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So mirage loses a dodge as tradeoff

Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

Time to revert EM to original state until you decide to change the tradeoff.

EM could mean no new dodge for 16 secs...

Unacceptable

Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
My Daredevil build after the big patch

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  • Zephoid.4263Zephoid.4263 Member ✭✭✭

    Elusive Mind: This trait no longer stunbreaks or inflicts exhaustion. Increased the number of conditions cleansed from 1 to 3 in PvE, and to 2 in PvP and WvW.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2020

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    Elusive Mind: This trait no longer stunbreaks or inflicts exhaustion. Increased the number of conditions cleansed from 1 to 3 in PvE, and to 2 in PvP and WvW.

    Forgot about the global changes.

    Thanks for the reminder

    Worthless gm

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    My Daredevil build after the big patch

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2020

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    Time to revert EM to original state until you decide to change the tradeoff.

    EM could mean no new dodge for 16 secs...

    Unacceptable

    first of all, stop pretending you care.
    sec of all, read patch notes.
    third of all, delete this post becouse its pointless

    I care cause I play core mesmer.

    I mean it won't affect me, but I'm not so anti messaging, as I am anti mirage as designed.

    Forgot about the global change. So dodge 2 clear 2 condos in pvp every 10 secs.

    Such powerful gm trait

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    My Daredevil build after the big patch

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    Time to revert EM to original state until you decide to change the tradeoff.

    EM could mean no new dodge for 16 secs...

    Unacceptable

    first of all, stop pretending you care.
    sec of all, read patch notes.
    third of all, delete this post becouse its pointless

    I care cause I play core mesmer.

    I mean it won't affect me, but I'm not so anti messaging, as I am anti mirage as designed.

    Forgot about the global change. So dodge 2 clear 2 condos in pvp every 10 secs.

    Such powerful gm trait

    im going to assume its sarcasm.
    for mesmer its progress.
    LT was removed
    CI was removed
    bleed on dodge got removed ( I actually played it over IH on my axe mirage PepeHands, i knew it wasnt good )
    this time its progress, they changed the trait from so kitten bad its better to have no trait that have this piece of kitten, into -> this trait is very kitten bad but if you are drunk and take it by mistake its not so bad that you might as well afk and can kind of contribute.

  • Zephoid.4263Zephoid.4263 Member ✭✭✭

    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    Time to revert EM to original state until you decide to change the tradeoff.

    EM could mean no new dodge for 16 secs...

    Unacceptable

    first of all, stop pretending you care.
    sec of all, read patch notes.
    third of all, delete this post becouse its pointless

    I care cause I play core mesmer.

    I mean it won't affect me, but I'm not so anti messaging, as I am anti mirage as designed.

    Forgot about the global change. So dodge 2 clear 2 condos in pvp every 10 secs.

    Such powerful gm trait

    im going to assume its sarcasm.
    for mesmer its progress.
    LT was removed
    CI was removed
    bleed on dodge got removed ( I actually played it over IH on my axe mirage PepeHands, i knew it wasnt good )
    this time its progress, they changed the trait from so kitten bad its better to have no trait that have this piece of kitten, into -> this trait is very kitten bad but if you are drunk and take it by mistake its not so bad that you might as well afk and can kind of contribute.

    Well, I was just saying with only 1 dodge of em would be fine.

    I even suggested when I heard about the dodge reduction that they let EM grant 50 more endurance.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    My Daredevil build after the big patch

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

    this is GM trait and should be treated as such.
    compare it to escapist fort on thief, that realistically will not only proc more often, but also heal, but also is not a freaking grandmaster.

  • Zephoid.4263Zephoid.4263 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

    this is GM trait and should be treated as such.
    compare it to escapist fort on thief, that realistically will not only proc more often, but also heal, but also is not a freaking grandmaster.

    Better to compare it with DH Hunter's Fortification. DH has very few ways to proc aegis, even fewer on a reasonable cd. Having no conditions isn't something that happens in PVP very often, with even power abilities inflicting conditions. It is pretty much only useful with weapon skills that conditionally block attacks (shield 5, sword 3), but even then has an ICD so it itsn't procing much.
    There are a LOT of bad GM traits, this isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel. Again, IH is so overloaded that it almost doesn't matter what you made this, its not going to be taken all that often.

  • @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    Time to revert EM to original state until you decide to change the tradeoff.

    EM could mean no new dodge for 16 secs...

    Unacceptable

    first of all, stop pretending you care.
    sec of all, read patch notes.
    third of all, delete this post becouse its pointless

    I'm pretty sure the patch notes say one dodge mirage is happening. Just scrap the stupid class and start over already....

  • its ok, all mes has to have is a stick and it will still have an op build. they have been removing mes builds from the game for some time now, and each and every time a new op one pops up and everyone hates it. its kind of funny if you don't think about it too long. so my suggestion is to not think about it. its ok if core is better then the expacs, I mean who the hell decided players should have build options? its easier to balance if theres only one class with one build which is where this kitten game is headed.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zephoid.4263 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

    this is GM trait and should be treated as such.
    compare it to escapist fort on thief, that realistically will not only proc more often, but also heal, but also is not a freaking grandmaster.

    Better to compare it with DH Hunter's Fortification. DH has very few ways to proc aegis, even fewer on a reasonable cd. Having no conditions isn't something that happens in PVP very often, with even power abilities inflicting conditions. It is pretty much only useful with weapon skills that conditionally block attacks (shield 5, sword 3), but even then has an ICD so it itsn't procing much.
    There are a LOT of bad GM traits, this isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel. Again, IH is so overloaded that it almost doesn't matter what you made this, its not going to be taken all that often.

    By comparing IH to other especs GM you are missing the point.
    Mirage gives almost nothing as a espec without IH.
    do you srsl thing that using ambush after dodge 1s channel to deal 1,8k dmg is a worthy espec mechanic?
    Without IH mirage is one of the weakest if no THE espec mechanics in the game.
    Mirage ALSO pays 2 traits to gets its "mirage cloak" more then any other espec.
    Meaning other specs get 1 extra trait, and its usually REALLY good and fits the spec.
    DH gets 5-15% dmg.
    holo gets extra holo dmg depending on heat.
    SPB resets f1 skills and gets 200+ power and ferocity
    reaper gets + 20% chill duration and +10% dmg against chilled targets.
    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

    this is GM trait and should be treated as such.
    compare it to escapist fort on thief, that realistically will not only proc more often, but also heal, but also is not a freaking grandmaster.

    Better to compare it with DH Hunter's Fortification. DH has very few ways to proc aegis, even fewer on a reasonable cd. Having no conditions isn't something that happens in PVP very often, with even power abilities inflicting conditions. It is pretty much only useful with weapon skills that conditionally block attacks (shield 5, sword 3), but even then has an ICD so it itsn't procing much.
    There are a LOT of bad GM traits, this isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel. Again, IH is so overloaded that it almost doesn't matter what you made this, its not going to be taken all that often.

    By comparing IH to other especs GM you are missing the point.
    Mirage gives almost nothing as a espec without IH.
    do you srsl thing that using ambush after dodge 1s channel to deal 1,8k dmg is a worthy espec mechanic?
    Without IH mirage is one of the weakest if no THE espec mechanics in the game.
    Mirage ALSO pays 2 traits to gets its "mirage cloak" more then any other espec.
    Meaning other specs get 1 extra trait, and its usually REALLY good and fits the spec.
    DH gets 5-15% dmg.
    holo gets extra holo dmg depending on heat.
    SPB resets f1 skills and gets 200+ power and ferocity
    reaper gets + 20% chill duration and +10% dmg against chilled targets.
    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

    OP is a mesmer hater, pointed that out earlier. So in his defense he made this thread ?

    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

    That must have been in the same trait that comes with MC, not separately. IH should have been minor grandmaster trait because how they nerfed everything in mind that IH is always used. Without IH mirage is trash, for real, everyone could play without IH because shatters were strong and worth using. Now shatters are worthless and to do any damage everyone went for IH. But even main mesmer ambushes are pathetic without IH.
    E-spec that must burn his evades to do damage and revolve around evading have 1 dodge. Daredevil somewhere in the corner dying from laughter with 3 evades. Well played.
    P.S grandmaster minor or chrono and new "lost time trait" and current chrono state. Smitersbooned into oblivion

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2020

    Even IH is garbage if you compare it with other professions similar traits.
    There is 0 reason to play mesmer.

    The degenerate

  • Tharan.9085Tharan.9085 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

    this is GM trait and should be treated as such.
    compare it to escapist fort on thief, that realistically will not only proc more often, but also heal, but also is not a freaking grandmaster.

    Better to compare it with DH Hunter's Fortification. DH has very few ways to proc aegis, even fewer on a reasonable cd. Having no conditions isn't something that happens in PVP very often, with even power abilities inflicting conditions. It is pretty much only useful with weapon skills that conditionally block attacks (shield 5, sword 3), but even then has an ICD so it itsn't procing much.
    There are a LOT of bad GM traits, this isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel. Again, IH is so overloaded that it almost doesn't matter what you made this, its not going to be taken all that often.

    By comparing IH to other especs GM you are missing the point.
    Mirage gives almost nothing as a espec without IH.
    do you srsl thing that using ambush after dodge 1s channel to deal 1,8k dmg is a worthy espec mechanic?
    Without IH mirage is one of the weakest if no THE espec mechanics in the game.
    Mirage ALSO pays 2 traits to gets its "mirage cloak" more then any other espec.
    Meaning other specs get 1 extra trait, and its usually REALLY good and fits the spec.
    DH gets 5-15% dmg.
    holo gets extra holo dmg depending on heat.
    SPB resets f1 skills and gets 200+ power and ferocity
    reaper gets + 20% chill duration and +10% dmg against chilled targets.
    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

    Mirage gets dodging while casting and beeing cced which is just stupid

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2020

    Imagine spending your whole dodge bar to cleanse 2 conditions.

    That's the perfect place to put a vigor buff so they can hit the cap for dodging more frequently.

    [Charr Noises]
    [I play every class!]
    [Fight me in the arena anytime!]

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:
    Imagine spending your whole dodge bar to cleanse 2 conditions.

    That's the perfect place to put a vigor buff so they can hit the cap for dodging more frequently.

    diut, it also gives regen. and movespeed, dis is so broken wot

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

    this is GM trait and should be treated as such.
    compare it to escapist fort on thief, that realistically will not only proc more often, but also heal, but also is not a freaking grandmaster.

    Better to compare it with DH Hunter's Fortification. DH has very few ways to proc aegis, even fewer on a reasonable cd. Having no conditions isn't something that happens in PVP very often, with even power abilities inflicting conditions. It is pretty much only useful with weapon skills that conditionally block attacks (shield 5, sword 3), but even then has an ICD so it itsn't procing much.
    There are a LOT of bad GM traits, this isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel. Again, IH is so overloaded that it almost doesn't matter what you made this, its not going to be taken all that often.

    By comparing IH to other especs GM you are missing the point.
    Mirage gives almost nothing as a espec without IH.
    do you srsl thing that using ambush after dodge 1s channel to deal 1,8k dmg is a worthy espec mechanic?
    Without IH mirage is one of the weakest if no THE espec mechanics in the game.
    Mirage ALSO pays 2 traits to gets its "mirage cloak" more then any other espec.
    Meaning other specs get 1 extra trait, and its usually REALLY good and fits the spec.
    DH gets 5-15% dmg.
    holo gets extra holo dmg depending on heat.
    SPB resets f1 skills and gets 200+ power and ferocity
    reaper gets + 20% chill duration and +10% dmg against chilled targets.
    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

    OP is a mesmer hater, pointed that out earlier. So in his defense he made this thread ?

    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

    That must have been in the same trait that comes with MC, not separately. IH should have been minor grandmaster trait because how they nerfed everything in mind that IH is always used. Without IH mirage is trash, for real, everyone could play without IH because shatters were strong and worth using. Now shatters are worthless and to do any damage everyone went for IH. But even main mesmer ambushes are pathetic without IH.
    E-spec that must burn his evades to do damage and revolve around evading have 1 dodge. Daredevil somewhere in the corner dying from laughter with 3 evades. Well played.
    P.S grandmaster minor or chrono and new "lost time trait" and current chrono state. Smitersbooned into oblivion

    Not a mesmer hater.

    Mirage hater.

    I'm very happy that most clowns will stop playing it now.

    I typed this with my feet because I am clapping so hard to celebrate.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    My Daredevil build after the big patch

  • @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

    does it? Or maybe just maybe warriors are unwilling to change their build to utterly stonewall condimes ?
    are you one of those warriors that use 100% metabattle SPB even against 5 condi builds and pretend that its your weakness? all the while wearing toughness amulet to boot?

  • Ghostof Luzifer.6159Ghostof Luzifer.6159 Member ✭✭
    edited February 15, 2020

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

    does it? Or maybe just maybe warriors are unwilling to change their build to utterly stonewall condimes ?
    are you one of those warriors that use 100% metabattle SPB even against 5 condi builds and pretend that its your weakness? all the while wearing toughness amulet to boot?

    my point was that you can list trait interactions of other classes all day long, it wont change the fact that the concept of mirage is in and of itself very strong. For example through clones mirage gets a lot of passive damage. A warrior is good example of the opposite, the class doesnt have passive damage. You have to come close to your enemy to be able to do dmg. This disadvantage alone allows for stronger dmg modifiers for example. In addition war skills are heavily telegraphed etc etc. Dont get me wrong war is op aswell but since it also gets nerfed I dont see your problem..

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

    does it? Or maybe just maybe warriors are unwilling to change their build to utterly stonewall condimes ?
    are you one of those warriors that use 100% metabattle SPB even against 5 condi builds and pretend that its your weakness? all the while wearing toughness amulet to boot?

    my point was that you can list trait interactions of other classes all day long, it wont change the fact that the concept of mirage is in and of itself very strong. For example through clones mirage gets a lot of passive damage. A warrior is good example of the opposite, the class doesnt have passive damage. You have to come close to your enemy to be able to do dmg. This disadvantage alone allows for stronger dmg modifiers for example. In addition war skills are heavily telegraphed etc etc. Dont get me wrong war is op aswell but since it also gets nerfed I dont see your problem..

    And you missed the fact that clones swing both ways, clones do indeed add passive damage. But they also generate resources to the oponent.
    warrior gets power, ferocity, might, healing, adrenaline, endurance from them.
    necro gets lifeforce, rev gets energy
    and so on and so forth.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2020

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Zephoid.4263 said:
    In most other classes, cleansing 2 condis every 10s on demand would seem reasonable. Effectively guard's lesser smite condition on a shorter cd. That IH is such an overloaded skill means that EM probably won't get taken all that much (though i do expect the meta to shift more to condi).

    this is GM trait and should be treated as such.
    compare it to escapist fort on thief, that realistically will not only proc more often, but also heal, but also is not a freaking grandmaster.

    Better to compare it with DH Hunter's Fortification. DH has very few ways to proc aegis, even fewer on a reasonable cd. Having no conditions isn't something that happens in PVP very often, with even power abilities inflicting conditions. It is pretty much only useful with weapon skills that conditionally block attacks (shield 5, sword 3), but even then has an ICD so it itsn't procing much.
    There are a LOT of bad GM traits, this isn't even close to the bottom of the barrel. Again, IH is so overloaded that it almost doesn't matter what you made this, its not going to be taken all that often.

    By comparing IH to other especs GM you are missing the point.
    Mirage gives almost nothing as a espec without IH.
    do you srsl thing that using ambush after dodge 1s channel to deal 1,8k dmg is a worthy espec mechanic?
    Without IH mirage is one of the weakest if no THE espec mechanics in the game.
    Mirage ALSO pays 2 traits to gets its "mirage cloak" more then any other espec.
    Meaning other specs get 1 extra trait, and its usually REALLY good and fits the spec.
    DH gets 5-15% dmg.
    holo gets extra holo dmg depending on heat.
    SPB resets f1 skills and gets 200+ power and ferocity
    reaper gets + 20% chill duration and +10% dmg against chilled targets.
    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

    OP is a mesmer hater, pointed that out earlier. So in his defense he made this thread ?

    etc etc, all VERY good and impactfull traits, mirage gets Movespeed during dodge. Big xd

    That must have been in the same trait that comes with MC, not separately. IH should have been minor grandmaster trait because how they nerfed everything in mind that IH is always used. Without IH mirage is trash, for real, everyone could play without IH because shatters were strong and worth using. Now shatters are worthless and to do any damage everyone went for IH. But even main mesmer ambushes are pathetic without IH.
    E-spec that must burn his evades to do damage and revolve around evading have 1 dodge. Daredevil somewhere in the corner dying from laughter with 3 evades. Well played.
    P.S grandmaster minor or chrono and new "lost time trait" and current chrono state. Smitersbooned into oblivion

    I'm a Mesmer hater.

    Mesmer hater*. Especially noticed it by your comments about chrono.

    I'm very happy that most clowns will stop playing it now.

    Clowns ? You are mistaken, all clowns are playing thief now

    I typed this with my feet because I am clapping so hard to celebrate.

    I'm glad that at least something good happen in your life

  • @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

    Maybe I'm not enough of an expert at PvP, but I don't think this is accurate at all.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

    Maybe I'm not enough of an expert at PvP, but I don't think this is accurate at all.

    "Meta" staff condi mirage bets meta SPB
    but the thing is, if spb switches utility and traits he can no loger lose 1v1, and due to disort and being forced to kite mesmer loses node over time
    all the while being still worse in teamfights and less mobile.

  • viquing.8254viquing.8254 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

    Maybe I'm not enough of an expert at PvP, but I don't think this is accurate at all.

    "Meta" staff condi mirage bets meta SPB
    but the thing is, if spb switches utility and traits he can no loger lose 1v1, and due to disort and being forced to kite mesmer loses node over time
    all the while being still worse in teamfights and less mobile.

    It takes 30 sec to more than 3 minutes depending of the SPB and mirage can't fight him on point mean that he will decap/cap.
    Note that he can also run away when he has too little CD and good luck chasing a SPB with a condi mirage...

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @viquing.8254 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    and yet mirage trashes a war.. hm i wonder why?

    Maybe I'm not enough of an expert at PvP, but I don't think this is accurate at all.

    "Meta" staff condi mirage bets meta SPB
    but the thing is, if spb switches utility and traits he can no loger lose 1v1, and due to disort and being forced to kite mesmer loses node over time
    all the while being still worse in teamfights and less mobile.

    It takes 30 sec to more than 3 minutes depending of the SPB and mirage can't fight him on point mean that he will decap/cap.
    Note that he can also run away when he has too little CD and good luck chasing a SPB with a condi mirage...

    I know ;p only the spb that used metabattle build only 0 variation complain.
    meanwhile even If I know im against spb only, take undead runes and rabid, on staff with permaprot I still lose when I make couple mistakes close to eachother,
    meanwhile spb that adopts his build cant die as long as he knows what his buttons do more or less.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Mesmer is one of warriors hard counters as thief is to mes. A good med shouldn't lose to a warrior.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Mesmer is one of warriors hard counters as thief is to mes. A good med shouldn't lose to a warrior.

    A good condi staff mesmer shouldnt lose to meta SPB.
    the moment SPB switches to anticondi he most definitely beats or at the very least stonewalls the 1v1.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If with shake it offer's two charges, heal sign's resistance and brawlers recovery the condi still wreck a warrior fast all while being very hard to hit.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Oh and more mirage nerfs pls
    Almost forgot:) lol

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2020

    post deleted /shrug

  • @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    Oh, and mirage gets two teleports!
    An evade tied to an invuln, how OP is that?
    Target break teleport, which is also an invuln.
    A great healing ability, which is also an invuln!
    Insane confusion burst on a utility skill.

    See how pointless this is? I can make any spec, on any class look overpowered by just listing kitten.

    Mirage gets more baseline than almost any other spec out there (with maybe the exception of Firebrand and Holo) but even then, it's competing.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    Oh, and mirage gets two teleports!
    An evade tied to an invuln, how OP is that?
    Target break teleport, which is also an invuln.
    A great healing ability, which is also an invuln!
    Insane confusion burst on a utility skill.

    See how pointless this is? I can make any spec, on any class look overpowered by just listing kitten.

    Mirage gets more baseline than almost any other spec out there (with maybe the exception of Firebrand and Holo) but even then, it's competing.

    Mirage doesnt get any of these. Mirage can sacrafice utilities to get those things.
    SPB doesnt have to give up any utilities to get immob as a passive.
    Nor does it have to sacrafice its heroic to get pulsing might, reveal, damage boost and pull.
    I explain what miage tree does and what spb tree does.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    Oh, and mirage gets two teleports!
    An evade tied to an invuln, how OP is that?
    Target break teleport, which is also an invuln.
    A great healing ability, which is also an invuln!
    Insane confusion burst on a utility skill.
    See how pointless this is? I can make any spec, on any class look overpowered by just listing kitten.

    What I see from his post its only from spellbreaker traitlines of meta build.
    What you are doing over-exaggerating (by calling an evade = invul and overblowing value of trash utility skill) and going after everything mirage gets (weapons/utlity/elite) Daddy, chill

    Mirage gets more baseline than almost any other spec out there (with maybe the exception of Firebrand and Holo) but even then, it's competing.

    You better to remember what daredevil gets baseline, it would be the class that get the most (on part with FB/holo).
    Dont think that mirage gets the most, these are miles away, what the point? Mirage is about to get deleted :D

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    @Tharan.9085
    SPB
    gets boon removal, damage boost, extra stats pulsing reveal, pull, immob, unblockable aoe daze, resets the cooldowns of his F1, and damage on boon removal.
    its just stupid :D

    Oh, and mirage gets two teleports!
    An evade tied to an invuln, how OP is that?
    Target break teleport, which is also an invuln.
    A great healing ability, which is also an invuln!
    Insane confusion burst on a utility skill.

    See how pointless this is? I can make any spec, on any class look overpowered by just listing kitten.

    Mirage gets more baseline than almost any other spec out there (with maybe the exception of Firebrand and Holo) but even then, it's competing.

    You keep saying "invuln' and you don't know what invuln even means.

  • viquing.8254viquing.8254 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2020

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Mesmer is one of warriors hard counters as thief is to mes. A good med shouldn't lose to a warrior.

    Have you look at misha vs dro duel ?
    Mean even if mesmer counter warrior, is it the case when the duel take 5 min and the warrior have a way better on point uptime ?
    Mean thief vs mesmer matchup didn't dure 5 min.

  • Ignore @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 he’s been having random fits for years now, that is whenever he’s not rolling with senseless muble jumble.

  • @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Mesmer is one of warriors hard counters as thief is to mes. A good med shouldn't lose to a warrior.

    That doesn't sound right to me. Even if mirage wins, they don't do it on point and they don't do it quickly (assuming equal skill, naturally). This is not a hard counter. It's a loss for your team.

    Am I wrong?

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Mesmer is one of warriors hard counters as thief is to mes. A good med shouldn't lose to a warrior.

    That doesn't sound right to me. Even if mirage wins, they don't do it on point and they don't do it quickly (assuming equal skill, naturally). This is not a hard counter. It's a loss for your team.

    Am I wrong?

    This is what most players think hard counter means :D
    I dont think they every played games where from the start you are doomed to fail.

  • Mirage cloak instead of dodge roll shouldn't have ever been a thing in PvP, it's factually a good thing mirage won't be playable anymore. Now hopefully ANet will properly balance around core mesmer

    [credibility] 7x mAT winner on revenant | 2x mAT winner on elementalist | rank1 rating on revenant and daredevil

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2020

    @Sikieiki.3189 said:
    Mirage cloak instead of dodge roll shouldn't have ever been a thing in PvP, it's factually a good thing mirage won't be playable anymore. Now hopefully ANet will properly balance around core mesmer

    If mirage becomes unplayable, mesmer will have zero elite specs in pvp.

  • @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Sikieiki.3189 said:
    Mirage cloak instead of dodge roll shouldn't have ever been a thing in PvP, it's factually a good thing mirage won't be playable anymore. Now hopefully ANet will properly balance around core mesmer

    If mirage becomes unplayable, mesmer will have zero elite specs in pvp.

    Thats why I said ANet should balance mesmer properly around core/no elite spec. Both elite specs are really toxic in a PvP gamemode.

    [credibility] 7x mAT winner on revenant | 2x mAT winner on elementalist | rank1 rating on revenant and daredevil

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sikieiki.3189 said:

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Sikieiki.3189 said:
    Mirage cloak instead of dodge roll shouldn't have ever been a thing in PvP, it's factually a good thing mirage won't be playable anymore. Now hopefully ANet will properly balance around core mesmer

    If mirage becomes unplayable, mesmer will have zero elite specs in pvp.

    Thats why I said ANet should balance mesmer properly around core/no elite spec. Both elite specs are really toxic in a PvP gamemode.

    How can you not see how ridiculous that Is? This games player base is the biggest meme in any game in the history of ever.

  • @phokus.8934 said:

    @Sikieiki.3189 said:

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Sikieiki.3189 said:
    Mirage cloak instead of dodge roll shouldn't have ever been a thing in PvP, it's factually a good thing mirage won't be playable anymore. Now hopefully ANet will properly balance around core mesmer

    If mirage becomes unplayable, mesmer will have zero elite specs in pvp.

    Thats why I said ANet should balance mesmer properly around core/no elite spec. Both elite specs are really toxic in a PvP gamemode.

    How can you not see how ridiculous that Is? This games player base is the biggest meme in any game in the history of ever.

    You are probably a newer player but let me tell you that ANet never goes back to fix their mistakes. Mirage is not going to be completely reworked for a really long time, especially because its fine in PvE.

    [credibility] 7x mAT winner on revenant | 2x mAT winner on elementalist | rank1 rating on revenant and daredevil