev are also solid but are harder to play effectively on core
    don't play core engi or ele

    I just played a 100 matches as core fresh air, i could climb from silver 3 to gold 2, I coulndn't get past 1360, since I'm a low plat player, I guess core FA in the hands of grimjack can reach 1550+

    I wouldn't touch Core Ele with a 10 foot pole, but I'd probably play D/F Lightning Rod, not core FA.

    Warrior, Thief, and Necro are easily above the rest, with Ranger, Guardian, Mes, and Rev not too far below those. Do yourself a favor and don't even think about playing Core Engi or Ele though.

    yup, I had enough games with core ele, it was fun, but I know I won't get any higher without rng

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Core necro and thief are competitive.

    Core warrior and guardian are playable, but should not be played. Power Mesmer is a possibility.

    Don’t even attempt anything else.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    really depending on these three major factors

    • Player's inherent skill in the game genre
    • Player's motivation to learn and improve
    • The game mode

    Warrior and Guardians are probably the most viable class to be top tier in every game mode, including raids, assuming that he/she is willing to learn and improve

    Engi i would say at the bottom of the list, not that it's bad, but purely, to play Engi at top-mid tier is too complex for the average players, in GW2 world, that's probably 99.999% of players

    PS: pretty sure Rev isnt available on F2P account ;)

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  • Core Guardian is my favorite and the most versatile! You can play a burst damage build or bursty condi one. There's a lot of cool hybrid builds as well. I really feel like when you experiment you don't feel useless

    This is what I like about Guard you can play dps or condi but the other core classes you are stuck to a specific build to be useful and any type of experimentation with the other classes and you are pretty much playing handicapped and having an unpleasant experience

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    @crepuscular.9047 said:
    really depending on these three major factors

    • Player's inherent skill in the game genre
    • Player's motivation to learn and improve
    • The game mode

    Warrior and Guardians are probably the most viable class to be top tier in every game mode, including raids, assuming that he/she is willing to learn and improve

    Engi i would say at the bottom of the list, not that it's bad, but purely, to play Engi at top-mid tier is too complex for the average players, in GW2 world, that's probably 99.999% of players

    PS: pretty sure Rev isnt available on F2P account ;)

    ya, I meant without elite, but if you have rev you have at least one elite spec, so pointless to discuss core rev

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    Warr is probably the best, the new tactics/should build is very close to the meta SPB and hardcounters all builds with barrier. Necro is good too, tons of corrupts and fears, very sustainy. Pressure is a bit lackluster. Guardian, Ranger and Thief are viable picks aswell. Core Mes is seeing some play with Misha popularizing the oneshot stealth/mantra build. Rev, Ele and Engi are very budget compared to their elite specs, I wouldn't recommend those on core.

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  • ZDragon.3046ZDragon.3046 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2019

    Guardian is always going to be the best pick here because guardian is the most balanced in my opinion of all the core classes.
    Its got damage both in power and condi tons of utility for support and selfish use, its weapon skills offer things like pulls which can be helpful in fractals and etc overall its just the best core profession you can play. It can support, heal, boon etc its just full of different play styles and this is how every core profession should be. Its literally the perfect core profession. I would always recommend guardian to someone who wants the most range of play in a single core profession thats also very effective and not overly difficult to learn.

    Close seconds are Warrior and Ranger these two classes are very strong right now but dont top guardian in my opinion.
    Warrior has a fewer play styles mostly support and power options but lacks in other spots Core condi is pretty trash so you wont be going to that like ever but you have banners and power damage and a few shouts at least.
    Ranger has more play styles than warrior with both mild support, power and condi build options but you need to know what you are doing to make the most of them. I would consider ranger above warrior if the playstyles of ranger dont bore you to death thats about the only edge imo warrior holds over ranger is that its not as dull to play.


    I would slap the rest in this order with some of them not mattering
    Engi
    (which can be quite good almost up there with warrior and ranger if not above them however it requires you really really know what you are doing otherwise move to the bottom of the list)
    Thief
    (its kind of niche though but it does have a few build options and if you plan to wvw or pvp with a bit of work it can be ok)
    Ele
    (has a few options but requires you know what you are doing otherwise bump below mesmer)
    Mesmer
    (some super minor support here, damage is so so, play styles are so so nothing exciting really to make the most of it you need to know what you are kinda doing)
    Necormancer
    (core is just meh has nothing to offer other than boon corruption which is super niche until you get to wvw or pvp even its damage is bad it just exist at best you get a condi hybrid play style and a support play style both of which are not super effective with the core base profession compared to others. The best benefit is that if you are super new to this game you wont die very quickly in pve with this profession compared to the others)

  • Tier 1: Shout War, S/D Thief, Survival Ranger
    Tier 2: Power Guard, Condi Necro, Power Mes
    Tier 3:
    Tier 4: Engi, Ele, Rev

  • I’m posting again here because of a build that is off meta that most don’t mention. You can play a symbolic core guard(something similar to metabattles version) what I’ve seen is like menders sanctuary with symbolic traits sword/ shield and scepter/focus. From what I’ve seen it can be busted 1v1 at least on the level of weaver which is considered top tier. Obviously it’s mobility is bad so all you do is hold home or push far but so does weaver. Tbh I’ve seen this beat some of the best 1v1 builds by top tier players and survive 1v2. Some ppl do same thing on dh but I think core is better because getting an extra trait line with more damage modifiers is broken compared to the tiny utility u get from dh

  • @Grimjack.8130 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:
    What's the best class for a f2p acc?

    1.Warrior
    2.Thief
    3.Guardian
    4.Necro
    5.Ranger/mesmer
    6. Rev
    7. Engi
    8. Ele

    warrior, thief, ranger, mesmer are all very solid on core
    guardian, necro, rev are also solid but are harder to play effectively on core
    don't play core engi or ele

    I just played a 100 matches as core fresh air, i could climb from silver 3 to gold 2, I coulndn't get past 1360, since I'm a low plat player, I guess core FA in the hands of grimjack can reach 1550+

    I wouldn't touch Core Ele with a 10 foot pole, but I'd probably play D/F Lightning Rod, not core FA.

    Warrior, Thief, and Necro are easily above the rest, with Ranger, Guardian, Mes, and Rev not too far below those. Do yourself a favor and don't even think about playing Core Engi or Ele though.

    Yep, I constantly see the same core engi player in my ranked bracked, He is so much kitten better then everyone else, and yet he gets clapped like its nothing.
    Kinda sad to see :/

  • Yannir.4132Yannir.4132 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2019

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Guardian is always going to be the best pick here because guardian is the most balanced in my opinion of all the core classes.
    Its got damage both in power and condi tons of utility for support and selfish use, its weapon skills offer things like pulls which can be helpful in fractals and etc overall its just the best core profession you can play. It can support, heal, boon etc its just full of different play styles and this is how every core profession should be. Its literally the perfect core profession. I would always recommend guardian to someone who wants the most range of play in a single core profession thats also very effective and not overly difficult to learn.

    Close seconds are Warrior and Ranger these two classes are very strong right now but dont top guardian in my opinion.
    Warrior has a fewer play styles mostly support and power options but lacks in other spots Core condi is pretty trash so you wont be going to that like ever but you have banners and power damage and a few shouts at least.
    Ranger has more play styles than warrior with both mild support, power and condi build options but you need to know what you are doing to make the most of them. I would consider ranger above warrior if the playstyles of ranger dont bore you to death thats about the only edge imo warrior holds over ranger is that its not as dull to play.


    I would slap the rest in this order with some of them not mattering
    Engi
    (which can be quite good almost up there with warrior and ranger if not above them however it requires you really really know what you are doing otherwise move to the bottom of the list)
    Thief
    (its kind of niche though but it does have a few build options and if you plan to wvw or pvp with a bit of work it can be ok)
    Ele
    (has a few options but requires you know what you are doing otherwise bump below mesmer)
    Mesmer
    (some super minor support here, damage is so so, play styles are so so nothing exciting really to make the most of it you need to know what you are kinda doing)
    Necormancer
    (core is just meh has nothing to offer other than boon corruption which is super niche until you get to wvw or pvp even its damage is bad it just exist at best you get a condi hybrid play style and a support play style both of which are not super effective with the core base profession compared to others. The best benefit is that if you are super new to this game you wont die very quickly in pve with this profession compared to the others)

    You do realize you posted this in the PvP forum where about 90% of this information is off-topic, irrelevant or complete misinformation?
    Like how you place core engi 3rd and core necro last. Core Engineer belongs dead last in PvP by a large margin and Necromancer is 3rd.


    To chime in, here's my list for viability:
    1. Thief - Undisputedly 1st. Core S/D has been a meta class ever since PoF dropped, and still is very good even if it's fallen out of favor.
    2. Warrior - With the new Tactics line, Core Warrior has a prominent new build. It wasn't bad before either.
    3. Necromancer - High single target damage, high amount of corrupts. A good duelist but suffers from lack of effectiveness when outnumbered, and mobility is mediocre at best.
    4. Goes between Ranger and Guardian. Radiant GS/Hammer Guardian, which I played then as well, would've been 2nd on this list a year ago but it's been knocked down a peg deservedly. Apparently Ranger has a decent pewpew build but can't really say how good it is as I have barely noticed any Core Rangers in my games and I really don't enjoy playing Ranger after Druid was gutted.
    6. Mesmer - Has enough damage to burst a Reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% health. That's pretty much all it can do though, rest of the time it's just hiding in stealth. A decent roamer.
    7. Elementalist - Not much I can say for certain here other than I don't see too many core eles in games. The ones I have seen are running DPS Staff builds which can deal good damage if you let them freecast. Though if you don't, they are extremely squishy.
    8. Engineer - I see even less of these around. There's supposedly a Grenadier build which is decent but I don't see that working out if you're not an engi main with 7 years of experience under your belt.

  • I kinda think core ranger is the best. It beats every other core and can hold its own quite well vs a lot of specializations. This makes it a rather decent side noder, but it really doesn't shine that great in a teamfight, unfortunately.

    i think core ranger has one of the higher skill cielings compared to other cores, which means you kinda need to already be good at it to make it good. Meanwhile...

    ... I think you get way more bang for your buck as war, guard, maybe even necro or mesmer though.

  • ZDragon.3046ZDragon.3046 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2019

    @Yannir.4132 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Guardian is always going to be the best pick here because guardian is the most balanced in my opinion of all the core classes.
    Its got damage both in power and condi tons of utility for support and selfish use, its weapon skills offer things like pulls which can be helpful in fractals and etc overall its just the best core profession you can play. It can support, heal, boon etc its just full of different play styles and this is how every core profession should be. Its literally the perfect core profession. I would always recommend guardian to someone who wants the most range of play in a single core profession thats also very effective and not overly difficult to learn.

    Close seconds are Warrior and Ranger these two classes are very strong right now but dont top guardian in my opinion.
    Warrior has a fewer play styles mostly support and power options but lacks in other spots Core condi is pretty trash so you wont be going to that like ever but you have banners and power damage and a few shouts at least.
    Ranger has more play styles than warrior with both mild support, power and condi build options but you need to know what you are doing to make the most of them. I would consider ranger above warrior if the playstyles of ranger dont bore you to death thats about the only edge imo warrior holds over ranger is that its not as dull to play.


    I would slap the rest in this order with some of them not mattering
    Engi
    (which can be quite good almost up there with warrior and ranger if not above them however it requires you really really know what you are doing otherwise move to the bottom of the list)
    Thief
    (its kind of niche though but it does have a few build options and if you plan to wvw or pvp with a bit of work it can be ok)
    Ele
    (has a few options but requires you know what you are doing otherwise bump below mesmer)
    Mesmer
    (some super minor support here, damage is so so, play styles are so so nothing exciting really to make the most of it you need to know what you are kinda doing)
    Necormancer
    (core is just meh has nothing to offer other than boon corruption which is super niche until you get to wvw or pvp even its damage is bad it just exist at best you get a condi hybrid play style and a support play style both of which are not super effective with the core base profession compared to others. The best benefit is that if you are super new to this game you wont die very quickly in pve with this profession compared to the others)

    You do realize you posted this in the PvP forum where about 90% of this information is off-topic, irrelevant or complete misinformation?
    Like how you place core engi 3rd and core necro last. Core Engineer belongs dead last in PvP by a large margin and Necromancer is 3rd.


    To chime in, here's my list for viability:
    1. Thief - Undisputedly 1st. Core S/D has been a meta class ever since PoF dropped, and still is very good even if it's fallen out of favor.
    2. Warrior - With the new Tactics line, Core Warrior has a prominent new build. It wasn't bad before either.
    3. Necromancer - High single target damage, high amount of corrupts. A good duelist but suffers from lack of effectiveness when outnumbered, and mobility is mediocre at best.
    4. Goes between Ranger and Guardian. Radiant GS/Hammer Guardian, which I played then as well, would've been 2nd on this list a year ago but it's been knocked down a peg deservedly. Apparently Ranger has a decent pewpew build but can't really say how good it is as I have barely noticed any Core Rangers in my games and I really don't enjoy playing Ranger after Druid was gutted.
    6. Mesmer - Has enough damage to burst a Reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% health. That's pretty much all it can do though, rest of the time it's just hiding in stealth. A decent roamer.
    7. Elementalist - Not much I can say for certain here other than I don't see too many core eles in games. The ones I have seen are running DPS Staff builds which can deal good damage if you let them freecast. Though if you don't, they are extremely squishy.
    8. Engineer - I see even less of these around. There's supposedly a Grenadier build which is decent but I don't see that working out if you're not an engi main with 7 years of experience under your belt.

    I still dont take back what i said my order is still
    Guardian, Warrior, and Ranger and thats for a very solid reason. In all modes these professions are very strong and have some of the best build diversity in the game
    About the only thing that changes if you are looking at pvp only is that thief maybe gets a higher spot everything else stays the same.

    If you want a strong profession for pvp Guardian, Warrior, and Ranger are the strongest options in terms of core classes only.
    Thief can be good or complete garbo but that mostly depends on the player its also not easy to pick up and do well on when you will be fighting against people who might not be using core professions.

    There is a reason why you still see alot of core guardians, warriors, rangers opposed to alot of the other picks you called out Necromancer is certainly not that high on the totem pole. I mean you can value its boon corruption only so much but other than that its core single target damage is pretty crud. ITs aoe damage is fairly solid though having less offensive pressure when fighting other things that are not core professions its going to have a very hard time.

  • @Yannir.4132 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Guardian is always going to be the best pick here because guardian is the most balanced in my opinion of all the core classes.
    Its got damage both in power and condi tons of utility for support and selfish use, its weapon skills offer things like pulls which can be helpful in fractals and etc overall its just the best core profession you can play. It can support, heal, boon etc its just full of different play styles and this is how every core profession should be. Its literally the perfect core profession. I would always recommend guardian to someone who wants the most range of play in a single core profession thats also very effective and not overly difficult to learn.

    Close seconds are Warrior and Ranger these two classes are very strong right now but dont top guardian in my opinion.
    Warrior has a fewer play styles mostly support and power options but lacks in other spots Core condi is pretty trash so you wont be going to that like ever but you have banners and power damage and a few shouts at least.
    Ranger has more play styles than warrior with both mild support, power and condi build options but you need to know what you are doing to make the most of them. I would consider ranger above warrior if the playstyles of ranger dont bore you to death thats about the only edge imo warrior holds over ranger is that its not as dull to play.


    I would slap the rest in this order with some of them not mattering
    Engi
    (which can be quite good almost up there with warrior and ranger if not above them however it requires you really really know what you are doing otherwise move to the bottom of the list)
    Thief
    (its kind of niche though but it does have a few build options and if you plan to wvw or pvp with a bit of work it can be ok)
    Ele
    (has a few options but requires you know what you are doing otherwise bump below mesmer)
    Mesmer
    (some super minor support here, damage is so so, play styles are so so nothing exciting really to make the most of it you need to know what you are kinda doing)
    Necormancer
    (core is just meh has nothing to offer other than boon corruption which is super niche until you get to wvw or pvp even its damage is bad it just exist at best you get a condi hybrid play style and a support play style both of which are not super effective with the core base profession compared to others. The best benefit is that if you are super new to this game you wont die very quickly in pve with this profession compared to the others)

    You do realize you posted this in the PvP forum where about 90% of this information is off-topic, irrelevant or complete misinformation?
    Like how you place core engi 3rd and core necro last. Core Engineer belongs dead last in PvP by a large margin and Necromancer is 3rd.


    To chime in, here's my list for viability:
    1. Thief - Undisputedly 1st. Core S/D has been a meta class ever since PoF dropped, and still is very good even if it's fallen out of favor.
    2. Warrior - With the new Tactics line, Core Warrior has a prominent new build. It wasn't bad before either.
    3. Necromancer - High single target damage, high amount of corrupts. A good duelist but suffers from lack of effectiveness when outnumbered, and mobility is mediocre at best.
    4. Goes between Ranger and Guardian. Radiant GS/Hammer Guardian, which I played then as well, would've been 2nd on this list a year ago but it's been knocked down a peg deservedly. Apparently Ranger has a decent pewpew build but can't really say how good it is as I have barely noticed any Core Rangers in my games and I really don't enjoy playing Ranger after Druid was gutted.
    6. Mesmer - Has enough damage to burst a Reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% health. That's pretty much all it can do though, rest of the time it's just hiding in stealth. A decent roamer.
    7. Elementalist - Not much I can say for certain here other than I don't see too many core eles in games. The ones I have seen are running DPS Staff builds which can deal good damage if you let them freecast. Though if you don't, they are extremely squishy.
    8. Engineer - I see even less of these around. There's supposedly a Grenadier build which is decent but I don't see that working out if you're not an engi main with 7 years of experience under your belt.

    I lost it when you said mesmer can burst reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% hp ;p
    I get it, core mes burst is strong as one hell, but dont just take things out of your kitten, that would have to be 40k dmg burst, even with perfect setup, and 100% crits thats NOT happening.
    People look at this in the wrong light, they try to look at what is the best currently and thats plain wrong, Core specs are slower for the most part.
    Specs like Ranger and Thief would rule.
    1 Thief and thief only number 1, due to unmatched mobility.
    2 Core war and ranger, ranger would be hard to match, how does core necro, or core guard even come close to ranger?
    3 mesmer, guard.

    the rest Iv no clue about ;lp
    seen some core engi farting 20k burns in 0,2s. could be good mb?

  • People here sleeping on / lowballing core guard.

  • ZDragon.3046ZDragon.3046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NorthernRedStar.3054 said:
    People here sleeping on / lowballing core guard.

    Right

  • I'm surprised how low some people rate core Rev. Sure, it probably has the most potential for absolute meme builds, but its power alternative to Herald is pretty solid. It is nice to be able to fit Retribution into the build, and Jalis is not too bad of a legend either.

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  • I think a lot of people are overrating core thief in the current meta.

  • @kin korn karn.9023 said:
    I think a lot of people are overrating core thief in the current meta.

    in the current meta? yes.
    but in the metta that would ensure after only core is viable?
    tell me laddie, WHO can come even close to tifs mobility?
    In a world where we would core guard/engi and core warriors.
    core mes so no more jaunts/sword ambushes.

  • Yannir.4132Yannir.4132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    I lost it when you said mesmer can burst reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% hp ;p
    I get it, core mes burst is strong as one hell, but dont just take things out of your kitten, that would have to be 40k dmg burst, even with perfect setup, and 100% crits thats NOT happening.

    I've been on the receiving and delivering end of that burst. It's the only Mesmer build I've ever actually liked. It's probably the highest damage burst in the game, higher than FA Weaver, Power Shiro Herald or Sic Em Ranger variants for sure, though it takes longer to set up properly. And like I said, it has barely any utility outside of Stealth and CC. 40k honestly doesn't seem that far off. Phantasmal Berserker is half of that on its own if you score a good hit.

    @NorthernRedStar.3054 said:
    People here sleeping on / lowballing core guard.

    Core Guard is good, it's just not that good. 10-15k burst is decent with higher sustain than most builds in the same role. It's just nowhere near what it used to be, which always a huge bummer for me personally. Nowadays if I want to perform that role, I'll play Herald because it doesn't disappoint me.
    Generally I am unhappy with the state of Guardian currently.

  • @Yannir.4132 ah so you mean one of those unrealistic combos like.
    gs4-> gs5->mantra->gs2->blink into melee->gs3->f1->sword2->mantra+f2.
    then yes if you get hit by a monster like that you would take about 30k dmg.
    But with the usual f3->gs2+mantra->gs3+f1, that wont happen EVER.
    15-20k is more likely, i have spend good while whacking heavy golem, its ABOOOut killing it if crits land.

  • Shao.7236Shao.7236 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 29, 2019

    Revenant has been overshadowed by the ease of use Herald has to players that are new or that doesn't want to overcomplicate things, which in term killed any potential builds because people aren't familiar with it's design that differs so much more than everything else in the game.

    That being said Revenant has the most versatile arsenal and definitely stands among top tier if it came down to core fights.

    Power, Condition and Support are definitely one of the strongest with a high skill ceiling requirement that nobody seems to bother learning. From the get go Anet had to make Revenant strong because of it's uniform limitation which in term is also easier to balance compared the rest, which I love very much.

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    But But But the expacs are p2w apparently so all cores are not good....uynless its GASP NOT p2w

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  • Meteor.3720Meteor.3720 Member ✭✭✭

    @Asuran.5469 said:
    Tier 1 core = warrior, guardian, ranger, necro
    Tier 2 core =mesmer, rev
    Tier 3 core = engi, ele, thief

    Necro probably the best. Quite strong currently. Tankiest thing in the game with good damage.

    Core necro is good, but "tankiest thing in the game" made me laugh.

  • RisenHowl.2419RisenHowl.2419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Yannir.4132 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Guardian is always going to be the best pick here because guardian is the most balanced in my opinion of all the core classes.
    Its got damage both in power and condi tons of utility for support and selfish use, its weapon skills offer things like pulls which can be helpful in fractals and etc overall its just the best core profession you can play. It can support, heal, boon etc its just full of different play styles and this is how every core profession should be. Its literally the perfect core profession. I would always recommend guardian to someone who wants the most range of play in a single core profession thats also very effective and not overly difficult to learn.

    Close seconds are Warrior and Ranger these two classes are very strong right now but dont top guardian in my opinion.
    Warrior has a fewer play styles mostly support and power options but lacks in other spots Core condi is pretty trash so you wont be going to that like ever but you have banners and power damage and a few shouts at least.
    Ranger has more play styles than warrior with both mild support, power and condi build options but you need to know what you are doing to make the most of them. I would consider ranger above warrior if the playstyles of ranger dont bore you to death thats about the only edge imo warrior holds over ranger is that its not as dull to play.


    I would slap the rest in this order with some of them not mattering
    Engi
    (which can be quite good almost up there with warrior and ranger if not above them however it requires you really really know what you are doing otherwise move to the bottom of the list)
    Thief
    (its kind of niche though but it does have a few build options and if you plan to wvw or pvp with a bit of work it can be ok)
    Ele
    (has a few options but requires you know what you are doing otherwise bump below mesmer)
    Mesmer
    (some super minor support here, damage is so so, play styles are so so nothing exciting really to make the most of it you need to know what you are kinda doing)
    Necormancer
    (core is just meh has nothing to offer other than boon corruption which is super niche until you get to wvw or pvp even its damage is bad it just exist at best you get a condi hybrid play style and a support play style both of which are not super effective with the core base profession compared to others. The best benefit is that if you are super new to this game you wont die very quickly in pve with this profession compared to the others)

    You do realize you posted this in the PvP forum where about 90% of this information is off-topic, irrelevant or complete misinformation?
    Like how you place core engi 3rd and core necro last. Core Engineer belongs dead last in PvP by a large margin and Necromancer is 3rd.


    To chime in, here's my list for viability:
    1. Thief - Undisputedly 1st. Core S/D has been a meta class ever since PoF dropped, and still is very good even if it's fallen out of favor.
    2. Warrior - With the new Tactics line, Core Warrior has a prominent new build. It wasn't bad before either.
    3. Necromancer - High single target damage, high amount of corrupts. A good duelist but suffers from lack of effectiveness when outnumbered, and mobility is mediocre at best.
    4. Goes between Ranger and Guardian. Radiant GS/Hammer Guardian, which I played then as well, would've been 2nd on this list a year ago but it's been knocked down a peg deservedly. Apparently Ranger has a decent pewpew build but can't really say how good it is as I have barely noticed any Core Rangers in my games and I really don't enjoy playing Ranger after Druid was gutted.
    6. Mesmer - Has enough damage to burst a Reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% health. That's pretty much all it can do though, rest of the time it's just hiding in stealth. A decent roamer.
    7. Elementalist - Not much I can say for certain here other than I don't see too many core eles in games. The ones I have seen are running DPS Staff builds which can deal good damage if you let them freecast. Though if you don't, they are extremely squishy.
    8. Engineer - I see even less of these around. There's supposedly a Grenadier build which is decent but I don't see that working out if you're not an engi main with 7 years of experience under your belt.

    I lost it when you said mesmer can burst reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% hp ;p
    I get it, core mes burst is strong as one hell, but dont just take things out of your kitten, that would have to be 40k dmg burst, even with perfect setup, and 100% crits thats NOT happening.
    People look at this in the wrong light, they try to look at what is the best currently and thats plain wrong, Core specs are slower for the most part.
    Specs like Ranger and Thief would rule.
    1 Thief and thief only number 1, due to unmatched mobility.
    2 Core war and ranger, ranger would be hard to match, how does core necro, or core guard even come close to ranger?
    3 mesmer, guard.

    the rest Iv no clue about ;lp
    seen some core engi farting 20k burns in 0,2s. could be good mb?

    How about bursting core from 100% shroud to 0?

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @RisenHowl.2419 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Yannir.4132 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Guardian is always going to be the best pick here because guardian is the most balanced in my opinion of all the core classes.
    Its got damage both in power and condi tons of utility for support and selfish use, its weapon skills offer things like pulls which can be helpful in fractals and etc overall its just the best core profession you can play. It can support, heal, boon etc its just full of different play styles and this is how every core profession should be. Its literally the perfect core profession. I would always recommend guardian to someone who wants the most range of play in a single core profession thats also very effective and not overly difficult to learn.

    Close seconds are Warrior and Ranger these two classes are very strong right now but dont top guardian in my opinion.
    Warrior has a fewer play styles mostly support and power options but lacks in other spots Core condi is pretty trash so you wont be going to that like ever but you have banners and power damage and a few shouts at least.
    Ranger has more play styles than warrior with both mild support, power and condi build options but you need to know what you are doing to make the most of them. I would consider ranger above warrior if the playstyles of ranger dont bore you to death thats about the only edge imo warrior holds over ranger is that its not as dull to play.


    I would slap the rest in this order with some of them not mattering
    Engi
    (which can be quite good almost up there with warrior and ranger if not above them however it requires you really really know what you are doing otherwise move to the bottom of the list)
    Thief
    (its kind of niche though but it does have a few build options and if you plan to wvw or pvp with a bit of work it can be ok)
    Ele
    (has a few options but requires you know what you are doing otherwise bump below mesmer)
    Mesmer
    (some super minor support here, damage is so so, play styles are so so nothing exciting really to make the most of it you need to know what you are kinda doing)
    Necormancer
    (core is just meh has nothing to offer other than boon corruption which is super niche until you get to wvw or pvp even its damage is bad it just exist at best you get a condi hybrid play style and a support play style both of which are not super effective with the core base profession compared to others. The best benefit is that if you are super new to this game you wont die very quickly in pve with this profession compared to the others)

    You do realize you posted this in the PvP forum where about 90% of this information is off-topic, irrelevant or complete misinformation?
    Like how you place core engi 3rd and core necro last. Core Engineer belongs dead last in PvP by a large margin and Necromancer is 3rd.


    To chime in, here's my list for viability:
    1. Thief - Undisputedly 1st. Core S/D has been a meta class ever since PoF dropped, and still is very good even if it's fallen out of favor.
    2. Warrior - With the new Tactics line, Core Warrior has a prominent new build. It wasn't bad before either.
    3. Necromancer - High single target damage, high amount of corrupts. A good duelist but suffers from lack of effectiveness when outnumbered, and mobility is mediocre at best.
    4. Goes between Ranger and Guardian. Radiant GS/Hammer Guardian, which I played then as well, would've been 2nd on this list a year ago but it's been knocked down a peg deservedly. Apparently Ranger has a decent pewpew build but can't really say how good it is as I have barely noticed any Core Rangers in my games and I really don't enjoy playing Ranger after Druid was gutted.
    6. Mesmer - Has enough damage to burst a Reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% health. That's pretty much all it can do though, rest of the time it's just hiding in stealth. A decent roamer.
    7. Elementalist - Not much I can say for certain here other than I don't see too many core eles in games. The ones I have seen are running DPS Staff builds which can deal good damage if you let them freecast. Though if you don't, they are extremely squishy.
    8. Engineer - I see even less of these around. There's supposedly a Grenadier build which is decent but I don't see that working out if you're not an engi main with 7 years of experience under your belt.

    I lost it when you said mesmer can burst reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% hp ;p
    I get it, core mes burst is strong as one hell, but dont just take things out of your kitten, that would have to be 40k dmg burst, even with perfect setup, and 100% crits thats NOT happening.
    People look at this in the wrong light, they try to look at what is the best currently and thats plain wrong, Core specs are slower for the most part.
    Specs like Ranger and Thief would rule.
    1 Thief and thief only number 1, due to unmatched mobility.
    2 Core war and ranger, ranger would be hard to match, how does core necro, or core guard even come close to ranger?
    3 mesmer, guard.

    the rest Iv no clue about ;lp
    seen some core engi farting 20k burns in 0,2s. could be good mb?

    How about bursting core from 100% shroud to 0?

    timestamp, nobody gonna watch 10min to figure out what you mean

  • @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @kin korn karn.9023 said:
    I think a lot of people are overrating core thief in the current meta.

    in the current meta? yes.
    but in the metta that would ensure after only core is viable?
    tell me laddie, WHO can come even close to tifs mobility?
    In a world where we would core guard/engi and core warriors.
    core mes so no more jaunts/sword ambushes.

    Well, you and I are talking about two different things, I guess. The OP did not ask his question in a way that specified a core-only meta, so I assumed he was talking about the actual meta and stayed on topic.

  • the ones I notice in my lowly tier (platinum 1-ish) are core warrior and core Mesmer. I don't really pay enough attention but I think I've seen a number of core thieves. They seem to be able to play and contribute. I only ever play engi, but a good core warrior can be a very competitive match-up against me side node, and the Mesmers are fricken brutal with that 1 shot as a plus 1. Anyway that's my take. The super experts may differ in opinion.

  • timestamp, nobody gonna watch 10min to figure out what you mean

    Lol, No timestamp needed, it repeats a million times throughout the video :)

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @shion.2084 said:

    timestamp, nobody gonna watch 10min to figure out what you mean

    Lol, No timestamp needed, it repeats a million times throughout the video :)

    i watched first 3min, not once this occured. provide timestamp of what allegedly happened.
    killing from 100% shroud to 0 would be dealing 55k damage.

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭

    I think the times he went from near full hp plus near full shroud you actually had maybe 2-3 core mesmers on you

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @RisenHowl.2419 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Yannir.4132 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Guardian is always going to be the best pick here because guardian is the most balanced in my opinion of all the core classes.
    Its got damage both in power and condi tons of utility for support and selfish use, its weapon skills offer things like pulls which can be helpful in fractals and etc overall its just the best core profession you can play. It can support, heal, boon etc its just full of different play styles and this is how every core profession should be. Its literally the perfect core profession. I would always recommend guardian to someone who wants the most range of play in a single core profession thats also very effective and not overly difficult to learn.

    Close seconds are Warrior and Ranger these two classes are very strong right now but dont top guardian in my opinion.
    Warrior has a fewer play styles mostly support and power options but lacks in other spots Core condi is pretty trash so you wont be going to that like ever but you have banners and power damage and a few shouts at least.
    Ranger has more play styles than warrior with both mild support, power and condi build options but you need to know what you are doing to make the most of them. I would consider ranger above warrior if the playstyles of ranger dont bore you to death thats about the only edge imo warrior holds over ranger is that its not as dull to play.


    I would slap the rest in this order with some of them not mattering
    Engi
    (which can be quite good almost up there with warrior and ranger if not above them however it requires you really really know what you are doing otherwise move to the bottom of the list)
    Thief
    (its kind of niche though but it does have a few build options and if you plan to wvw or pvp with a bit of work it can be ok)
    Ele
    (has a few options but requires you know what you are doing otherwise bump below mesmer)
    Mesmer
    (some super minor support here, damage is so so, play styles are so so nothing exciting really to make the most of it you need to know what you are kinda doing)
    Necormancer
    (core is just meh has nothing to offer other than boon corruption which is super niche until you get to wvw or pvp even its damage is bad it just exist at best you get a condi hybrid play style and a support play style both of which are not super effective with the core base profession compared to others. The best benefit is that if you are super new to this game you wont die very quickly in pve with this profession compared to the others)

    You do realize you posted this in the PvP forum where about 90% of this information is off-topic, irrelevant or complete misinformation?
    Like how you place core engi 3rd and core necro last. Core Engineer belongs dead last in PvP by a large margin and Necromancer is 3rd.


    To chime in, here's my list for viability:
    1. Thief - Undisputedly 1st. Core S/D has been a meta class ever since PoF dropped, and still is very good even if it's fallen out of favor.
    2. Warrior - With the new Tactics line, Core Warrior has a prominent new build. It wasn't bad before either.
    3. Necromancer - High single target damage, high amount of corrupts. A good duelist but suffers from lack of effectiveness when outnumbered, and mobility is mediocre at best.
    4. Goes between Ranger and Guardian. Radiant GS/Hammer Guardian, which I played then as well, would've been 2nd on this list a year ago but it's been knocked down a peg deservedly. Apparently Ranger has a decent pewpew build but can't really say how good it is as I have barely noticed any Core Rangers in my games and I really don't enjoy playing Ranger after Druid was gutted.
    6. Mesmer - Has enough damage to burst a Reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% health. That's pretty much all it can do though, rest of the time it's just hiding in stealth. A decent roamer.
    7. Elementalist - Not much I can say for certain here other than I don't see too many core eles in games. The ones I have seen are running DPS Staff builds which can deal good damage if you let them freecast. Though if you don't, they are extremely squishy.
    8. Engineer - I see even less of these around. There's supposedly a Grenadier build which is decent but I don't see that working out if you're not an engi main with 7 years of experience under your belt.

    I lost it when you said mesmer can burst reaper from 100% Shroud to 20% hp ;p
    I get it, core mes burst is strong as one hell, but dont just take things out of your kitten, that would have to be 40k dmg burst, even with perfect setup, and 100% crits thats NOT happening.
    People look at this in the wrong light, they try to look at what is the best currently and thats plain wrong, Core specs are slower for the most part.
    Specs like Ranger and Thief would rule.
    1 Thief and thief only number 1, due to unmatched mobility.
    2 Core war and ranger, ranger would be hard to match, how does core necro, or core guard even come close to ranger?
    3 mesmer, guard.

    the rest Iv no clue about ;lp
    seen some core engi farting 20k burns in 0,2s. could be good mb?

    How about bursting core from 100% shroud to 0?

    Was up vs like 3 or 4 mesmers and came across a couple of those 1 shot burst builds.

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