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I just realized strike missions are needed to get enough achievements towards the Shadow in the Ice meta achievement, and specially since the last 2 missions have scaled in difficulty, I see very difficult to get them without being a raider due to the raid proofs expected to join a successful group, I'd just like to know if this is a trend to keep in future chapters, thank you.

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  • What is a meta achievement?

  • Ameepa.6793Ameepa.6793 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2020

    Ooh Thanks, I did not notice before that the strike achies too are needed for that. Won't bother with other achies then either since not gonna get the meta anyways then.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2020

    Performing well in strikes doesn’t mean you have to be a raider. Not getting hit by shockwaves during the Svanir strike mission doesn’t mean you have to be a raider. Not getting downed or killed during that same strike mission doesn’t mean that you have to be a raider. Killing the ice crystals before elementals are spawned doesn’t mean that you have to be a raider.

    Also, it’s very rare to find a group that is actually requesting raid proofs. In the past four months, I’ve only seen it being requested once and that was because they wanted to get the gold chest.

  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭

    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

    You on eu or na?
    Cant say I seen it in eu.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I haven’t seen it in NA but I haven’t been monitoring the LFG extensively either. There’s also nothing stopping players from creating their own group.

  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

    You on eu or na?
    Cant say I seen it in eu.

    I'm on EU and just recently this night/morning (some time around 2 am and 4 am I think) I've seen at least 2 or 3 adds for Drakkar requiring 250 LI. As for Strike missions (if the LFG tab isn't empty) people ask for raid stuff. You rarely find any relaxed runs. I thought the intention of strikes was to get more people into raids (or get people who took a break to return to them) but as I see literally every lfg add for them requiring raid kill proofs I doubt this content will get anywhere.
    And whenever I make my own group stating that it's a relaxed run and everyone is welcome still people join who obviously stress and act toxic towards eachother. You can tell from the AP and the gear if someone is obviously toxic or not, so that's how I know.

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  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2020

    I have seen multiple groups today, groups that ask for LI for the new strike (from 50 to 250). I guess a lot of groups fail cause of killing the squad with the chains.
    Edit: i am on EU

  • Wolfb.7025Wolfb.7025 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2020

    @Benethan.3657 said:
    The thing is the difficulty of the strikes is clearly increasing and although I'm not sure if it's comparable to the easiest raids it's 10ppl group content and don't think 10 ppl group content achievements belong in the saga story meta achievement, specially when it's not a bonus but imperative to get to the needed number.

    Can confirm the new strike is as hard as some of the easiest raids (Cairn, for example). at first I joined a group all cocky thinking I didn't even need previous preparation for it and it would be just another DPS Golem (hit it until it dies) but oh boy I was wrong, mechanics hit hard if you're not aware of them, and the boss does have a high HP pool; even with a decent group (the pug I was with) we had to give it quite some Pulls and re consider our composition (like bringing a heal scourge) in order to finally beat this boss.

    Said this, the new strike is definitely not for the casuals; they do need to pay attention to the three mechanics that are present in the entire fight or people will die; also provide decent dps, i'm not saying Benchmark dps but at least put exotic berserk gear instead of the open world armorset that most of the people seem to use.

    The raven sanctum strikes however, are easier, the achievements does take a little bit of awareness to complete, I did all 3 achievement the first pull on the Fraenir strike, but gonna give credit to our healer because they did a really good job.

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cynder.2509 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

    You on eu or na?
    Cant say I seen it in eu.

    I'm on EU and just recently this night/morning (some time around 2 am and 4 am I think) I've seen at least 2 or 3 adds for Drakkar requiring 250 LI. As for Strike missions (if the LFG tab isn't empty) people ask for raid stuff. You rarely find any relaxed runs. I thought the intention of strikes was to get more people into raids (or get people who took a break to return to them) but as I see literally every lfg add for them requiring raid kill proofs I doubt this content will get anywhere.
    And whenever I make my own group stating that it's a relaxed run and everyone is welcome still people join who obviously stress and act toxic towards eachother. You can tell from the AP and the gear if someone is obviously toxic or not, so that's how I know.

    Anyone asking for LI for Drakkar is either being dramatic or doesn't know what they're talking about. Drakkar is a world boss, it can be done by as many people who will fit on the map and isn't any more complicated than a normal world boss so there's absolutely no need for people equipped for raids.

    As for the strike mission my advice is the same as for any time LFG doesn't have a group that's right for you: make your own. Over the last 20 minutes I've seen quite a few groups which specify they're open to anyone or which have no requirements appear, fill and vanish. I think if you were to put your own group advert up and say everyone's welcome it would fill quickly. I haven't done the strike enough to know if you'd be able to beat it or not, but at least you'd be able to give it a go.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    Everyone is capable of doing strikes; they just choose not to do them. Strikes are part of the episode so it’s fitting that a number of achievements tied to them are needed for the episodes mastery achievement.

    It's only like three achievements that you'd need to complete from strikes which isn't all that much of an ask. Especially when some of them can be done without even completing the strike mission.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA. No. Not everyone is capable. I guess everyone is like...10% of the game, if that, who have done raids. Boneskinner, and the new one are much much harder than regular content, and a massive step up for the casual players who for the most part only do open world.

    No, it's a choice being made to not do them. It has nothing to do about skill as that threshold is fairly low compared to raids. All boneskinner requires of you, if you choose to heal through the pulsing damage, is to avoid the red circle ground AoE's. That's hardly difficult. The newer strike is different since there's a mechanic that can cause a wipe but that one can be completely skipped. The other two strikes are fairly simple.

    Making them mandatory -is- locking people from finishing the meta, even if you dont want to believe people cant do it. We are already seeing people asking for KP and LI from raids for strikes, if this is the route they are going, they need to stop now., strike missions should never be so hard that players are getting locked out of doing them unless theyve done raids.

    It's not them being mandatory that is locking them out but the players themselves choosing not to do them. The ones asking for KP/LI are very few and likely trying to get gold. There's absolutely no reason why you cannot just create your own group. I have a feeling that you've hardly done strikes, you see maybe one or two groups (if at all) that require LI/KP, and then go all doom and gloom.

    Yes, you can make your own party, but good luck getting a group of pugs(who you cant control what class they bring, what armor they have, what skills they use, what their skill level is, etc) who are capable of doing it, or the achievements.

    Practically all of the achievements can be obtained with personal skill. The ones that require breaking the bar are typically done in the course of beating the strike. You don't need to perform at raid level to beat the strikes. The fact that you seem set on this belief leads me to believe that you haven't done strikes or at least not regularly. You have a very false notion about how they really are.

    Metas should be able to be finished with only the content on the map and the story instances, as they have been for literally every other living world release in the game. the achievements should still be in game, but they shouldnt be required, optional, yes, mandatory no.

    Strikes are as part of the map as story instances.

  • Aaralyna.3104Aaralyna.3104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have actually seen 2 groups in eu asking for kp and li in lfg descriptions. One of them had so many silly requirements I am not sure it was actually not just for fun. The other I joined prior to the com updating it to 150 li requirement while I had done 5 tries already in that group. So I said, I only have 1 li lol and com said "you stay" :P So I don't think all of them are to be taken seriously at all times (just join and ask when you join if its rlly needed, if not you stay, if they are serious you just leave). I have not seen it on Drakkar worldboss but today I faced a failed Drakkar worldboss while there were plenty of ppl and 3 com tags. Time was up and boss still had 30% hp or something but I think it was lack of supporters with boons since when stacking I barely got any damage out and while ranged I did. Normally I always saw it kinda same values.

    As for the meta achieve, I don't know if it does need strikes as I didn't count it. Theres 2 hidden achievements thats outside strikes. And ofcourse some achieves are still bugged.

  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2020

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

    You on eu or na?
    Cant say I seen it in eu.

    I'm on EU and just recently this night/morning (some time around 2 am and 4 am I think) I've seen at least 2 or 3 adds for Drakkar requiring 250 LI. As for Strike missions (if the LFG tab isn't empty) people ask for raid stuff. You rarely find any relaxed runs. I thought the intention of strikes was to get more people into raids (or get people who took a break to return to them) but as I see literally every lfg add for them requiring raid kill proofs I doubt this content will get anywhere.
    And whenever I make my own group stating that it's a relaxed run and everyone is welcome still people join who obviously stress and act toxic towards eachother. You can tell from the AP and the gear if someone is obviously toxic or not, so that's how I know.

    Anyone asking for LI for Drakkar is either being dramatic or doesn't know what they're talking about. Drakkar is a world boss, it can be done by as many people who will fit on the map and isn't any more complicated than a normal world boss so there's absolutely no need for people equipped for raids.

    As for the strike mission my advice is the same as for any time LFG doesn't have a group that's right for you: make your own. Over the last 20 minutes I've seen quite a few groups which specify they're open to anyone or which have no requirements appear, fill and vanish. I think if you were to put your own group advert up and say everyone's welcome it would fill quickly. I haven't done the strike enough to know if you'd be able to beat it or not, but at least you'd be able to give it a go.

    That's what I always do: opening up my own group on lfg static that everyone is welcome and that it's a relaxed run and that I don't want toxic people in it but there's always people joining who I clearly said that I don't want joining. You can tell if someone is toxic and stressful towards the group by their AP and what gear/skins/infusions they have clustered all around them. Clearly people can't read lfg descriptions before joining.

    @Aaralyna.3104 said:

    As for the meta achieve, I don't know if it does need strikes as I didn't count it. Theres 2 hidden achievements thats outside strikes. And ofcourse some achieves are still bugged.

    May I ask which are the hidden ones? So far I've only heard about one hidden achievement that requires one to be hit by an ice shard being dropped by the Claw of Jormag.

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  • sokeenoppa.5384sokeenoppa.5384 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I agree that you should not need to complete strikes for meta achievments bur for the love of good stop calling strikes a raider content, as i raider i feel that I haven't got any content in last 9 months or so.

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2020

    @Cynder.2509 said:

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

    You on eu or na?
    Cant say I seen it in eu.

    I'm on EU and just recently this night/morning (some time around 2 am and 4 am I think) I've seen at least 2 or 3 adds for Drakkar requiring 250 LI. As for Strike missions (if the LFG tab isn't empty) people ask for raid stuff. You rarely find any relaxed runs. I thought the intention of strikes was to get more people into raids (or get people who took a break to return to them) but as I see literally every lfg add for them requiring raid kill proofs I doubt this content will get anywhere.
    And whenever I make my own group stating that it's a relaxed run and everyone is welcome still people join who obviously stress and act toxic towards eachother. You can tell from the AP and the gear if someone is obviously toxic or not, so that's how I know.

    Anyone asking for LI for Drakkar is either being dramatic or doesn't know what they're talking about. Drakkar is a world boss, it can be done by as many people who will fit on the map and isn't any more complicated than a normal world boss so there's absolutely no need for people equipped for raids.

    As for the strike mission my advice is the same as for any time LFG doesn't have a group that's right for you: make your own. Over the last 20 minutes I've seen quite a few groups which specify they're open to anyone or which have no requirements appear, fill and vanish. I think if you were to put your own group advert up and say everyone's welcome it would fill quickly. I haven't done the strike enough to know if you'd be able to beat it or not, but at least you'd be able to give it a go.

    That's what I always do: opening up my own group on lfg static that everyone is welcome and that it's a relaxed run and that I don't want toxic people in it but there's always people joining who I clearly said that I don't want joining. You can tell if someone is toxic and stressful towards the group by their AP and what gear/skins/infusions they have clustered all around them. Clearly people can't read lfg descriptions before joining.

    Ok that's a seperate problem. I recommended saying everyone is welcome because it means the group will fill up faster, but you need to mean it too. If you're only actually willing to let certain people join your group then you need to make it clear in the description who is and is not acceptable to you, and accept that by narrowing your options it will take longer to fill the group.

    I wouldn't know that your definition of 'toxic' is based on how someone's character is dressed, to me it's about how the player behaves towards other people in the group. So if you just said 'no toxic people' I'd join on whatever character I happened to be playing at the time, accept anyone else who joined the group and try to keep any comments civil and reasonable (e.g not telling other players to change their build). If you said you only want certain skins and infusions I'd consider whether it's still worth my time and if so switch to an appropriate character.

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  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

    You on eu or na?
    Cant say I seen it in eu.

    I'm on EU and just recently this night/morning (some time around 2 am and 4 am I think) I've seen at least 2 or 3 adds for Drakkar requiring 250 LI. As for Strike missions (if the LFG tab isn't empty) people ask for raid stuff. You rarely find any relaxed runs. I thought the intention of strikes was to get more people into raids (or get people who took a break to return to them) but as I see literally every lfg add for them requiring raid kill proofs I doubt this content will get anywhere.
    And whenever I make my own group stating that it's a relaxed run and everyone is welcome still people join who obviously stress and act toxic towards eachother. You can tell from the AP and the gear if someone is obviously toxic or not, so that's how I know.

    Anyone asking for LI for Drakkar is either being dramatic or doesn't know what they're talking about. Drakkar is a world boss, it can be done by as many people who will fit on the map and isn't any more complicated than a normal world boss so there's absolutely no need for people equipped for raids.

    As for the strike mission my advice is the same as for any time LFG doesn't have a group that's right for you: make your own. Over the last 20 minutes I've seen quite a few groups which specify they're open to anyone or which have no requirements appear, fill and vanish. I think if you were to put your own group advert up and say everyone's welcome it would fill quickly. I haven't done the strike enough to know if you'd be able to beat it or not, but at least you'd be able to give it a go.

    That's what I always do: opening up my own group on lfg static that everyone is welcome and that it's a relaxed run and that I don't want toxic people in it but there's always people joining who I clearly said that I don't want joining. You can tell if someone is toxic and stressful towards the group by their AP and what gear/skins/infusions they have clustered all around them. Clearly people can't read lfg descriptions before joining.

    Ok that's a seperate problem. I recommended saying everyone is welcome because it means the group will fill up faster, but you need to mean it too. If you're only actually willing to let certain people join your group then you need to make it clear in the description who is and is not acceptable to you, and accept that by narrowing your options it will take longer to fill the group.

    I wouldn't know that your definition of 'toxic' is based on how someone's character is dressed, to me it's about how the player behaves towards other people in the group. So if you just said 'no toxic people' I'd join on whatever character I happened to be playing at the time, accept anyone else who joined the group and try to keep any comments civil and reasonable (e.g not telling other players to change their build). If you said you only want certain skins and infusions I'd consider whether it's still worth my time and if so switch to an appropriate character.

    I mean you can tell from the AP as well (mostly those over 20k, especially 30k or 40k) if someone is potentionally toxic. Well, then I might need to count myself towards that too since I'm close to 30k... No, what I mean is the chance of players over 20k AP being "one of those" is very high and in my experience these tend to be complete showoffs as well (especially those with 30k or 40k). And having your character cluttered with full legendary equipment and infusions from a raid (the gostly one) or extremely expensive ones is in my opinion showing off and obnoxious towards others. It makes others feel bad about themselves and think they're lesser than someone else. As an example I feel constqantly pushed to show off my stuff as well in order to not being misjudged by others. Actually I'm someone who likes using what fis to the character/the characters backstory and headcanons and overall a bit more realistic things rather than flashy all legendary and prestige stuff. Maybe I'm being too paranoid here but it's always those people being extremely "toxic" towards everyone else and mostly they think higher of themselves and want everyone to be like them. I just don't want to play with these people who put others down, insult everyone and just completely show off.
    Not everyone can be as godly as them due to time restrictions as some of us still have a real life to take care of or due to disabilities or other physical impacts or maybe some can't direct their full attention to the game because of children, pets, wife/husband etc. Not everyone is a twitch streamer with too much time on their hands who always needs to be the best just for views so they can beg for money instead of actually doing real work.
    Just because someone isn't doing that what I described doesn't mean they're bad or new. You never know the reason behind the screen. I hate to constantly having to justify myself to everyone only because I try not to stress myself within a virtual world as I still have a real life to take care of. Why can't people just enjoy a game for once these days. What happened to the time when people played games for enjoyment, entertainment and fun? Can't we just be nice to eachother?

    Well, I apologize for this general rant. It's just something I need to get off my chest. But to come back to the point:
    As some have requested, I think there should be additional achievements counting towards the meta that can be done without strike missions (not because they're hard. The Whisper of Jormag, as someone said that was harder than Cairn or MO, is actually retty easy. It's isn't true what was said there although MO is the easiest boss within the game in general in my opinion) so that people who don't want that content can still complete everything for the emote. In general I think that we need a bit more variety on achievements and a diversity of options of how to complete such things as a master/meta achievement. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be achievements that not everyone can complete. I think a healthy variety of achievements are needed. Some that can be completed by everyone, some only accessable for a certain type of content (raids/strikesetc.) and others. I think there should be an approach to every player group. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be "rare achievements".
    Let's see if and what solution the Devs will eventually find for that in the future.

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  • Yasi.9065Yasi.9065 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2020

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    People say that you don't need LI or KP to join. Well, I've seen only groups in lfg asking for those and I've even seen groups in LFG that want LI and KP for the new Drakkar world boss. Like what do you need KP and LI for just a world boss for? So it's right what OP says because so far I've only seen stuff in lfg that has requirements een for world bosses.

    Just join and ask if you really need to ping, since most of those are either going for gold (not needed except for pride) or they are just making fun of the kp "system" and are just trolling.

    /edit: Also, please, stop trying to split the community. Strikes are for everyone. Raids are for everyone. Story is for everyone. If YOU refuse to do certain content doesnt mean that its exclusive to "labelX players". It is YOUR decision to ignore parts of the game.

  • @Aaralyna.3104 said:
    I have actually seen 2 groups in eu asking for kp and li in lfg descriptions. ....

    LOL...I have no idea what "kp" and "li" even mean.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheAgedGnome.7520 said:

    @Aaralyna.3104 said:
    I have actually seen 2 groups in eu asking for kp and li in lfg descriptions. ....

    LOL...I have no idea what "kp" and "li" even mean.

    "kill proof" - usually some kind of decoration drop unique to the raid/fractal/whatever boss in question
    "legendary insight" - a crafting material that you get from raid bosses, one per kill

  • Aaralyna.3104Aaralyna.3104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cynder.2509

    @Aaralyna.3104 said:

    As for the meta achieve, I don't know if it does need strikes as I didn't count it. Theres 2 hidden achievements thats outside strikes. And ofcourse some achieves are still bugged.

    May I ask which are the hidden ones? So far I've only heard about one hidden achievement that requires one to be hit by an ice shard being dropped by the Claw of Jormag.

    Sorry for the late reply. The first hidden achievement is "Shadows Creep" (have not been able to get this or find it, some report a kodan with a book on the ground, others have reported a sort of blackout screen phase). The second hidden achievement is " Bjora Marches Errant" (Complete Silence or Chasing Ghosts). And third hidden achievement is "Anvil Drop" which is the ice shard at the meta near the keep one. These are listed on the wikipedia https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadow_in_the_Ice_(achievements)

  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aaralyna.3104 said:
    @Cynder.2509

    @Aaralyna.3104 said:

    As for the meta achieve, I don't know if it does need strikes as I didn't count it. Theres 2 hidden achievements thats outside strikes. And ofcourse some achieves are still bugged.

    May I ask which are the hidden ones? So far I've only heard about one hidden achievement that requires one to be hit by an ice shard being dropped by the Claw of Jormag.

    Sorry for the late reply. The first hidden achievement is "Shadows Creep" (have not been able to get this or find it, some report a kodan with a book on the ground, others have reported a sort of blackout screen phase). The second hidden achievement is " Bjora Marches Errant" (Complete Silence or Chasing Ghosts). And third hidden achievement is "Anvil Drop" which is the ice shard at the meta near the keep one. These are listed on the wikipedia https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadow_in_the_Ice_(achievements)

    No problem. Thanks a lot for the answer though. I'll try to see if I can get them out of the way soon. Couldn't find these hidden ones the last time I checked the wiki. I only knew about Anvil Drop through Reddit.

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AgentMoore.9453 said:
    I wouldn't say the new meta is only for raiders, but it's definitely much more of an ask than previous metas have been. A lot of casual players are going to squint at this, not because the content is impossible or because they're bad at the game, but because it's a lot more effort than has typically been required by meta achievements.

    I consider myself a casual player. I mostly know how the game works and am willing to try all game modes to see how I like them, but if the effort threshold reaches a certain amount, I opt for other types of content due to time constraints and a general desire to relax while I play. The new strike mission took half an hour for my group to fill with LFG the second day after release, and the mission itself took four attempts before we finally defeated the boss.

    My concern is two-part:

    • the mission barely filled up this close to release, so what will the numbers look like as we get further out?
    • much of my group content experience over the past 6+ years tells me that few people will stay with a group through 4 attempts at instanced content, particularly once they've already gotten their achievements from it

    I was able to get my credit for this meta, but it's going to get much more difficult for people who attempt it later on, to the point where casual players may not even bother. This is the sort of thing that I hope gets looked at when the team is deciding which things to put in the meta achievements, and it's going to be a point of contention if this is the new model going forward.

    Well there was a reason for that only people who finished the story could search for strike mission at the start, they changed that.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lindoniel.1726 said:
    "No, all that i ask is that anet keep doing what they have done which is give enough achievements for some to be omitted. Something they have done very well up until now, and i hope this isnt the new standard."

    This. I want to be able to get the meta achievement wihtout doing several achievements in strike missions . Why is there such a low variety this time? It´s basically: "do this event 20 x" or "do not get hit by x in strike mission x". :p

    All those are there to pad the space and make it seem there's a lot more things to do than it really is. Unfortunately, it is being done at the expense of players' enjoyment.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Raknar.4735 said:
    Yeah, strike missions are needed for the meta achievement.
    Don't worry though, while the boneskinner and the new SM are both rather hard for someone that didn't raid before, the Fraenir and the 2 Kodans are doable.

    I'd suggest not using the public join, try to find a group via the lfg for Fraenir (currently available) / Kodans. They don't really need a special composition, and most groups don't ask for any special proffs. (I do implore you to at least take a look at a good damage build for your proffession)

    You can skip Boneskinner / New SM, there are more achievs available than needed.

    I do however think it is strange that, while SM achievements are needed, the Drakkar achievements don't belong to the map's meta achievement.

    Drakkar is treated the same such ad tt and tq, they have their own achieves tab.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Simply because raiders can do it doesnt mean its raider content, yes its harder than most ow content but taking context into acount it makes sense why its harder.

    The kp is simply a pit anet dug for themselves a while back, ive seen pugs do it tho.

  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Raknar.4735 said:
    Yeah, strike missions are needed for the meta achievement.
    Don't worry though, while the boneskinner and the new SM are both rather hard for someone that didn't raid before, the Fraenir and the 2 Kodans are doable.

    I'd suggest not using the public join, try to find a group via the lfg for Fraenir (currently available) / Kodans. They don't really need a special composition, and most groups don't ask for any special proffs. (I do implore you to at least take a look at a good damage build for your proffession)

    You can skip Boneskinner / New SM, there are more achievs available than needed.

    I do however think it is strange that, while SM achievements are needed, the Drakkar achievements don't belong to the map's meta achievement.

    Drakkar is treated the same such ad tt and tq, they have their own achieves tab.

    It is still strange to me, that the actual world boss of the LS that also appears in the story is not included in the achievements, while SMs of the last LS are integrated into the meta achievement.

    You have a heart of gold. Don't let them take it from you. Umbasa.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vayne.8563 said:
    I strongly disagree with this. Strike missions are so far out of people's comfort zones and no other meta has asked us to group with 9 other people to finish it. If that's your choice of playstyle that's fine, but open world content can encourage people to try out stuff they normally wouldn't play but it shouldn't penalize them for not wanting to.

    There's nothing that says the achievements for any given release are "Open World" only. The achievements have always represented a mastery of all ends of the content provided in a single release. They have often included a wide variety of activities that don't always suit everyone's tastes and abilities.
    One person may not have the skill or desire to take part in a Strike Mission. Another person may not possess the patience or desire to complete "Storyteller of Orr". This has always been the case.
    Some players are locked out of meta achievements by Jumping Puzzles. But don't tell me you don't need a JP to complete S3.2.
    Sure, strike missions are out of many people's comfort zones. Jumping Puzzles are out of many people's comfort zones. Repeating Story missions for achievements but zero rewards is also out of many player's comfort zones.

    Your problem is only that this time it went out of your comfort zone.

    Let the 10 man instanced content have it's own rewards. Don't change the game at this point to require us to do ten man content and yes, I have some of those achievements from the strike. This isn't about my personal preferences. This is about fundamentally changing the game on people who liked it the way it was.

    Migraine is a similar achievement. Why are you drawing an arbitrary line of acceptable content for meta achievements just because one takes 5 people and one takes 10?
    The game hasn't been changed. Achievements haven't changed. You've just drawn a selected line in the sand based on your personal preference of content.
    I see no reason why the developers should suddenly change course to suit this kind of entitlement.