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Stephen.6312Stephen.6312 Member ✭✭✭
edited February 22, 2020 in Lore

I know this sounds crazy, but...I don't trust Jhavi. I think that she killed Almorra and is shadowing the Commander in an effort to get into Jormy's good books.

Just saying...

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  • They would have to be very careful with this route in order to actually make it feel good and make sense, imo.

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That would actually be good

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2020

    At the meta you can hear Jhavi talking for a moment as if she is Jormag. Not just a voice in your head, its actually her character talking (like the dead Svanir). Just saying :p

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  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    Jhavi is actually a revenant :) She's just talking to Jora while she has her channeled lol

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'd be worried this would be a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist since so far, everything points against it. Why would she cosy up to Jormag then lead an attack on Drakkar? It's not like Jhavi would replace Drakkar. Plus she interpreted the code and told us where to find the body. There's not much logic in her doing that if she went to the trouble of killing and burying her out of the way.

    Unless she was somehow not in control of herself and did something without memory. That could be a way round - I'm just not sure if that's something that usually coexists with potential corruption. I'm sure someone can clarify on that either way

    There are ways round it and it will require a lot of stretching, albeit the essence of a good plot twist did exist - esp given her bloodline is connected to Svanir as well as Jora, I'm just not convinced it has been handled right so far to foreshadow it and make it a twist that holds together

    There is also the question of whether the story can handle the addition of such a wrinkle, given the focus is on what appears to be Bangar and and his army seemingly turned to hostility - willingly or manipulated.

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  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I LOVE this idea

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  • Aaron Ansari.1604Aaron Ansari.1604 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2020

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    Unless she was somehow not in control of herself and did something without memory. That could be a way round - I'm just not sure if that's something that usually coexists with potential corruption. I'm sure someone can clarify on that either way

    There haven't been any previous cases where dragon corruption is known to have caused the subject to forget what occurred 'under the influence'. The closest we've seen to corruption-induced amnesia is the difficulty Mordrem Guard seem to have holding on to who they used to be, but A.) that seems to be a difficulty in focusing, not remembering, and B.) it worked in the opposite direction from what's being proposed here. In fact, minions and ex-minions willing to discuss the matter with us describe the killing they did as fairly vivid memories...

    ... but, then again, a lot of what Jormag's doing right now seems to be unprecedented. We've never had a dragon deliberately lure us in before, or treat us as a piece on their board. In short, while there's no precedent for dragon-related, targeted, memory loss, there is a precedent for ANet throwing twists out of the blue, wherever they might have the most impact. Jhavi's loyalties might simply rest on what comes next. If she stays with us for the rest of the arc, they almost need some twist or other to justify it, considering how undeveloped her character has been prior to this point. On the other hand, if she quietly drops out of events now that Drakkar is dead, she's likely in the clear, even if she does crop up again as one more face in the crowd when we gather our allies for the final push.

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  • @Dawdler.8521 said:
    At the meta you can hear Jhavi talking for a moment as if she is Jormag. Not just a voice in your head, its actually her character talking (like the dead Svanir). Just saying :p

    I've never seen or heard this. But I imagine that they're just using Jhavi as the NPC relaying the voice for Jormag so that it remains local and on the move since Jormag speaks multiple times in the meta. This isn't an unusual thing for them to do, and is pure mechanics not lore.

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    I'd be worried this would be a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist since so far, everything points against it. Why would she cosy up to Jormag then lead an attack on Drakkar? It's not like Jhavi would replace Drakkar. Plus she interpreted the code and told us where to find the body. There's not much logic in her doing that if she went to the trouble of killing and burying her out of the way.

    My thoughts exactly.

    Hence why they'd have to be careful with how they would pull such a twist. Having plot twists for the sake of plot twists is never a good thing - just look at the Balthazar reveal coming out of kitten nowhere and having little to no logical reasoning behind it.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    At the meta you can hear Jhavi talking for a moment as if she is Jormag. Not just a voice in your head, its actually her character talking (like the dead Svanir). Just saying :p

    I've never seen or heard this. But I imagine that they're just using Jhavi as the NPC relaying the voice for Jormag so that it remains local and on the move since Jormag speaks multiple times in the meta. This isn't an unusual thing for them to do, and is pure mechanics not lore.

    But if you also hear whispers related with the meta, its not for mechanical reasons.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2020

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    But if you also hear whispers related with the meta, its not for mechanical reasons.

    I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Mechanically, all voice dialogue has to have an origin point. Usually this is the NPC that's actually speaking - when so, the dialogue will trigger said NPC to also do some mouth flapping.

    When the dialogue triggers regardless of your location, the source of the dialogue is usually the PC itself.

    If the NPC Jhavi's mouth is flapping during Jormag's dialogue, this means that Jhavi's NPC is being used as the source for Jormag's dialogue. You can tell that during the Drakkar events, Jormag's whispers are local to Jhavi's location because if you're not near her when she passes through the tunnels, you won't hear Jormag's whisper (even if you get the whisper effect). Most likely, rather than having some hidden NPC in the ground that triggers dialogue as Jhavi gets close, they just used Jhavi herself.

    Elsewhere in the map, the whispers seem to use the PC as the origin point. Though it also seems that they disabled mouth flapping for that. Presumably, if Jhavi's mouth does move during Jormag's voiced dialogue, it's because they're both using her as the origin point (so players not near the meta won't get the whispers and they don't need to add another NPC to the area - what with having seventeen Drakkar props in the arenas) and they forgot to disable mouth flapping for those lines.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    But if you also hear whispers related with the meta, its not for mechanical reasons.

    I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Mechanically, all voice dialogue has to have an origin point. Usually this is the NPC that's actually speaking - when so, the dialogue will trigger said NPC to also do some mouth flapping.

    When the dialogue triggers regardless of your location, the source of the dialogue is usually the PC itself.

    If the NPC Jhavi's mouth is flapping during Jormag's dialogue, this means that Jhavi's NPC is being used as the source for Jormag's dialogue. You can tell that during the Drakkar events, Jormag's whispers are local to Jhavi's location because if you're not near her when she passes through the tunnels, you won't hear Jormag's whisper (even if you get the whisper effect). Most likely, rather than having some hidden NPC in the ground that triggers dialogue as Jhavi gets close, they just used Jhavi herself.

    Elsewhere in the map, the whispers seem to use the PC as the origin point. Though it also seems that they disabled mouth flapping for that. Presumably, if Jhavi's mouth does move during Jormag's voiced dialogue, it's because they're both using her as the origin point (so players not near the meta won't get the whispers and they don't need to add another NPC to the area - what with having seventeen Drakkar props in the arenas) and they forgot to disable mouth flapping for those lines.

    That's an awfull long response for basicly saying... you can hear Jhavi talking for a moment as if she's Jormag.

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  • @Dawdler.8521 said:

    That's an awfull long response for basicly saying... you can hear Jhavi talking for a moment as if she's Jormag.

    And that's an awfully short way to reveal you entirely missed the point.

    The point is that the devs merely use Jhavi's body as a microphone for the whispers - most likely not for any story reason whatsoever, but just to make sure that most players actually hear the whisper during the meta. That's not at all "Jhavi talking for a moment as if she's Jormag," if it wasn't meant to make Jhavi actually serve as a story mouthpiece for the dragon, but just the most convenient mechanical tool for it.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2020

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    That's an awfull long response for basicly saying... you can hear Jhavi talking for a moment as if she's Jormag.

    And that's an awfully short way to reveal you entirely missed the point.

    The point is that the devs merely use Jhavi's body as a microphone for the whispers - most likely not for any story reason whatsoever, but just to make sure that most players actually hear the whisper during the meta. That's not at all "Jhavi talking for a moment as if she's Jormag," if it wasn't meant to make Jhavi actually serve as a story mouthpiece for the dragon, but just the most convenient mechanical tool for it.

    But how do you know that, when she's doing it ingame?

    It's like saying that instead of insta-teleporting to the event, the escort from the waypoint to the first drakkar boss is just a 10m timer and that Jhavi is a convenient mechanical tool for delaying the players arriving.

    Well yeah. Duh. It is. But in the game she's still being escorted there.

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  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2020

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    It's like saying that instead of insta-teleporting to the event, the escort from the waypoint to the first drakkar boss is just a 10m timer and that Jhavi is a convenient mechanical tool for delaying the players arriving.

    Well yeah. Duh. It is. But in the game she's still being escorted there.

    Not a good analogy. There are actually objectives that are more than mere delay - anyone completely out of essences can charge up all 3 colors on the way to the first room. You can also top off with the enemy waves at the end of the first room, but for whatever reason I've found it much harder to land a full 30 during those phases than in the pre-first-room portal fights.

    As for how anyone knows for sure that the devs chose to use Jhavi for purely mechanical and not story reasons, I don't know for sure. I just think they decided to avoid further weird bugs like the Light of Deldrimor skritt voice being audible to everyone on the Thunderhead map, and found that localizing the whispers on the escort npc would simultaneously ensure that everyone doing the meta would hear the whisper, and non-participants would be spared.

    So yes, you are correct that nobody knows (short of a dev confirming it directly) 100% why the whispers are localized on Jhavi. But the point is that there are other good potential explanations besides Jhavi's voice not being her own anymore.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not sure I understand the reasoning of using a character that was bugged but was supposed to talk as the character, as evidence that another character that talks as the character is purely for mechanical reasons. But ok. I guess nothing is as it seems ingame and Almorra probably burried herself for mechanical reasons so she wouldnt have to talk to the commander.

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  • @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I guess nothing is as it seems ingame and Almorra probably burried herself for mechanical reasons so she wouldnt have to talk to the commander.

    That's an even worse analogy than voltaicbore mentioning the skritt in Thunderhead Keep.

    All you need to know is that there is a separation between mechanics and lore.

    For example: Mechanically, there are seventeen Drakkars in the map. Lorewise, there's only one.

    Mechanically, Jhavi is being used as the source for the whisper dialogue. Lorewise, the whispers come from Jormag via Drakkar.

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  • Cronos.6532Cronos.6532 Member ✭✭✭

    Interesting theory, but almost certainly not true.

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2020

    She has a shield and is a Necromancer..

    Everyone knows Necromancers don't need shields becuase they are shields!!
    Something fishy about her for sure :P

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I guess nothing is as it seems ingame and Almorra probably burried herself for mechanical reasons so she wouldnt have to talk to the commander.

    That's an even worse analogy than voltaicbore mentioning the skritt in Thunderhead Keep.

    All you need to know is that there is a separation between mechanics and lore.

    For example: Mechanically, there are seventeen Drakkars in the map. Lorewise, there's only one.

    Mechanically, Jhavi is being used as the source for the whisper dialogue. Lorewise, the whispers come from Jormag via Drakkar.

    That wasnt an analogy. I know exactly what the separation between mechanics and lore is and that's why I consider the the lore reasoning flawed.

    Again... It's not a whisper. That was my entire point, but you keep going back to that. Was it Drakkar that whispered in your mind through the dead fraenir and made him move? No. The dead really did move and it was Jormag that talked through the corpse... Face to face. Jormags own words. This means that lorewise, Jormag can talk through other people, not just whisper through Drakkar. Otherwise that mission makes no sense.

    As a further note on that... Crecia Stoneglow: So that comm from Almorra... Jormag was using.. Warmaster Jhavi Jorasdottir: Oh, Spirits.... Which means that the coms you heard from Almorra wasnt whispers in your mind either, it really was Almorra. So why couldnt Jormag use Jhavi, albeit for a brief moment before she take control and tell you not to listen to the voice?

    If we had seen zero evidence that Jormag could do any of this, I would agree with you. And if you can tell me how I am lorewise completely wrong with the above points and that Jormag most definetly cannot speak through characters, that's fine and dandy.

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2020

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I guess nothing is as it seems ingame and Almorra probably burried herself for mechanical reasons so she wouldnt have to talk to the commander.

    That's an even worse analogy than voltaicbore mentioning the skritt in Thunderhead Keep.

    All you need to know is that there is a separation between mechanics and lore.

    For example: Mechanically, there are seventeen Drakkars in the map. Lorewise, there's only one.

    Mechanically, Jhavi is being used as the source for the whisper dialogue. Lorewise, the whispers come from Jormag via Drakkar.

    That wasnt an analogy. I know exactly what the separation between mechanics and lore is and that's why I consider the the lore reasoning flawed.

    Again... It's not a whisper. That was my entire point, but you keep going back to that. Was it Drakkar that whispered in your mind through the dead fraenir and made him move? No. The dead really did move and it was Jormag that talked through the corpse... Face to face. Jormags own words. This means that lorewise, Jormag can talk through other people, not just whisper through Drakkar. Otherwise that mission makes no sense.

    As a further note on that... Crecia Stoneglow: So that comm from Almorra... Jormag was using.. Warmaster Jhavi Jorasdottir: Oh, Spirits.... Which means that the coms you heard from Almorra wasnt whispers in your mind either, it really was Almorra. So why couldnt Jormag use Jhavi, albeit for a brief moment before she take control and tell you not to listen to the voice?

    I think it's better to think of Drakkar similarly to a magic microphone.
    It's Jormag's voice and power it's just amplified through Drakkar to increase Jormag's range of influence without having to move itself.
    If Drakkar wasn't in the area then Jormag would probably have had to be physically closer in order to speak directly through the corpse of the fraenir.

    Now with Drakkar dead it's possible we won't hear much from Jormag until we get closer to it, unless it has more than one champion acting as a mouthpiece.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2020

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I guess nothing is as it seems ingame and Almorra probably burried herself for mechanical reasons so she wouldnt have to talk to the commander.

    That's an even worse analogy than voltaicbore mentioning the skritt in Thunderhead Keep.

    All you need to know is that there is a separation between mechanics and lore.

    For example: Mechanically, there are seventeen Drakkars in the map. Lorewise, there's only one.

    Mechanically, Jhavi is being used as the source for the whisper dialogue. Lorewise, the whispers come from Jormag via Drakkar.

    That wasnt an analogy. I know exactly what the separation between mechanics and lore is and that's why I consider the the lore reasoning flawed.

    Again... It's not a whisper. That was my entire point, but you keep going back to that. Was it Drakkar that whispered in your mind through the dead fraenir and made him move? No. The dead really did move and it was Jormag that talked through the corpse... Face to face. Jormags own words. This means that lorewise, Jormag can talk through other people, not just whisper through Drakkar. Otherwise that mission makes no sense.

    As a further note on that... Crecia Stoneglow: So that comm from Almorra... Jormag was using.. Warmaster Jhavi Jorasdottir: Oh, Spirits.... Which means that the coms you heard from Almorra wasnt whispers in your mind either, it really was Almorra. So why couldnt Jormag use Jhavi, albeit for a brief moment before she take control and tell you not to listen to the voice?

    I think it's better to think of Drakkar similarly to a magic microphone.
    It's Jormag's voice and power it's just amplified through Drakkar to increase Jormag's range of influence without having to move itself.
    If Drakkar wasn't in the area then Jormag would probably have had to be physically closer in order to speak directly through the corpse of the fraenir.

    Now with Drakkar dead it's possible we won't hear much from Jormag until we get closer to it, unless it has more than one champion acting as a mouthpiece.

    I dont see it as a magic microphone. I see two different things here:

    Drakkar is the propaganda machine of Jormag. Basicly "give up" etc whispers across every soul nearby. The things Jormag cant be kitten to do herself.
    But Jormag can also take direct control and talk through others.

    And in the event... both things happen. And that Jhavi may be closer to Jormag than we think. I dont know, maybe I'm just bad at explaining.

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  • Gryphon.2875Gryphon.2875 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I guess nothing is as it seems ingame and Almorra probably burried herself for mechanical reasons so she wouldnt have to talk to the commander.

    That's an even worse analogy than voltaicbore mentioning the skritt in Thunderhead Keep.

    All you need to know is that there is a separation between mechanics and lore.

    For example: Mechanically, there are seventeen Drakkars in the map. Lorewise, there's only one.

    Mechanically, Jhavi is being used as the source for the whisper dialogue. Lorewise, the whispers come from Jormag via Drakkar.

    That wasnt an analogy. I know exactly what the separation between mechanics and lore is and that's why I consider the the lore reasoning flawed.

    Again... It's not a whisper. That was my entire point, but you keep going back to that. Was it Drakkar that whispered in your mind through the dead fraenir and made him move? No. The dead really did move and it was Jormag that talked through the corpse... Face to face. Jormags own words. This means that lorewise, Jormag can talk through other people, not just whisper through Drakkar. Otherwise that mission makes no sense.

    As a further note on that... Crecia Stoneglow: So that comm from Almorra... Jormag was using.. Warmaster Jhavi Jorasdottir: Oh, Spirits.... Which means that the coms you heard from Almorra wasnt whispers in your mind either, it really was Almorra. So why couldnt Jormag use Jhavi, albeit for a brief moment before she take control and tell you not to listen to the voice?

    I think it's better to think of Drakkar similarly to a magic microphone.
    It's Jormag's voice and power it's just amplified through Drakkar to increase Jormag's range of influence without having to move itself.
    If Drakkar wasn't in the area then Jormag would probably have had to be physically closer in order to speak directly through the corpse of the fraenir.

    Now with Drakkar dead it's possible we won't hear much from Jormag until we get closer to it, unless it has more than one champion acting as a mouthpiece.

    I dont see it as a magic microphone. I see two different things here:

    Drakkar is the propaganda machine of Jormag. Basicly "give up" etc whispers across every soul nearby. The things Jormag cant be kitten to do herself.
    But Jormag can also take direct control and talk through others.

    And in the event... both things happen. And that Jhavi may be closer to Jormag than we think. I dont know, maybe I'm just bad at explaining.

    Jormag can certainly puppet and talk through dead people. Is Javi dead?

  • Jormag's control of corpses is new, and as seen with the Fraenir (and Almorra's call), their ability to naturally move corpses is not even remotely good. Jhavi being a corpse controlled by Jormag is even more unlikely than Jhavi being a servant of Jormag.

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  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I guess nothing is as it seems ingame and Almorra probably burried herself for mechanical reasons so she wouldnt have to talk to the commander.

    That's an even worse analogy than voltaicbore mentioning the skritt in Thunderhead Keep.

    All you need to know is that there is a separation between mechanics and lore.

    For example: Mechanically, there are seventeen Drakkars in the map. Lorewise, there's only one.

    Mechanically, Jhavi is being used as the source for the whisper dialogue. Lorewise, the whispers come from Jormag via Drakkar.

    That wasnt an analogy. I know exactly what the separation between mechanics and lore is and that's why I consider the the lore reasoning flawed.

    Again... It's not a whisper. That was my entire point, but you keep going back to that. Was it Drakkar that whispered in your mind through the dead fraenir and made him move? No. The dead really did move and it was Jormag that talked through the corpse... Face to face. Jormags own words. This means that lorewise, Jormag can talk through other people, not just whisper through Drakkar. Otherwise that mission makes no sense.

    As a further note on that... Crecia Stoneglow: So that comm from Almorra... Jormag was using.. Warmaster Jhavi Jorasdottir: Oh, Spirits.... Which means that the coms you heard from Almorra wasnt whispers in your mind either, it really was Almorra. So why couldnt Jormag use Jhavi, albeit for a brief moment before she take control and tell you not to listen to the voice?

    I think it's better to think of Drakkar similarly to a magic microphone.
    It's Jormag's voice and power it's just amplified through Drakkar to increase Jormag's range of influence without having to move itself.
    If Drakkar wasn't in the area then Jormag would probably have had to be physically closer in order to speak directly through the corpse of the fraenir.

    Now with Drakkar dead it's possible we won't hear much from Jormag until we get closer to it, unless it has more than one champion acting as a mouthpiece.

    With Drakkar dead, Jormag could raise it back from the dead with death magic. Not out of the realm of possibilities for this entity to return.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2020

    Jhavi as a character is still new to the game and rather shallow at the moment. She hasn't had the time in game to have her personality developed beyond her personal struggle to deal with Almorra's death, and her responsibilities to both the Vigil and her family legacy. She seems to have mutual respect with Marjory in the keep, but her relationships with other NPCs are an open question. Her initial contact with Braham was rather hostile and disrespectful, but has been fairly normal since. And no, she isn't dead and being puppeted by Jormag.

    Mechanically, Konig is probably right. In the game's code, Jhavi is probably the "source" for Jormag's whispers so we can hear them throughout the meta. Lore wise, it's an open question how much Jormag is actually getting to her. One thing for sure: her obsession with Drakkar and Jormag almost certainly strengthens her connection to the whispers, whether she is actually obeying them or not. As the Kodan say, she should be careful, lest her voice become not her own...

    As for Drakkar, it's best to think of Drakkar as a sort of radio repeater or relay station for Jormag's whispers. Jormag whispers to Drakkar, who in turn broadcasts the whispers to a much larger area. Stopping Drakkar greatly reduces Jormag's ability to whisper beyond its lair until Jormag regenerates Drakkar and the nightmare starts all over again.

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    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Jormag's control of corpses is new, and as seen with the Fraenir (and Almorra's call), their ability to naturally move corpses is not even remotely good.

    In addition to that, note that except for once in Bitterfrost, we haven't seen any hybrid-powered Icebrood critters, unlike the hybrid Destroyers in Ember Bay for example. I get the impression that after what happened to Kralk, Jormag may be somewhat reluctant to use the powers of the dead dragons, or at least is more restrained with them, lest Jormag fall into madness the way Kralk did.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Jormag's control of corpses is new, and as seen with the Fraenir (and Almorra's call), their ability to naturally move corpses is not even remotely good. Jhavi being a corpse controlled by Jormag is even more unlikely than Jhavi being a servant of Jormag.

    Jormag is only doing the voice though (obviously). Maybe full control over Jhavi isnt possible yet.

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  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Maybe full control over Jhavi isnt possible yet.

    As stated in the game, Jormag does not TAKE; Jormag CONVERTS. Jormag whispers seductively, and both grants and gains power from those who give in. As Jormag itself says in the Drakkar meta, "In the history of this world, I have never given anything to one who did not ask." Of course, the asking is very often under subconscious coercion from the whispers, but it's still not the same as other Elder Dragons outright corrupting their minions by raw power, assimilating them like the Borg. Jormag prefers a more subtle process, a deal with the devil in which the minion is at least a semi-willing participant, and of course the deal is rigged so that the house (Jormag) always wins...

    Be that as it may, Jhavi hasn't given in yet. Though I strongly suspect that in some future part of the saga, at least one of our close friends will, and I'm not looking forward to it.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So uh... Almorra willingly converted?

    Maybe Jhavi really did kill and bury her then.

    Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • thepenmonster.3621thepenmonster.3621 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2020

    In a S2 episode Taimi's dialog balloon points towards Braham. Drakar coming out of Javi as a mechanical error wouldn't be impossible.

    Amyway my theory is she and Braham are going to go off and have Norn babies together leaving the Commander alone again.

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Be that as it may, Jhavi hasn't given in yet. Though I strongly suspect that in some future part of the saga, at least one of our close friends will, and I'm not looking forward to it.

    Rytlock already faltered...

    ...

  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2020

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    She has a shield and is a Necromancer..

    Everyone knows Necromancers don't need shields becuase they are shields!!
    Something fishy about her for sure :P

    Did she actually use/wear the shield at any point? I've only ever seen her run around with a focus ingame (Since she's wearing new armour. I didn't really pay attention to her weaponset during the Story-missions). The only place I've seen her wear a shield is the IBS announcement.

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Raknar.4735 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    She has a shield and is a Necromancer..

    Everyone knows Necromancers don't need shields becuase they are shields!!
    Something fishy about her for sure :P

    Did she actually use/wear the shield at any point? I've only ever seen her run around with a focus ingame (Since she's wearing new armour. I didn't really pay attention to her weaponset during the Story-missions). The only place I've seen her wear a shield is the IBS announcement.

    I don't think so, least not yet anyway.

    She has a Sceptor Focus combo in game I think but a Axe Shield combo in the trailer so it could be her backup weapon set, a hint at a future spec or it could just be Anet deciding to go with something that looks cool.

    Im curious to find out where her story is going though, hopefully she'll whip a shield out at some point and show off xD

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    So uh... Almorra willingly converted?

    Maybe Jhavi really did kill and bury her then.

    Almorra didn't convert. Almorra was killed by the servants of Jormag. Jormag then used Almorra's body to make the call.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2020

    By the way, just a side note on Braham: Guardian/Dragonhunter, mace and shield, longbow. I would LOVE to see his character build and maybe even try it in game, just for kicks.

  • Aaron Ansari.1604Aaron Ansari.1604 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    Braham, oddly, has seemed the most unaffected. He certainly hears the whispers, and he also certainly feels the weight of prophecy on his shoulders. But he also doesn't seem to be faltering like the others. Perhaps he is just too dumb to fully grasp the situation, which might not be a bad thing; he bulled his way into the situation, now he has to bull his way back out, and Braham is pretty good at bulling through things. Or maybe he's just finally growing up and finding his moment. Perhaps all of the above.

    To be fair, he had a pretty solid falter at the end of the Whisper fight, when Jormag got into his head about the Wolf thing... although arguably, the Commander did too.

    R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That would be some Scarlet Saga, Lazarus/Balthazar, Eir death, etc level of writing...would be just trying to be shoking just for the sake of it, no real reason, no sense at all, would be against everything the character is...theres not a single evidence that could be even close to the truth...