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Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

Instead of merely map pop caps also make a cap for number of players entering per minute? No more 50 man's map hopping?

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  • Zephyra.4709Zephyra.4709 Member ✭✭✭

    At least the title wasn't clickbait.

    Does 1 player per 10 minutes sound good? :trollface:

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So uh... when a t3 garrison is attacked and ewp is pulled... 1 guy shows up from another map like what every 5 mins?

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zephyra.4709 said:
    At least the title wasn't clickbait.

    Does 1 player per 10 minutes sound good? :trollface:

    Was thinking 10 per minute idk with rest dropped in que.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    So uh... when a t3 garrison is attacked and ewp is pulled... 1 guy shows up from another map like what every 5 mins?

    What r scouting?

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020

    Wat r bad ideers?

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Why shouldnt 50 man be able to map hop?

    Sorry for the weird stupid question.

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Why shouldnt 50 man be able to map hop?

    Sorry for the weird stupid question.

    trim down on the omega blobbing karma training. Gives smaller servers a chance to threaten them elsewhere without getting insta surprised 50 man hurdur we good blown up.

    idk just a thought.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Why shouldnt 50 man be able to map hop?

    Sorry for the weird stupid question.

    trim down on the omega blobbing karma training. Gives smaller servers a chance to threaten them elsewhere without getting insta surprised 50 man hurdur we good blown up.

    idk just a thought.

    I get the idea to an extent, with a theory being it would be trying to break up Omni Zergs into 10 man groups to hop around.

    But it would also make it easier for the 50 man Zerg to steamroll borders.

    And we’ve all seen the 20 guild members hanging out at spawn waiting for the rest of their group..... that would likely only increase the occurrence of this.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Why shouldnt 50 man be able to map hop?

    Sorry for the weird stupid question.

    trim down on the omega blobbing karma training. Gives smaller servers a chance to threaten them elsewhere without getting insta surprised 50 man hurdur we good blown up.

    idk just a thought.

    But... what rule says 50 man is omega blobbing?

    What if its two 20 man guilds and 10 randoms responding to a T3 under attack by 70+ enemies already on that border?

    Are you going to tell the guilds that they are in fact an omegablob and they arent allowed to port in so fast against whats clearly not omegablob then?

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Why shouldnt 50 man be able to map hop?

    Sorry for the weird stupid question.

    trim down on the omega blobbing karma training. Gives smaller servers a chance to threaten them elsewhere without getting insta surprised 50 man hurdur we good blown up.

    idk just a thought.

    But... what rule says 50 man is omega blobbing?

    What if its two 20 man guilds and 10 randoms responding to a T3 under attack by 70+ enemies already on that border?

    Are you going to tell the guilds that they are in fact an omegablob and they arent allowed to port in so fast against whats clearly not omegablob then?

    In situation where facing 2 big blobs in home and EB, this situation favors the many.

    Ktrain would become easier in some situations.

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    Ying Wuxian Renegade/Demon

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020

    I like the thinking behind the OP's suggestion. Here is what I think is wrong with it;

    • Having two or more queued maps means even greater dominance verses a smaller, more flexible force that hops around the maps. -This is increases SNOWBALLING by making big and powerful servers even more powerful and dominant.
    • This suggestion would result in a lot of standing around at spawn, waiting.

    This post contains my opinion.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Mass filling a map is fine, if its in trouble and needs help we want people to get to the fight. I fear this would just create further "I'm on EBG there is no where else we need to go" ism.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Why shouldnt 50 man be able to map hop?

    Sorry for the weird stupid question.

    trim down on the omega blobbing karma training. Gives smaller servers a chance to threaten them elsewhere without getting insta surprised 50 man hurdur we good blown up.

    idk just a thought.

    But... what rule says 50 man is omega blobbing?

    What if its two 20 man guilds and 10 randoms responding to a T3 under attack by 70+ enemies already on that border?

    Are you going to tell the guilds that they are in fact an omegablob and they arent allowed to port in so fast against whats clearly not omegablob then?

    In situation where facing 2 big blobs in home and EB, this situation favors the many.

    Ktrain would become easier in some situations.

    Which has nothing to do with what I said.

    The point was that with a filter for entrance - 10 players per minute, whatever - specifically to keep 50 man zergs from borderhopping how do you actually know its a 50 man zerg and not a far smaller group which is what is supposed to be encouraged?

    What happens if its several guilds at once?
    What happens if EWP was popped and players from 3 other maps respond?
    What happens if its 20+ randoms?
    What happens if its two different 25 man zergs?

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Why shouldnt 50 man be able to map hop?

    Sorry for the weird stupid question.

    trim down on the omega blobbing karma training. Gives smaller servers a chance to threaten them elsewhere without getting insta surprised 50 man hurdur we good blown up.

    idk just a thought.

    But... what rule says 50 man is omega blobbing?

    What if its two 20 man guilds and 10 randoms responding to a T3 under attack by 70+ enemies already on that border?

    Are you going to tell the guilds that they are in fact an omegablob and they arent allowed to port in so fast against whats clearly not omegablob then?

    In situation where facing 2 big blobs in home and EB, this situation favors the many.

    Ktrain would become easier in some situations.

    Which has nothing to do with what I said.

    The point was that with a filter for entrance - 10 players per minute, whatever - specifically to keep 50 man zergs from borderhopping how do you actually know its a 50 man zerg and not a far smaller group which is what is supposed to be encouraged?

    What happens if its several guilds at once?
    What happens if EWP was popped and players from 3 other maps respond?
    What happens if its 20+ randoms?
    What happens if its two different 25 man zergs?

    I think it has, cause if attackers were increasing in home for sure home will call more, for a server to stack that many has u say, their value was incremental over time, so home players had time to scout and close that gap since enemy can’t spike that many players instantly to overwhelm a structure.

    What m8 happen wich was the example I gave was in situations where a server is facing 2 diferent serve while can only respond to 1 map.

    At the end, still would not work, cause that means no one could enter in wvw whenever one wants, or players would exit and join a map if was a way to bypass the 10 players per minute.

    Slayers [XD] NSP Guild
    Yao Chen Herald/Ventari
    Ying Wuxian Renegade/Demon

  • There was no 'maybe' about it.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020

    if there was already a 50 man on a map and another 50 man tries to respond, they couldn't. interesting direction tho.

    edit
    it would be jank and kitten people off at first, but we might see a slight tactics change over time. have dedicated 10 mans on every border with a keep. it would make defending harder, yes, but also more important. the thing is tho people would no doubt fall back to siege which imo is backwards. I would up the number to 20 per 30 sec tho or something like that. you want it to be just enough to deter people from waiting in spawn to ball up but not enough to be a no win situation.

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  • DeadlySynz.3471DeadlySynz.3471 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    So uh... when a t3 garrison is attacked and ewp is pulled... 1 guy shows up from another map like what every 5 mins?

    Well the other options is the blob can split their group up to defend it.

    I've seen this mentioned by quite a few people before in the past and it probably isn't the worst idea; given the placement of the server, stick a timer on how often they can map hop. For example, 1st place it's 1hr, 2nd place is 30 min, 3rd place no restriction. So if a blob leaves EB to go defend their garrison and they are in 1st place, they are stuck on that map for an hour before they can move again. Solution, split the group up to defend both. Then it's a case of, if the groups split up, those players are going to have to learn to get far better than they are instead of getting carried.

  • @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    I've seen this mentioned by quite a few people before in the past and it probably isn't the worst idea; given the placement of the server, stick a timer on how often they can map hop. For example, 1st place it's 1hr, 2nd place is 30 min, 3rd place no restriction.

    that's a cool idea but an hour is waaaay too long lol.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Arioch.6507Arioch.6507 Member ✭✭✭

    It would make reset interesting.....1v1v1 for 10 mins....

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I would much prefer sticking a timer on players to stay on a map for a minimum amount of time before they can switch maps like 30mins, rather than trying to restrict how many can enter a map per minute, there's just too much that can snowball and make this feature more bothersome for defenders than attackers. Maybe only stick this on attacking enemy maps? Maybe only do it after map populations even off to keep numbers more even?

    Attackers already have a big advantage in being able to sneak into an empty map and getting to a target before a response can be made, and while you can rely on human "scouting", some things are not obvious to some people to notice the signs of an attack. Again attackers can take their time to stack a map, avoid detection until they get to their target easily, when an immediate response is needed for defending, well the defenders get royally screwed and need to rely on really early detection calls to get people to respond. Maybe you can make ewp bypass this, but it might be more abused, the spies will definitely abuse it.

    Well just split up your groups! It won't work that way, it'll just make people not care to map hop to defend even more, which over the years more people have already grown tired to bother with unless it's a t3 keep and a fat zerg is attacking.

    I really do hate when zergs map hop to empty maps to avoid fights and get free caps, especially these days when wvw is less populated, so annoying. But either way timers can get messy and may turn people off from playing if they don't freely have the choices to play wherever whenever.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's not a crazy idea.
    But it's treating a symptom rather than the disease. The root problem is too many slots for too few, we need less matches or lower population caps.

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • SWI.4127SWI.4127 Member ✭✭✭

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    So uh... when a t3 garrison is attacked and ewp is pulled... 1 guy shows up from another map like what every 5 mins?

    Well the other options is the blob can split their group up to defend it.

    I've seen this mentioned by quite a few people before in the past and it probably isn't the worst idea; given the placement of the server, stick a timer on how often they can map hop. For example, 1st place it's 1hr, 2nd place is 30 min, 3rd place no restriction. So if a blob leaves EB to go defend their garrison and they are in 1st place, they are stuck on that map for an hour before they can move again. Solution, split the group up to defend both. Then it's a case of, if the groups split up, those players are going to have to learn to get far better than they are instead of getting carried.

    Lock people on a map for an hour at a time? I can't think of a worse idea. There's already no point in winning PPT, now there would be an incentive to not win.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Mail this idea to Diku.

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