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Revenant needs more weapon choices ASAP

JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭
edited December 13, 2019 in Revenant

Title

From a pvp perspective Revenant is severely lacking any real choice.

Hammer is unviable in pvp and has always been even at its strongest in 2015.

Mace mainhand is only useful against people In gold as the way it targets and the lack of a snare makes the main source of damage from this weapon (#2 and #3) unreliable.

Shield is underpowered

Staff is underpowered and is never a weapon you will use other than to break pressure.

Shortbow is still a meme.

Axe is only really useful to a condo build as the power damage coefficients are too low.

Sword mainhand has been nerfed from a high burst high sustain main hand weapon to a 0 burst, moderate sustain only weapon.

The choices are basically made for you if you know how to do math and can logically assess how to combat flows in this game.

We need new weapon choices ASAP. AT LEAST 3 -THREE-

Greatsword
Dagger main hand and off hand
Pistol

It’s bad enough that legends are stagnant choices and the trees can not be alternated much as most trees fulfil a dedicated conflicting role.

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Comments

  • I want core condi rifle.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I want a greatsword that's a nodachi skin and cool samurai like strikes to pair with shiro :)
    Be cool in my books

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2019

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud

    Kinda reminds guardians they wanted bow cause ranger was low effort pew pew.
    Anet gave them pew not so pew.

    Melee power GS for next elite would be amazing but imo current rev problem isn’t elite weapon so i would request a CORE weapon like secpter or some offhand.

    Wich imo rev lacking weapon issues is in its core structure.

    Slayers [XD] NSP Guild
    Yao Chen Herald/Ventari
    Ying Wuxian Renegade/Demon

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    tbh staff isnt about to do damage, but it still doing quiet high damage .... its one of the best multi-functional damage weapons in the game (right after the scrappers hammer)

    shortbow is kinda op, it should do a bit more power-dmg and less condi damage tho

    shield =bad indeed!

    mace is pretty good even without auto-attacks , but still only condi

    axe is a good power & condi-weapon , maybe even better than sword offhand (wish axe4 wouldnt be so weird)

    hammer.

    after all... revenant in pvp compared to all other gamemodes is a whole new class. Its only a viable pvp-class through its buggy teleports. They should redo every balance from rev & make it a bit more equal between the modes.

    (bonus comment: please no pistol. Its nothing a warden from the mists should have. How about an Mainhand axe or a horn?)

  • @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    or they can just improve the existing weapons

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    Would be nice with a second condi weapon that's properly useable against players, or for shortbow to get reworked.

    Staff getting some condis on it's skills (like 1/1/2 stacks of torment on auto, 1 stack of burn on 3 and maybe 1 stack of torment/hit from 5) would be the lazy solution.

    Getting something like condi greatsword (ideally as a melee weapon) would be amazing. As far as power goes revenant has enough options imo.

    Ögonen omges av vita och svarta penseldrag som gör att de ser större ut än vad de egentligen är. Baksidan av lodjurets öron kantas av svart päls som slutar i den karaktäristiska tofsen högst upp på örat. Lodjurets svans är kortare än de flesta andra kattdjurs.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Give us a horn! I wanna shout into the microphone!

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Would be nice with a second condi weapon that's properly useable against players, or for shortbow to get reworked.

    Staff getting some condis on it's skills (like 1/1/2 stacks of torment on auto, 1 stack of burn on 3 and maybe 1 stack of torment/hit from 5) would be the lazy solution.

    Getting something like condi greatsword (ideally as a melee weapon) would be amazing. As far as power goes revenant has enough options imo.

    So does condi

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Let’s wait to see how Anet will shaft all classes gimmicks with the streamlined balance they want to do, only after that IMO we can request changes.

    Maybe rev is actually decent and its the other classes that ended having a bit more than intended due how game was being built based on awfull iteration/balance process.

    Slayers [XD] NSP Guild
    Yao Chen Herald/Ventari
    Ying Wuxian Renegade/Demon

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Slayers [XD] NSP Guild
    Yao Chen Herald/Ventari
    Ying Wuxian Renegade/Demon

  • Vasdamas Anklast.1607Vasdamas Anklast.1607 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Basically, everyone wrecks the kitten out of you unless it's some lame match up with people like BB server on EU which is mostly populated by zerglings that can't 1v1, no offense.
    I have some of my own untraditional builds up in my sleeve that only work against that CERTAIN BUILD some class has but when I said viable I meant viable vs more than just one pick from meta box.

  • Clownmug.8357Clownmug.8357 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Would be nice with a second condi weapon that's properly useable against players, or for shortbow to get reworked.

    Staff getting some condis on it's skills (like 1/1/2 stacks of torment on auto, 1 stack of burn on 3 and maybe 1 stack of torment/hit from 5) would be the lazy solution.

    Getting something like condi greatsword (ideally as a melee weapon) would be amazing. As far as power goes revenant has enough options imo.

    So does condi

    Power has a viable bar swap, 2 if you count hammer. Condi doesn't, I have tried shortbow extensively and it's really mediocre.

    Power rev has sword/sword+staff for a melee build, or hammer as a ranged option.

    Condi rev has mace+axe which are fantastic but there's no second set of melee weapons for what is a very melee oriented class. Shortbow is mostly a pve weapon, hell I'd much rather have a second offhand weapon for condi even if you're locked to running nacre on 2 bars then, but there isn't

    Ögonen omges av vita och svarta penseldrag som gör att de ser större ut än vad de egentligen är. Baksidan av lodjurets öron kantas av svart päls som slutar i den karaktäristiska tofsen högst upp på örat. Lodjurets svans är kortare än de flesta andra kattdjurs.

  • @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Would be nice with a second condi weapon that's properly useable against players, or for shortbow to get reworked.

    Staff getting some condis on it's skills (like 1/1/2 stacks of torment on auto, 1 stack of burn on 3 and maybe 1 stack of torment/hit from 5) would be the lazy solution.

    Getting something like condi greatsword (ideally as a melee weapon) would be amazing. As far as power goes revenant has enough options imo.

    So does condi

    Power has a viable bar swap, 2 if you count hammer. Condi doesn't

    Shortbow is as viable as hammer.

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Would be nice with a second condi weapon that's properly useable against players, or for shortbow to get reworked.

    Staff getting some condis on it's skills (like 1/1/2 stacks of torment on auto, 1 stack of burn on 3 and maybe 1 stack of torment/hit from 5) would be the lazy solution.

    Getting something like condi greatsword (ideally as a melee weapon) would be amazing. As far as power goes revenant has enough options imo.

    So does condi

    Power has a viable bar swap, 2 if you count hammer. Condi doesn't

    Shortbow is as viable as hammer.

    Nah hammer is much better overall, both are fairly poor for melee though.

    Either way power rev has sword+staff which are both good weapons

    Condi rev has mace+offbar for stack sigil, the offbar options are staff (for 2 defensive skills and 9 sec of 0 dmg) or bow which is very much not a pvp weapon

    Ögonen omges av vita och svarta penseldrag som gör att de ser större ut än vad de egentligen är. Baksidan av lodjurets öron kantas av svart päls som slutar i den karaktäristiska tofsen högst upp på örat. Lodjurets svans är kortare än de flesta andra kattdjurs.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Would be nice with a second condi weapon that's properly useable against players, or for shortbow to get reworked.

    Staff getting some condis on it's skills (like 1/1/2 stacks of torment on auto, 1 stack of burn on 3 and maybe 1 stack of torment/hit from 5) would be the lazy solution.

    Getting something like condi greatsword (ideally as a melee weapon) would be amazing. As far as power goes revenant has enough options imo.

    So does condi

    Power has a viable bar swap, 2 if you count hammer. Condi doesn't

    Shortbow is as viable as hammer.

    Nah hammer is much better overall, both are fairly poor for melee though.

    Either way power rev has sword+staff which are both good weapons

    Condi rev has mace+offbar for stack sigil, the offbar options are staff (for 2 defensive skills and 9 sec of 0 dmg) or bow which is very much not a pvp weapon

    Staff is used for utility (projectile block and CC) and not DPS.

    Hammer is used in WvW for Coalescence and it being a ranged weapon. It can be used in PvE but it’s suboptimal. I don’t think it’s used at all in sPvP.

    Sword is only used in PvE and sPvP. It’s not used in zerg fights in WvW.

    For sb, there are a few builds on metabattle but I don’t believe condi is really meta for anything but PvE.

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Would be nice with a second condi weapon that's properly useable against players, or for shortbow to get reworked.

    Staff getting some condis on it's skills (like 1/1/2 stacks of torment on auto, 1 stack of burn on 3 and maybe 1 stack of torment/hit from 5) would be the lazy solution.

    Getting something like condi greatsword (ideally as a melee weapon) would be amazing. As far as power goes revenant has enough options imo.

    So does condi

    Power has a viable bar swap, 2 if you count hammer. Condi doesn't

    Shortbow is as viable as hammer.

    Nah hammer is much better overall, both are fairly poor for melee though.

    Either way power rev has sword+staff which are both good weapons

    Condi rev has mace+offbar for stack sigil, the offbar options are staff (for 2 defensive skills and 9 sec of 0 dmg) or bow which is very much not a pvp weapon

    Staff is used for utility (projectile block and CC) and not DPS.

    It's a normal block and the damage isn't fantastic but it isn't nonexistent on power rev, staff 5 is even after the nerfs a fairly high dmg skill. It's the default secondary weapon for power rev in smallscale fights, because it's a versatile weapon that can be defensive or have bursty cc and okay-ish autos.

    Hammer is used in WvW for Coalescence and it being a ranged weapon. It can be used in PvE but it’s suboptimal. I don’t think it’s used at all in sPvP.

    Ye see it has a use against other players and it's better than shortbow there by a lot.

    Sword is only used in PvE and sPvP. It’s not used in zerg fights in WvW.

    WvW is more than zergfights almost every single power rev runs sword+staff for smallscale.

    For sb, there are a few builds on metabattle but I don’t believe condi is really meta for anything but PvE.

    Condi rev might not be meta but for smallscale WvW it's fairly strong. If it had a second weapon it would be a lot better.

    I currently run bow over staff on condi rev because at least I can kill guards on it for my stacks shudders and use it if stuck pirate shipping, but that should hardly be the only option for condi rev when power rev has a good staff.

    More weapons would always be good but condi rev is far worse off

    Note: Talking about the wvw version of staff when I say staff 5 does good dmg.

    Ögonen omges av vita och svarta penseldrag som gör att de ser större ut än vad de egentligen är. Baksidan av lodjurets öron kantas av svart päls som slutar i den karaktäristiska tofsen högst upp på örat. Lodjurets svans är kortare än de flesta andra kattdjurs.

  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Agreed that condi needs more options than power. Sword can be pseudo-hybridized thanks to Abyssal Chill, but it has no offhand to pair with it. Running Shortbow/Mace+Axe is obviously the best for DPS, but for actual effectiveness and viability, having a block goes a long way. The kiting potential of staff is indescribably helpful in WvW especially, when at any chance you will be outnumbered and will have to reposition; staff allows this to happen. Condi Rev isnt in as bad of a position as it used to be: Embrace the Darkness allows for sustained damage output with any weapon, which is a really wonderful thing. I still stand by my assertion that the core class would benefit more than anything from a defensive offhand weapon that synergizes with both power and condi builds. The old sword 4 block was invaluable, but core Rev wasn't as viable as it is now, so it didn't see as much value or play. Restoring that block via a new offhand weapon would go miles for the core class. Perhaps a bit redundant when considering Herald, but IMO Herald's shield should be geared more towards boon support and healing. Give it some boonrip or energy manipulation and we have ourselves a properly up to date offhand weapon.

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @Pterikdactyl.7630 said:
    Agreed that condi needs more options than power. Sword can be pseudo-hybridized thanks to Abyssal Chill, but it has no offhand to pair with it. Running Shortbow/Mace+Axe is obviously the best for DPS, but for actual effectiveness and viability, having a block goes a long way. The kiting potential of staff is indescribably helpful in WvW especially, when at any chance you will be outnumbered and will have to reposition; staff allows this to happen. Condi Rev isnt in as bad of a position as it used to be: Embrace the Darkness allows for sustained damage output with any weapon, which is a really wonderful thing. I still stand by my assertion that the core class would benefit more than anything from a defensive offhand weapon that synergizes with both power and condi builds. The old sword 4 block was invaluable, but core Rev wasn't as viable as it is now, so it didn't see as much value or play. Restoring that block via a new offhand weapon would go miles for the core class. Perhaps a bit redundant when considering Herald, but IMO Herald's shield should be geared more towards boon support and healing. Give it some boonrip or energy manipulation and we have ourselves a properly up to date offhand weapon.

    Agreed on missing the sword block, being able to access a defensive skill without crippling your damage for 10 sec was very nice.

    A defensive+boonrip offhand would be amazing, or a second offensive, or a pure defensive tbh. Mace cooldown are short enough to main hand it on both bars.

    But ye overall I agree condi rev is in an okay spot just imo missing weapon swap

    Ögonen omges av vita och svarta penseldrag som gör att de ser större ut än vad de egentligen är. Baksidan av lodjurets öron kantas av svart päls som slutar i den karaktäristiska tofsen högst upp på örat. Lodjurets svans är kortare än de flesta andra kattdjurs.

  • Vasdamas Anklast.1607Vasdamas Anklast.1607 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2019

    @Scoobaniec.9561 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

    Loot bags is good. But making shortbow good is better imo
    I actually ran into some renegade trailblazer/dire fucknuggets this week. One of them even kept chasing me after 20 minutes of me repetedly humiliating him and some guardian at SW camp of alpine border trying to prove something while bombarding my private inbox. The only other as miserable spec as renegade I know is probably staff ele though I must agree that renegade is still more powerful that it at some point kek

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

    Are you all guys playing on NA? I have some EU wars right here glaring menacingly at your posts

  • zaswer.5246zaswer.5246 Member ✭✭✭

    I guess everyone has already realiced it at this point but ill say it just in case.
    In PvP the condi range weapon is mediocre(not too bad but not good), while in raid, fractal the bad weapon is the hammer (too litlle dps because its too slow) , and shield is simply too bad.
    So 2 options either balance hamer for pve and sb for pvp or give us a new pair of weapons (double daggers condi medium range,gs power dmg close range)
    Also i think it would be great if the debs talked more in the forums

  • Clownmug.8357Clownmug.8357 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2019

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Scoobaniec.9561 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

    Loot bags is good. But making shortbow good is better imo
    I actually ran into some renegade trailblazer/dire fucknuggets this week. One of them even kept chasing me after 20 minutes of me repetedly humiliating him and some guardian at SW camp of alpine border trying to prove something while bombarding my private inbox. The only other as miserable spec as renegade I know is probably staff ele though I must agree that renegade is still more powerful that it at some point kek

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

    Are you all guys playing on NA? I have some EU wars right here glaring menacingly at your posts

    Yeah, I'm playing on NA. Not sure how most EU wars play, but like 90% of the ones here are running the same predictable builds, usually some variation with Defense + Discipline + Strength/Berserker/Spellbreaker traitlines. They take Last Stand as grandmaster so I know to not waste energy using Scorchrazor or other cc. They use GS + Axe/Shield so I just dodge and Risposting Shadows everything they do while auto-attacking them to death. Sometimes I even get lucky and find one not running shield trait so they get wrecked by Icerazor at the beginning of the fight.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2019

    @narcx.3570 said:
    This thread doesn't even make sense... You say Rev needs more weapon choices because every weapon they have is ether unusable or has been nerfed so hard that it's now grossly underpowered. While that's mostly true'ish, why would the solution to that be "Rev needs more weapons" instead of just making the ones they have useable/given back some of their previous power.

    Staff and Sword both used to have crazy burst, but it got removed for balance reasons... WHY would anet give Revs a new weapon to fill the burst role? They would just be simultaneously recreating that problem and making existing weapons even more irrelevant. If anet wanted revs to have more burst, they would just return dps to sotm/ps/ua or re-reduce the cat time of shackling.

    Let's be honest and admit that this is secretly just another "Plz let my edgeknight use his Twilight!" thread. :bleep_bloop:

    well some more weapons wouldnt be bad ^^ its getting a bit boring with the few weapons it has.
    Herald only playing with

    • hammer as only ranged option
    • staff as utility

    • Power dmg: Sword and Axe

    • Condi dmg: Mace and Axe

    and the crappy shield ofc...

  • @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Scoobaniec.9561 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

    Loot bags is good. But making shortbow good is better imo
    I actually ran into some renegade trailblazer/dire fucknuggets this week. One of them even kept chasing me after 20 minutes of me repetedly humiliating him and some guardian at SW camp of alpine border trying to prove something while bombarding my private inbox. The only other as miserable spec as renegade I know is probably staff ele though I must agree that renegade is still more powerful that it at some point kek

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

    Are you all guys playing on NA? I have some EU wars right here glaring menacingly at your posts

    Yeah, I'm playing on NA. Not sure how most EU wars play, but like 90% of the ones here are running the same predictable builds, usually some variation with Defense + Discipline + Strength/Berserker/Spellbreaker traitlines. They take Last Stand as grandmaster so I know to not waste energy using Scorchrazor or other cc. They use GS + Axe/Shield so I just dodge and Risposting Shadows everything they do while auto-attacking them to death. Sometimes I even get lucky and find one not running shield trait so they get wrecked by Icerazor at the beginning of the fight.

    No good war runs Defense nowadays. There are at least two other builds that never use defense.

    @narcx.3570 said:
    Let's be honest and admit that this is secretly just another "Plz let my edgeknight use his Twilight!" thread. :bleep_bloop:

    This is absurd yet very true.

    But yeah, you have your GS on your mesmer kitten so let people who actually main this class get what they wish. There were multiple polls here and it's pretty obvious what people want, no matter how vocal your minority is.

  • Clownmug.8357Clownmug.8357 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Scoobaniec.9561 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

    Loot bags is good. But making shortbow good is better imo
    I actually ran into some renegade trailblazer/dire fucknuggets this week. One of them even kept chasing me after 20 minutes of me repetedly humiliating him and some guardian at SW camp of alpine border trying to prove something while bombarding my private inbox. The only other as miserable spec as renegade I know is probably staff ele though I must agree that renegade is still more powerful that it at some point kek

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

    Are you all guys playing on NA? I have some EU wars right here glaring menacingly at your posts

    Yeah, I'm playing on NA. Not sure how most EU wars play, but like 90% of the ones here are running the same predictable builds, usually some variation with Defense + Discipline + Strength/Berserker/Spellbreaker traitlines. They take Last Stand as grandmaster so I know to not waste energy using Scorchrazor or other cc. They use GS + Axe/Shield so I just dodge and Risposting Shadows everything they do while auto-attacking them to death. Sometimes I even get lucky and find one not running shield trait so they get wrecked by Icerazor at the beginning of the fight.

    No good war runs Defense nowadays. There are at least two other builds that never use defense.

    I guess then there must not be any good wars left in NA because they all seem to run Shield Master, Defy Pain, and Last Stand, or at least 2 of those 3 traits.

  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2019

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Scoobaniec.9561 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

    Loot bags is good. But making shortbow good is better imo
    I actually ran into some renegade trailblazer/dire fucknuggets this week. One of them even kept chasing me after 20 minutes of me repetedly humiliating him and some guardian at SW camp of alpine border trying to prove something while bombarding my private inbox. The only other as miserable spec as renegade I know is probably staff ele though I must agree that renegade is still more powerful that it at some point kek

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

    Are you all guys playing on NA? I have some EU wars right here glaring menacingly at your posts

    Yeah, I'm playing on NA. Not sure how most EU wars play, but like 90% of the ones here are running the same predictable builds, usually some variation with Defense + Discipline + Strength/Berserker/Spellbreaker traitlines. They take Last Stand as grandmaster so I know to not waste energy using Scorchrazor or other cc. They use GS + Axe/Shield so I just dodge and Risposting Shadows everything they do while auto-attacking them to death. Sometimes I even get lucky and find one not running shield trait so they get wrecked by Icerazor at the beginning of the fight.

    No good war runs Defense nowadays. There are at least two other builds that never use defense.

    I guess then there must not be any good wars left in NA because they all seem to run Shield Master, Defy Pain, and Last Stand, or at least 2 of those 3 traits.

    Yeah most wars I run into on NA are double stance Defense monkeys. I see a few running without Defense every once in a while. They hurt, but are easier to shut down. More fun to fight for sure.

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pterikdactyl.7630 said:

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Scoobaniec.9561 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

    Loot bags is good. But making shortbow good is better imo
    I actually ran into some renegade trailblazer/dire fucknuggets this week. One of them even kept chasing me after 20 minutes of me repetedly humiliating him and some guardian at SW camp of alpine border trying to prove something while bombarding my private inbox. The only other as miserable spec as renegade I know is probably staff ele though I must agree that renegade is still more powerful that it at some point kek

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

    Are you all guys playing on NA? I have some EU wars right here glaring menacingly at your posts

    Yeah, I'm playing on NA. Not sure how most EU wars play, but like 90% of the ones here are running the same predictable builds, usually some variation with Defense + Discipline + Strength/Berserker/Spellbreaker traitlines. They take Last Stand as grandmaster so I know to not waste energy using Scorchrazor or other cc. They use GS + Axe/Shield so I just dodge and Risposting Shadows everything they do while auto-attacking them to death. Sometimes I even get lucky and find one not running shield trait so they get wrecked by Icerazor at the beginning of the fight.

    No good war runs Defense nowadays. There are at least two other builds that never use defense.

    I guess then there must not be any good wars left in NA because they all seem to run Shield Master, Defy Pain, and Last Stand, or at least 2 of those 3 traits.

    Yeah most wars I run into on NA are double stance Defense monkeys. I see a few running without Defense every once in a while. They hurt, but are easier to shut down. More fun to fight for sure.

    Yeah if a warrior doesn't run defense line it just gets blown up. If a warrior wants to kill stuff they just dump the elite specs and take strength I thought.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Pterikdactyl.7630 said:

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Scoobaniec.9561 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    Im inactive player who roam in wvw sometimes maybe once in a month out of bored and i have yet to run into a renegade that wouldnt be a free kill for my core condi rev. If they run shortbow i dont even dodge, that thing has no damage nor utility. But hey, keep providing free bags

    Loot bags is good. But making shortbow good is better imo
    I actually ran into some renegade trailblazer/dire fucknuggets this week. One of them even kept chasing me after 20 minutes of me repetedly humiliating him and some guardian at SW camp of alpine border trying to prove something while bombarding my private inbox. The only other as miserable spec as renegade I know is probably staff ele though I must agree that renegade is still more powerful that it at some point kek

    @Clownmug.8357 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Vasdamas Anklast.1607 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Rofl another greatsword thread !

    Knighthonor would be proud.

    I don't like Knighthonor guy but is wishing GS as new power weapon for revenant a bad thing? We got shortbow last time local hipster revenant society begged for ranged condi weapon.
    Any VIABLE VARIETY would be really good.

    I play condi bow, pve and wvw only a few classes can defeat me, it is a very good player or some class builder on low effort gimmicks like holo and Mesmer lamers.
    Firebrands weavers tempest, are easy to deal maybe a bit more that I was expecting.
    Scrapers are my counter so it’s possible I can’t do nothing to them or get defeated easilly.

    I'm running hybrid shortbow in wvw and have a similar experience. I'd say most melee builds are easy to handle, even warriors if you master dodging their telegraphed attacks. Scrapper fights aren't really a counter for me, just a drawn out because Bulwark Gyro carries them. Overall I think the bad rep shortbow gets is due to lack of effort to learn a different play style.

    Are you all guys playing on NA? I have some EU wars right here glaring menacingly at your posts

    Yeah, I'm playing on NA. Not sure how most EU wars play, but like 90% of the ones here are running the same predictable builds, usually some variation with Defense + Discipline + Strength/Berserker/Spellbreaker traitlines. They take Last Stand as grandmaster so I know to not waste energy using Scorchrazor or other cc. They use GS + Axe/Shield so I just dodge and Risposting Shadows everything they do while auto-attacking them to death. Sometimes I even get lucky and find one not running shield trait so they get wrecked by Icerazor at the beginning of the fight.

    No good war runs Defense nowadays. There are at least two other builds that never use defense.

    I guess then there must not be any good wars left in NA because they all seem to run Shield Master, Defy Pain, and Last Stand, or at least 2 of those 3 traits.

    Yeah most wars I run into on NA are double stance Defense monkeys. I see a few running without Defense every once in a while. They hurt, but are easier to shut down. More fun to fight for sure.

    Yeah if a warrior doesn't run defense line it just gets blown up. If a warrior wants to kill stuff they just dump the elite specs and take strength I thought.

    Ever since the Tactics update there have been more running that over Defense, but I don't see it as often anymore. The constant immobs from axe 3 are annoying, but I'm not sure if running it over Defense was just a passing fad.

  • Lonewolf Kai.3682Lonewolf Kai.3682 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I vote hybrid power/condi dagger main and offhand.

    “Be like water”-Bruce Lee

  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2019

    One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue.

    The problem is you have some classes where they also dont have a second condi weapon (looking at you warrior). Warrior is a bit better off because it can actually trait LB for burning on autos, but it is still unviable unless you run Berserker Elite. The old condi builds couldnt keep up with the power creep and are now downright awful.

    I think there are two solutions that will never happen:
    1. Add a new weapon; Too much work
    2. Make a current core weapon do hybrid damage so it could swing for power or condi. I just dont see them doing this.

    Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers here.

    Addendum: Engineer are actually in much worse need of a core MH weapon. They literally have NO power-based MH weapon to pair with shield...

  • medivh.4725medivh.4725 Member ✭✭
    edited September 22, 2020

    Yes. MORE options for Revenant. And ASAP pls
    Give main hand option of GreatSword, Scepter
    Off hand give Horn, Torch, Focus, Shield.

    Double samurai sword fighting will be really cool on Revenant.
    Land spear fighting will be nice addition.

  • I already imagine mistward set, twighlight.
    Lets Go !!!

  • @Opopanax.1803 said:
    One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue.

    Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers

    The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles. Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead).

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @narcx.3570 said:
    This thread doesn't even make sense... You say Rev needs more weapon choices because every weapon they have is ether unusable or has been nerfed so hard that it's now grossly underpowered. While that's mostly true'ish, why would the solution to that be "Rev needs more weapons" instead of just making the ones they have useable/given back some of their previous power.

    Staff and Sword both used to have crazy burst, but it got removed for balance reasons... WHY would anet give Revs a new weapon to fill the burst role? They would just be simultaneously recreating that problem and making existing weapons even more irrelevant. If anet wanted revs to have more burst, they would just return dps to sotm/ps/ua or re-reduce the cat time of shackling.

    Let's be honest and admit that this is secretly just another "Plz let my edgeknight use his Twilight!" thread. :bleep_bloop:

    Personally, as a rev main I think core could use a ranged condi-option. I think Scepter + Focus is a fair asking piece as it fits the kind of theme; As well with Condi rev being ultra spooky with mallyx it could be a good weapon to add in for that ritualist/casting/thing that people want to remove it from play so to speak at least weapon wise. Likewise it could be pushed into Invocation as a weapon option for that tree, designed to help you channel the mists. Give it some projectiles like trident and make it focused more on condi/disruption to vibe with mallyx and plenty of torment/chill to go around and boom,boop,bop, bam you finally have a viable condi secondary for core/herald. Which would be LOVELY.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    I want a greatsword that's a nodachi skin and cool samurai like strikes to pair with shiro :)
    Be cool in my books

    Shiro consumes to much energy for its utilities mobility :\, still shiro is very towards offensive ,GS IMO would provide some close gaping but would be more like a completelly combat style something biased on "counter blows" defensive active gameplay, while shiro would be the dasher offensive :.

    Imagine Signets that have passive efects only in certain situaions rather than perma, and their activation have the stronger version of the p+assive when u want it or need it.
    Selfish shouts could work as well :\

    we already have alot of utilities that are aoe suppor and effect, most next expact classes will have to be more slefish overall, wihc IMO would help design the GS rev based on that theme.

    About single handed weapons... if we have a main hand we will be stuck with sword or axe, and same happen if it is a offhand... will be mace or sword :\, so IMO we will receive mostly a 2h weapon or dual daggers like Warrior did, with legends somethign like Vizu/Nika\Talon Silverwing, Anton, etc.

    Slayers [XD] NSP Guild
    Yao Chen Herald/Ventari
    Ying Wuxian Renegade/Demon

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    We need lesser 2 handed loadouts and more main and offhands.

    We have a serious lack of workable loadouts and 2handeds essentially become worthless the moment it gets repeatedly hammered .
    (See what I did there? Hammer and Staff are now useless due to people qqing over the years, and Hammer has never been useful even in PvE for anything other than a ranged option)

    We could definitely use a Power ranged option, like Sceptre as suggested by many others.
    We could also use a light-weight mainhand weapon which leans toward hybrid play to provide options for both Condi and Power builds if players do not favour the entirely closed ranged nature of MH Sword or the heavy, slow swings of MH Mace.

    Sceptre could have a basic attack at 900 range, a decent skill 2 which does moderate damage, maybe based on Chill, and a strong, longer cooldown defensive Skill 3 which can be something of an evade or retreat.

    MH weapon could be an Axe, which has a 3 chain Skill 1 which applies Conditions, a mid ranged Skill 2 which sends a projectile out to apply Chill, and a Skill 3 which is a strong AoE cleave which also applies Conditions, increasing damage dealt based on target's current health.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I was very disappointed when they changed both off hand sword skills. If you are going to change all skills, including animations, on a weapon, why not create a new weapon entirely? A semi defensive weapon with a bit of damage off hand would have been nice.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020

    @Yasai.3549

    TDLR so if Anet gives us dual dagger we gain new main hand and off hand weapon :\ in wish IMO it is the best aproach, for everyone and the class itself, but i still want a GS :disappointed_relieved: maybe after Cantha i would not mind it if we wont receive a GS, state of the class imo should be putted in 1st place rather than "selfish wants".

    Besides... Anet sellign shiro daggers on the TP..... all those players would buy it as well the shiro outfit.. $$$$€€€€
    https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shiro's_Blades

    Slayers [XD] NSP Guild
    Yao Chen Herald/Ventari
    Ying Wuxian Renegade/Demon

  • Give offhand dagger based on parry or core. We need a f block back.

  • Mage, Wizard class should don the Scepter no?

  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Opopanax.1803 said:
    One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue.

    Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers

    The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles. Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead).

    I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 11, 2020

    @JayAction.9056 said:
    From a pvp perspective Revenant is severely lacking any real choice.

    one class should not handle all weapons

    Hammer is unviable in pvp and has always been even at its strongest in 2015.

    for me it is viable. Check yours build.

    Mace mainhand is only useful against people In gold as the way it targets and the lack of a snare makes the main source of damage from this weapon (#2 and #3) unreliable.

    mace good fo condi. Best weapon !

    Shield is underpowered

    why shield should overpowered?

    Staff is underpowered and is never a weapon you will use other than to break pressure.

    I like staff, 5 use to break finihser, 3 - blocks, great weapon

    Shortbow is still a meme.

    ? op range condi. May be to much powered.

    Axe is only really useful to a condo build as the power damage coefficients are too low.

    it this is great!

    Sword mainhand has been nerfed from a high burst high sustain main hand weapon to a 0 burst, moderate sustain only weapon.

    sword at all best p dps weapon for skilled top players

    We need new weapon choices ASAP. AT LEAST 3 -THREE-

    me not. At reve we have enough weapons and all strong or too strong.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Adding new weapons will only complicate the balancing act of the Revenant. And they won't be good just because they're new.
    Some of the existing weapons need a buff. Hammer is abysmal. Condi needs clearer access and options. But you don't need a shiny new greatsword because you think your sword is meh (and it is not).

  • @Opopanax.1803 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Opopanax.1803 said:
    One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue.

    Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers

    The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles. Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead).

    I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said.

    Unfortunately for you it doesn’t matter if you disagree with me or not. This is Anet’s stance on Elite Specs and has been since Heart of Thorns

  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 13, 2020

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Opopanax.1803 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Opopanax.1803 said:
    One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue.

    Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers

    The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles. Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead).

    I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said.

    Unfortunately for you it doesn’t matter if you disagree with me or not. This is Anet’s stance on Elite Specs and has been since Heart of Thorns

    I agree with your previous quote. Although I would love more weapons, my biggest issue with the core class is Ventari and its ability to perform as a dedicated support role (which extends to both e-specs as well) especially post-big balance patch. As a pretty diehard core Rev player, the base class is pretty great in most regards. Ancient Echo and an additional core traitline puts it at a totally respectable spot.

  • @Pterikdactyl.7630 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    One could say that the need for a condi weapon is a core only issue.

    Also, this has been brought up before on this forum before and several of the vocal Vets will argue incessantly that you just need to run Renegade for condi and that you should forget about having a core option, so dont expect support from the frequent fliers

    The entire point of elite specs is to fill in gaps in the core class and add new playstyles. Core doesn’t need to be viable for all things (plus Condi core rev is still decently viable even without renegade; it’s just a step down to run it when you can just run Ren instead).

    I couldnt disagree more on literally everything you said.

    Unfortunately for you it doesn’t matter if you disagree with me or not. This is Anet’s stance on Elite Specs and has been since Heart of Thorns

    I agree with your previous quote. Although I would love more weapons, my biggest issue with the core class is Ventari and its ability to perform as a dedicated support role (which extends to both e-specs as well) especially post-big balance patch. As a pretty diehard core Rev player, the base class is pretty great in most regards. Ancient Echo and an additional core traitline puts it at a totally respectable spot.

    Yeah I agree ventari needs work to be truly viable in Competitive. I think it’s generally good/okay in PvE. A bigger heal radius would be nice and if that isn’t enough then maybe some sort of fundamental rework.

    I agree core is in a good spot too! I only wish we had an extra core legend or set of “invocation” utilities, but even that is more of a “want because I think more options would be cool” than a “the class really needs it.”