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@ANet: Please Unhide Nimble Onslaught Achievement

Context: Nimble Onslaught was removed in today's patch and replaced with Truly Nimble Onslaught. Old achievement is now missing if you hadn't already finished it.

AP hunting is a major part of why I play GW2, and generally speaking I focus on other areas of the game than LW because LW achievements are always there for me to get... Usually. The Nimble Onslaught achievement being removed _**without notification **_in this patch is a really big hit for that given the fact that to-date I have never missed a LW achievement across all expansions and all LW seasons.

As I understand from other threads, there was some exploit that caused an issue here that has since been addressed. Regardless, in the past cases where this has been a problem (ie. W4 Raid CMs), the old achievement has been left in while the new achievement was added. This is the right approach here so that no one misses that AP even if they get to it later.

I'd really like it if ANet would add it back. There is zero logical reason to remove the old achievement and make it unobtainable.

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  • Leablo.2651Leablo.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    As I previously intimated in another topic... we are seeing some old-fashioned player-hostile choices making their way back into the game. Removal of AP without advance warning to players and having those points forever lost to them is something I haven't seen since 2014. Was it coincidence that the creation of unobtainable historical AP has been frozen for the past 5 years, or did Anet only recently forget that it was something to be avoided?

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    AP hunters who somehow didn't finish the drakkar meta in 2 weeks. I don't even know if they removed the 5 AP or if you didn't get 5 AP for the 2nd if you already got the 5 AP before. I and 10,000 other non AP hunters got that achieve somehow

  • Kunzaito.8169Kunzaito.8169 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2020

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    AP hunters who somehow didn't finish the drakkar meta in 2 weeks. I don't even know if they removed the 5 AP or if you didn't get 5 AP for the 2nd if you already got the 5 AP before. I and 10,000 other non AP hunters got that achieve somehow

    Like me? I would describe myself as an "AP hunter" - nearly 38k. I've had other things I wanted to do during my play time the past couple of weeks. I did finish the meta once or twice but not with credit for this achievement. Not everyone does or can accomplish everything right away.

    Anyway, I agree with the OP - the right approach would be to either allow people to obtain both, or to either/or the AP and grant the same rewards for completion of either achievement. Removing an achievement but allowing the points to be kept with no warning after years of avoiding that design is an unfriendly step back, especially with such a small window to get the original AP, and I hope they change this decision.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Removal of AP is something i don't like
    But compared to LS1 and everything before that, I'm not gonna split hairs over a single leaf in the whole jungle that was once removed

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  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leablo.2651 said:
    As I previously intimated in another topic... we are seeing some old-fashioned player-hostile choices making their way back into the game. Removal of AP without advance warning to players and having those points forever lost to them is something I haven't seen since 2014. Was it coincidence that the creation of unobtainable historical AP has been frozen for the past 5 years, or did Anet only recently forget that it was something to be avoided?

    Is this true? I thought that at least some of that 'mystic forge researcher' stuff last year was for a limited time only? Either way, I agree, bad form to remove the ap if that is what happened. Perhaps it is like the other poster said and you only get credit for one cheeve or the other, even if you do both . . ?

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    AP hunters who somehow didn't finish the drakkar meta in 2 weeks. I don't even know if they removed the 5 AP or if you didn't get 5 AP for the 2nd if you already got the 5 AP before. I and 10,000 other non AP hunters got that achieve somehow

    Hopefully, for all our sakes, there are ap hunters to be in the world who have never even heard of gw2 yet . . .

  • Lamont.5973Lamont.5973 Member ✭✭✭

    I had gotten the achievement but was not watching my total points so I am not sure if they removed points when they hid the achievement. Either way, I am not sure how they could run the two achievements at the same time, especially since they changed some of the fight dynamics. I am usually a AP hunter and just was not watching because I was trying for so many Achieves at the same time. But if they took off the points for this particular achievement I don't think it will bother me too much as I can see why they made the changes they did.

  • Ap was not removed, if you had it before the update, you have the ap and the achievement.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Ap was not removed, if you had it before the update, you have the ap and the achievement.

    How can you tell? I mean who notices a loss of 5 AP but you also need to show you can get AP from both so someone who has it done needs to do the new one and see before a thread like this cause who knows maybe anet coded you get no new AP from the truely nimble if you got the old one

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Ap was not removed, if you had it before the update, you have the ap and the achievement.

    How can you tell? I mean who notices a loss of 5 AP but you also need to show you can get AP from both so someone who has it done needs to do the new one and see before a thread like this cause who knows maybe anet coded you get no new AP from the truely nimble if you got the old one

    My AP didn’t change after the update and I gained AP after finishing the new one.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Ap was not removed, if you had it before the update, you have the ap and the achievement.

    How can you tell? I mean who notices a loss of 5 AP but you also need to show you can get AP from both so someone who has it done needs to do the new one and see before a thread like this cause who knows maybe anet coded you get no new AP from the truely nimble if you got the old one

    My AP didn’t change after the update and I gained AP after finishing the new one.

    You argue too much for me to take that word that you know exactly your AP log on and see it's exactly the same then also see you gained 5 and noticed from your next Drakkar and are 100 percent sure so yeah be great if someone who had the old and hasn't got the new looks before Drakkar and see if it adds 5 not from memory like I'm sure your right but idk. Go fight the new people in How do normal players get meta ty

  • Leablo.2651Leablo.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gop.8713 said:

    @Leablo.2651 said:
    As I previously intimated in another topic... we are seeing some old-fashioned player-hostile choices making their way back into the game. Removal of AP without advance warning to players and having those points forever lost to them is something I haven't seen since 2014. Was it coincidence that the creation of unobtainable historical AP has been frozen for the past 5 years, or did Anet only recently forget that it was something to be avoided?

    Is this true? I thought that at least some of that 'mystic forge researcher' stuff last year was for a limited time only? Either way, I agree, bad form to remove the ap if that is what happened. Perhaps it is like the other poster said and you only get credit for one cheeve or the other, even if you do both . . ?

    They have limited availability like a festival, but are not historical as far as I know. You could still earn the same achievements when a new round of MF events were running. As long as Anet continues hosting these events in the future the AP is still available to earn.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Ap was not removed, if you had it before the update, you have the ap and the achievement.

    How can you tell? I mean who notices a loss of 5 AP but you also need to show you can get AP from both

    I log my AP with gw2gh.com, I had the achievement "Nimble Onslaught" before the patch, and my total AP was not reduced after the patch.

    And when you look at the API data: https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/achievements?ids=5147,5148

    Achievement 5147 (Nimble Onslaught) gives 5 AP and achievement 5148 (Truly Nimble Onslaught) gives 5 AP.

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  • @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Ap was not removed, if you had it before the update, you have the ap and the achievement.

    How can you tell? I mean who notices a loss of 5 AP but you also need to show you can get AP from both so someone who has it done needs to do the new one and see before a thread like this cause who knows maybe anet coded you get no new AP from the truely nimble if you got the old one

    When you are ap farmer in the top 10, you notice these things.

  • Also, the Devs would not remove the 5 AP because that would cause some players to be able to receive Achievement Reward Chests more than once.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Ap was not removed, if you had it before the update, you have the ap and the achievement.

    How can you tell? I mean who notices a loss of 5 AP but you also need to show you can get AP from both so someone who has it done needs to do the new one and see before a thread like this cause who knows maybe anet coded you get no new AP from the truely nimble if you got the old one

    When you are ap farmer in the top 10, you notice these things.

    I actually believe that and if you are up there you are also starved for AP so you would of got any new ones within these 2 weeks and now have gotten both nimble but I guess in this small percentile I can see missing out on 5 AP could matter.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Also, the Devs would not remove the 5 AP because that would cause some players to be able to receive Achievement Reward Chests more than once.

    It doesn't work like that - or at least it didn't for a very long time already. Otherwise i'd be getting chests every time HoM achieves get bugged again (which still happens quite frequently).

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2020

    I simply loathe the devs for doing this. Why not have BOTH versions available?

    It is very anti everything they talked about learning about Living World 1 and making sure content developed would always be available to play in the future.

  • Jojo.6140Jojo.6140 Member ✭✭✭

    Instead of making the old one available again, i'd rather have them remove the new one aswell. When i did Drakkar today, there were like 15-20 people afking up on the ledge. I dont think we need more achies that encourage such behaviour :/

  • Liston.9708Liston.9708 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jojo.6140 said:
    Instead of making the old one available again, i'd rather have them remove the new one aswell. When i did Drakkar today, there were like 15-20 people afking up on the ledge. I dont think we need more achies that encourage such behaviour :/

    And it is so easy if you range it now anyway.... Ledge leeches need to be locked out of achieves and rewards. They fixed the mount issue, but not this....

  • Is it living world 1 again ? 5 AP available during 2 weeks only, without warning, not cool.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leablo.2651 said:

    @Gop.8713 said:

    @Leablo.2651 said:
    As I previously intimated in another topic... we are seeing some old-fashioned player-hostile choices making their way back into the game. Removal of AP without advance warning to players and having those points forever lost to them is something I haven't seen since 2014. Was it coincidence that the creation of unobtainable historical AP has been frozen for the past 5 years, or did Anet only recently forget that it was something to be avoided?

    Is this true? I thought that at least some of that 'mystic forge researcher' stuff last year was for a limited time only? Either way, I agree, bad form to remove the ap if that is what happened. Perhaps it is like the other poster said and you only get credit for one cheeve or the other, even if you do both . . ?

    They have limited availability like a festival, but are not historical as far as I know. You could still earn the same achievements when a new round of MF events were running. As long as Anet continues hosting these events in the future the AP is still available to earn.

    Oh, kk. I was under the impression that they were done with that content, did not realize it was returning . . .

  • Yeah... just put it back in ANet, please. I mean, neither version was hard to cheese, just afk on the ledge.... I'm sure hundreds if not thousands of players got this one without knowing what they were doing. Removing this achievement is only rewarding its faulty design - add it back in and for the next release, be a little more sensitive about the mechanics involved =)

  • gert.7698gert.7698 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2020

    I'm an AP hunter, but didn't had time to do the achievment last 2 weeks. This is NOT oke. Pls give us get the chance to get both achievements. What a joke.......... really FIX THIS.....

  • MikeG.6389MikeG.6389 Member ✭✭✭

    Guys, we are talking about 5 points from an episode that added 300 to the game. (250 in the story journal + 50 in the rare collections)
    It's half a daily. You'll live.

  • Well, I won't play a game when they punish AP hunters, who don't finish all the new content 2 weeks after a big update (1 new episode, 1 new world boss, etc.). I say "all the new content" because there was no way to know which achievement will be deleted, and no way to know there would be an achievement deleted !
    It's not about the amount of AP, it could be 1 AP, it would be the same problem for me.
    They make AP a big part of the game, and now they delete a way to gain a few AP like it's nothing. I'm sure there is a simple way to address this without punishing late players. But they chose this way, who thought it was a good idea ?
    Sure I'm overreacting, but it's not the only mistake we can find, and this one is too much for me.

  • @MikeG.6389 said:
    Guys, we are talking about 5 points from an episode that added 300 to the game. (250 in the story journal + 50 in the rare collections)
    It's half a daily. You'll live.

    And here it is, the one response worth reading! Glad I'm not the only reading this saying, "Seriously?!"

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  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2020

    @Julian.9473 said:
    Well, I won't play a game when they punish AP hunters, who don't finish all the new content 2 weeks after a big update (1 new episode, 1 new world boss, etc.). I say "all the new content" because there was no way to know which achievement will be deleted, and no way to know there would be an achievement deleted !
    It's not about the amount of AP, it could be 1 AP, it would be the same problem for me.
    They make AP a big part of the game, and now they delete a way to gain a few AP like it's nothing. I'm sure there is a simple way to address this without punishing late players. But they chose this way, who thought it was a good idea ?
    Sure I'm overreacting, but it's not the only mistake we can find, and this one is too much for me.

    So you got 41kish? You got all pvp wvw ones done? You legit farmed crab toss keg brawl survivor sanctum sprint for those ap? You got all the raids? I mean if you one of those guys then yeah be upset. But if you aren't and quit over that then you were just looking for a reason to quit. Anet could even fix this. I just finished Drakk with 19 stacks not being a lookie loo cheat ledge dude so if say you finish with 13 or more stacks you would proc the old one you missed. But they need to only put the counter if you are down fighting the kitten thing from beginning to end alive not like now.

  • gert.7698gert.7698 Member ✭✭✭

    @MikeG.6389 said:
    Guys, we are talking about 5 points from an episode that added 300 to the game. (250 in the story journal + 50 in the rare collections)
    It's half a daily. You'll live.

    It might not be important to you, but it is clearly important to others .. My end game is hunting AP. For me this is an important thing ... Everyone plays the (end) game the way they want, my goal is to hunt AP ...

    So this is an important issue for AP hunters. I'm at a point where I have to put a lot of effort to get 1 AP, so for me 5 AP is a big difference.

    This is demotivating.

  • gert.7698gert.7698 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Julian.9473 said:
    Well, I won't play a game when they punish AP hunters, who don't finish all the new content 2 weeks after a big update (1 new episode, 1 new world boss, etc.). I say "all the new content" because there was no way to know which achievement will be deleted, and no way to know there would be an achievement deleted !
    It's not about the amount of AP, it could be 1 AP, it would be the same problem for me.
    They make AP a big part of the game, and now they delete a way to gain a few AP like it's nothing. I'm sure there is a simple way to address this without punishing late players. But they chose this way, who thought it was a good idea ?
    Sure I'm overreacting, but it's not the only mistake we can find, and this one is too much for me.

    So you got 41kish? You got all pvp wvw ones done? You legit farmed crab toss keg brawl survivor sanctum sprint for those ap? You got all the raids? I mean if you one of those guys then yeah be upset. But if you aren't and quit over that then you were just looking for a reason to quit. Anet could even fix this. I just finished Drakk with 19 stacks not being a lookie loo cheat ledge dude so if say you finish with 13 or more stacks you would proc the old one you missed. But they need to only put the counter if you are down fighting the kitten thing from beginning to end alive not like now.

    It is not because this is not important to you that it cannot be important to me. Everyone has their own priorities and plays the game the way they want.

  • MikeG.6389MikeG.6389 Member ✭✭✭

    @gert.7698 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:
    Guys, we are talking about 5 points from an episode that added 300 to the game. (250 in the story journal + 50 in the rare collections)
    It's half a daily. You'll live.

    It might not be important to you, but it is clearly important to others .. My end game is hunting AP. For me this is an important thing ... Everyone plays the (end) game the way they want, my goal is to hunt AP ...

    So this is an important issue for AP hunters. I'm at a point where I have to put a lot of effort to get 1 AP, so for me 5 AP is a big difference.

    This is demotivating.

    APs are an important incentive for me, too. Clearly, not as important as they are for you, and I am more than happy to give back the 5 AP I got from this if it makes you and people like you happy. It's still only kitten 5 points. (I actually typed kitten, btw.)

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @gert.7698 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:
    Guys, we are talking about 5 points from an episode that added 300 to the game. (250 in the story journal + 50 in the rare collections)
    It's half a daily. You'll live.

    It might not be important to you, but it is clearly important to others .. My end game is hunting AP. For me this is an important thing ... Everyone plays the (end) game the way they want, my goal is to hunt AP ...

    So this is an important issue for AP hunters. I'm at a point where I have to put a lot of effort to get 1 AP, so for me 5 AP is a big difference.

    This is demotivating.

    Didn't say it wasn't important to me. Just no way would I quit or get super upset over 5 AP. How many AP you have? I have 31k and took 4 years off. I can't go get those festivals yearly back etc and I have a lot still undone. If you call yourself an AP hunter means you got most stuff done. If your like me and have a lot left to do and no where near the top of a win nothing leaderboard then why quit. Esp when Anet could fix it with my easy solution. You get these dudes up at the top probably got 3 ap from all the black lion weapon sets. The did every precursor collection 1-4 for those Ap. It means they have a ton time/gold invested and again if your one of those guys be upset. If you sitting at 26k no where near the win nothing leaderboard then it's just 5 AP

  • @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    I simply loathe the devs for doing this. Why not have BOTH versions available?

    This is exactly my opinion. Just like W4 CM achievements, they should have both versions available. The fact that they hid the old achievement not only makes no sense, it's downright player-hostile. Even if they were dead-set on removing it, some kind of advance notification so I could get it real fast before the patch would have at least helped the AP collecting veterans still holding on. But no, we didn't get even that.

    Valor Zeal [VZ] - Stormbluff Isle