Should ArenaNet remove duo? — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Should ArenaNet remove duo?

Chilli.2976Chilli.2976 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited August 8, 2019 in PVP

Don't give me this kitten "but I want to play with my friends" if you want to then go play another game mode that is not ranked. The population is too small to cater for the 10 sweaty players.
I vote to remove it, as this is will greatly increase the speed of queues and I'd guess a better match quality?

Should ArenaNet remove duo? 139 votes

Yes
56%
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No
35%
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Ben Kappa
8%
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  • Yes

    Yes, but only if team q is a thing

  • Miyu.8137Miyu.8137 Member ✭✭
    edited August 8, 2019
    Yes

    Match quality suffers from low population already. Duo queue making it even harder for the algoritm to balance the games properly.

    Also if we want to keep the seasons competitive and fair then there should be same conditions for everyone. Duo queue is an advantage, the very TOP of the ladder is always occupied by duo queuers as a proof. How this can ever be healty for a competition?

    There should be either team queue only or solo queue only to keep the seasons as fair as possible. Nothing between. As there is not enough players for team queues, there should be solo queue only. But for those, who want to play with friends should be given the possibility = 2v2, 3v3, Swiss. And ATs should be calculated to ladder.

    PS: The community voted about this already, just btw. We have chosen solo queue only. Yet Anet decided to ignore it and bring duo back.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No

    What's important is bringing new players into the game and giving them reasons to stay. A lot of the current issues can be solved simply by having a higher population.

  • Miyu.8137Miyu.8137 Member ✭✭
    Yes

    The pool is about duo queue mate. It is team based game, which means 5man queue in ideal case. But for that we simply don't have people. You would end up fighting the same teams over and over again and outside of prime time you would wait ages in queue.

    You saying it's not for solo queuers, yet you need them to ever get a game running. Solo queuers are forced to play with duo right now. Like I said before, either 5man queue or solo queue only, nothing between.

  • Yes

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    If you people want to play Solo so hard then you should be using Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing Team based PvP mod in Teams...
    That's like voting about having 2v2 increased to 5v5, it makes no sense.
    As to you OP; you legit can't walk in here and say "you wanna play in team in a team based mod? Well play something else than team conquest". Just no mate, no, if YOU wanna play Solo then you go and play something else than team mod. If anything re-enabling 5man will bring back more people, possibly enough to justify keeping it again.

    If you want that "team mode" so bad then you should use Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing soloQs in a Solo/Duo queue, DuoQ doesn't help that "team mode" at all, it just ruins soloQ since the population is so low that there will be max 2 DuoQs per game which means MINIMUM 6 soloQs which means most of the people in the game are in an disadvantage which is unfun nor competitive. Bad for casuals, bad for tryharders, good to abuse, good for friendships if games goes well :wink: .

    I know all the top ranked 5years+ pvp players, only duoQ now because it's just funnier and easier for them but if you want to climb the ladder as a solo, newcomer in pvp, GL mate. It's literally impossible because facing those high ranks duoQs is just frustrating.
    Then you may say "then go find a duo mate" but it's not that easy when you're a new "middle elo looking to be top" pvp player since they all know each other already and have big ego calling others nonames (atleast in EU, dunno about NA).

    My whole experience in pvp has been lots of casual games for the legendary backpack few years ago then half this season 17, got ranked to plat 2 on both my accounts and i just feel powerless whenever i meet these CI mirage/rev duos as a Necro player with full pugs. Tho whenever i meet these same players but playing solo, even tho they're much more experienced and top ~10-150, it feels much more winnable == competitive/fair, right ?

    That's my alt account btw

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No

    @Kamskill.9457 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    If you people want to play Solo so hard then you should be using Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing Team based PvP mod in Teams...
    That's like voting about having 2v2 increased to 5v5, it makes no sense.
    As to you OP; you legit can't walk in here and say "you wanna play in team in a team based mod? Well play something else than team conquest". Just no mate, no, if YOU wanna play Solo then you go and play something else than team mod. If anything re-enabling 5man will bring back more people, possibly enough to justify keeping it again.

    If you want that "team mode" so bad then you should use Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing soloQs in a Solo/Duo queue,

    This makes absolutely no sense sorry. Conquest already is Team mod so all I have to do is advocate 5man que which is exactly what I am doing and makes more sense than people pushing Solo on it.
    If you cant find duo/team then you either dont belong in team based mod or need to withstand solo until you do, it was about teams from the beginning, you also wouldn't just jump in other games or even irl sports based around teamplay and be like "omg I dont want any of you to play in teams cuz I dont know how to get one!". I found myself team within five seconds on an alt account, there is more people looking for teams on lower ranks then there are on higher ranks so there goes the "difficulty" for new players.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Kamskill.9457Kamskill.9457 Member ✭✭
    edited August 8, 2019
    Yes

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Kamskill.9457 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    If you people want to play Solo so hard then you should be using Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing Team based PvP mod in Teams...
    That's like voting about having 2v2 increased to 5v5, it makes no sense.
    As to you OP; you legit can't walk in here and say "you wanna play in team in a team based mod? Well play something else than team conquest". Just no mate, no, if YOU wanna play Solo then you go and play something else than team mod. If anything re-enabling 5man will bring back more people, possibly enough to justify keeping it again.

    If you want that "team mode" so bad then you should use Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing soloQs in a Solo/Duo queue,

    This makes absolutely no sense sorry. Conquest already is Team mod so all I have to do is advocate 5man que which is exactly what I am doing and makes more sense than people pushing Solo on it.
    If you cant find duo/team then you either dont belong in team based mod or need to withstand solo until you do, it was about teams from the beginning, you also wouldn't just jump in other games or even irl sports based around teamplay and be like "omg I dont want any of you to play in teams cuz I dont know how to get one!". I found myself team within five seconds on an alt account, there is more people looking for teams on lower ranks then there are on higher ranks so there goes the "difficulty" for new players.

    This post is about SoloQ and DuoQ so i thought you were saying that DuoQ contribute to the overall 5 man teamplay while i'm saying that DuoQ ruins the Solo+Duo mixed queue and it should be only Solo but you actually only want 5v5s then just go AT because your message is sort of off topic here.

    And yes i totally agree that finding teammates at lower ranks is easy since there is much less judgement to each other but in a "competitive" game mode you must also think about mid and high rating, and i consider Plat 2 being mid rating.
    Of course there are less player once you reach mid tier but you play with the highest rated players hence the highest rated Duos and it get much harder to reach plat 3 facing these plat 3 duos to find a Plat 3 duo to play with you (don't forget the ego issue i was talking about too).
    It's a vicious circle where it's much much harder for newcomers to reach the highest ratings except if you abuse the queue by queueing with a low rated alt account, in the morning but that remove all the prestige and competition.

    That's my alt account btw

  • Bazooka.3590Bazooka.3590 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2019
    Yes

    Remove asap. It is just another system exploit for paying power creepers and not to mention MM can't handle it at all. I've seen many matches with 2 duoq pairs vs 0. You can imagine the match results...
    Putting it into ranked was a really thoughtless move in the first place.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No

    @Kamskill.9457 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Kamskill.9457 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    If you people want to play Solo so hard then you should be using Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing Team based PvP mod in Teams...
    That's like voting about having 2v2 increased to 5v5, it makes no sense.
    As to you OP; you legit can't walk in here and say "you wanna play in team in a team based mod? Well play something else than team conquest". Just no mate, no, if YOU wanna play Solo then you go and play something else than team mod. If anything re-enabling 5man will bring back more people, possibly enough to justify keeping it again.

    If you want that "team mode" so bad then you should use Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing soloQs in a Solo/Duo queue,

    This makes absolutely no sense sorry. Conquest already is Team mod so all I have to do is advocate 5man que which is exactly what I am doing and makes more sense than people pushing Solo on it.
    If you cant find duo/team then you either dont belong in team based mod or need to withstand solo until you do, it was about teams from the beginning, you also wouldn't just jump in other games or even irl sports based around teamplay and be like "omg I dont want any of you to play in teams cuz I dont know how to get one!". I found myself team within five seconds on an alt account, there is more people looking for teams on lower ranks then there are on higher ranks so there goes the "difficulty" for new players.

    This post is about SoloQ and DuoQ so i thought you were saying that DuoQ contribute to the overall 5 man teamplay while i'm saying that DuoQ ruins the Solo+Duo mixed queue and it should be only Solo but you actually only want 5v5s then just go AT because your message is sort of off topic here.

    I dont want "only" 5man, it should be part of the Que for all, so people who want to care about rating can actually make it so their rating is not dependant on random pugs, while people who dont want to play in team/cant yet find it can still que but at the cost of the possibility of facing a full 5 man team. I am voting here against removing Duo because it only further undermines the possibility of 5man que returning while also taking away the very last fragment of a teamplay. When anet gave us a vote about the solo/duo they explicitly mentioned it is going to be a temporary trial but they never cancelled it.
    And yes, there is an AT but that means nothing except monthly AT, with 5man que back the rating of Ranked matches would actually begin to have a meaning again providing incentive for more people to pvp and for more people to look for teams while also reducing if not almost eliminating Wintrading if a player has a full team and as a bonus it would be available entire season and not once a month.
    If you take a look at mATs it's mostly won by teams that are already Pro and they just get their QP ready so you dont actually get to meet them much/or at all during normal AT ques and therefore you lose on the possibility of improving as you face superior players, I believe if this was to be in Rank people could progressively learn more and thus gain means to improve their rating, which is likely what a 5man team would be looking for.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Kamskill.9457Kamskill.9457 Member ✭✭
    edited August 8, 2019
    Yes

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Kamskill.9457 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Kamskill.9457 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    If you people want to play Solo so hard then you should be using Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing Team based PvP mod in Teams...
    That's like voting about having 2v2 increased to 5v5, it makes no sense.
    As to you OP; you legit can't walk in here and say "you wanna play in team in a team based mod? Well play something else than team conquest". Just no mate, no, if YOU wanna play Solo then you go and play something else than team mod. If anything re-enabling 5man will bring back more people, possibly enough to justify keeping it again.

    If you want that "team mode" so bad then you should use Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing soloQs in a Solo/Duo queue,

    This makes absolutely no sense sorry. Conquest already is Team mod so all I have to do is advocate 5man que which is exactly what I am doing and makes more sense than people pushing Solo on it.
    If you cant find duo/team then you either dont belong in team based mod or need to withstand solo until you do, it was about teams from the beginning, you also wouldn't just jump in other games or even irl sports based around teamplay and be like "omg I dont want any of you to play in teams cuz I dont know how to get one!". I found myself team within five seconds on an alt account, there is more people looking for teams on lower ranks then there are on higher ranks so there goes the "difficulty" for new players.

    This post is about SoloQ and DuoQ so i thought you were saying that DuoQ contribute to the overall 5 man teamplay while i'm saying that DuoQ ruins the Solo+Duo mixed queue and it should be only Solo but you actually only want 5v5s then just go AT because your message is sort of off topic here.

    I dont want "only" 5man, it should be part of the Que for all, so people who want to care about rating can actually make it so their rating is not dependant on random pugs, while people who dont want to play in team/cant yet find it can still que but at the cost of the possibility of facing a full 5 man team. I am voting here against removing Duo because it only further undermines the possibility of 5man que returning while also taking away the very last fragment of a teamplay. When anet gave us a vote about the solo/duo they explicitly mentioned it is going to be a temporary trial but they never cancelled it.
    And yes, there is an AT but that means nothing except monthly AT, with 5man que back the rating of Ranked matches would actually begin to have a meaning again providing incentive for more people to pvp and for more people to look for teams while also reducing if not almost eliminating Wintrading if a player has a full team and as a bonus it would be available entire season and not once a month.
    If you take a look at mATs it's mostly won by teams that are already Pro and they just get their QP ready so you dont actually get to meet them much/or at all during normal AT ques and therefore you lose on the possibility of improving as you face superior players, I believe if this was to be in Rank people could progressively learn more and thus gain means to improve their rating, which is likely what a 5man team would be looking for.

    So what you want is a second queue and rank for 5 mans, like Flex Queues and Solo/Duos in LoL, fine but as i said, that's off topic.
    Though your argument for letting DuoQ is that it's kind of closer to 5 mans because of the teamplay and faster communication i guess, but as long as this queue is Solo + Duo based, it won't be healthy, never will be.

    That's my alt account btw

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Ben Kappa

    I thought we wanted 2v2's?
    I mean, that could change everything..

    2v2 for solo queues and 5v5 for mixed queue.
    Separate boards.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • yanniell.1236yanniell.1236 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    Just make separated queues for solo and 5-man team.

  • Multicolorhipster.9751Multicolorhipster.9751 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2019
    Yes

    Easiest yes i've ever given. Merged queues have no place in this game and to say they've done the population any favors would be incredibly dishonest.

    To the people voting no, nobody said the game has to be restricted to SoloQ only. There's a huge array of possible arenas to split from SoloQ as competitive ways to play with friends.

    What's important is just giving people the option to queue Solo when they not might have or aren't able to play with friends either at the moment or in general. Mixing them together was and always will be a terrible idea.

    Remove Ranked DuoQ pls&ty

  • jbondo.9817jbondo.9817 Member ✭✭
    No

    No, you removed five man queue and then the majority of my friends quit playing the game.

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes

    Yes remove it. When it became the wintrade wars in season 6 it ruined ranked. Sadly it hasn't stopped because mama's basement trolls have no low and too much time at home.

    Make a alt, rank it up, get on voice chat with buddies and click join like butt buddies, if you are teamed up and you a alt then play if not throw the game.

    Trade wins with fellow no skillz and get top spots. Just like how last season's wintrade winner ended this season at 191-95 but last season was 109-13? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    Duo queue gives people too much ability to manipulate the outcome of a match.

  • BadMed.3846BadMed.3846 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    A firm yes. Too much manipulation resulting from duo queue and matchmaking is suffering big time due to a further reduced population.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of what the leaderboard says, the best duo to this day is still Ace and Gary.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭
    Ben Kappa

    We did this already. Unless we add in other gamemodes where you can "play with friends" competitively (and NO, one tournament every X hour doesn't count), we should leave it in. So my vote would be no. But, if we add some other gamemode after 7 years (like 2v2), then I'd change my answer to yes. iT DePEnDs.

  • BarnacleBoy.6918BarnacleBoy.6918 Member ✭✭
    edited August 10, 2019
    Yes

    The main problem with duo IMO, is that it has these players duo q’ing at 2-3 Am smashing average players season after season, holding multiple positions in the LBs, really inflates ego.

    That being said, I don’t have any answers.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No

    I voted no it would make playing some team based specs such as some necro ones impossible since they are team based and need protection from the likes of firebrand.

    Im not sure if that would be good for the game.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Ben Kappa

    @BarnacleBoy.6918 said:
    The main problem with duo IMO, is that it has these players duo q’ing at 2-3 Am smashing average players season after season, holding multiple positions in the LBs, really inflates ego.

    That being said, I don’t have any answers.

    2am to you could be 7pm to me.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • JETWING.2759JETWING.2759 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    Why i can't play with my new comer friend?

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    if they remove duo make ATs more frequent, like every hour.

    Te lazla otstra.

  • Exedore.6320Exedore.6320 Member ✭✭✭
    Ben Kappa

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    if they remove duo make ATs more frequent, like every hour.

    One match every hour for half the players! You can sit around waiting for another 45min for the next game. That won't work.

  • Yes

    @JETWING.2759 said:
    Why i can't play with my new comer friend?

    You should be able to play with them in a queue that's separate to SoloQ, because in merged queues in this particular game; very few people actually do that, but when it comes to abuse; it's ripe.

    Remove Ranked DuoQ pls&ty

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Ben Kappa

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    If you people want to play Solo so hard then you should be using Forums to advocate a new game mode and not be trying to prevent other people from playing Team based PvP mod in Teams...
    That's like voting about having 2v2 increased to 5v5, it makes no sense.
    As to you OP; you legit can't walk in here and say "you wanna play in team in a team based mod? Well play something else than team conquest". Just no mate, no, if YOU wanna play Solo then you go and play something else than team mod. If anything re-enabling 5man will bring back more people, possibly enough to justify keeping it again.

    Is it actually funny how this point has been overlooked for so long.

  • No

    If it wasn't for duo q, I wouldn't even be playing PvP. Unranked is awful, getting farmed by premades, and ranked is initially daunting to go in by yourself; enter duo q with a friend (my case, my wife).
    Now I mostly solo q as kids have changed our schedules. The point remains that duo q can definitely add population to a game mode that desperately needs it.

    And match manipulation is not an excuse to remove it. From what I can tell, most of you yes voters shouldn't be asking for anet to remove duo q, but for them to actually "police" ranked: or hell, make "rank1 and 2 duo q" sit in queue for 5 hrs looking for a match (lol).

  • Mechanix.9315Mechanix.9315 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    Ranked is already super random so removing duo will be cool, but still i think they need to add a 2v2 queue, and maybe thats coming soon?

  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No

    this game is going straight down the kitten toilet lmfao. Casual want the best for their outcome not for the game. Hey take a look at where we are now with the game....

  • Chilli.2976Chilli.2976 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes

    @JETWING.2759 said:
    Why i can't play with my new comer friend?

    You can, there is Unranked and Stronghold which consists of any team size - so you have this option to play with your friend.

  • Exedore.6320Exedore.6320 Member ✭✭✭
    Ben Kappa

    @Chilli.2976 said:

    @JETWING.2759 said:
    Why i can't play with my new comer friend?

    You can, there is Unranked and Stronghold which consists of any team size - so you have this option to play with your friend.

    ROFL. Unranked is a complete crapshoot with the matchmaking. The parameters are far looser than ranked, so you rarely get matched with someone remotely near your skill level. And you thought ranked matchmaking was bad? Unranked is to goof around and play new builds.

  • No

    No.

    Simple because you won't get better match quality. The solo Q could be just an excuse to blame the "others" for their incompetence, instead to face the truth :)

    Also, playing with a friend makes the entire experience of ranked more enjoyable, even if you go through a losing streak (at least for my experience). So duo Q should stay, regardless.

  • In high level play, duoQ actually has very little ability to affect the outcome of games with the exception of games around 7-9am. This is because the matchmaking system works and gives you players that are in gold if you're soloQ and in Legend, let alone duoQ. If you want more evidence of this, I would recommend watching Boyce's stream vods from the past season. You will see that despite him being the best mechanical player in the game he cannot carry some games, even when duoQ with other good players.

    You all vastly overestimate the value that DuoQ brings. Now, one thing that cannot be stated enough is the fact that for high level players SoloQ ranked is ridiculously unfun. A lot of you have no idea how it feels to be in plat3/legend and get players significantly lower skilled (not that being bad at the game is terrible, they just shouldn't be matchmade with really good players as its unfair for everyone). It leads to a lot of frustration, and a lot of players quit the game as a result of it before DuoQ for Plat 2+ was reinstated. DuoQ brings some solace with it, because a high leveled player can share the depressing experience with a friend, and it makes it better and less frustrating, even if your chances of winning are equal if not lowered by DuoQ, its more fun.

    Another thing to consider is that the leaderboard has no integrity, and no I am not referring to wintrading - although that certainly has had an affect on people's attitudes towards the titles and the leaderboard as a whole. The most efficient way to get Rank 1 is to play those morning games 7-9am, DuoQ, and hide your rating by not reaching the minimum required games each week to appear on the leaderboard. Now this is not a fun way of playing the game as a lot of the players that are good enough to compete for Rank1, etc. just want to play the game. To this end, only a maximum of 5 or so players are actually competing for rank 1 by the end of the season (at least on EU). Additionally, the community outlook on the titles and leaderboad placements is such that no one really cares. Pain (EU) got rank 1 this past season and doesn't even use the title, that should tell you a lot.

    All in all this means that DuoQ is not a detriment to the game from a high level perspective, and well, in a competitive gamemode the high level perspective is the most important one, as its the place that all players should be striving to reach. That may sound callous and harsh, but it is a reality.

  • torben.1532torben.1532 Member ✭✭
    edited August 12, 2019

    I disagree @AngelsShadow.7360

  • Miyu.8137Miyu.8137 Member ✭✭
    Yes

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    In high level play, duoQ actually has very little ability to affect the outcome of games ....

    The leaderboard says quite the opossite. I give you one more example. Look at Ajax for example. Him solo queuing ending in p2/p3. Him duo queuing ending in legendary. I believe Jaw made it once to legendary too only when he duo queued, he never did as solo queuer.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Ben Kappa

    @Chilli.2976 said:

    @JETWING.2759 said:
    Why i can't play with my new comer friend?

    You can, there is Unranked and Stronghold which consists of any team size - so you have this option to play with your friend.

    Lmao...
    There's more competitiveness from NPCs in the PvP lobby than there is those options you mentioned.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Ben Kappa

    I remember when 5-mans were the boogeyman that was just standing in the way of people reaching the ranks they feel they should be at.

    Now all the seasons later, in their minds, it's duo queues messing all that up.

    Anet should go ahead and remove it just for the sheer amusement of seeing what the next excuse players come up with on why they're just not at the ranks they should be at.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    clearly the only way forward is to make ranked 1v1 only.

    Te lazla otstra.

  • yanniell.1236yanniell.1236 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    There is no reason we shouldn't have one 5 man queue and one solo queue in ranked with separated LB.

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2019
    Yes

    @Starbreaker.6507 said:
    I remember when 5-mans were the boogeyman that was just standing in the way of people reaching the ranks they feel they should be at.

    Now all the seasons later, in their minds, it's duo queues messing all that up.

    Anet should go ahead and remove it just for the sheer amusement of seeing what the next excuse players come up with on why they're just not at the ranks they should be at.

    because it's true. i won't list the reasons why you don't see it.
    i got legendary with a duo Q in 2 nights with a winrate of more then 90% and completely reckt all enemy teams, while soloq i can barely make plat 2. because the player base is so low, there's not many people who know how to pvp anymore, and having 2 who know how to play the game(@your rank level) is way better then having 1, often enough the matches are completely one sided and unfun.
    the DuoQ will beat your team one sided, even tho they can be individually inferior to you skill wise, as long as they are better then the rest of your team.

    also you lose like almost 20 points per match because of low player base at high rank doesnt help either.

  • No

    @Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    In high level play, duoQ actually has very little ability to affect the outcome of games with the exception of games around 7-9am. This is because the matchmaking system works and gives you players that are in gold if you're soloQ and in Legend, let alone duoQ. If you want more evidence of this, I would recommend watching Boyce's stream vods from the past season. You will see that despite him being the best mechanical player in the game he cannot carry some games, even when duoQ with other good players.

    Leaderboards without Merged Queues:
    Top 250 maintain 50-70% winrates, very few alt or boosted accounts.

    Leaderboards with merged queues:
    Most the top 250 still retain pretty average winrates, but the very highest players see a dramatic shift. 80-90% Winrates with well over a hundred games played, less than 20 lost. Alt and boosted accounts filling the other very top spots. Bugs make Season13's ratings highly inflated and meaningless.

    To say merged queues don't effect the outcome of games, in a gamemode where they're literally unchecked, within a population that's already too small to stand any semblance of a chance of ever mirroring the higher-rated ones is pretty absurd.

    The matchmaker isn't functional enough at all to operate with DuoQ as it is. When silvers and golds are thrown onto a team with two top players, that isn't in any way at all fair or reasonable. It's not exactly healthy(or even adequately effective judging by the LB) for the game, to throw people several hundred rating below another on the same team just to make up for the disparity they create between their ratings and the population. People tend to play ranked in any game for more fair and more competitive matchmaking to unranked. Not to be treated as gap fillers to what has essentially become a monopolistic farm for a handful of top players.

    You all vastly overestimate the value that DuoQ brings. Now, one thing that cannot be stated enough is the fact that for high level players SoloQ ranked is ridiculously unfun. A lot of you have no idea how it feels to be in plat3/legend and get players significantly lower skilled (not that being bad at the game is terrible, they just shouldn't be matchmade with really good players as its unfair for everyone). It leads to a lot of frustration, and a lot of players quit the game as a result of it before DuoQ for Plat 2+ was reinstated. DuoQ brings some solace with it, because a high leveled player can share the depressing experience with a friend, and it makes it better and less frustrating, even if your chances of winning are equal if not lowered by DuoQ, its more fun.

    I've touched P3 a few times, and I know that feel. Honestly, as an almost exclusively SoloQ player; I actually felt the rating of my teammates was way closer in matchmaking when DuoQ was restricted. With it unrestricted, I could have someone on my team who's a top player; queued with another top player smurfing on a silver, and sniping low-mid level players. The matchmaking is objectively worse in that scenario(Which isn't all that uncommon either, towards the end of a ranked season.)

    It's made the game more boring for me; as someone who really only plays for a competitive rush, when the competition is leagues below me. That fun, my fun is ruined is ruined by DuoQs being forced into my games. I'm only speaking for myself too, and I can't imagine the pressure and disappointment anyone actually playing at the gold or silver level must feel right now. I would not be surprised at all if all this made anyone in our positions quit as well, nor am I going to show even the slightest amount of sympathy when people go threatening to quit when they can't play with friends, because this is how we pay for that.

    Surely you see the hypocrisy there. Nothing makes either side more entitled. Why should one side be forced to quit just so the other can have fun? Arenanet should really just split the queues up and make everyone, but the people abusing it happy. Even those who do abuse DuoQ in every way possible to inflate their ranks and egos, would have to grit their teeth and just accept that.

    I mean it, there really is no reason, none at all; as to why SoloQ players can't have the option to play purely with other SoloQ players. Let Duos and Teams play against other Duos and teams, and let people SoloQ separately against only other SoloQ people in the meantime. Two ways to play ranked, both separate from the other.

    DuoQ as it is, is unacceptable; because that fun you have is at the expense of the fun and competitive experience of the vast majority of other players, and ultimately that's why merged queues need to get gone. They're as much a drain on ranked's population as SoloQ only was.

    You do realise that ArenaNet had stated on multiple occasions that soloQ has a higher winrate than duoQ?

    Where do you see these people with 90% wins in the leaderboard?

    DuoQ doesn't prevent people from soloing. Soloing does however prevent people from duoing.

    The season where they restricted duo for p2+ the games were even more awful because many of the top players just didn't even bother playing ranked that season.
    Also, we don't have the population to be able to split queues.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    You do realise that ArenaNet had stated on multiple occasions that soloQ has a higher winrate than duoQ?

    Where do you see these people with 90% wins in the leaderboard?

    DuoQ doesn't prevent people from soloing. Soloing does however prevent people from duoing.

    The season where they restricted duo for p2+ the games were even more awful because many of the top players just didn't even bother playing ranked that season.
    Also, we don't have the population to be able to split queues.

    you literally contradict yourself, first of all, not true soloq has higher winrate lol.
    second of all, why you think top player didn't bother, because "top player" can't duoQ to the top (now who says soloq has higher winrate)
    btw only way to get to the top of lb right now is duoq, none of those winrates on top LB are maintainable without duoq.
    i can also argue the higher placement they are, the less soloq they do.

  • Yes

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    In high level play, duoQ actually has very little ability to affect the outcome of games with the exception of games around 7-9am. This is because the matchmaking system works and gives you players that are in gold if you're soloQ and in Legend, let alone duoQ. If you want more evidence of this, I would recommend watching Boyce's stream vods from the past season. You will see that despite him being the best mechanical player in the game he cannot carry some games, even when duoQ with other good players.

    Leaderboards without Merged Queues:
    Top 250 maintain 50-70% winrates, very few alt or boosted accounts.

    Leaderboards with merged queues:
    Most the top 250 still retain pretty average winrates, but the very highest players see a dramatic shift. 80-90% Winrates with well over a hundred games played, less than 20 lost. Alt and boosted accounts filling the other very top spots. Bugs make Season13's ratings highly inflated and meaningless.

    To say merged queues don't effect the outcome of games, in a gamemode where they're literally unchecked, within a population that's already too small to stand any semblance of a chance of ever mirroring the higher-rated ones is pretty absurd.

    The matchmaker isn't functional enough at all to operate with DuoQ as it is. When silvers and golds are thrown onto a team with two top players, that isn't in any way at all fair or reasonable. It's not exactly healthy(or even adequately effective judging by the LB) for the game, to throw people several hundred rating below another on the same team just to make up for the disparity they create between their ratings and the population. People tend to play ranked in any game for more fair and more competitive matchmaking to unranked. Not to be treated as gap fillers to what has essentially become a monopolistic farm for a handful of top players.

    You all vastly overestimate the value that DuoQ brings. Now, one thing that cannot be stated enough is the fact that for high level players SoloQ ranked is ridiculously unfun. A lot of you have no idea how it feels to be in plat3/legend and get players significantly lower skilled (not that being bad at the game is terrible, they just shouldn't be matchmade with really good players as its unfair for everyone). It leads to a lot of frustration, and a lot of players quit the game as a result of it before DuoQ for Plat 2+ was reinstated. DuoQ brings some solace with it, because a high leveled player can share the depressing experience with a friend, and it makes it better and less frustrating, even if your chances of winning are equal if not lowered by DuoQ, its more fun.

    I've touched P3 a few times, and I know that feel. Honestly, as an almost exclusively SoloQ player; I actually felt the rating of my teammates was way closer in matchmaking when DuoQ was restricted. With it unrestricted, I could have someone on my team who's a top player; queued with another top player smurfing on a silver, and sniping low-mid level players. The matchmaking is objectively worse in that scenario(Which isn't all that uncommon either, towards the end of a ranked season.)

    It's made the game more boring for me; as someone who really only plays for a competitive rush, when the competition is leagues below me. That fun, my fun is ruined is ruined by DuoQs being forced into my games. I'm only speaking for myself too, and I can't imagine the pressure and disappointment anyone actually playing at the gold or silver level must feel right now. I would not be surprised at all if all this made anyone in our positions quit as well, nor am I going to show even the slightest amount of sympathy when people go threatening to quit when they can't play with friends, because this is how we pay for that.

    Surely you see the hypocrisy there. Nothing makes either side more entitled. Why should one side be forced to quit just so the other can have fun? Arenanet should really just split the queues up and make everyone, but the people abusing it happy. Even those who do abuse DuoQ in every way possible to inflate their ranks and egos, would have to grit their teeth and just accept that.

    I mean it, there really is no reason, none at all; as to why SoloQ players can't have the option to play purely with other SoloQ players. Let Duos and Teams play against other Duos and teams, and let people SoloQ separately against only other SoloQ people in the meantime. Two ways to play ranked, both separate from the other.

    DuoQ as it is, is unacceptable; because that fun you have is at the expense of the fun and competitive experience of the vast majority of other players, and ultimately that's why merged queues need to get gone. They're as much a drain on ranked's population as SoloQ only was.

    You do realise that ArenaNet had stated on multiple occasions that soloQ has a higher winrate than duoQ?

    Where do you see these people with 90% wins in the leaderboard?

    DuoQ doesn't prevent people from soloing. Soloing does however prevent people from duoing.

    The season where they restricted duo for p2+ the games were even more awful because many of the top players just didn't even bother playing ranked that season.
    Also, we don't have the population to be able to split queues.

    DuoQ has lower winrate than SoloQ in lower ratings probably, where it's just 2 friends that wanna casually play together and most likely lose together since they don't even play to win, which makes DuoQ even worse and unhealthy for pvp.

    Top 1-3 have all very high winrate (i'm talking from my EU PoV), Season 16's top 1 and 2 had very close to 90% (Wing and Briseis).

    TL;DR Did the players that didn't play ranked when duoQ were removed came back now that it's back though ?

    That's my alt account btw

  • No

    @Lighter.5631 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    You do realise that ArenaNet had stated on multiple occasions that soloQ has a higher winrate than duoQ?

    Where do you see these people with 90% wins in the leaderboard?

    DuoQ doesn't prevent people from soloing. Soloing does however prevent people from duoing.

    The season where they restricted duo for p2+ the games were even more awful because many of the top players just didn't even bother playing ranked that season.
    Also, we don't have the population to be able to split queues.

    you literally contradict yourself, first of all, not true soloq has higher winrate lol.

    ArenaNet has stated this on multiple occasions, I trust their stats more than your instinct.

    second of all, why you think top player didn't bother, because "top player" can't duoQ to the top (now who says soloq has higher winrate)

    The people at the top are top for a reason. The skillgap between the mAT winners and the rest of the p2 players are enormous. They would be there regardless of duo or not.

    btw only way to get to the top of lb right now is duoq, none of those winrates on top LB are maintainable without duoq.

    Obindo got over 1900 as solo. Boyce reached top 10 numerous times in this last season soloing.

    i can also argue the higher placement they are, the less soloq they do.

    Can you back this up?> @Kamskill.9457 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    In high level play, duoQ actually has very little ability to affect the outcome of games with the exception of games around 7-9am. This is because the matchmaking system works and gives you players that are in gold if you're soloQ and in Legend, let alone duoQ. If you want more evidence of this, I would recommend watching Boyce's stream vods from the past season. You will see that despite him being the best mechanical player in the game he cannot carry some games, even when duoQ with other good players.

    Leaderboards without Merged Queues:
    Top 250 maintain 50-70% winrates, very few alt or boosted accounts.

    Leaderboards with merged queues:
    Most the top 250 still retain pretty average winrates, but the very highest players see a dramatic shift. 80-90% Winrates with well over a hundred games played, less than 20 lost. Alt and boosted accounts filling the other very top spots. Bugs make Season13's ratings highly inflated and meaningless.

    To say merged queues don't effect the outcome of games, in a gamemode where they're literally unchecked, within a population that's already too small to stand any semblance of a chance of ever mirroring the higher-rated ones is pretty absurd.

    The matchmaker isn't functional enough at all to operate with DuoQ as it is. When silvers and golds are thrown onto a team with two top players, that isn't in any way at all fair or reasonable. It's not exactly healthy(or even adequately effective judging by the LB) for the game, to throw people several hundred rating below another on the same team just to make up for the disparity they create between their ratings and the population. People tend to play ranked in any game for more fair and more competitive matchmaking to unranked. Not to be treated as gap fillers to what has essentially become a monopolistic farm for a handful of top players.

    You all vastly overestimate the value that DuoQ brings. Now, one thing that cannot be stated enough is the fact that for high level players SoloQ ranked is ridiculously unfun. A lot of you have no idea how it feels to be in plat3/legend and get players significantly lower skilled (not that being bad at the game is terrible, they just shouldn't be matchmade with really good players as its unfair for everyone). It leads to a lot of frustration, and a lot of players quit the game as a result of it before DuoQ for Plat 2+ was reinstated. DuoQ brings some solace with it, because a high leveled player can share the depressing experience with a friend, and it makes it better and less frustrating, even if your chances of winning are equal if not lowered by DuoQ, its more fun.

    I've touched P3 a few times, and I know that feel. Honestly, as an almost exclusively SoloQ player; I actually felt the rating of my teammates was way closer in matchmaking when DuoQ was restricted. With it unrestricted, I could have someone on my team who's a top player; queued with another top player smurfing on a silver, and sniping low-mid level players. The matchmaking is objectively worse in that scenario(Which isn't all that uncommon either, towards the end of a ranked season.)

    It's made the game more boring for me; as someone who really only plays for a competitive rush, when the competition is leagues below me. That fun, my fun is ruined is ruined by DuoQs being forced into my games. I'm only speaking for myself too, and I can't imagine the pressure and disappointment anyone actually playing at the gold or silver level must feel right now. I would not be surprised at all if all this made anyone in our positions quit as well, nor am I going to show even the slightest amount of sympathy when people go threatening to quit when they can't play with friends, because this is how we pay for that.

    Surely you see the hypocrisy there. Nothing makes either side more entitled. Why should one side be forced to quit just so the other can have fun? Arenanet should really just split the queues up and make everyone, but the people abusing it happy. Even those who do abuse DuoQ in every way possible to inflate their ranks and egos, would have to grit their teeth and just accept that.

    I mean it, there really is no reason, none at all; as to why SoloQ players can't have the option to play purely with other SoloQ players. Let Duos and Teams play against other Duos and teams, and let people SoloQ separately against only other SoloQ people in the meantime. Two ways to play ranked, both separate from the other.

    DuoQ as it is, is unacceptable; because that fun you have is at the expense of the fun and competitive experience of the vast majority of other players, and ultimately that's why merged queues need to get gone. They're as much a drain on ranked's population as SoloQ only was.

    You do realise that ArenaNet had stated on multiple occasions that soloQ has a higher winrate than duoQ?

    Where do you see these people with 90% wins in the leaderboard?

    DuoQ doesn't prevent people from soloing. Soloing does however prevent people from duoing.

    The season where they restricted duo for p2+ the games were even more awful because many of the top players just didn't even bother playing ranked that season.
    Also, we don't have the population to be able to split queues.

    DuoQ has lower winrate than SoloQ in lower ratings probably, where it's just 2 friends that wanna casually play together and most likely lose together since they don't even play to win, which makes DuoQ even worse and unhealthy for pvp.

    Top 1-3 have all very high winrate (i'm talking from my EU PoV), Season 16's top 1 and 2 had very close to 90% (Wing and Briseis).

    TL;DR Did the players that didn't play ranked when duoQ were removed came back now that it's back though ?

    You aren't backing this up with any factual proof.
    Briseis also got the title stripped due to wintrading.
    Yes, a lot of people came back for the seasons after it got reinstated. Not all of them though.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

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