OUTNUMBERED leads to poor matching.

OUTNUMBERED:

The enemies greatly outnumber your forces. Be careful out there!+50% Participation+20% Magic Find+25% World ExperienceTake no armor damage on deathBeing killed by the enemy team will not grant War Score.— In-game description

Specifically, the part about "Being killed by the enemy team will NOT grant War Score" is the issue with matching IMHO. If a group which vastly outnumbers your side is able to roll over you and still get loot bags, they are going to keep doing it. If a group which vastly outnumbers you is able to take your tier 3 keep with little effort, they are going to keep doing it. If the game fails to give War Score, that simply means you have to see those same people next month as well. I don't think that War Score modification is having the intended effect of creating competitive matching and heroic skirmishes.

They don't get extra score from killing outnumbered players, which means there isn't enough of your players around so it's really not much points anyways. Regular ppt however is still on, so if they're always "running" you over and taking all your stuff it's unlikely they'll still be close in score with your server and be stuck with you the next week.

Enemy kills really only matter if every single objective for 3 sides is T0. Thats around reset when 80 tick is "high". This is due to the exponential tier score. As soon as you move past the first day, it doesnt have that much impact on who's going to actually win the matchup - especially not if you're outnumbered and take your T3 easily. You'll loose and they'll win.

You are right...outnumbered should remove bags from the side that is outnumbering

bad commanders surrounded bad pugs leads to outnumbered which leads to poor matching.

bad balancing (class- and serverpopulation wise) increase of toxic behaviour leads to kittened up gameplay overall .. if i wouldn´t have some fine mates around i maybe would have stopped playing allready and tried .. idk .. archeage unchained or else ^^

Outnumbered is great, our server is outnumbered almost every evening and oddly enough it is when we have the best fights. Sure we get steamrolled by the 50+zerg but there are also tons roaming parties and havoc groups to have fun with while collecting the extra pips.

@"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said:You are right...outnumbered should remove bags from the side that is outnumbering

Can you imagine the pve tears from wvwers?

"What's the point of playing wvw no rewards reeee!"

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:You are right...outnumbered should remove bags from the side that is outnumbering

Or increase the bags paid to the outnumbered. Can't speak for all servers but will disagree with OP, outnumbered not counting against your side already draws in people. Paying them more, might draw more in.

@TheGrimm.5624 said:

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:You are right...outnumbered should remove bags from the side that is outnumbering

There is a problem in there somewhere...

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@TheGrimm.5624 said:

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:You are right...outnumbered should remove bags from the side that is outnumbering

People that will game a system will always find a way. You can't penalize a side that is active and playing, so instead I say encourage more of the side that is outnumbered and further buff the reason they are going to go out and probably face greater challenges. I am not in the group that says all loot in WvW leads to downfall. You only get paid if you kill things and risk vs reward should be a thing.

So the loot tables determine wvw participation? Yeah that checks out. Knew about the magic find never read the other stuff. If all 4 maps are dead usually get bored too quick to stick around for loot.

i like the +5 pipes :)

Outnumber only serves to minimize warscoring so that the greater faction can't just camp spawn and farm whoever comes out.

People are still gonna do it though, for bags.

@bluberblasen.9684 said:i like the +5 pipes :)

Pipes! Who doesn't like a good pipe. =)

I remember way back when I was an apprentice, they would only give me a couple pipes. =)

If there's not many people around to begin with then the kills mean little, regardless if they would count for point score or not.