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  • @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Kontrolle.3514 said:
    chances are pretty high, that they just murder the gamemode once and for all if they force to much players to change thier prefered playstyle, class or build.

    This is my fear, too. I think they're doing the right thing and it'll be healthy for the game in the long run to nerf the crazy one-shotting. But to make it so players have to be GOOD in order to kill enemies rather than just run crazy one-shot builds will mean some, less skilled, people (probably me) can NEVER get revenge anymore - and that will probably drive them away.

    Yes the oneshot thing is pretty annoying as it is the permastealth.
    But somehow Anet and people here, came to the conclusion it would be good to nerf firebrand support. Apparantly no one wants to have good fights in this game. Just quick loot. Maybe its time for WvW to die.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    hope this the balance patch to adjust the game to the new Elite Specs on the way.

    uh... what? xd

    Actually was thinking along the same lines. They always do a major balance patch prior to new elites. And if we have new elites showing up around EP3 then this would be about the timing for it. They did say they are releasing expansion content during this LW, and elites are what expansions are about so to me this might be another indicator. Add to that the datamined icons that were elite-style icons and ....it could be. We need new elites to keep things fresh.

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  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2020

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    hope this the balance patch to adjust the game to the new Elite Specs on the way.

    uh... what? xd

    Actually was thinking along the same lines. They always do a major balance patch prior to new elites.

    When did we get something as massive as this is supposed to be?

    And if we have new elites showing up around EP3 then this would be about the timing for it. They did say they are releasing expansion content during this LW, and elites are what expansions are about so to me this might be another indicator.

    Wishful thinking imo, but wouldn't complain if I were wrong.

    Add to that the datamined icons that were elite-style icons and ....it could be. We need new elites to keep things fresh.

    What icons?
    (nvm, you probably mean the grey weapon hexagons)

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    hope this the balance patch to adjust the game to the new Elite Specs on the way.

    uh... what? xd

    Actually was thinking along the same lines. They always do a major balance patch prior to new elites.

    When did we get something as massive as this is supposed to be?

    And if we have new elites showing up around EP3 then this would be about the timing for it. They did say they are releasing expansion content during this LW, and elites are what expansions are about so to me this might be another indicator.

    Wishful thinking imo, but wouldn't complain if I were wrong.

    Add to that the datamined icons that were elite-style icons and ....it could be. We need new elites to keep things fresh.

    What icons?
    (nvm, you probably mean the grey weapon hexagons)

    Yup to the above on the icons. Remembering balance patches prior to HoT and then again prior to PoF. I think both were stated somewhere along the lines to better define the classes role. Which after we got the HoT elites made more sense. Saw similar with PoF but people knew what that was about after HoT's pattern. Again could be overthinking this but fits the pattern.

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  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    With changes this big. I can't believe there won't be another expansion. 7 years and the only times they've done changes this big is only when expansions are going to happen. So I'm calling it. Expansion announcement before the end of the year.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    800-900 changes is incredibly frightening to hear about, without having given us some kind of list to review first.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:
    With changes this big. I can't believe there won't be another expansion. 7 years and the only times they've done changes this big is only when expansions are going to happen. So I'm calling it. Expansion announcement before the end of the year.

    People keep crying about power creep, too much dmg and anet not listening. Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.
    There won't be an expansion anytime soon (if ever), calling it now.

    Also "expansion announcement before the end of the year"? It's barely january, you sure give your "prediction" a lot of wiggle room :lol:

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.

    Is "lower the dmg" something that Anet directly said as a goal for this coming balance patch, or is it your own interpretation or wish?

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  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.

    Is "lower the dmg" something that Anet directly said as a goal for this coming balance patch, or is it your own interpretation or wish?

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/93817/big-update-news/p1

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:
    With changes this big. I can't believe there won't be another expansion. 7 years and the only times they've done changes this big is only when expansions are going to happen. So I'm calling it. Expansion announcement before the end of the year.

    People keep crying about power creep, too much dmg and anet not listening. Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.
    There won't be an expansion anytime soon (if ever), calling it now.

    Also "expansion announcement before the end of the year"? It's barely january, you sure give your "prediction" a lot of wiggle room :lol:

    Why have a prediction if it doesn't have any wiggle?

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    No more sm trebbing from red keep :)

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  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.

    Is "lower the dmg" something that Anet directly said as a goal for this coming balance patch, or is it your own interpretation or wish?

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/93817/big-update-news/p1

    You can make your own mind up after reading this:

    @Cal Cohen.2358 said:
    We have identified the overall power of the game has become an issue and we wish to address this in the competitive game modes.

    Source: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/90774/lets-talk-about-wvw-balance/p1

    "the power of the game", is probably intentionally vague or the name of the power metal banger Cal was listening to when he wrote this.

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  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.

    Is "lower the dmg" something that Anet directly said as a goal for this coming balance patch, or is it your own interpretation or wish?

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/93817/big-update-news/p1

    You can make your own mind up after reading this:

    @Cal Cohen.2358 said:
    We have identified the overall power of the game has become an issue and we wish to address this in the competitive game modes.

    Source: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/90774/lets-talk-about-wvw-balance/p1

    "the power of the game", is probably intentionally vague or the name of the power metal banger Cal was listening to when he wrote this.

    I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to tell me here.

  • @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    Actually was thinking along the same lines. They always do a major balance patch prior to new elites. And if we have new elites showing up around EP3 then this would be about the timing for it. They did say they are releasing expansion content during this LW, and elites are what expansions are about so to me this might be another indicator. Add to that the datamined icons that were elite-style icons and ....it could be. We need new elites to keep things fresh.

    they said expansion level content.

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  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.

    Is "lower the dmg" something that Anet directly said as a goal for this coming balance patch, or is it your own interpretation or wish?

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/93817/big-update-news/p1

    You can make your own mind up after reading this:

    @Cal Cohen.2358 said:
    We have identified the overall power of the game has become an issue and we wish to address this in the competitive game modes.

    Source: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/90774/lets-talk-about-wvw-balance/p1

    "the power of the game", is probably intentionally vague or the name of the power metal banger Cal was listening to when he wrote this.

    I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to tell me here.

    Here is the argument;
    If you were to consider "the overall power of the game has become an issue", what would you ponder the devs are going to do about that?

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  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2020

    If they had expansion level content, wouldn't they be selling us an expansion?

    Buzzwords aside, they'd sell it if they thought it'd sell.

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  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2020

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Then when anet listens and decides to make a massive re-balance patch to lower the dmg (amongs other things), it's immediately seen as an expansion preparation.

    Is "lower the dmg" something that Anet directly said as a goal for this coming balance patch, or is it your own interpretation or wish?

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/93817/big-update-news/p1

    You can make your own mind up after reading this:

    @Cal Cohen.2358 said:
    We have identified the overall power of the game has become an issue and we wish to address this in the competitive game modes.

    Source: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/90774/lets-talk-about-wvw-balance/p1

    "the power of the game", is probably intentionally vague or the name of the power metal banger Cal was listening to when he wrote this.

    I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to tell me here.

    Here is the argument;
    If you were to consider "the overall power of the game has become an issue", what would you ponder the devs are going to do about that?

    They literally said the damage will go down, I still don't know what you're trying to argue here. What point exactly are you trying to make?

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They said, that dmg and healing/support will get lowered.
    And skills that to too much at once will be looked at.

    Some things that I think will be looked at:

    • lowering all skills/traits power and healingpower coefficients
    • maybe lowering all skills/traits condiduration or amount of stacks
    • lowering skills/traits boonspam
    • skills that to to many things at once (for example pistol whip - dmg, stun, evade) will either get their power heavily reduced or some portion of the skill will be removed

    But there could also be things like:

    • maximum targets reduced
    • radius reduced
  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    The higher hopes the further the fall

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    someone worry about number 800-900 ?
    so if skill have range 240, and not is 220 this is one
    same skill damage increase 3%. this is two
    updated icon view - this is 3
    updated animation, now not 5 lines, but 4 lines - this is 4
    updated trait whit this skill ..
    summary: relax, we will still perfect game.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:
    someone worry about number 800-900 ?
    so if skill have range 240, and not is 220 this is one
    same skill damage increase 3%. this is two
    updated icon view - this is 3
    updated animation, now not 5 lines, but 4 lines - this is 4
    updated trait whit this skill ..
    summary: relax, we will still perfect game.

    No, Cal stated on the livestream that several changes to one skill count as one change.

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  • kraai.7265kraai.7265 Member ✭✭✭

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    hope this the balance patch to adjust the game to the new Elite Specs on the way.

    uh... what? xd

    Actually was thinking along the same lines. They always do a major balance patch prior to new elites. And if we have new elites showing up around EP3 then this would be about the timing for it. They did say they are releasing expansion content during this LW, and elites are what expansions are about so to me this might be another indicator. Add to that the datamined icons that were elite-style icons and ....it could be. We need new elites to keep things fresh.

    Oh nice, more inbalance, more cheese, more stupid designs, after pof elites i'm actually happy they don't make new ones, what a disaster ...

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kraai.7265 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    hope this the balance patch to adjust the game to the new Elite Specs on the way.

    uh... what? xd

    Actually was thinking along the same lines. They always do a major balance patch prior to new elites. And if we have new elites showing up around EP3 then this would be about the timing for it. They did say they are releasing expansion content during this LW, and elites are what expansions are about so to me this might be another indicator. Add to that the datamined icons that were elite-style icons and ....it could be. We need new elites to keep things fresh.

    Oh nice, more inbalance, more cheese, more stupid designs, after pof elites i'm actually happy they don't make new ones, what a disaster ...

    The only time you will have perfect balance is in tic tac toe. So you are looking to remove all classes, armor, weapons, levels and skills?

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  • Timelord.8190Timelord.8190 Member ✭✭✭

    900 changes and 0 fixes.
    No fix for skill lag. No fix for players out of sync, and tons of other bugs.

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  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Timelord.8190 said:
    900 changes and 0 fixes.
    No fix for skill lag. No fix for players out of sync, and tons of other bugs.

    ... ACTUALLY... I have to tell this thread what they said on stream :)

    A few streams ago they mentioned that interaction of skills has caused issues, for example, there could be no lag at all but if one person of X-class (probably mesmer) turns up, it all goes laggy and kitten because their skills interact in a way that causes many more calculations to be done.

    IIRC Irenio said on the stream linked in the OP that some skills have been coded inefficiently since very close to launch.

    They didn't seem to want to commit to the promise of better performance, but I suspect these skill changes will help things a bit.

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  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2020

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Timelord.8190 said:
    900 changes and 0 fixes.
    No fix for skill lag. No fix for players out of sync, and tons of other bugs.

    ... ACTUALLY... I have to tell this thread what they said on stream :)

    A few streams ago they mentioned that interaction of skills has caused issues, for example, there could be no lag at all but if one person of X-class (probably mesmer) turns up, it all goes laggy and kitten because their skills interact in a way that causes many more calculations to be done.

    IIRC Irenio said on the stream linked in the OP that some skills have been coded inefficiently since very close to launch.

    They didn't seem to want to commit to the promise of better performance, but I suspect these skill changes will help things a bit.

    I have often wondered this, a long time ago I made posts about lag where it was only happening in specific scenarios where if class_x would do chain combos it would completely lag me out and I would not be able to reciprocate no matter what, whilst other "normal" encounters that were not in similar scope to those split second combos would not cause me to lag. Curiously enough a lot of the time it was mantra gs mesmers, but from my experience it was not the only one that caused that weird interaction.
    Edit: just to clarify, it's not being stun locked, it's actually no action on screen happening and then suddenly it "catches up" in a fast forward with the screen pauses only happening on certain combos (you can press buttons whilst this happens and nothing responds).

  • They should add personal K/D ratio for WvW - personal skill rank. Would be cool, and announcements for current rampager on map etc.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @rollnb.8346 said:
    They should add personal K/D ratio for WvW - personal skill rank. Would be cool, and announcements for current rampager on map etc.

    What exactly would be the point of that? Of course except for encouraging outnumbering your opponents even more just so you can safely farm your kd/""skill"" rank?

  • Arzurag.7506Arzurag.7506 Member ✭✭✭

    @rollnb.8346 said:
    They should add personal K/D ratio for WvW - personal skill rank. Would be cool, and announcements for current rampager on map etc.

    They should rather add more incentives to work together as a team, something like tournaments and the like.
    of course, during the tournament, switching server is disabled

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  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @rollnb.8346 said:
    They should add personal K/D ratio for WvW

    You can already check your personal K/D-ratio for WvW with external tools that show this value.

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  • @Zok.4956 said:

    @rollnb.8346 said:
    They should add personal K/D ratio for WvW

    You can already check your personal K/D-ratio for WvW with external tools that show this value.

    Or Just grab a Piece of paper....

  • Substance E.4852Substance E.4852 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2020

    @Svarty.8019 said:
    They didn't seem to want to commit to the promise of better performance, but I suspect these skill changes will help things a bit.

    It;s one thing to acknowledge the problem but very much another to actually do something about it

    Anet is always free to surprise me but I just don't see them doing major back end changes to the way skills calculate in the game just to reduce skill lag in zerg clashes when such fights are already becoming rarer and rarer

    I mean, hell, the only thing they have for us for the entire 1st quarter 2020 is some warclaw nerfs

    Best we can realistically hope for is balance passes that either disincentivize spamming aoe skills (lmao ya right, anet's not killing necro) or them lowering the aoe cap of stuff so less actual hits are registered and processed

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:
    With changes this big. I can't believe there won't be another expansion. 7 years and the only times they've done changes this big is only when expansions are going to happen. So I'm calling it. Expansion announcement before the end of the year.

    Anet's not gonna go through the work to adjust nearly every skill and trait in the game only to kitten it all up with another set of e-specs

    This is either them doing one final big effort before the game goes into true "maintenance mode" or them trying to demonstrate their supposed refocus on the game post-restructuring

    Either is likely but I'm leaning on the latter only because they could just let it coast as is if they were gonna stop caring and if they really do want to put effort in again, they need to make up for a LOT of neglect and toxic power creep in all 3 modes. Especially when they've basically got nothing on the table besides strike missions when it comes to content that requires more than the auto attack to complete.

    Doing a giant balance sweep is an easy way to change the way the game plays without having to actually give us new content to play.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @rollnb.8346 said:
    They should add personal K/D ratio for WvW - personal skill rank. Would be cool, and announcements for current rampager on map etc.

    Or they could just remove the stats and score altogether, cause none of that actually matters.

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  • kratan.4619kratan.4619 Member ✭✭✭

    Aww, from the title I thought they were changing the way you got from rank 800 to 900.

  • kraai.7265kraai.7265 Member ✭✭✭

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    @kraai.7265 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    hope this the balance patch to adjust the game to the new Elite Specs on the way.

    uh... what? xd

    Actually was thinking along the same lines. They always do a major balance patch prior to new elites. And if we have new elites showing up around EP3 then this would be about the timing for it. They did say they are releasing expansion content during this LW, and elites are what expansions are about so to me this might be another indicator. Add to that the datamined icons that were elite-style icons and ....it could be. We need new elites to keep things fresh.

    Oh nice, more inbalance, more cheese, more stupid designs, after pof elites i'm actually happy they don't make new ones, what a disaster ...

    The only time you will have perfect balance is in tic tac toe. So you are looking to remove all classes, armor, weapons, levels and skills?

    Actually we had great balance 6 or 7 months into hot, when they nerfed hot specs to make core viable, after that pof went out and the game became a kitten show again, perfect balance doesn't exist, but what we have now it's ridiculous