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Full Server not so full

In the last few weeks almost 2 guilds left Piken, last one was The entire Kiss guild, and also many other players of other guilds, but the server still result as "Full", I do WvW every day and sincerely i don't see so may people playing, so I just wonder what could be this so called "algorithm" ANet use to set this "Full" status, anyone has information about it? I've read past ANet posts about it but no one really explain clearly the input variables and the logic.

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  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    well the server is full on pve, wvw is boring so no one plays it

  • joneirikb.7506joneirikb.7506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There is no clear answer like "this is how it works " because ANet never given that out, and they won't.

    So "full" just means you're over the "total play hours in wvw" treshold they've set (and that we don't know). And that you still got more of those "total play hours in wvw" than the majority of other servers have.

    That, and humans always see others as having more than they actually do, and themselves as having less than they actually do. When a human sees numbers as "fair" or "equal" it's more like 60/40 in their own advantage.

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  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2019

    @NaramSin.2693 said:
    I've read past ANet posts about it but no one really explain clearly the input variables and the logic.

    They won't explain in detail, because they don't want ppl to game the system. So, at least that tells us one thing: the system can be gamed. And guess what ppl are doing: they are gaming the flawed system.

    "full" just means "no more transfers allowed". Doesn't mean that every map is full at prime. Maybe your server has lots of players that go unnoticed:

    • roamers
    • ppl that only do dailies
    • players during off-hours / after midnight
    • guild raids with invisible private tags

    Regarding the "algorithm": they count all playtime hours that ppl on the server have spent in WvW, over a longer time span of prolly 4 weeks or so. I would guess that ppl who transfer from or to the server take their playtime hours with them. So, a server can be closed immediately (tuesday) after a bigger influx transfer. And it can remain closed if lots of players go offline for some weeks (e. g. because they dislike the current MM or link).

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2019

    Right only WvW hours played count.... but full is not equal on different servers... bb for example will nearly never reach full even if they have double the hours as others..
    Further anet tried to solve the problem that a server can be tricked from full to very high by players not doing wvw for a week or two like Kodash once did... Dzagonur s got the same problem.... players leavin or stop wvw ing but server still full... system failure which anet will never admit :)

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭

    a server that has 80% of its community standing for the daily warg is also counted as "very high" or full populated servers, while servers like baruch will never become really "full". Thats due to being the only server of one country, even if there arent many citizen of this country on that server

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So do you wvw 24 hours a day? there's effectively 4 major time zones, NA OCX Sea EU, just because you don't see people on your time, doesn't mean they're not playing through the times you're off. You may know what major guilds are moving, but you don't know if all their members left, and I highly doubt you know about all the pugs and their play times.

    It's active wvw play hours(not pve) they count for the population levels, and probably anyone who has more than like 5 hours of play to exclude the daily hunters for the week, not much else to observe, they don't count time zones separately. The population levels tend to be updated on the wiki every monday, this is when servers tend to open, and then further into the week if a server quickly closes due to bandwagons.

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  • LaGranse.8652LaGranse.8652 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2019

    I am in one of the servers fighting against Piken right now and you seem to have equal or more numbers than us most parts of the day. Seems like you are full enough to match a server and its link in numbers by your own.

  • Sleepwalker.1398Sleepwalker.1398 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There are some people that only join in to fights on reset night and then disappear for the rest of the week.
    There also players that i see, that often reach a certain reward point (gold chest or plat chest) and then leave to go do pve because its more rewarding (ie. gold wise).

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sleepwalker.1398 said:
    There are some people that only join in to fights on reset night and then disappear for the rest of the week.
    There also players that i see, that often reach a certain reward point (gold chest or plat chest) and then leave to go do pve because its more rewarding (ie. gold wise).

    There are also people that join and see oh look it's another blobfest week and log off.

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 1, 2019

    I've been on a permanently full server for many years, and it doesn't mean anything. It just represents average play time, and that play time is shared by more than just zergs, its shared by people doing dailies, roamers, "open world PvPers", organised GvG and more.

    A full server doesn't mean that you'll even see five people in the same place at all hours of the day.

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  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I would suggest asking this on Reddit

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 1, 2019

    A server is Full when ANet says it's full. Trust them. Please.

  • Lottie.5370Lottie.5370 Member ✭✭✭

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    well the server is full on pve, wvw is boring so no one plays it

    Actually no, PvE population does not affect the server status.

    You will have to wait to the next server re-link to see changes.

  • I still think that ANet system it's bugged or not working at all, I went in WvW at every hour of the day/night (not 24h obviously) and compared to other servers "not full" PS have many, many people less, and yes, when kiss left all the guild left, my opinion is that the threshold used for the "Full" status it's not the same and every server have it's own value, btw this kind of system for servers it's a nonsense, let's hope one day they could stop to implement silly things and get back to the core system fixing all those bugs.

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    So do you wvw 24 hours a day? there's effectively 4 major time zones, NA OCX Sea EU, just because you don't see people on your time, doesn't mean they're not playing through the times you're off. You may know what major guilds are moving, but you don't know if all their members left, and I highly doubt you know about all the pugs and their play times.

    It's active wvw play hours(not pve) they count for the population levels, and probably anyone who has more than like 5 hours of play to exclude the daily hunters for the week, not much else to observe, they don't count time zones separately. The population levels tend to be updated on the wiki every monday, this is when servers tend to open, and then further into the week if a server quickly closes due to bandwagons.

  • @Mil.3562 said:
    A server is Full when ANet says it's full. Trust them. Please.

    I agree, it is also my opinion

  • Slick.7164Slick.7164 Member ✭✭✭

    Did you guys see that other server that went to t4 because they wanted a link and then all of a sudden they coming back without a link. Is wierd. They need a link and then they dont, I do not know how to make sense of this. How can than happen, must be anet and BG magic?

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2019

    on my server I have on Friday I have 50-100 queue on ebg, and where I see zero , or 1 comm, and 1-30 on others, where mostly always no comm, same on next day, and 30-50 queue only on ebg on last day of weekend.
    on midle week total sum of population about 15-30 on all servers I think

    Now question, it is full ?

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2019

    @lare.5129 said:
    on my server I have on Friday I have 50-100 queue on ebg, and where I see zero , or 1 comm, and 1-30 on others, where mostly always no comm, same on next day, and 30-50 queue only on ebg on last day of weekend.
    on midle week total sum of population about 15-30 on all servers I think

    Now question, it is full ?

    The queues are from zergs moving between maps and have nothing to do with server capacity.

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  • Kirnale.5914Kirnale.5914 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:
    on my server I have on Friday I have 50-100 queue on ebg, and where I see zero , or 1 comm, and 1-30 on others, where mostly always no comm, same on next day, and 30-50 queue only on ebg on last day of weekend.
    on midle week total sum of population about 15-30 on all servers I think

    Now question, it is full ?

    Here is what I experienced so far from 2 high servers, if we just take a look at the weekend. You can compare them with your full server if you like.

    Server A: Here is a "high" server's weekend: almost no players on friday (from main server no leads), most people are from linking partner and one guild 15 people from main server. Players starts playing on saturday night, usually 1-2 zergs, with the support of link. Sundays morning 10-15. Daytime is carried by roamers of link + main and some no voice tag. Sunday night 2 zergs, one bigger 40+ and the other smaller (10+) no queue.

    Server B: Here is another high server's weekend: 3x40+ zergs on reset with minor nightcapping and couple of roamers. Saturday morning + daytime = small zerg, usually 10+. Primetime 1 public with 30+ and 3-4 guilds, which lasts for 2 hours. No nightcapping. Sunday early morning a couple of people, not more than 10, short playtime. If lucky, another one tags up. Again, a few people during daytime. And if lucky 1public + guilds or just guilds during primetime. No nightcapping.

    Comparing both: Server B is stronger during weekend, but weaker during the week. Both are labeled at high by anets system. One have low queue on fridays reset (B), usually 10-15~, one doesn't have any at all (A).

    Now, is it high?

    If you add both up, you would have a really active linking. That's too much for anets standard though, thats why high servers usually gets linked with medium servers.

  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    Full is the new dead.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hannelore.8153 said:

    @lare.5129 said:
    on my server I have on Friday I have 50-100 queue on ebg, and where I see zero , or 1 comm, and 1-30 on others, where mostly always no comm, same on next day, and 30-50 queue only on ebg on last day of weekend.
    on midle week total sum of population about 15-30 on all servers I think

    Now question, it is full ?

    The queues are from zergs moving between maps and have nothing to do with server capacity.

    I think it wrong image. Why ? Because I reg to ebg myself, and if my number is 70 after 40-60 min the number is 30.
    If zerg migrate one by one hour - this is not zerg.

    We have a lot of content, so how I see people like do wvw at weekend, and like me not have time on work/study day for that. And I like it.
    And no matter how empty server at middle week, if we add players we will get more queue at weekend and same empty map on middle of week.

  • gebrechen.5643gebrechen.5643 Member ✭✭✭

    Is that the same Piken Square, that went from tier 4 with no link into tier 1 and dropped now to tier 2? Not sure what the problem is.

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  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2019

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    well the server is full on pve, wvw is boring so no one plays it

    Pve gametime is not counted into the calculation of how full a server is.

    It will take a few days, even 1 or 2 weeks for the server status to change, otherwise it would be way too easy to just tank, open the server up and let a big load of ppl transfer onto the server and then play on full force with an overstacked server.

    @""SeikeNz.3526"
    What are you even doing in the wvw subforum? All posts ive seen in here from you are negative towards the mode and in not a single way constructive.

    Did the pvp ppl bully you away?

  • @gebrechen.5643 said:
    Is that the same Piken Square, that went from tier 4 with no link into tier 1 and dropped now to tier 2? Not sure what the problem is.

    Probably not, or maybe you read the tiers upside down so tier 5 is tier 1 for you and tier 4 is tier 2 (where PS is located now).

    Random pug scum

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    so the main idea if at Friday and evenings weekend we have queue - no matter how is empty on other day and time - the server is full.
    Because anyway any increase population only add more numbers in queue , not not add anyone in middle of the week.

  • they increased the cap again, what do u expect ?

    HoD

  • I do believe ANET should verify that their threshold system it's not bugged. It cannot be that a server like GH moved from medium to very high so jumping of two tiers and PS remain still full. Please do a check.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2019

    Why would the method of status determination be secret if there wasn't something dodgy/nefarious about it?
    I believe there is also something suspicious about the map caps, which were never revealed either.

    Thief OP? Better nerf Scourge ... again.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2019

    mmmm makes me wonder how eu is now. :3 i wonder if they catched up to na in skill.

    i hope there would be an na vs eu gvg again.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • MELORD.5013MELORD.5013 Member ✭✭
    edited December 3, 2019

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    mmmm makes me wonder how eu is now. :3 i wonder if they catched up to na in skill.

    i play in both NA and Eu
    and you can't compare Eu wvw with NA
    Eu Has much better players

    [KEKW]

  • @MELORD.5013 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    mmmm makes me wonder how eu is now. :3 i wonder if they catched up to na in skill.

    i play in both NA and Eu
    and you can't compare Eu wvw with NA
    Eu Has much better players

    Not running from fights pays off? Who would have thought

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MELORD.5013 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    mmmm makes me wonder how eu is now. :3 i wonder if they catched up to na in skill.

    i play in both NA and Eu
    and you can't compare Eu wvw with NA
    Eu Has much better players

    i'm talking about gvgs. when was the last time eu beat na? when ep visited a long time ago?

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:
    I do believe ANET should verify that their threshold system it's not bugged. It cannot be that a server like GH moved from medium to very high so jumping of two tiers and PS remain still full. Please do a check.

    You get the full is the highest right? So you could have a full w 40k hours and a server w 50k hours would be labled the same so if the 50k server loses 8k hours it is still full. The threshold isn't broken you are just so far above or now the one's left play more you still stay full.

  • @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:
    I do believe ANET should verify that their threshold system it's not bugged. It cannot be that a server like GH moved from medium to very high so jumping of two tiers and PS remain still full. Please do a check.

    You get the full is the highest right? So you could have a full w 40k hours and a server w 50k hours would be labled the same so if the 50k server loses 8k hours it is still full. The threshold isn't broken you are just so far above or now the one's left play more you still stay full.

    I still prefer to get an answer by ANET . Thanks

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:
    I do believe ANET should verify that their threshold system it's not bugged. It cannot be that a server like GH moved from medium to very high so jumping of two tiers and PS remain still full. Please do a check.

    You get the full is the highest right? So you could have a full w 40k hours and a server w 50k hours would be labled the same so if the 50k server loses 8k hours it is still full. The threshold isn't broken you are just so far above or now the one's left play more you still stay full.

    I still prefer to get an answer by ANET . Thanks

    Maybe ask on Reddit then?

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What has been suggested before by other players (which in no way means it’s accurate) is maybe they established a threshold based on particular legacy servers. That was thrown out secondary to BG remaining full despite guilds leaving and other servers becoming full on NA.

    They have the ability to manually set that threshold where they choose. They also have the ability to keep a server closed even if they drop below the threshold.

    They won’t tell us where servers are. The closest to that was a nebulous graph that depicted play hours of servers with no names attached.

    In my (understandably far from official) opinion, they have picked an NA and an EU server that, for now, will be the threshold for full. So if those servers drop, they will likely stay full, and others will appear full that may not have actually gained a populace.

    It would be a logical option, therefore appearing to have servers gain population while keeping the servers who believe that, for example, BG killed the mode happy keeping them closed.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:
    I do believe ANET should verify that their threshold system it's not bugged. It cannot be that a server like GH moved from medium to very high so jumping of two tiers and PS remain still full. Please do a check.

    You get the full is the highest right? So you could have a full w 40k hours and a server w 50k hours would be labled the same so if the 50k server loses 8k hours it is still full. The threshold isn't broken you are just so far above or now the one's left play more you still stay full.

    I still prefer to get an answer by ANET . Thanks

    Maybe ask on Reddit then?

    And I am not trying to be a young cat, but there is not a single Anet response on any thread on this page that wasn’t a started be an Anet Tag. And exactly One on the second page of this forum.

    You just aren’t likely to get a response here.

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  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Friday is reset and a lot of people will play from reset through the weekend, it's been like that since day one, it's not something to use to measure population as even the lowest servers can have full queues on reset.

    There are players who only play during these times and not through the rest of the week. There are guilds who play on certain days for certain hours. Not everyone plays every single day, some people may play 1-2 hours a day, some may do 8-12 hours. Just imagine every one of those 8-12 hours people take up the same time of 4-6 other 1-2 hours a day people. So you look around and see your server is rated full but you don't see as much people as you think, maybe your server has a lot of long hour players, maybe you have off hours players, maybe there's tagless commanders running around with a guild sometimes and you don't see them, there's lots to be missed in wvw.

    The system isn't perfect, but it's better than just counting heads on a server, which we had before when every single account on a server were counted and screwed up numbers when servers way below others in wvw population would get locked. We could probably go back to just counting heads by just tagging players that play a minimum amount of hours in wvw, but I don't think you'll like that result either as pug populations and low play times could screw up those numbers for some servers again.

    And NO Anet should not reveal how the system works, because like everything else players will just sit there analyzing it to try and game the system to their advantage, just like they did back in the day slipping people in through the full servers by waiting for the drops during off hours.

    Now lastly let me point out a very simple example.
    Weekly stats, which are obviously low ball guestimated.
    ----- Piken 26,500 hours
    ----- BG 25,900 hours
    ----- Gandara 24,200 hours
    ----- Full status 24,000 hours
    ----- Very High 22,000 hours

    If both gandara and piken lose 60 players with the average of 2 hours raiding for 3 days on the week = 360 hours. From the example Gandara would fall down between full and very high, but Piken would still be full, just because an equal amount of people leave doesn't mean they would both fall under the threshold. Full status is the last line of measurement and servers can be way above it. Gandara has been riding that line in the last month, oct 28 full, nov 4 very high, nov 11 full, nov 19 full, nov 25 very high, dec 3 very high.

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  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    Problem is .. some servers habe to be "full" bcz of the total server numbers and further ... maybe the population is just a little too much to link them .. so set to full and all problems solved .. at least from Anet´s point of view ^^

  • gebrechen.5643gebrechen.5643 Member ✭✭✭

    @hallonknopp.6532 said:

    @gebrechen.5643 said:
    Is that the same Piken Square, that went from tier 4 with no link into tier 1 and dropped now to tier 2? Not sure what the problem is.

    Probably not, or maybe you read the tiers upside down so tier 5 is tier 1 for you and tier 4 is tier 2 (where PS is located now).

    Yeah, right?

    http://gw2stats.com/servers/history/8

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  • @gebrechen.5643 said:

    @hallonknopp.6532 said:

    @gebrechen.5643 said:
    Is that the same Piken Square, that went from tier 4 with no link into tier 1 and dropped now to tier 2? Not sure what the problem is.

    Probably not, or maybe you read the tiers upside down so tier 5 is tier 1 for you and tier 4 is tier 2 (where PS is located now).

    Yeah, right?

    http://gw2stats.com/servers/history/8

    Eh... rank is not tier. Rank is rank and how that is calculated and used in anyway I welcome you to explain. Tier is which match up a server is in and PS is in tier 4 (out of 5).

    Random pug scum

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    so summary, we should more easy understand that, something like:
    if at Friday and weekend server have queue - the server is full.

  • gebrechen.5643gebrechen.5643 Member ✭✭✭

    @hallonknopp.6532 said:

    @gebrechen.5643 said:

    @hallonknopp.6532 said:

    @gebrechen.5643 said:
    Is that the same Piken Square, that went from tier 4 with no link into tier 1 and dropped now to tier 2? Not sure what the problem is.

    Probably not, or maybe you read the tiers upside down so tier 5 is tier 1 for you and tier 4 is tier 2 (where PS is located now).

    Yeah, right?

    http://gw2stats.com/servers/history/8

    Eh... rank is not tier. Rank is rank and how that is calculated and used in anyway I welcome you to explain. Tier is which match up a server is in and PS is in tier 4 (out of 5).

    It is now, Piken still is one of the fullest servers EU. Just because some people don't play, doesn't mean you need a link or life support, or something.

    Disciples of the monkey god [Apes]

  • @gebrechen.5643 said:

    @hallonknopp.6532 said:

    @gebrechen.5643 said:

    @hallonknopp.6532 said:

    @gebrechen.5643 said:
    Is that the same Piken Square, that went from tier 4 with no link into tier 1 and dropped now to tier 2? Not sure what the problem is.

    Probably not, or maybe you read the tiers upside down so tier 5 is tier 1 for you and tier 4 is tier 2 (where PS is located now).

    Yeah, right?

    http://gw2stats.com/servers/history/8

    Eh... rank is not tier. Rank is rank and how that is calculated and used in anyway I welcome you to explain. Tier is which match up a server is in and PS is in tier 4 (out of 5).

    It is now, Piken still is one of the fullest servers EU. Just because some people don't play, doesn't mean you need a link or life support, or something.

    Based on what data do you tell it is one of the fullest ? We have even no queue at the friday reset or just a small one in one border.

  • Len.1879Len.1879 Member ✭✭

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:
    Based on what data do you tell it is one of the fullest ? We have even no queue at the friday reset or just a small one in one border.


    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Europe

  • XECOR.2814XECOR.2814 Member ✭✭✭

    @Len.1879 said:

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:
    Based on what data do you tell it is one of the fullest ? We have even no queue at the friday reset or just a small one in one border.


    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Europe

    You should get an award for this. Like 200iq. Man never seem someone so smart before. /s

  • Len.1879Len.1879 Member ✭✭

    @XECOR.2814 said:

    @Len.1879 said:

    @Duca di Ebonhawke.1045 said:
    Based on what data do you tell it is one of the fullest ? We have even no queue at the friday reset or just a small one in one border.


    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Europe

    You should get an award for this. Like 200iq. Man never seem someone so smart before. /s

    Not sure what you are being facetious about. That's exactly what was being asked.

  • Well the ANET explanation isn't useful at all, they talk about an "algorithm" and "Thresholds" but noting specific (must be a really secret algorithm...), so since new kiss map rised 2 levels (from medium to very high) just after they went there I still find strange the original server, piken, still its' "Full" with so few people doing WvW actively it will be linked soon i think :) and it will be clear that the so called "algorithm" it's just a never resolved usual bugged stuff :)

    A “Full” server is a server with a number of Active WvW Players (as defined by the algorithm) above a certain threshold. It has nothing to do with hardware limitations, or PvE players.

    The “Full” threshold is slightly different than the other ones because it doesn’t have an upper limit. So some servers can be just slightly above the threshold and marked “Full”, and some other servers might be well over it, and also marked “Full”, even though their populations aren’t really balanced.

    The intent is that since you can’t join or transfer to a “Full” server, their populations are going to diminish over time, until eventually they reach “Very High” again. At this point, all “Full” servers are going to be balanced. This won’t be right away, though, since we’re not kicking anyone out of their servers.

  • Exactly my opinion, ANEt should ask for help in this question, i'm sure here in the forum many people could help them to find a better and easier system to manage WvW population so let people enjoy the game

    @Mouldie.2851 said:
    Who demanded anything??????? It was just a post stating what i'd like to see. A system where 50-60 players leave PS and go to GH. GH goes very high the next count but PS, even tho it lost 50-60, stays full. Something is going seriously wrong with the system used to calculate all this and it's unfair that the players are suffering for it, not being able to play with friends as they are on different servers and can't move because a server is full for 12 months, even when so many players leave.