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Support Healing and Defensive Warrior Elite Spec idea: Justicar


Knighthonor.4061

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Pistol / Pistol is more suited to a warrior support than any other weapons.Allows you to take a 'comander' like role, sending support to those around ect ect.Also its the only weapon warrior doesnt have, one handed ranged weapons. its in dire need of a 1 hand range weapon!

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@Smoosh.2718 said:Pistol / Pistol is more suited to a warrior support than any other weapons.Allows you to take a 'comander' like role, sending support to those around ect ect.Also its the only weapon warrior doesnt have, one handed ranged weapons. its in dire need of a 1 hand range weapon!

I rather have dual pistol for a Bounty Hunter elite spec. Play a mid range damage and CC role more so than support. I want a adequate alternative option for endgame support on Warrior.

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Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

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@RedShark.9548 said:Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

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@Knighthonor.4061 said:

@RedShark.9548 said:Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

Lorewise, but not even close gameplaywise, and i prefer to get good gameplay over good lore

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Commenting just on the special mechanism because this is the only thing that this e-spec will really have to bear with.

  • 4 burst skills at once is powercreep, it's bound to create imbalance.
  • Warrior is balanced around the idea of spending it's adrenaline in a very specific manner, your idea totally break this balance.
  • Healing in an area for 10% of damage done with a weapon is not good design because it favor offensive stats over support stats.
  • None of your F skill can crit or deal damage, which put some burst traits at odd with these F skills. And necromancer already prove that making core traits behave differently for each e-spec is a bad idea.
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@Knighthonor.4061 said:

@Swagger.1459 said:What do you not get? You could have called your espec “peanut butter and jelly”, but the whole thing reads like it’s a guardian...

Guardian is a Class. Not an Specialization. Guardian has weapons a number of Specializations, a large number of skills.

Justicar has new burst skill replacement that function nothing like Virtues, 6 new skills and a melee staff which guardian also dont have.

again nothing like Guardian besides having powerful support options.

It’s totally like a guardian. Can’t believe you don’t see it.

Its not. Other than being Support oriented its not. Different mechanics. I say closer to Revenant if anything, but with a different method of resource generation.

Read through guardian then read your op

explain it. You keep saying but doing no explaining.

I don’t need to explain anything when you can just read the information provided on the wiki.

Yeah you do. This is a Discussion forum. You explain the stuff you say.

Why should I explain when there is resource material you can read? The wiki explains it all

as I said before. This is a Discussion forum. Thats why

And my discussion is guiding you to actually read the wiki about guardian so you get it...

Are you new to the game or something?

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@Knighthonor.4061 said:

@RedShark.9548 said:Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

They're really not. The Order of Sunspears had a lot of Paragons and was one of the main centers of Paragon training, but Paragons weren't all or even most of the order. Joko banning spears was a symbolic gesture that wouldn't actually have directly affected most of the Sunspears, and Spellbreakers using daggers styled like Sunspear spearpoints is equally symbolic. Nothing in the Spellbreaker skills or traits points to Paragon.

Justiciar, on the other hand, was a title of rank among the White Mantle, usually held by Warriors (Justiciar Agatha in Lake Doric being one exception). There's nothing to indicate that they're support-oriented in this fashion, and I don't think the Pact Commander would want to be associated with that legacy.

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@draxynnic.3719 said:

@RedShark.9548 said:Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

They're really not. The Order of Sunspears had a lot of Paragons and was one of the main centers of Paragon training, but Paragons weren't all or even most of the order. Joko banning spears was a symbolic gesture that wouldn't actually have directly affected most of the Sunspears, and Spellbreakers using daggers styled like Sunspear spearpoints is equally symbolic. Nothing in the Spellbreaker skills or traits points to Paragon.

Justiciar, on the other hand, was a title of rank among the White Mantle, usually held by Warriors (Justiciar Agatha in Lake Doric being one exception). There's nothing to indicate that they're support-oriented in this fashion, and I don't think the Pact Commander would want to be associated with that legacy.

^ This. We can get Paragon. Warrior has shouts that could use augmenting through bringing back echos, arias, and finales from GW1. Think something like when you use a shot an echo affects the recipients where after a few seconds another effect happens, like buffs or healing. Finales would shout like effects that cause the next attack by the recipients do XYZ effects like inflicting burning. Aria's would be a new utility that count as a shout but would have a longer cast time with effects throughout the channel time. Weapon would have to be a staff that gets thrown like a javelin.

A Defense Tactics Paragon would be IMBA... mmmmm IMBAGon…

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@Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

@RedShark.9548 said:Give me scepter, let me throw it like a spear, put a horn or shield in my offhand, give me an eliteshout, give me some new exciting burst mechanic, give me more shouts to choose from (preferably some that enhance dmg or directly impact my enemies, a boon that only i can provide and call me paragon.

Spell Breakers lore wise are Paragons with Daggers as their Spears broke. So dont want double of that.

They're really not. The Order of Sunspears had a lot of Paragons and was one of the main centers of Paragon training, but Paragons weren't all or even most of the order. Joko banning spears was a symbolic gesture that wouldn't actually have directly affected most of the Sunspears, and Spellbreakers using daggers styled like Sunspear spearpoints is equally symbolic. Nothing in the Spellbreaker skills or traits points to Paragon.

Justiciar, on the other hand, was a title of rank among the White Mantle, usually held by Warriors (Justiciar Agatha in Lake Doric being one exception). There's nothing to indicate that they're support-oriented in this fashion, and I don't think the Pact Commander would want to be associated with that legacy.

^ This. We can get Paragon. Warrior has shouts that could use augmenting through bringing back echos, arias, and finales from GW1. Think something like when you use a shot an echo affects the recipients where after a few seconds another effect happens, like buffs or healing. Finales would shout like effects that cause the next attack by the recipients do XYZ effects like inflicting burning. Aria's would be a new utility that count as a shout but would have a longer cast time with effects throughout the channel time. Weapon would have to be a staff that gets thrown like a javelin.

A Defense Tactics Paragon would be IMBA... mmmmm IMBAGon…

Could be interesting if, instead of a straight Paragon, it was something that combined the Elonian paragon with something else.

For instance, we're now moving into the Blood Legion homelands. Could be interesting if, with some of the interaction between the Pact and the Sunspears, there are charr who return to charr territory with leadership and motivational techniques learned from Sunspear Paragons, which is applied with a more modern charr flavour into the training for Legionnaires and other officers. The concept of a one-handed ranged weapon, allowing the wielder to support from a distance while still using a warhorn or shield in the other hand, could then be fulfilled by a pistol.

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Not necessarily. There are already a few warrior offhands that can work with a mainhand pistol, especially if it has skills that make it suitable for a more 'skirmishing' playstyle rather than just sitting at maximum range. I'd be inclined to think that the archetype of such an elite specialisation should be using pistol/warhorn rather than pistol/pistol.

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@draxynnic.3719 said:Not necessarily. There are already a few warrior offhands that can work with a mainhand pistol, especially if it has skills that make it suitable for a more 'skirmishing' playstyle rather than just sitting at maximum range. I'd be inclined to think that the archetype of such an elite specialisation should be using pistol/warhorn rather than pistol/pistol.

I would think either would work depending on the pistol OH skills. Nothing keeping a Pistol/Pistol + Pistol/Warhorn build from happening other than Anet.

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