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Faceless.5093

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Hello!I've been playing off and on since release and have spent a large portion of my time in WvW.

Over the years, it seems to have decayed into a bit of a mess due to it being locked to servers comprised of all types of players. There are some servers which are completely full that simply don't have the option of reinforcing their numbers. This has caused servers with high potential, skilled players to have a terrible experience in what was once a fun and highly competitive game mode due to PvE players who simply aren't interested in WvW. The current system is outdated, impossible to balance and has a lot of players feeling fed-up with the futility of their efforts.

I would like to suggest the implementation of separate WvW servers that people can transfer between in order to increase the population and balance of matchups that are independent of your primary server. Also, having a one-time choice for players to go wherever they want would greatly benefit WvW-focused players. This would also present the option of compressing instance usage down to a smaller number.

If this isn't possible, perhaps incentivizing / forcing players to move off of full servers needs to be done more aggressively. I don't think there is any detriment to non-WvW players for moving to another server. However, I only recently came back and have missed some so correct me if I'm wrong...

It would be nice to see ANet take some action to preserve this unique game mode as it brings joy to so many people!

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Ooo thank you for this! I'm obviously not very good at searching forums.

I'm quite concerned about the age of the first announcement and the lack of actual implementation. Should it really take 2+ years to implement something like this?

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Shrug it's anet, wvw is not a high priority to them, Raymond has probably been the only one working on it for the past couple years, even McKenna was moved to other projects right after the restructuring announcement.

Back in their august 2019 living world announcement, they mentioned alliances was going to get more attention.

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@Faceless.5093 said:There are some servers which are completely full that simply don't have the option of reinforcing their numbers. This has caused servers with high potential, skilled players to have a terrible experience in what was once a fun and highly competitive game mode due to PvE players who simply aren't interested in WvW.

Server population is based on WvW players, PvE only players don't count towards the fullness of a server. If your server is full, you likely don't need to reinforce your numbers, you already have more active WvW players than all the other open servers. That being said it's possible that your players are all skewed towards a specific timezone, which makes other timezones appear empty. So you might dominate one or two timezones and then get whipped during the others.

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@XenesisII.1540 said:Shrug it's anet, wvw is not a high priority to them, Raymond has probably been the only one working on it for the past couple years, even McKenna was moved to other projects right after the restructuring announcement.

Back in their august 2019 living world announcement, they mentioned alliances was going to get more attention.

It did get more attention...they looked at it, laughed, posted it on a notice board somewhere and moved it even further down the 'to do when no NPC needs a new shoe style' list.

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@"Sovereign.1093" said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

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@"Sovereign.1093" said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Then vs now

Pay for trait change now freeGear expensive then now easy to getUpdates paid expensive now autoSquads manual arrangement now easy to adjustVoIP then and now better.

It is the perfect scenario.

Of course we did manipulate wvw then but that doesn't mean the rest of ppl do it. It's just how things are.

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@Sovereign.1093 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

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@Swagger.1459 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Ppl are quitting now. This is the fact. Ppl then played more. When tournaments stopped wvw decline started.

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@Swagger.1459 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

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@Sovereign.1093 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Ppl are quitting now. This is the fact. Ppl then played more. When tournaments stopped wvw decline started.

You don't read? "resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players"

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@Swagger.1459 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Ppl are quitting now. This is the fact. Ppl then played more. When tournaments stopped wvw decline started.

You don't read? "resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players"

There are no tournaments now and yet people are leaving. Is that a 6 year effect of burning out?

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@Sovereign.1093 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

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@Sovereign.1093 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Ppl are quitting now. This is the fact. Ppl then played more. When tournaments stopped wvw decline started.

You don't read? "resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players"

There are no tournaments now and yet people are leaving. Is that a 6 year effect of burning out?

People leave bc wvw doesn't get regular updates, decent profession balance or improvements to combat mechanics … or do you not know that? You did't pay attention to the forums over the years?

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@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

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Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Ppl are quitting now. This is the fact. Ppl then played more. When tournaments stopped wvw decline started.

You don't read? "resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players"

There are no tournaments now and yet people are leaving. Is that a 6 year effect of burning out?

People leave bc wvw doesn't get regular updates, decent profession balance or improvements to combat mechanics … or do you not know that? You don't pay attention to the forums over the years?

Tournaments. It is the way.

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@Sovereign.1093 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Tournaments. It is the way

Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

Are you calling the devs liars about tournaments? You have better population stats than the team?

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Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

Are you calling the devs liars about tournaments? You have better population stats than the team?

The evidence of 6 year bleeding? :) I'm saying they made a mistake by stopping the tournaments.

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Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

Are you calling the devs liars about tournaments? You have better population stats than the team?

The evidence of 6 year bleeding? :) I'm saying they made a mistake by stopping the tournaments.

Do you have facts to back that up? Because the devs provided this info... "The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players.". What do you got? Should we ask a dev to help you understand?

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Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

Are you calling the devs liars about tournaments? You have better population stats than the team?

The evidence of 6 year bleeding? :) I'm saying they made a mistake by stopping the tournaments.

Do you have facts to back that up? Because the devs provided this info... "The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players.". What do you got? Should we ask a dev to help you understand?

Sure. If those devs are still around from 2014.

Tournaments is the way.

Wvw has no unique flavor rewards. Everyone even the losers get the same thing. What's fun in that?

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Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

Are you calling the devs liars about tournaments? You have better population stats than the team?

The evidence of 6 year bleeding? :) I'm saying they made a mistake by stopping the tournaments.

Do you have facts to back that up? Because the devs provided this info... "The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players.". What do you got? Should we ask a dev to help you understand?

Sure. If those devs are still around from 2014.

Tournaments is the way.

Those devs are still around and they said no tournaments bc they were unhealthy for the mode. Hence those quotes. So you are wrong and the devs make that clear.

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Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

Are you calling the devs liars about tournaments? You have better population stats than the team?

The evidence of 6 year bleeding? :) I'm saying they made a mistake by stopping the tournaments.

Do you have facts to back that up? Because the devs provided this info... "The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players.". What do you got? Should we ask a dev to help you understand?

Sure. If those devs are still around from 2014.

Tournaments is the way.

Those devs are still around and they said no tournaments bc they were unhealthy for the mode. Hence those quotes. So you are wrong and the devs make that clear.

Devs are wrong.

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Please read bc you are apparently unaware about the problems we had with tournaments and what the devs actually post on the forums...

"Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments."

"Rewards/Tournaments/LeaderboardsIf—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind."

For emphasis...

"The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players."

I don't care their reasons. Tournaments. It is the way

Those are the facts.

What, you don't care about the mode? You want more players to permanently quit? Especially now that servers are worse off than they were years ago?

Look at your sig... "Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.", but you want tournaments when tons of things are broken...

It's a feature. It's 24 hours 7 days a week. No one should stay awake for that long.

And like my sig. It's the only Only broken thing.

You want equal nos. Apply spvp queue on 2 hour matches.

It's a feature that created a "permanent drop off in WvW players".

No. The lack of it caused more drop off.

Wvw has no purpose except to relive our former wvw tournaments.

All old coms can feel this. Now it is karma train. The new eotm.

Back then each map had a cap of 100. Heck you can push it to break at 105 or more. Now... I'd be surprised to see 80 players.

Wvw is dying because not tournaments. It is the way.

Are you calling the devs liars about tournaments? You have better population stats than the team?

The evidence of 6 year bleeding? :) I'm saying they made a mistake by stopping the tournaments.

Do you have facts to back that up? Because the devs provided this info... "The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players.". What do you got? Should we ask a dev to help you understand?

Sure. If those devs are still around from 2014.

Tournaments is the way.

Those devs are still around and they said no tournaments bc they were unhealthy for the mode. Hence those quotes. So you are wrong and the devs make that clear.

Devs are wrong.

No, you just didn't bother to read...

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/19921/wvw-frequently-asked-questions

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1

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