Lore doesnt make sense

Kormir says that if you go against a god, you will costs huge disaster like when they fight abanddon did, that's why they avoid fighting balthazar, but kormir still let you fight balthazar?...what?

We don't have enough power to match him in a destructive clash, but just enough to slip by and get him through speed and tenacity. If god-level beings fought much would have been obliterated, all of Vabbi minimum

@Fenom.9457 said:We don't have enough power to match him in a destructive clash, but just enough to slip by and get him through speed and tenacity. If god-level beings fought much would have been obliterated, all of Vabbi minimum

i mean if humans can slip by and get him through speed and tenacity, why can't god do the exact same

@Lighter.5631 said:

@Fenom.9457 said:We don't have enough power to match him in a destructive clash, but just enough to slip by and get him through speed and tenacity. If god-level beings fought much would have been obliterated, all of Vabbi minimum

The PC has too much plot armor.

I think what Kormir said is if a god fights a god, the destruction would be massive, but we aren't gods. Not to mention Aurene and Kralkatorrik were nearby to soak up the excess magic.

Balthazar fought Kralkatorrik and Vabbi seemed fine in the end. I don't know what that implies, but it's something to think about if two titanic forces can clash and nothing particularly horrible happens. (Not that we could see, at least.)

but the odds of something terrible happening are too great, I guess. That, and/or the god plotline continuing, as in theyre needed somewhere else to the extent of abandoning us__

It's more that a God fighting an ex-God would be catastrophic. Let's also keep in mind that he's the ex-God of War against the Goddess of Truth - what if she had lost? Yes, she has military background from when she was a Sunspear, but in terms of pure 'fighting prowess', I'd probably put my money on Balth. Had she lost, or he'd somehow outsmarted her, he'd now own all of her God power (if he's able to absorb it) or her divinity is now let loose in the world causing more problems. The other Gods had left, we have no proof they'd even come back to help her if she decided to take Balthazar on.

It's better to just take one of those equations out of the battle rather than adding yet ANOTHER source of immense power to an already unstable world.

Also it didn't end all peachy fine after we killed Balthazar. We were somewhat lucky Aurene was there to absorb part of the magic he released, but we just made an Elder Dragon even more powerful than it was before and now magic is even more unbalanced than it was before.

Caution: attempting to apply sense to Guild Wars plots may result in AAAHHHHH WHO LET THESE STEAM GRIFFONS IN HERE

First off, Balthazar was no longer a god by the time we fought him even in Season 3, let alone any of the Path of Fire fights. He had lost most of that power, if not all, before reclaiming the magic from Bloodstone Fen and Omadd's modified device. That's quite a lot of power, but not on the level of the gods.Second, the statement Kormir was making was when two forces of gigantic power clash against each other is when you end up with the Crystal Sea becoming the Crystal Desert. It's not merely fighting a god, but two or more gods fighting against each other. The dragons have power on the same level as the Six, which is why we can't just have the gods smite one down, as it will create a landscape as toxic as the Desolation, in possibly a far larger area.

@Athrenn.9468 said:Balthazar fought Kralkatorrik and Vabbi seemed fine in the end. I don't know what that implies, but it's something to think about if two titanic forces can clash and nothing particularly horrible happens. (Not that we could see, at least.)Balthazar built a device to channel Aurene's magic to attack Kralkatorrik, not fight against it directly. What he did was quite similar to what we did against Zhaitan, with the megalasers and the airships.

@Rognik.2579 said:First off, Balthazar was no longer a god by the time we fought him even in Season 3, let alone any of the Path of Fire fights. He had lost most of that power, if not all, before reclaiming the magic from Bloodstone Fen and Omadd's modified device. That's quite a lot of power, but not on the level of the gods.Second, the statement Kormir was making was when two forces of gigantic power clash against each other is when you end up with the Crystal Sea becoming the Crystal Desert. It's not merely fighting a god, but two or more gods fighting against each other. The dragons have power on the same level as the Six, which is why we can't just have the gods smite one down, as it will create a landscape as toxic as the Desolation, in possibly a far larger area.

@Athrenn.9468 said:Balthazar fought Kralkatorrik and Vabbi seemed fine in the end. I don't know what that implies, but it's something to think about if two titanic forces can clash and nothing particularly horrible happens. (Not that we could see, at least.)Balthazar built a device to channel Aurene's magic to attack Kralkatorrik, not fight against it directly. What he did was quite similar to what we did against Zhaitan, with the megalasers and the airships.

god can't smite dragons because it would create magic imbalance notbecause it would create desolation...

@Lighter.5631 said:

@Fenom.9457 said:We don't have enough power to match him in a destructive clash, but just enough to slip by and get him through speed and tenacity. If god-level beings fought much would have been obliterated, all of Vabbi minimum

Different range of capabilities. Plus, it's more that the gods' presence would likely draw the Elder Dragons' attention (you know, being an all you can eat buffet an all that), which wouldn't be good.

@Lighter.5631 said:

@Rognik.2579 said:First off, Balthazar was no longer a god by the time we fought him even in Season 3, let alone any of the Path of Fire fights. He had lost most of that power, if not all, before reclaiming the magic from Bloodstone Fen and Omadd's modified device. That's quite a lot of power, but not on the level of the gods.Second, the statement Kormir was making was when two forces of gigantic power clash against each other is when you end up with the Crystal Sea becoming the Crystal Desert. It's not merely fighting a god, but two or more gods fighting against each other. The dragons have power on the same level as the Six, which is why we can't just have the gods smite one down, as it will create a landscape as toxic as the Desolation, in possibly a far larger area.

@Athrenn.9468 said:Balthazar fought Kralkatorrik and Vabbi seemed fine in the end. I don't know what that implies, but it's something to think about if two titanic forces can clash and nothing particularly horrible happens. (Not that we could see, at least.)Balthazar built a device to channel Aurene's magic to attack Kralkatorrik, not fight against it directly. What he did was quite similar to what we did against Zhaitan, with the megalasers and the airships.

Actually, Kormir makes it a point that a god and dragon fighting would cause cataclysm to the landscape - e.g., a repeat of the Crystal Sea and its coastline becoming the Crystal Desert and the Desolation.

Of course, such would also likely cause imbalance with The All (the magic part not so much an issue best we know).

@Lighter.5631 said:Kormir says that if you go against a god, you will costs huge disaster like when they fight abanddon did, that's why they avoid fighting balthazar, but kormir still let you fight balthazar?...what?

Not exactly, Kormir said if the other gods went against one of their kind the cost would be a huge disaster. The idea being two great powers clashing together. The player character wields nowhere near that power, hence the lack of world-reshaping disasters. If you don't count Kralkatorrik as one, that is.

I agree that this was bad writing. The gods don't want to help because last time a war between the gods created the desolation. So what, how is destroying one area of land worse than the world ending? And why cant they simply imprison Balthazar again?

@Emissary Vex.5690 said:I agree that this was bad writing. The gods don't want to help because last time a war between the gods created the desolation. So what, how is destroying one area of land worse than the world ending? And why cant they simply imprison Balthazar again?

They cant imprison him because only Kormir remained and it was implied all or nearly all were involved to strip his powers. Kormir specifically mentions that the other Gods have left completely and no longer monitor or are aware of the goings on in Tyria anymore, hence why they wouldn't be intervening this time.

the tatastrophy is if Gods fight you know UNLIMITED COSMIC POWER! vs the same Nukes start flying Seas evaporate lots of fire and brimstone the PC went in as not a god and was able fight without resorting to useing godly powers not as much ugly huge swath of the world stay intact.

None of You and that's partially Anet's fault, take Lyssa into the picture. Kormir is the Goddess of Truth but also.. secrets. She gave us only a hint, that Lyssa was not so much happy about going against Balthazar. My theory is that they don't want to engage him because it might create even greater rift between them. That's why they decided not to fight him but to "disarm" him. Kormir would probably blew Balthazar into dust at this point. When we see her, the screen indicates that her presence is partially blinding us. None of it happens when we fight the fallen God of War. Her joining the fight, might have ended in a fight between the rest of the Six.

At least I hope that was the writers vision..

A distinct pattern from Balthazar's story is that the latter had almost 0 clues about Lazarus being Balthazar, except Lazarus used fire at the end of LS3 and ep1 (which was still vague clue anyway). on their turn, these references to Lyssa are even more frequent.

Forcing speculation a little: will this place in Vabbi, an indication that we will have more Lyssa? supposing that Balthazar's temple in Auric Basin was a clue that we would have more Balthazar? It's also iconic that we have a world-event with branded Forgotten here.

No matter how lightly you step on an ant, it is still crushed by your foot.

Likewise, no matter how gentle a god is when fighting a non-god, the world would still be destroyed in the wake of the fray.

no, the gods don't want to fight ONE ANOTHER, you killing a god is perfectly fine. The problem is, gods have great power, so if two catastrophees clash, you get one big cataclysmic catastrophy

@Athrenn.9468 said:Balthazar fought Kralkatorrik and Vabbi seemed fine in the end. I don't know what that implies, but it's something to think about if two titanic forces can clash and nothing particularly horrible happens. (Not that we could see, at least.)

It's not that something necissarily has to happen, it's just that is HAS happened before, so now they know the risks, and don't want it a second time. In fact,the Desolation and the tearing of the demon realms was just about the lighest that could happen, so we were really lucky when Abaddon fell.If the gods clashed against the god of war, the battle would be much more drawn out and destructive. The entirety of Elona could be a volcanic wasteland. Thats why they stripped him of his power and chained him within the mists. To avoid said battle. Although it's still unclear how they did this, considering they didn't do it with Abaddon..

@Emissary Vex.5690 said:I agree that this was bad writing. The gods don't want to help because last time a war between the gods created the desolation. So what, how is destroying one area of land worse than the world ending? And why cant they simply imprison Balthazar again?

When the gods stripped Balthazar of his power, he hadn't been prepared for a fight - he had no army and was caught immediately after his threatening. So the clash wasn't as bad as when Abaddon rebelled, where he had an army and everything.

Making a huge region of land inhospitable for millennia, which is what happens when gods and Elder Dragons fight each other, is a worse scenario than a small region of land inhospitable for a few centuries, which is the case when mortals slay a god or Elder Dragon.

Also keep in mind that without a being to absorb the magic released by a god's death, that magic itself becomes world ending. So the gods killing Balthazar wouldn't really be just making a huge region of land inhospitable for millennia, it'd be destroying the world even in victory.

Because of Kormir's words we realised that this is our world, not gods', so we make decisions, not gods. What we had known since GW1

Kormir is no longer a human, she is some kind of robot as Balthazar- they don't even have hearts or stomachs or anything...

@Arden.7480 said:Kormir is no longer a human, she is some kind of robot as Balthazar- they don't even have hearts or stomachs or anything...

What.