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Cool way on how to introduce the DSD

ArenaNet has been holding on to Bubbles for around 7 years now and we still don't know anything about it, so I think that when they do introduce it, there should be no warning, it's just sudden and shocking, and I believe the perfect way to do that, is with the death of Jormag. As we know already, the Icebrood Saga is going to be dealing with the ice dragon, I think the best way to set up the DSD's appearance is for good ol' Bubbles to deal the killing blow. Here's how I imagine it, it's the final battle against Jormag, we've rallied our forces and are hitting it with everything we've got, but it's not enough. We may have injured him yes. But at the cost of too many people, too many friends, but then, right as Jormag is going to add us to his Icebrood army, you hear a huge rumble, coming from something so big even Jormag stops to wonder. Then out of nowhere the ice shatters, and some eldritch horror, the likes of which we've never seen appears, and kills Jormag, absorbing all of his magic, and then retreats to the depths once again. This would leave the Pact and it's allies shocked, horrified, and confused, because a) The DSD came from nowhere, b) Elder Dragons almost always avoid one another, and the most terrifying reason, would be that Bubbles just killed another ED, without even breaking a sweat, which is a terrible thought. But I think a reveal like this fits with the theme of the ocean, in the depths, you never know what you're going to find, the creatures down below are beyond imagination. The ocean strikes quickly, and without remorse, and most of all, the ocean depths scare the absolute HELL out of every living being on both Earth, and Tyria, what do you guys think?

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I largely agree. When the first LS1 chapter hit with the Karka Invasion, it was widely predicted that the mysterious build up was leading to the DSD appearing or one of its Champions crashing into LA.

    I don't think the DSD will ever appear and now only exists to create speculation and mystery, but yes, a sudden apocalyptic arrival would be one way to do it

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  • i actually love this idea

  • Spoilers for the final instance of Whisper in the Dark:
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    At the end, Jormag talks to the group via a corpse, and makes mention that "ice fortifies. Ice protects." and that Jormag wants to help Aurene "end it all" and that there is a greater threat on the horizon that Jormag is willing to help the Commander fight and survive against. There will be some people who already think this is the deep sea dragon, and it could be interesting if so.
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    As to the OP's suggestion, I'm against it because it would break the established lore, the one that states that we need a replacement to kill any more Elder Dragons. Unless before we confront Jormag we get a replacement established for Zhaitan or Mordremoth, we simply cannot kill Jormag yet. Not without retconning the entire plot of Season 3, Path of Fire, and Season 4.

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  • The ocean waves never stay the same. They are volatile, immeasurable, unconquerable. As soon as you study one, quantify it, it crashes down back into the shapeless sea, but it is not lost. Another wave will come, melding with the remnants of the last, braining a new form to what you though you had mastered.

    Water is the ultimate catalyst... Well solvent. In any case, water is key to so many chemical reactions that organic life depends on. So many things wouldn't happen without it. In fact, one way of preventing unwanted reactions is to simply remove all of the water.

    I guess the other way of preventing unwanted reactions is to change water into it's crystalline form, or freezing it. Makes me feel like crystals and ice can be friends... but crystals just aren't what they used to be any more. Not after they got melted down. Hold on, I forget what are we talking about.

    Jormag seems to be quite interested in change. Prefacing that whole speech with it. But I have to say, it is kinda rude for Jormag to tell us that. But I guess it is not the first. Joko talked about it, now Jormag. But... like, the commander isn't dumb, the commander knows things are changing. In fact, the commander is the focal point of most of the change. The constant nagging about it is getting annoying... So if Jormag is afraid of change and IF that change is that one indescribable dragon. Well sorry, but the commander is the bearer of change. The DSD dragon and I we'd be cool. Well not frozen cool, but... you know what I mean. Jormag should just go ahead and melt away like Kralk.
  • There's speculation that the "threat on the horizon" is Primordus, which would make a lot more sense as we know from season 3 that he is Jormag's weakness. Hence Jormag has a vested interest in "protecting" us in order to kill Primordus and roam free.

    I agree though, that after seven years of build-up and mystery around the DSD, they can't just do it as predicted. Hell, I don't even think they should bring in the DSD to kill another Elder Dragon. The one thing people will predict near the death of one dragon is the appearance of another to consume it.

    If there's a time to introduce the DSD and for it to be feared, it really would be in the start or the middle of some other campaign.

  • @Tulki.1458 said:
    The one thing people will predict near the death of one dragon is the appearance of another to consume it.

    You mean like what people suggested out of the blue for War Eternal once finding out Kralkatorrik fell into water?

    Yeah.

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  • Okay, "predict" is the wrong word. I mean "expect".

    If they introduced the DSD in that moment, it'd be cool but expected.
    If the DSD intervenes as soon as we start a campaign against Primordus, not so expected.

  • Eh, if it's just at the start, it'd still feel expected. That's pretty much what they did with Jormag during Season 3. Twice. White Mantle campaign starts up-> Primordus becomes active; campaign against Primordus starts up->Jormag's active now too.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    As to the OP's suggestion, I'm against it because it would break the established lore, the one that states that we need a replacement to kill any more Elder Dragons. Unless before we confront Jormag we get a replacement established for Zhaitan or Mordremoth, we simply cannot kill Jormag yet. Not without retconning the entire plot of Season 3, Path of Fire, and Season 4.

    My thinking is that since I believe it was Taimi who said that proximity is a factor for absorbing magic when an ED/Balthazar dies, this was shown through Primordus and Jormag, Primordus could make death and plant powered destroyers, while Jormag had absorbed a lot less and only made the abomination we fight in season 3, because Bubbles is in the deepest part of the Unending Ocean, I believe that he’s received the least, if any other kinds of magics from the fallen dragons, this added to the fact that the DSD would be right next to Jormag when he blows, and that since he hasn’t absorbed much magic before, he can absorb a lot more than the other dragons. Plus I think it makes the most sense for Bubbles to be the one that gets Jormag’s magic, ice is just another form of water.

  • @Scraggy.3814 said:

    Plus I think it makes the most sense for Bubbles to be the one that gets Jormag’s magic, ice is just another form of water.

    I like to think you're right about the first part. As a nitpicker ice isn't a form of water, its a state of water, but I get the idea.

  • @Scraggy.3814 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    As to the OP's suggestion, I'm against it because it would break the established lore, the one that states that we need a replacement to kill any more Elder Dragons. Unless before we confront Jormag we get a replacement established for Zhaitan or Mordremoth, we simply cannot kill Jormag yet. Not without retconning the entire plot of Season 3, Path of Fire, and Season 4.

    My thinking is that since I believe it was Taimi who said that proximity is a factor for absorbing magic when an ED/Balthazar dies, this was shown through Primordus and Jormag, Primordus could make death and plant powered destroyers, while Jormag had absorbed a lot less and only made the abomination we fight in season 3, because Bubbles is in the deepest part of the Unending Ocean, I believe that he’s received the least, if any other kinds of magics from the fallen dragons, this added to the fact that the DSD would be right next to Jormag when he blows, and that since he hasn’t absorbed much magic before, he can absorb a lot more than the other dragons. Plus I think it makes the most sense for Bubbles to be the one that gets Jormag’s magic, ice is just another form of water.

    You missed the point. From Flashpoint and onward, the issue hasn't been "too much magic in the world", but the balance of The All, and Elder Dragons being replaced within the scope of The All. All indication shows that an Elder Dragon cannot maintain two positions in The All - otherwise, Primordus and Kralkatorrik would have begun to hold up Zhaitan's and Mordremoth's spheres but as we saw during Flashpoint's simulation, they remained fully inert. On top of that, Glint's Legacy was intended to replace all six Elder Dragons with multiple other beings (which failed horribly due to the deaths of Glint and Vlast, and destruction of too many of her eggs before they could hatch, leaving us with only Aurene). All indications show that Aurene cannot handle the burden alone.

    So even if the DSD took in all of Jormag's magic, by all rights of lore up to the this point, it wouldn't be a replacement in The All, and The All would still become further imbalanced and we're still at the tipping point as we have been since Mordremoth died.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    You missed the point. From Flashpoint and onward, the issue hasn't been "too much magic in the world", but the balance of The All, and Elder Dragons being replaced within the scope of The All. All indication shows that an Elder Dragon cannot maintain two positions in The All - otherwise, Primordus and Kralkatorrik would have begun to hold up Zhaitan's and Mordremoth's spheres but as we saw during Flashpoint's simulation, they remained fully inert. On top of that, Glint's Legacy was intended to replace all six Elder Dragons with multiple other beings (which failed horribly due to the deaths of Glint and Vlast, and destruction of too many of her eggs before they could hatch, leaving us with only Aurene). All indications show that Aurene cannot handle the burden alone.

    So even if the DSD took in all of Jormag's magic, by all rights of lore up to the this point, it wouldn't be a replacement in The All, and The All would still become further imbalanced and we're still at the tipping point as we have been since Mordremoth died.

    Then what if Bubbles had a replacement, we know some of the dragons have heralds/champions of the highest extent, for Jormag this is Drakkar and for Primordus it was the Great Destroyer, what if Bubble's herald replaced Jormag in the All? That way, Tyria would still be intact, but the DSD's corruption/minions (if not Bubbles himself) would be revealed in an excellent fashion. I know it probably seems likei'm reaching, but I want want the DSD to have an incredible story arc after years of mystery, i'll admit I might be a small bit obsessed

  • thats if teh DSD actually cares, what if it doesnt care that the world falls apart, or it knows exactly what happes when another dragon dies and knows how to benefit from it.
    i still like this idea of the dsd destroyinga weakened jormag, maybe even using primordus tunnels to travel underground

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Primordus does make more sense with it's weakness connection to Jormag.
    I'm kinda hoping there will be a rivalry between the two and we get stuck in the middle of it.

    I long to see DSD in game too but It'll kinda be outta nowhere if it's thrown in the icebrood saga.
    Personally I'd rather save DSD for Canthan related content for various reasons.
    One being a good excuse to go to that part of the world and another being the Jade Sea is a very good location to trap and kill it.
    There's also 2 good dragons over there which may still be alive and maybe able to replace it as well so all in all it's a good location to focus DSD content.