World Restructuring / Alliances — Guild Wars 2 Forums

World Restructuring / Alliances

Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

I wanted to post this with a question that is simple, yet I do understand the answer may not be as simple: Is this still coming?

Many don’t think it is, many still hope it is, and still others are afraid it is.

It was fist announce as a potential two years ago. And generated a lot of excitement.

Approximately 6 months later we got an ‘Update’. And again approximately 4 months after the update, we received ‘Update 2’.

As I have stated before, many of us love your game mode, warts and all. Many of us want so many things tweaked/changed. But keeping this ‘nebulous’ is only stoking the fires of apathy.

For others, here are the 4 threads started by Anet referenced above:

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26547/world-restructuring/p1

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1/p1

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/61986/world-restructuring-update-2/p1

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26877/world-restructuring-faq/p1

Again: ‘Is this still coming’?

Thank You for the {MEME}

Comments

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I'm sure Anet will rush into the WvW forums eager to answer your question.

    I tend to disagree with you on that.

    I don’t expect them to answer. That would be presumptuous on my part.

    Would I like an answer? Sure.

    Expect one? No.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Well the time to kill is getting worked on so the newer players might not quit immediately. That could help.

    If only the matchups would get a fix.. it kills off the mode so fast. We are tired of match manipulation its been going on for years.

  • KeoLegend.5132KeoLegend.5132 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I'm sure Anet will rush into the WvW forums eager to answer your question.

    I tend to disagree with you on that.

    I don’t expect them to answer. That would be presumptuous on my part.

    Would I like an answer? Sure.

    Expect one? No.

    couldn't you get the sarcasm?

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its a fair question. Especially since the answer to it would make a difference on other changes people have proposed occur.

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
    TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/HoTS/Civ6/CU/AoC

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @KeoLegend.5132 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I'm sure Anet will rush into the WvW forums eager to answer your question.

    I tend to disagree with you on that.

    I don’t expect them to answer. That would be presumptuous on my part.

    Would I like an answer? Sure.

    Expect one? No.

    couldn't you get the sarcasm?

    Who says it is? 🙂

    And who says I didn’t? 🌈😺🌈😺

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • so 2 years ago to this day world restructure was announced. I feel another update is on the way.

    there rilly close guise

    Te lazla otstara.

  • @displayname.8315 said:
    If only the matchups would get a fix.. it kills off the mode so fast. We are tired of match manipulation its been going on for years.

    Why is nothing being done or has not been done so far? One of the reasons is that they earn (good) money with the existing system, they do not really want to do without it. And the main part is contributed by the manipulations (every two months) of the players. ANet knows that very well.

    If you would mention something like this in the present of ANet (which was already done, there was no answer), you might have to be satisfied with the answer that players decided this way, that is, players voted this way (relinking every two months).

    In my opinion, the basically miserable situation could have been countered by (at least) "one small" change long ago. And that with a relinking with every reset, i.e. every Friday. Sounds simple at first, but it doesn't seem to be, because of the "calculations" running in the background or the existing system (and the program code), which would have to be changed, which is probably not worth the effort from ANet's point of view.

    Unfortunately ANet is not able to find another way to reconcile this. This means satisfying its player base and earning money through a well thought out (transfer) system or other means of income. One solution may be (or at least it feels like it is): "Get as many casual players into game mode as possible and replace them for veterans". Nothing you haven't seen in the recent past.

    To go on, this (all) should be remedied by the alliance system, which is still important that it appears or is integrated. Whenever.
    Just by the way: "Two years development time for the templates (from conception to implementation) Now think about what this means for the vaunted alliance system.

    The next question is, why don't we hear anything about the Alliances system at the moment? Is ANet so busy to finish it, ... and ready for the next bigger announcement? Or is ANet still collecting data because of the current situation or the last change " removing the language barrier (EU)" to find out if and what makes sense? We do not know, not yet. And unfortunately yes, the waiting is annoying and meanwhile also unreasonable. Among other things, the legacy of the former company policy and the former CEO (for sure).

    Mike O Brien: "(...) We make this game for you".
    Source: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/586426#Comment_586426

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think they discovered the secret to infinite content with zero investment. Say you'll do a thing, don't give a release date, then just never do it. It's genius. When we start to get suspicious, just say a new thing. -clears throat- "Expansion level content!" All they have to do is keep people floating around enough to sell gemstore skins after all.

    Cynicism aside, it'll probably save you a lot of frustration just to play the game expecting absolutely nothing to be released for it ever again.

    Depression and anxiety are the worst...

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Why would it be. Anet's main gem infusion comes from the transfer stackers followed by the we better stack to so we can compete vs them to win nothing. How many you think jumped to DR today? How many left last stack JQ? They even give NA advanced warning now so you only get bagged 1 week of no pips. I say alliances never come out and it wasn't a great idea in the first place and would probably require more effort on their part then this current mess. Noone cares BG gets a link because I doubt the players solely on DR would tip the balance it's you allow 70 transfers to that link that creates the transfer domino effect. Where do they recoup those gems from even tho I assume most are purchased with gold since WvW is so lucrative.

  • Slick.7164Slick.7164 Member ✭✭✭

    Anet doesn't care about this, in fact they will insure tonight that its back to business as usual. They are probably as we speak, raising the population cap on BG and DR so that all them ftp accounts can re-stack Blackgate once again. Get used to your tags being watched and your tactics being troll pulled.

  • I'd like to make an honest comment but the form mods might ..oh wait, can't mention that either...

    I fully expect alliances to be released within the current century (although maybe not in this game).

  • Acheron.4731Acheron.4731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I'm sure Anet will rush into the WvW forums eager to answer your question.

    well, at least the excuse "We are too busy creating expansion-like content" is off the table.

    Don't Worry, My Dutch is OK

  • Whiteout.1975Whiteout.1975 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2020

    @Strider Pj.2193
    I have just been playing other games and doing more IRL things. Feels a lot better than waiting around for "Alliances" IMO. I think it was still good of you to have made a post about the Alliances; to say you did so if anything. I just feel sad for everyone that is still actively waiting on a company that takes their players (WvW/PvP especially) for granted, speaking as a veteran. Still, I honestly wish you best of luck and Anet (because they did keep me for 5-6 years). I just wish I could play the game again, but I just feel like I'd be shooting myself in the foot at this point (for about the 5th time). If anyone else enjoy's, be they new or whatever... I'm happy for you all. Enjoy while you can.

    I'll come back around when population balance is fixed/Alliances and check those out. That's all I'm interested in at this point. Again, best of luck...

    "You can't have quality population balance without quality participation." 🤯

    ~ Me

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    The main problem is anyone who represents a large number of wvw players will only interact on a basis that benefits only themselves so anet can't really communicate or work with anyone on that basis. The key is if you really like the game mode and you want it to grow you'll be the people who don't try to exploit the system for personal gains. I always hear people say how things didn't work out but then the reason behind it is because they made it not work. Plus we have some pve guilds that do not understand what Alliances are meant to be for and even some trying to destabilize how things work so it'll be a long time or never but based on these upcoming balance changes I doubt alliances will ever come.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Whiteout.1975 said:
    @Strider Pj.2193
    I have just been playing other games and doing more IRL things. Feels a lot better than waiting around for "Alliances" IMO. I think it was still good of you to have made a post about the Alliances; to say you did so if anything. I just feel sad for everyone that is still actively waiting on a company that takes their players (WvW/PvP especially) for granted, speaking as a veteran. Still, I honestly wish you best of luck and Anet (because they did keep me for 5-6 years). I just wish I could play the game again, but I just feel like I'd be shooting myself in the foot at this point (for about the 5th time). If anyone else enjoy's, be they new or whatever... I'm happy for you all. Enjoy while you can.

    I'll come back around when population balance is fixed/Alliances and check those out. That's all I'm interested in at this point. Again, best of luck...

    At this stage that is the healthy choice. I’ve played minimally over the last three months.

    I also wonder about their timing of the balance patch preview. Right on the two year anniversary of The announcements about Alliances lol.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Whiteout.1975 said:
    @Strider Pj.2193
    I have just been playing other games and doing more IRL things. Feels a lot better than waiting around for "Alliances" IMO. I think it was still good of you to have made a post about the Alliances; to say you did so if anything. I just feel sad for everyone that is still actively waiting on a company that takes their players (WvW/PvP especially) for granted, speaking as a veteran. Still, I honestly wish you best of luck and Anet (because they did keep me for 5-6 years). I just wish I could play the game again, but I just feel like I'd be shooting myself in the foot at this point (for about the 5th time). If anyone else enjoy's, be they new or whatever... I'm happy for you all. Enjoy while you can.

    I'll come back around when population balance is fixed/Alliances and check those out. That's all I'm interested in at this point. Again, best of luck...

    At this stage that is the healthy choice. I’ve played minimally over the last three months.

    I also wonder about their timing of the balance patch preview. Right on the two year anniversary of The announcements about Alliances lol.

    That is a positive about GW2, you can take a break and the game will be available to you when you get back. And agree, fitting in other games to keep things fresh helps. The flipside to the same argument though is that the less people there are in WvW the less fun it becomes. It really is a game mode that more the better, and I say this as a roamer/havoc player.

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
    TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/HoTS/Civ6/CU/AoC

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You forgot to link anet and any dev who ever posts on the forums if you want answers.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    You forgot to link anet and any dev who ever posts on the forums if you want answers.

    Yeah... about that: I got a three point infraction for ‘calling out a dev’ with a previous thread just asking for an opinion. So.. not happening lol..

    Remember the first rule of Fight Club.

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
    TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/HoTS/Civ6/CU/AoC

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    Remember the first rule of Fight Club.

    Dang it... I’ve done it now.....

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Jugglemonkey.8741Jugglemonkey.8741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2020

    Based on the road map from a dev I saw on another site recently (was ont of the mmo websites, memory fails past that), it doesn't seem like it's coming this year.

    Edit: found it.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/97028/a-message-from-andrew-gray

    Critical Kit, Deadeye.
    “If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.” - John Steinbeck

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
    Based on the road map from a dev I saw on another site recently (was ont of the mmo websites, memory fails past that), it doesn't seem like it's coming this year.

    Edit: found it.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/97028/a-message-from-andrew-gray

    Yeah.. there is a throwaway mention about WvW as a nod to their new PvE map. But in their defense, it was a PvE centric.

    That being said, to many in this forum, it is too heavily PvE based with very little attention to WvW.

    I mean, throw us a bone....

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If there is not even silence, then the crickets were killed.

  • The answer is "Yes". Anet posted an update about it last summer on these forums. (They prolly had that restructuring going on, causing a lack of communication for a while).

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kmfart.7480 said:
    The answer is "Yes". Anet posted an update about it last summer on these forums. (They prolly had that restructuring going on, causing a lack of communication for a while).

    So... you mean the throw away comment after their live event?

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/85879/future-plans-competitive/p1

    When they said ‘oh.. btw, it’s still happening’ ?

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Sviel.7493Sviel.7493 Member ✭✭✭

    On the topic of Fractals…
    Reports of their death have been greatly exaggerated, though I apologize that our silence on the topic raised that concern.

    Reading the Andrew Gray message feels like walking barefoot on broken glass.

  • They are running a business. They need to make money to keep running the business. WvW probably doesn't make them enough money to spend resources on developing it further.

  • Jugglemonkey.8741Jugglemonkey.8741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Celebrimbor.7210 said:
    They are running a business. They need to make money to keep running the business. WvW probably doesn't make them enough money to spend resources on developing it further.

    And that would be ok. But then be adults like a business and say so. 😬😊

    This, pretty much

    Critical Kit, Deadeye.
    “If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.” - John Steinbeck

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What I don't understand is why do people keep saying that swiss is first because the tech from it will be used for Alliances. I remember them saying sPvP swiss first but am not recalling any connection in the tech. Maybe in the devs, but I can't see how the coding for swiss would tie into determining how to group people for an alliance or does someone recall a post?

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
    TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/HoTS/Civ6/CU/AoC

  • Cambeleg.7632Cambeleg.7632 Member ✭✭✭

    @Celebrimbor.7210 said:
    They are running a business. They need to make money to keep running the business. WvW probably doesn't make them enough money to spend resources on developing it further.

    Easy then: CLOSE IT and problem solved. No more complains about the gamemode being forgotten and/or bashed repeated times.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe next year.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • I used to have hope. Now I just about out of it. Alliances may come, but I'm almost to the point that I don't care. I'll keep playing WvW as long as I find it fun. Soon as it isn't I log off the game. While not a great way to measure, but one that's obvious: The fun kept me in where I'd wrap around diamond a few times, now I don't pass gold very often.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well if we are waiting behind Swiss and balance, maybe we will soon have less stuff in front of it.

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/swiss-tournaments-are-coming/

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
    TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/HoTS/Civ6/CU/AoC

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Celebrimbor.7210 said:
    They are running a business. They need to make money to keep running the business. WvW probably doesn't make them enough money to spend resources on developing it further.

    Agreed, but I don't understand how people assume "WvW" doesn't generate revenue for ANET? All their revenue comes via the Gem Store purchases, selling cosmetic and account upgrades.

    WvW exclusive players likely don't need as many shared inventory slots as others, but bank tabs, character slots, material storage - I imagine they would be equally as important.

    Outfits, Gliders, Mount Skins (Warclaw only obv), Armor and Weapon Skins, Dyes, Gathering Tools - all something a WvW exclusive player might be interested in buying. The only exception I can think of would be Chairs, since they can't be used in WvW.

    And we're only talking about WvW-exclusive players here. I imagine a significant chunk of people who WvW also PvP and/or PvE.

    Perfect case in point, I just dropped 1200 gems to get a Warclaw skin since I'm spending almost all my time in WvW these days. True, that doesn't compare to the 8 or so PvE mount skins I've acquired for all the other mounts, but it isn't nothing, and I wouldn't have bought a skin for the Warclaw if I were just a PvE player. No doubt PvE generates the most Gem Store revenue by comparison, but I wouldn't say WvW exclusive players bring nothing to ANET.

    If anything I'd say the sPvP exclusive crowd would be the least interested in Gem Store upgrades, since they only need to be LV 1 to participate, and don't need mount skins, material storage, or tools, etc.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Celebrimbor.7210 said:
    They are running a business. They need to make money to keep running the business. WvW probably doesn't make them enough money to spend resources on developing it further.

    Agreed, but I don't understand how people assume "WvW" doesn't generate revenue for ANET? All their revenue comes via the Gem Store purchases, selling cosmetic and account upgrades.

    WvW exclusive players likely don't need as many shared inventory slots as others, but bank tabs, character slots, material storage - I imagine they would be equally as important.

    Outfits, Gliders, Mount Skins (Warclaw only obv), Armor and Weapon Skins, Dyes, Gathering Tools - all something a WvW exclusive player might be interested in buying. The only exception I can think of would be Chairs, since they can't be used in WvW.

    And we're only talking about WvW-exclusive players here. I imagine a significant chunk of people who WvW also PvP and/or PvE.

    Perfect case in point, I just dropped 1200 gems to get a Warclaw skin since I'm spending almost all my time in WvW these days. True, that doesn't compare to the 8 or so PvE mount skins I've acquired for all the other mounts, but it isn't nothing, and I wouldn't have bought a skin for the Warclaw if I were just a PvE player. No doubt PvE generates the most Gem Store revenue by comparison, but I wouldn't say WvW exclusive players bring nothing to ANET.

    If anything I'd say the sPvP exclusive crowd would be the least interested in Gem Store upgrades, since they only need to be LV 1 to participate, and don't need mount skins, material storage, or tools, etc.

    Yeah, have to agree this argument doesn't hold up. Granted I PvX but most of my stuff was bought due to WvW. And even above, Shared Inventory spots, maxed out and most of it is stuff for WvW. Food/Util buffs, siege of all types, could honestly need more space and would buy today if they upped the max again. If they released new elites, would be buying more character spots since I would want to create at least 1 more of each new elite, and that doesn't then count expanded bags spots on those toons. Bank tabs are full of ascended sets for various WvW builds. Please don't discount that WvW do make purchases as well.

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
    TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/HoTS/Civ6/CU/AoC

  • TinkTinkPOOF.9201TinkTinkPOOF.9201 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2020

    I ONLY WvW and PvP, I have every finisher, almost all outfits, glider skins, warclaw skins, gem harvesting kits, many Salvage-o-Matics, all bag slots unlocked on all accounts, many extra bank slots, maxed shared inventory slots etc etc. Why is there this notion that people who PvP/WvW don't spend money on the game?

    "When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TinkTinkPOOF.9201 said:
    I ONLY WvW and PvP, I have every finisher, almost all outfits, glider skins, warclaw skins, gem harvesting kits, many Salvage-o-Matics, all bag slots unlocked on all accounts, many extra blank slots, maxed shared inventory slots etc etc. Why is there this notion that people who PvP/WvW don't spend money on the game?

    Yep.

    I don’t have quite that much, but have my share as well.

    It seems to be the script to ensure PvE gets the lion’s share of the attention.

    Thank You for the {MEME}