Crab Fear.1624 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 A little brain game, and some working of the imagination bone.Which core trait for your profession seems to be the "elite" or essential trait for most of its meta (or best it can do) builds?I would say that trickery is the thief ELITE spec.Now, after you say what it is, imagine you could not take it when you chose a real ELITE spec.To justify that change, how could the traitline be buffed to be a true ELITE spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I am not a necro player but I know that the answer is Soul Reaping.Not having it would hurt both scourge and reaper a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alatar.7364 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 RevenantHerald traitline..................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issette.3248 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Discipline for warrior... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 @Alatar.7364 said:RevenantHerald traitline.....................................Lol.What about invocation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpretor.3091 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 @Rettan.9603 said:Discipline for warrior... @Rettan.9603 said:Discipline for warrior... Only because of Fast Hands which is hilarious since it’s a minor trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 @Crab Fear.1624 said:@Alatar.7364 said:RevenantHerald traitline.....................................Lol.What about invocation?I'd go invocation honestly, herald trait line kinda sucks only really taken for glint access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Alchemy, engineer. It's been present in literally every meta engineer build since launch. It's just one of the best defensive lines for engineer to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPuppy.8970 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I'd say arcane for ele. Playable without it, but since it's the only reliable source of protection, it hurts not having it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doto.6357 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I think invocation would be the best of the core revenant specs, although devastation isn’t bad. The stun break and cleanse on legend swap and charged mists are just things I rely on at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Elementalist - Water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equinox.1463 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Dueling for Mesmer. It ahs too many QoL and damage modifying traits and damage mitigation traits to not take. It's been in every and all meta mesmer/mirage builds since PoF got out, only contested by Chaos on chronomancer (RIP) until chronomancer got nerfed. Vigor + Bleeding + Fury from only minors, then stealth/damage/damage-mitigation/mitigation/damage-damage/damage/QoL, like litterally the best Mesmer traitline by far. Edit: and nothing should be buffed on Dueling. It could be an elite traitline - wait actually you can play Mesmer with only that traitline and still be at least ok when you're decent at the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.5148 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @sephiroth.4217 said:Elementalist - Water.Fire Weaver would like to have a word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @"LolLookAtMyAP.8394" said:@sephiroth.4217 said:Elementalist - Water.Fire Weaver would like to have a wordI was thinking along the lines of that or arcane but over the 6 or 7 years, Water has been the staple in most builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannir.4132 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Virtues for Guardian.Not taking it doesn't even bother Support Firebrand but would make DPS builds harder to pull off in PvP.DH would be unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foste.3098 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Which ever line boosts the class mechanic, be it by giving shorter cooldowns or additional effects.ele - arcaneengineer-toolswarrior-disciplinenecromancer-soul reapingmesmer-illusionsthief-trickeryrevenant-invocationranger-beast masteryguardian-virtuesThe reason some elite specs seams so busted is because they stack up effects on the class mechanic on top of these core line which also stacks effects on the class mechanic; for example remember the days of frost fire reapers or the skull grinder immortal berzerkers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen.1327 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @"LolLookAtMyAP.8394" said:@sephiroth.4217 said:Elementalist - Water.Fire Weaver would like to have a wordironically i swapped fire for water on the fire weaver and got similar resultsthe damage is there already anyway you can get some extra sustain with wateranyway, for me for ranger is wilderness survival, 100% must for every ranger build :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveMonotony.1479 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @foste.3098 said:Which ever line boosts the class mechanic, be it by giving shorter cooldowns or additional effects.ele - arcaneengineer-toolswarrior-disciplinenecromancer-soul reapingmesmer-illusionsthief-trickeryrevenant-invocationranger-beast masteryguardian-virtuesThe reason some elite specs seams so busted is because they stack up effects on the class mechanic on top of these core line which also stacks effects on the class mechanic; for example remember the days of frost fire reapers or the skull grinder immortal berzerkers? Those should be made full elite specialisations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equinox.1463 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @foste.3098 said:Which ever line boosts the class mechanic, be it by giving shorter cooldowns or additional effects.ele - arcaneengineer-toolswarrior-disciplinenecromancer-soul reapingmesmer-illusionsthief-trickeryrevenant-invocationranger-beast masteryguardian-virtuesThe reason some elite specs seams so busted is because they stack up effects on the class mechanic on top of these core line which also stacks effects on the class mechanic; for example remember the days of frost fire reapers or the skull grinder immortal berzerkers? I mostly agree to your list, but Illusions on Mesmer hasn't seen plays since... well since Condition Carrion Axe/Torch IH Mirage got shut down. Change that to Dueling, which has seenplays on every Mesmer/Mirage build since I can remember, be it chaos sage or one shot mirage or one shot chrono or CI, and the list continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @DigiQWill.6378 said:I mostly agree to your list, but Illusions on Mesmer hasn't seen plays since... well since Condition Carrion Axe/Torch IH Mirage got shut down. Change that to Dueling, which has seenplays on every Mesmer/Mirage build since I can remember, be it chaos sage or one shot mirage or one shot chrono or CI, and the list continues. It's not as much about what everyone takes as much as it's about how much it defines builds. Fast Hands in Warrior Discipline or the Guardian Virtues trait line are good examples, as they heavily influence how you play. I would say Alchemy for engineers is simply just a strong line compared with many weak ones. But having it vs. not doesn't change the play style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Elementalist - Air (Lightning Rod) because staff is unviable in PvP without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Yannir.4132 said:Virtues for Guardian.Not taking it doesn't even bother Support Firebrand but would make DPS builds harder to pull off in PvP.DH would be unplayable.I would argue valor. Imagine not traiting meditations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannir.4132 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:@Yannir.4132 said:Virtues for Guardian.Not taking it doesn't even bother Support Firebrand but would make DPS builds harder to pull off in PvP.DH would be unplayable.I would argue valor. Imagine not traiting meditations. Oh that's a good point. Honestly can't imagine a build without Valor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Even though ranger has been practically pigeon-holed into Wilderness Survival for forever, I have to say Beastmastery. It provides a lot of utility for ranger with pet swap quickness and super speed and a lower cd on pet swap and reduced pet cds. Not to mention increased pet stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Exedore.6320 said:@DigiQWill.6378 said:I mostly agree to your list, but Illusions on Mesmer hasn't seen plays since... well since Condition Carrion Axe/Torch IH Mirage got shut down. Change that to Dueling, which has seenplays on every Mesmer/Mirage build since I can remember, be it chaos sage or one shot mirage or one shot chrono or CI, and the list continues. It's not as much about what everyone takes as much as it's about how much it defines builds. Fast Hands in Warrior Discipline or the Guardian Virtues trait line are good examples, as they heavily influence how you play. I would say Alchemy for engineers is simply just a strong line compared with many weak ones. But having it vs. not doesn't change the play style. I'd argue Deceptive Evasion alone is extremely defining for both current Mirage and much of Mesmer history. It's the Fast Hands equivalent of Mesmer I feel. More so than any one trait in Illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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