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Spoiler: Whisper in the dark: Final Cinematic.

("Terrible things lurk over the horizon")

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think my long speculated theory is going to become true this Season!

    We go BEYOND! The way the cinematic starts with the shot at the starry, astralaria-like thing above us, as if hinting that the true problems lie not on Tyria, but somewhere else.

    The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.

    H. P. Lovecraft

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arden.7480 said:
    I think my long speculated theory is going to become true this Season!

    We go BEYOND! The way the cinematic starts with the shot at the starry, astralaria-like thing above us, as if hinting that the true problems lie not on Tyria, but somewhere else.

    I don’t quite agree...buuut I certainly lean more towards something more than being just another ED.

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Arden.7480 said:
    I think my long speculated theory is going to become true this Season!

    We go BEYOND! The way the cinematic starts with the shot at the starry, astralaria-like thing above us, as if hinting that the true problems lie not on Tyria, but somewhere else.

    I don’t quite agree...buuut I certainly lean more towards something more than being just another ED.

    If the gods are beings from the mists and aren't really on the same level as Elder Dragons, I'm not really sure what could be out there that could be threatening to something like Aurene though. Or, if it is strong enough that Aurene would truly need help from Jormag, I'm not really sure what we would even be able to do to help. Besides, we had a cosmos eating elder dragon last season, so I doubt it will be anything more menacing than that.

    I'm really just suspecting deep sea dragon. The theme of ice fortifying, this Lovecrafian theme or whatever. The bit in the cinematic with the sinking ships.

    I think since we're in the area though tying in the dwarven fractal they added recently with the cryptic spider and being that possesses people could be interesting. We haven't really seen any ancient evils other than elder dragons thus far. Might be cool to see some entities similar to evil versions of the celestials/spirits of the wild.

    Still really curious as to what the point of all of these new classifications are, like "fallen" and what not. I mean, outside of them solely existing to justify the mastery, do they have any other meaning? Thus far we really only knew about icebrood, but are these other things other forms of corruption or evil that's taken root? Something not even related to the elder dragons?

  • asterix.9614asterix.9614 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2019

    I thought she was talking about the underwater elder dragon. She is saying we will need help to tackle Steve and the Lovercraftian underwater monsters.
    Highly doubt we will be going into the mist again....

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not seeing the DSD connection or why it should be the one Dragon that would finally mean the Dragons are forming sides against each other.

    I get there was Krait and an underwater scene in the trailer, but big glacial lakes are a part of the Shiverpeaks. Drakkar itself slept under one and more were created with Jormags rising. I saw no more evidence that this was one of those.

    My idle speculation is that a new World Order is forming. Civilisation is realising the Dragons are increasingly less of a threat as they no longer a force of nature, but a dwindling super power that has lost half its number already. As war looms or factions via to step up and start to make moves on other races, Jormag is luring people in to think they still need the Dragons to keep control. Perhaps Aurene will see that much of Tyria may not appreciate her , perhaps reject her and become jaded against the World she strives to protect.

    Or perhaps the change in balance with the All will cause further unexpected consequences and many come to realise the Dragons are more necessary than they ever wanted to believe.

    Whatever the missing piece is, I am not yet ready to be convinced it is simply another Dragon

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • "Nothing terrifies an Elder Dragon, not even Death."
    In this video Jormag speaks only about Kralkatorrik, but why She didn't speak about Mordremoth or Zhaitan? We defeated them too. Maybe because Kralkatorrik became the strongest elder dragon after absorbing Balthazar?
    Anyway, probably we don't have to believe Jormag words because this is one of her abilities: The Persuasion. She knows what to say for create doubts.
    The peace She was talking about it's all Tyria submitted to her, not the peace we want.
    Terrible lurks over the horizon? Unless Jormag is also able to predict the future probably She was talking about Primordus, a face to face against him maybe we'll end with the Death of both dragons and she's searching allies to prevent it. But there is a possibility that it refers to something else, not a dragon. I'm still thinking (from Kralkatorrik defeat) that something corrupted Elder Dragons, something that wants the destruction of Tyria, that's why all Elder Dragons are so hostile against all liviling things. Why they have so much hatred? At the start maybe They were only like wild creatures, Dangerous and territorial, not like now ofc. Maybe the magic itself?
    Does absorbing too much magic lead to madness? Or there is one kind of dark magic that Elder Dragons ate
    unawares? Or… there is a Dark entity capable to corrupt them all?

  • @cptaylor.2670 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Arden.7480 said:
    I think my long speculated theory is going to become true this Season!

    We go BEYOND! The way the cinematic starts with the shot at the starry, astralaria-like thing above us, as if hinting that the true problems lie not on Tyria, but somewhere else.

    I don’t quite agree...buuut I certainly lean more towards something more than being just another ED.

    If the gods are beings from the mists and aren't really on the same level as Elder Dragons, I'm not really sure what could be out there that could be threatening to something like Aurene though. Or, if it is strong enough that Aurene would truly need help from Jormag, I'm not really sure what we would even be able to do to help. Besides, we had a cosmos eating elder dragon last season, so I doubt it will be anything more menacing than that.

    I'm really just suspecting deep sea dragon. The theme of ice fortifying, this Lovecrafian theme or whatever. The bit in the cinematic with the sinking ships.

    I think since we're in the area though tying in the dwarven fractal they added recently with the cryptic spider and being that possesses people could be interesting. We haven't really seen any ancient evils other than elder dragons thus far. Might be cool to see some entities similar to evil versions of the celestials/spirits of the wild.

    Still really curious as to what the point of all of these new classifications are, like "fallen" and what not. I mean, outside of them solely existing to justify the mastery, do they have any other meaning? Thus far we really only knew about icebrood, but are these other things other forms of corruption or evil that's taken root? Something not even related to the elder dragons?

    The Gods are on the same level as the Elder Dragons.

  • @Arden.7480 said:
    I think my long speculated theory is going to become true this Season!

    We go BEYOND! The way the cinematic starts with the shot at the starry, astralaria-like thing above us, as if hinting that the true problems lie not on Tyria, but somewhere else.

    I think that you're right. There have been a few hints strewn through the game that support the idea that our current problems aren't isolated to Tyria.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The presentation of Jormag as "persuassive guy" is getting very well build, this guy can open a ice-cream bussness in antartica and still get record revenues.

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  • Kalavier.1097Kalavier.1097 Member ✭✭✭

    @AntoSparrow.4065 said:
    "Nothing terrifies an Elder Dragon, not even Death."
    In this video Jormag speaks only about Kralkatorrik, but why She didn't speak about Mordremoth or Zhaitan? We defeated them too. Maybe because Kralkatorrik became the strongest elder dragon after absorbing Balthazar?

    Because Kralkatorrik is much more recent in everybody's minds. We didn't fear Mordremoth or Zhaitan the same way we were scared of Kralkatorrik, as the stakes were higher and we understood the danger of the elder dragon rampaging, and the danger of killing him.

    If Jormag was to wake back up, we don't have a replacement for the ice dragon.

  • Aaron Ansari.1604Aaron Ansari.1604 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2019

    @Kalavier.1097 said:

    @AntoSparrow.4065 said:
    "Nothing terrifies an Elder Dragon, not even Death."
    In this video Jormag speaks only about Kralkatorrik, but why She didn't speak about Mordremoth or Zhaitan? We defeated them too. Maybe because Kralkatorrik became the strongest elder dragon after absorbing Balthazar?

    Because Kralkatorrik is much more recent in everybody's minds. We didn't fear Mordremoth or Zhaitan the same way we were scared of Kralkatorrik, as the stakes were higher and we understood the danger of the elder dragon rampaging, and the danger of killing him.

    If Jormag was to wake back up, we don't have a replacement for the ice dragon.

    I think it's partly that, and also partly that... well, Zhaitan clipped the airship we were flying on. Mordremoth, our Commander may have only faced as a tubby dinosaur in a dreamscape. But Kralkatorrik? We stared down his gullet at point-blank range, helpless, and should have died if it weren't for the seeming sacrifice of someone our Commander is supposed to be emotionally bonded to. It was a much more viscerally close call than the other two presented, so especially for non-sylvari characters, I'm not surprised to see Jormag suggest that that's the one stuck in the Commander's mind.

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  • There is one thing, and only one thing at all I can think of that Jormag would want to protect us from. Something that was mentioned in only one line, but has implications. "Mother..."

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Jormag trying to figure out how to make a smile is executed so perfectly
    Wait hold on... i think no.. .is this a smile wait.. there we go :#

    i wonder how the graphic designer was thinking at moment "holy god how to make a smile that seems a creepy smile?".

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • SidewayS.3789SidewayS.3789 Member ✭✭✭

    What IF, the "Mother" Kralkatorrik said about its the "Steve"? Deep SEA Dragon...As we know, water represent the element of life (metaphorically speaking). Maybe DSD its the creator of all EDs, since her domain will be the biggest of all (The Unending Ocean). I mean even the devs told us that, Kralkatorrik's last word was not something random like "LuL iz ded". And let's not forget, that Kralkatorrik crashed in the ocean (along side with all those inslands brought from Domains of the Gods). Just my opinion.

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  • RyuDragnier.9476RyuDragnier.9476 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2019

    @SidewayS.3789 said:
    What IF, the "Mother" Kralkatorrik said about its the "Steve"? Deep SEA Dragon...As we know, water represent the element of life (metaphorically speaking). Maybe DSD its the creator of all EDs, since her domain will be the biggest of all (The Unending Ocean). I mean even the devs told us that, Kralkatorrik's last word was not something random like "LuL iz ded". And let's not forget, that Kralkatorrik crashed in the ocean (along side with all those inslands brought from Domains of the Gods). Just my opinion.

    I'm not so sure it's DSD. If we look at The All, the 6 ED keep the balance of Tyria in place. The questions then change...if this "Mother" is who created the ED, does that then mean that said "Mother" is the creator of Tyria itself since the ED are needed to keep Tyria alive? Is said "Mother" a giant ED? Where is said "Mother", in the Mists or elsewhere? Could said "Mother" be...the very Tyria we explore itself?

  • Does using the dead as puppets represent a general ability for Jormag? Or perhaps it is only possible because the puppet is exceptionally corrupted by Jormag.

    I don't think the new threat is the DSD. Jormag's language alludes to larger scale change, something new that we wouldn't expect or know about. Combined with Aurene's last scene in PoF where she flaps her wings, blows away fog revealing a star and galaxy filled sky and tells us she will show us 'all'; and I think the new threat emerges from a deeper level of cosmology or magi-physics. I am still leaning towards the All as the emergent gestalt state of magic and will that every planet represents. The All has been wounded and will convulse into a different configuration. The studio may personify the All to accomplish this. Jormag is going to offer to protect Tyrians as the All reconfigures but will eventually try to dominate the new configuration. This could lead to Aurene becoming the dominant or sole sphere or, hopefully, a configuration that includes all or most Tyrians.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2019

    @Psientist.6437 said:
    Does using the dead as puppets represent a general ability for Jormag? Or perhaps it is only possible because the puppet is exceptionally corrupted by Jormag.

    I don't think the new threat is the DSD. Jormag's language alludes to larger scale change, something new that we wouldn't expect or know about. Combined with Aurene's last scene in PoF where she flaps her wings, blows away fog revealing a star and galaxy filled sky and tells us she will show us 'all'; and I think the new threat emerges from a deeper level of cosmology or magi-physics. I am still leaning towards the All as the emergent gestalt state of magic and will that every planet represents. The All has been wounded and will convulse into a different configuration. The studio may personify the All to accomplish this. Jormag is going to offer to protect Tyrians as the All reconfigures but will eventually try to dominate the new configuration. This could lead to Aurene becoming the dominant or sole sphere or, hopefully, a configuration that includes all or most Tyrians.

    I'm pretty sure one of the Champs is one of those death branded style icebrood, so I'm guessing Jormag still has some of Zhaitan's powers which might explain the puppetry over the dead.

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2019

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Arden.7480 said:
    I think my long speculated theory is going to become true this Season!

    We go BEYOND! The way the cinematic starts with the shot at the starry, astralaria-like thing above us, as if hinting that the true problems lie not on Tyria, but somewhere else.

    I don’t quite agree...buuut I certainly lean more towards something more than being just another ED.

    Jormag says: Terrible things lurk just beyond the horizon.

    I guess I put too much weight to "beyond", but well, there is definetely something bad coming.
    And the way Jormag speaks about Aurene, it sounds like Aurene leads some conversations with the Elder Dragons, maybe sending a warning to the Dragons themselves.

    "All this war. All this pain... Aurene wants to end this [...] I want to help her"

    I feel like the commander saying: "right" in the end was because the commander wants to contact with Aurene first to make sure Jormag is not playing with us. (Jormag obviously is playing with us, but maybe to really stand with us against beings that "lurk beyond the horizon")
    I think it's obvious we won't have anything about fighting Elder Dragons in the nearest future, I think it's safe to assume, we will go full Lovecraftian - cosmos full of chaotic, strange beings. Story similar to the vibe of Old Gods in WoW.

    The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.

    H. P. Lovecraft

  • @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Jormag trying to figure out how to make a smile is executed so perfectly
    Wait hold on... i think no.. .is this a smile wait.. there we go :#

    i wonder how the graphic designer was thinking at moment "holy god how to make a smile that seems a creepy smile?".

    To me, it feels like they might have used someone who had a stroke and couldn't control their muscles as reference. That seems to be how it is - Jormag can't quite control the muscles until the end.

    @RyuDragnier.9476 said:

    @SidewayS.3789 said:
    What IF, the "Mother" Kralkatorrik said about its the "Steve"? Deep SEA Dragon...As we know, water represent the element of life (metaphorically speaking). Maybe DSD its the creator of all EDs, since her domain will be the biggest of all (The Unending Ocean). I mean even the devs told us that, Kralkatorrik's last word was not something random like "LuL iz ded". And let's not forget, that Kralkatorrik crashed in the ocean (along side with all those inslands brought from Domains of the Gods). Just my opinion.

    I'm not so sure it's DSD. If we look at The All, the 6 ED keep the balance of Tyria in place. The questions then change...if this "Mother" is who created the ED, does that then mean that said "Mother" is the creator of Tyria itself since the ED are needed to keep Tyria alive? Is said "Mother" a giant ED? Where is said "Mother", in the Mists or elsewhere? Could said "Mother" be...the very Tyria we explore itself?

    I'm in agreement with "Mother" not being the deep sea dragon. The six Elder Dragons have always been presented as (roughly) equals, with opposites. Jormag and Primordus aren't the only opposites - Zhaitan and Mordremoth are also shown to be opposites in Season 3, which would imply Kralkatorrik and the DSD are opposites as well.

    Whatever Kralaktorrik meant by "Mother" is either a) his predecessor and thus never going to be a threat because she's been dead for eons, or b) something greater than Elder Dragons, even the DSD. And option 'a' seems more likely to me.

    @Psientist.6437 said:
    Does using the dead as puppets represent a general ability for Jormag? Or perhaps it is only possible because the puppet is exceptionally corrupted by Jormag.

    My guess is that it's how Jormag mixes Mind and Death magic.

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    I'm pretty sure one of the Champs is one of those death branded style icebrood, so I'm guessing Jormag still has some of Zhaitan's powers which might explain the puppetry over the dead.

    None of the icebrood in the new map are "death-touched". If you're talking about the Svanir Tyrant, this model is from the core game, before Zhaitan's death. Old icebrood end up having their skin peeled away, resulting in just ice and bones like the Colossus and Tyrant models. The Tyrant model has only been used three times, and the first time was Bjarl the Rampager when he loses his frost armor.

    Though there are curious Sons of Svanir who become icebrood upon death at the Svanir camps. But they just use normal Goliath models.

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  • The ice claw through the torso, is that Jormag?

    all primes work and not tearing down has value
    ready purrlayer @ any parsed feels enhance the value of something that is already worth everything
    what other chordal approach but penultimate singing along with other quantum cuddle clocks

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psientist.6437 said:
    The ice claw through the torso, is that Jormag?

    No just part of the corrupted section of the model

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Jormag trying to figure out how to make a smile is executed so perfectly
    Wait hold on... i think no.. .is this a smile wait.. there we go :#

    i wonder how the graphic designer was thinking at moment "holy god how to make a smile that seems a creepy smile?".

    To me, it feels like they might have used someone who had a stroke and couldn't control their muscles as reference. That seems to be how it is - Jormag can't quite control the muscles until the end.

    @RyuDragnier.9476 said:

    @SidewayS.3789 said:
    What IF, the "Mother" Kralkatorrik said about its the "Steve"? Deep SEA Dragon...As we know, water represent the element of life (metaphorically speaking). Maybe DSD its the creator of all EDs, since her domain will be the biggest of all (The Unending Ocean). I mean even the devs told us that, Kralkatorrik's last word was not something random like "LuL iz ded". And let's not forget, that Kralkatorrik crashed in the ocean (along side with all those inslands brought from Domains of the Gods). Just my opinion.

    I'm not so sure it's DSD. If we look at The All, the 6 ED keep the balance of Tyria in place. The questions then change...if this "Mother" is who created the ED, does that then mean that said "Mother" is the creator of Tyria itself since the ED are needed to keep Tyria alive? Is said "Mother" a giant ED? Where is said "Mother", in the Mists or elsewhere? Could said "Mother" be...the very Tyria we explore itself?

    I'm in agreement with "Mother" not being the deep sea dragon. The six Elder Dragons have always been presented as (roughly) equals, with opposites. Jormag and Primordus aren't the only opposites - Zhaitan and Mordremoth are also shown to be opposites in Season 3, which would imply Kralkatorrik and the DSD are opposites as well.

    Whatever Kralaktorrik meant by "Mother" is either a) his predecessor and thus never going to be a threat because she's been dead for eons, or b) something greater than Elder Dragons, even the DSD. And option 'a' seems more likely to me.

    @Psientist.6437 said:
    Does using the dead as puppets represent a general ability for Jormag? Or perhaps it is only possible because the puppet is exceptionally corrupted by Jormag.

    My guess is that it's how Jormag mixes Mind and Death magic.

    Do we know if Jormag received the mind spectrum? We definitely know he got death and plant as shown by the Icebrood abomination. Kralkatorrik received Death and Mind.

  • @Tyson.5160 said:
    Do we know if Jormag received the mind spectrum? We definitely know he got death and plant as shown by the Icebrood abomination. Kralkatorrik received Death and Mind.

    I think Jormag has its own kind of mind manipulation, we already know that It can get inside our heads and obviously can control its minions like every ED, if Jormag didn’t gain Mordy’s mind spectrum, I believe this could be classified as Jormag’s influence mixed with Zhaitan’s death magic, and since the Fraenir was dead, it might’ve been easier to speak through, since there was no brain activity, it was ripe for the taking

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2019

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Do we know if Jormag received the mind spectrum? We definitely know he got death and plant as shown by the Icebrood abomination. Kralkatorrik received Death and Mind.

    Jormag got a "very small amount" back in Season 3. Nothing we see so far outright confirms that anything in Bjora Marches is due to new abilities from Elder Dragon deaths. Rather, it seems that we're beginning to see new abilities in Jormag from consuming and overtaking the Spirits of the Wild's magic. The Icebrood Construct, for example, is fueled by Raven's power taken from corrupting the Raven Sanctum. There's even implications that the Fallen and Aberrants come from powers taken from Dolyak/Ox and Wolverine respectively.

    Which makes sense; if Kralkatorrik got new powers from eating a cosmic being like the demigod Balthazar, then Jormag should be getting powers from eating cosmic beings like the Spirits of the Wild. How it could get powers from the Raven Sanctum and corrupting some shamans is a bit harder to tell though, but it maintains consistency with the retroactive continuity of that new power that was added with S4.

    I imagine if the current writers were to rework the personal story, we'd see Zhaitan using the god statues'/temples magic far more directly and purposefully rather than just having some statues exude some harmful aura if the temple isn't under Pact control.

    Aurene getting powers from eating Joko's magic is still inconsistent though...

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  • ZDragon.3046ZDragon.3046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Jormag trying to figure out how to make a smile is executed so perfectly
    Wait hold on... i think no.. .is this a smile wait.. there we go :#

    i wonder how the graphic designer was thinking at moment "holy god how to make a smile that seems a creepy smile?".

    To me, it feels like they might have used someone who had a stroke and couldn't control their muscles as reference. That seems to be how it is - Jormag can't quite control the muscles until the end.

    @RyuDragnier.9476 said:

    @SidewayS.3789 said:
    What IF, the "Mother" Kralkatorrik said about its the "Steve"? Deep SEA Dragon...As we know, water represent the element of life (metaphorically speaking). Maybe DSD its the creator of all EDs, since her domain will be the biggest of all (The Unending Ocean). I mean even the devs told us that, Kralkatorrik's last word was not something random like "LuL iz ded". And let's not forget, that Kralkatorrik crashed in the ocean (along side with all those inslands brought from Domains of the Gods). Just my opinion.

    I'm not so sure it's DSD. If we look at The All, the 6 ED keep the balance of Tyria in place. The questions then change...if this "Mother" is who created the ED, does that then mean that said "Mother" is the creator of Tyria itself since the ED are needed to keep Tyria alive? Is said "Mother" a giant ED? Where is said "Mother", in the Mists or elsewhere? Could said "Mother" be...the very Tyria we explore itself?

    I'm in agreement with "Mother" not being the deep sea dragon. The six Elder Dragons have always been presented as (roughly) equals, with opposites. Jormag and Primordus aren't the only opposites - Zhaitan and Mordremoth are also shown to be opposites in Season 3, which would imply Kralkatorrik and the DSD are opposites as well.

    Whatever Kralaktorrik meant by "Mother" is either a) his predecessor and thus never going to be a threat because she's been dead for eons, or b) something greater than Elder Dragons, even the DSD. And option 'a' seems more likely to me.

    @Psientist.6437 said:
    Does using the dead as puppets represent a general ability for Jormag? Or perhaps it is only possible because the puppet is exceptionally corrupted by Jormag.

    My guess is that it's how Jormag mixes Mind and Death magic.

    Do we know if Jormag received the mind spectrum? We definitely know he got death and plant as shown by the Icebrood abomination. Kralkatorrik received Death and Mind.

    But couldnt he talk to people in the distant past already there are books about the dragon talking to norn and such long before the plant dragon died so i think this is just his power correct. Also he was already able to keep frozen thins alive before the death dragon died to... this all seems like its just mostly him. If he knows what happend to kralkatorrik from eating different spectrums of magic maybe he chose not to do such things.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZDragon.3046 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:
    Jormag trying to figure out how to make a smile is executed so perfectly
    Wait hold on... i think no.. .is this a smile wait.. there we go :#

    i wonder how the graphic designer was thinking at moment "holy god how to make a smile that seems a creepy smile?".

    To me, it feels like they might have used someone who had a stroke and couldn't control their muscles as reference. That seems to be how it is - Jormag can't quite control the muscles until the end.

    @RyuDragnier.9476 said:

    @SidewayS.3789 said:
    What IF, the "Mother" Kralkatorrik said about its the "Steve"? Deep SEA Dragon...As we know, water represent the element of life (metaphorically speaking). Maybe DSD its the creator of all EDs, since her domain will be the biggest of all (The Unending Ocean). I mean even the devs told us that, Kralkatorrik's last word was not something random like "LuL iz ded". And let's not forget, that Kralkatorrik crashed in the ocean (along side with all those inslands brought from Domains of the Gods). Just my opinion.

    I'm not so sure it's DSD. If we look at The All, the 6 ED keep the balance of Tyria in place. The questions then change...if this "Mother" is who created the ED, does that then mean that said "Mother" is the creator of Tyria itself since the ED are needed to keep Tyria alive? Is said "Mother" a giant ED? Where is said "Mother", in the Mists or elsewhere? Could said "Mother" be...the very Tyria we explore itself?

    I'm in agreement with "Mother" not being the deep sea dragon. The six Elder Dragons have always been presented as (roughly) equals, with opposites. Jormag and Primordus aren't the only opposites - Zhaitan and Mordremoth are also shown to be opposites in Season 3, which would imply Kralkatorrik and the DSD are opposites as well.

    Whatever Kralaktorrik meant by "Mother" is either a) his predecessor and thus never going to be a threat because she's been dead for eons, or b) something greater than Elder Dragons, even the DSD. And option 'a' seems more likely to me.

    @Psientist.6437 said:
    Does using the dead as puppets represent a general ability for Jormag? Or perhaps it is only possible because the puppet is exceptionally corrupted by Jormag.

    My guess is that it's how Jormag mixes Mind and Death magic.

    Do we know if Jormag received the mind spectrum? We definitely know he got death and plant as shown by the Icebrood abomination. Kralkatorrik received Death and Mind.

    But couldnt he talk to people in the distant past already there are books about the dragon talking to norn and such long before the plant dragon died so i think this is just his power correct. Also he was already able to keep frozen thins alive before the death dragon died to... this all seems like its just mostly him. If he knows what happend to kralkatorrik from eating different spectrums of magic maybe he chose not to do such things.

    Jormag speaking to us, is most likely Jormag using his persuasion sphere rather then mind, as Aesgeir mentions in The Burden, which is written before Mordremoth dies( or awake for that matter).

    As for manipulating the corpses, this is likely how Jormag is choosing to use the Death Magic Sphere, as it’s been stated by devs that only Zhaitan has powers to control the dead. You could make the argument that’s it’s because the Fraenir was Icebrood, however Jormag used the same ability with Almorra too.

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    Jormag trying to figure out how to make a smile is executed so perfectly
    Wait hold on... i think no.. .is this a smile wait.. there we go :#

    i wonder how the graphic designer was thinking at moment "holy god how to make a smile that seems a creepy smile?".

    To me, it feels like they might have used someone who had a stroke and couldn't control their muscles as reference. That seems to be how it is - Jormag can't quite control the muscles until the end.

    @RyuDragnier.9476 said:

    @SidewayS.3789 said:
    What IF, the "Mother" Kralkatorrik said about its the "Steve"? Deep SEA Dragon...As we know, water represent the element of life (metaphorically speaking). Maybe DSD its the creator of all EDs, since her domain will be the biggest of all (The Unending Ocean). I mean even the devs told us that, Kralkatorrik's last word was not something random like "LuL iz ded". And let's not forget, that Kralkatorrik crashed in the ocean (along side with all those inslands brought from Domains of the Gods). Just my opinion.

    I'm not so sure it's DSD. If we look at The All, the 6 ED keep the balance of Tyria in place. The questions then change...if this "Mother" is who created the ED, does that then mean that said "Mother" is the creator of Tyria itself since the ED are needed to keep Tyria alive? Is said "Mother" a giant ED? Where is said "Mother", in the Mists or elsewhere? Could said "Mother" be...the very Tyria we explore itself?

    I'm in agreement with "Mother" not being the deep sea dragon. The six Elder Dragons have always been presented as (roughly) equals, with opposites. Jormag and Primordus aren't the only opposites - Zhaitan and Mordremoth are also shown to be opposites in Season 3, which would imply Kralkatorrik and the DSD are opposites as well.

    Whatever Kralaktorrik meant by "Mother" is either a) his predecessor and thus never going to be a threat because she's been dead for eons, or b) something greater than Elder Dragons, even the DSD. And option 'a' seems more likely to me.

    @Psientist.6437 said:
    Does using the dead as puppets represent a general ability for Jormag? Or perhaps it is only possible because the puppet is exceptionally corrupted by Jormag.

    My guess is that it's how Jormag mixes Mind and Death magic.

    Do we know if Jormag received the mind spectrum? We definitely know he got death and plant as shown by the Icebrood abomination. Kralkatorrik received Death and Mind.

    But couldnt he talk to people in the distant past already there are books about the dragon talking to norn and such long before the plant dragon died so i think this is just his power correct. Also he was already able to keep frozen thins alive before the death dragon died to... this all seems like its just mostly him. If he knows what happend to kralkatorrik from eating different spectrums of magic maybe he chose not to do such things.

    Jormag speaking to us, is most likely Jormag using his persuasion sphere rather then mind, as Aesgeir mentions in The Burden, which is written before Mordremoth dies( or awake for that matter).

    As for manipulating the corpses, this is likely how Jormag is choosing to use the Death Magic Sphere, as it’s been stated by devs that only Zhaitan has powers to control the dead. You could make the argument that’s it’s because the Fraenir was Icebrood, however Jormag used the same ability with Almorra too.

    But what about all the frozen being jormag has commanded before zhaitan died.... i dont think this is the case of him using the death spectrum i think its something he could already do. Obviously warm blooded beings cant survive in the dead winters that jormag covers his areas with eventually even the snavir freeze to death yet they still animate you can see this on foes even in the core early stage of the game as they appear corrupted with ice growing out of their bodys or through what would surely be vital areas.
    I dont think it matters when it comes down to Fraenir vs Allmora
    Franeir was still a very new subject of jormag (at least i think based on hour our grumpy norn talks about him).

    I personally think if you die in general and once your body is cold enough perhaps partly frozen he/she can control it with his magic more like persuading it to move or say what he wants it to say rather than resurrecting it like an undead/risen. Keep in mind both Fraenir and Almorra did not stay alive after Jormag used them. They fell right back to the ground and showed what was no sign of life which might mean its not a true resurrection of any kind just subjugation over a cold object that no longer has any will of its own.

    If you follow some of the AI's being whispered too right now they walk of to certain locations and freeze to death and die litterally (they get a freezing to death debuff) i would assume that this is how jormag is going to get its army by freezing the bodys and later just controlling them via subjugation even thought they are technically dead.

  • @ZDragon.3046 said:
    But what about all the frozen being jormag has commanded before zhaitan died.... i dont think this is the case of him using the death spectrum i think its something he could already do. Obviously warm blooded beings cant survive in the dead winters that jormag covers his areas with eventually even the snavir freeze to death yet they still animate you can see this on foes even in the core early stage of the game as they appear corrupted with ice growing out of their bodys or through what would surely be vital areas.
    I dont think it matters when it comes down to Fraenir vs Allmora
    Franeir was still a very new subject of jormag (at least i think based on hour our grumpy norn talks about him).

    I personally think if you die in general and once your body is cold enough perhaps partly frozen he/she can control it with his magic more like persuading it to move or say what he wants it to say rather than resurrecting it like an undead/risen. Keep in mind both Fraenir and Almorra did not stay alive after Jormag used them. They fell right back to the ground and showed what was no sign of life which might mean its not a true resurrection of any kind just subjugation over a cold object that no longer has any will of its own.

    If you follow some of the AI's being whispered too right now they walk of to certain locations and freeze to death and die litterally (they get a freezing to death debuff) i would assume that this is how jormag is going to get its army by freezing the bodys and later just controlling them via subjugation even thought they are technically dead.

    None of those "frozen beings" were a) directly puppeted by Jormag, or b) dead. Nor was Almorra - who was puppeted by Jormag - an Icebrood.

    Icebrood do slowly convert to ice, but they're not "dead" even if they don't have pumping blood. As weird as that may sound, but the same concept applies to branded which are crystal or destroyers that are rock and lava.

    This is the first time we've ever seen or heard about Jormag personally controlling another being, or manipulating the dead. Which to me suggests this is how Jormag's making use of what little mind and death magic they've gotten.

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