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@Zaklex.6308 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

You got a source saying they dont have devs working on other projects?

Yes gw2 is their main focus rn but that doesnt mean they arent working on kther stuff, it just mean that the bulk of the company is on gw2.

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@zealex.9410 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

You got a source saying they dont have devs working on other projects?

Yes gw2 is their main focus rn but that doesnt mean they arent working on kther stuff, it just mean that the bulk of the company is on gw2.

Exactly what other projects would they be working on if NCSoft cancelled or suspended all of them...and don't say a mobile version because NCSoft has a separate division that makes/works on all of their mobile games. The numbers just don't add up to them having people working on anything other than just GW2.

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@Zaklex.6308 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

Except the ones who were actually working on GW2 and got laid off.

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@Zaklex.6308 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

You got a source saying they dont have devs working on other projects?

Yes gw2 is their main focus rn but that doesnt mean they arent working on kther stuff, it just mean that the bulk of the company is on gw2.

Exactly what other projects would they be working on if NCSoft cancelled or suspended all of them...and don't say a mobile version because NCSoft as a separate division that makes/works on all of their mobile games. The numbers just don't add up to them having people working on anything other than just GW2.

Where did they say they cancelled or suspended all of them? Where did they say that everyone is working on GW2 now? I'd love to see your source on this.

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@Pifil.5193 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

You got a source saying they dont have devs working on other projects?

Yes gw2 is their main focus rn but that doesnt mean they arent working on kther stuff, it just mean that the bulk of the company is on gw2.

Exactly what other projects would they be working on if NCSoft cancelled or suspended all of them...and don't say a mobile version because NCSoft as a separate division that makes/works on all of their mobile games. The numbers just don't add up to them having people working on anything other than just GW2.

Where did they say they cancelled or suspended
all
of them? Where did they say that everyone is working on GW2 now? I'd love to see your source on this.

Exactly. right now these people are on thier hate train. instead of supporting the game they want the game to crash and burn.

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@knomslayer.9457 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

You got a source saying they dont have devs working on other projects?

Yes gw2 is their main focus rn but that doesnt mean they arent working on kther stuff, it just mean that the bulk of the company is on gw2.

Exactly what other projects would they be working on if NCSoft cancelled or suspended all of them...and don't say a mobile version because NCSoft as a separate division that makes/works on all of their mobile games. The numbers just don't add up to them having people working on anything other than just GW2.

Where did they say they cancelled or suspended
all
of them? Where did they say that everyone is working on GW2 now? I'd love to see your source on this.

Exactly. right now these people are on thier hate train. instead of supporting the game they want the game to crash and burn.

No they think the current state of the game isnt worth supporting, i dont think its worth supporting and im perfectly fine paying for expansions.

Im not gonna buy gemstore skins so they can in turn go and make more of them, sell me content and ill buy it.

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@zealex.9410 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

You got a source saying they dont have devs working on other projects?

Yes gw2 is their main focus rn but that doesnt mean they arent working on kther stuff, it just mean that the bulk of the company is on gw2.

Exactly what other projects would they be working on if NCSoft cancelled or suspended all of them...and don't say a mobile version because NCSoft as a separate division that makes/works on all of their mobile games. The numbers just don't add up to them having people working on anything other than just GW2.

Where did they say they cancelled or suspended
all
of them? Where did they say that everyone is working on GW2 now? I'd love to see your source on this.

Exactly. right now these people are on thier hate train. instead of supporting the game they want the game to crash and burn.

No they think the current state of the game isnt worth supporting, i dont think its worth supporting and im perfectly fine paying for expansions.

Im not gonna buy gemstore skins so they can in turn go and make more of them, sell me content and ill buy it.

if they dont want feel like supporting the game anymore then that is fine but all this angry and hate comments are not neccessary. i am saying if i like something in gemstore i get it at the same time im supporting the game

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Depends on the reason. If they say "why should I pay for this" - then your explanation (in opening post) makes sense. Though there can be "too much". If you want to just enjoy a bit of the game every now and then ... you probably don't need all the gems. Not too uncommon/wrong to feel weird or hesitant about paying for outfits/cosmetics ... or other stuff you won't need too much.

I personally want to try maxizining the stuff I get out of the gameplay - with minimizing the amount of real money I spend. Trying to avoid exchanging gems for gold and vice versa. (So I buy gems for real money unless only 20 or so gems are missing - then I'd exchange a few gold.) Cosmetics are not important. Stuff like revive orbs ... or keys (random stuff from chests + keys are ernable by playing in a limited way) are not important.

On the other hand gathering tools gave such a big convenience (not having to check up on them ... or trying to save coints by using mithril for most stuff and orichalcum for the best and manually switching) - so I got them at sale. Even though it was not planned. Other stuff is Living Story, Bank/Char/Storage/Bag slot expansons. They are either needed (char slots - to get a char for every profession the core slots were not enough; story to be able to play it when you didn't unlock it for free) or for convenience as well.

Not buying too much though - only storage expanders and bank slots as needed. So sales seem enough - to wait for them and grab 1 of each every now and then.


I'm a returning player. Played from release until end of 2013. Then back in June 2019. Still have a lot to catch up. And I try to play a lot. Still not a reason to buy everything just to pump tons of money into the game. I think having to buy the living story 2/3 and most of 4 - while others got it for free (whithout ever complaining - totally fine!) - is a bit more support than very limited paying from the beginning would have given. (Though then again I now can save on expansions. Player that only played totally without gems from release gotten living story for free and bought expansions still might have paid more.)

I mean such sales are to also get new people/attention - and more people buying. Only they know the numbers. They are calculating with different types of players and how much they buy. How much on non discounted price how much waiting for sale. I don't have to feel bad - even though I play tons and pay less than most others.

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@zealex.9410 said:

How on earth or those 2 things even remotely related?I was referring to the point that people keep making by blaming Anet for addicted players not being able to control themselves. Addiction is a strong thing, I get it; however, one should not blame the source of the addiction but rather the individual who is unwilling or unable to control their impulses.

Yeah, 2k and ea releasing full on casinos and lootbox based economies in their games is completely fine and acceptable, its the pesky ppl that suffer from addiction that shouldnt buy those things.

Exactly.

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I would gladly pay for expansions that offer me rewards and challenges.Achievements, skin hunting, etc, is where the sense of accomplishments stem from, and not going on the gemstore to throw money at a skin.If you like spending gems, that's you, no one is gonna say no to that, however their are some of us who enjoy working towards a reward. Tell me why all the good skins are locked behind a paywall? Be it black lion chests or not? I'm sure they can muster up in-game rewards, which in itself would encourage players to go out and play, instead of running the same metas for the same lootbags. The skins that are in-game most of the time now a days are lackluster. Only a few come to mind that are worth getting, and even then they're easy to get and have no tie ins with replay ability, which this game needs.Another example, mount skins. I'm not talking about the ugly flashy skins, I'm referring to the mundane and elegant ones which should have been rewarded to players. Why? The mounts come from the xpac, which itself costs $30. It's not like they came free and justify the paywall which is HIGH for skins.

Basically, yes the game to a sense is free to play, and the gemstore isn't that much of an issue. It's understandable and this is where most of the income is generated. However it does not justify ANET focusing 90% of their time on it, and not rewarding players that want to actually play. An argument could be "Convert your gold" Sure you can, but it still diminished a sense of accomplishment and it's "Brag rights". We all know rewards are the most lackluster thing in GW2 and to any new player, I always see them type in /map "Whats the point of this meta, what is my reward". This is an issue, which I have no idea when will be addressed.

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@kharmin.7683 said:

@"mexifelio.6892" said:

How on earth or those 2 things even remotely related?I was referring to the point that people keep making by blaming Anet for addicted players not being able to control themselves. Addiction is a strong thing, I get it; however, one should not blame the source of the addiction but rather the individual who is unwilling or unable to control their impulses.

Yeah, 2k and ea releasing full on casinos and lootbox based economies in their games is completely fine and acceptable, its the pesky ppl that suffer from addiction that shouldnt buy those things.

Exactly.

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@knomslayer.9457 said:

@Cylokin.2560 said:Skins and outfits aren't new content.

no one said it is. everyone wants content updates, class balance for the game and etc. new outfits and skins are a plus. imagine an update or expansion without new skin and new outfits? i cant im sorry. the game is called Fashion Wars 2 for a reason no memeing

Its called Guild Wars 2 actualy, and i would gladly with all my heart accept an expansion without skins, but that has tons of actual content (new maps, hard world bosses, new raids, dungeons, fractals, elite specs, new pvp game mode, pvp/wvw maps, new wvw siege/mechanics/structures etc.. you name it). We have more than enough skins ingame, repetable content though ?

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@Glider.5792 said:

@Cylokin.2560 said:Skins and outfits aren't new content.

no one said it is. everyone wants content updates, class balance for the game and etc. new outfits and skins are a plus. imagine an update or expansion without new skin and new outfits? i cant im sorry. the game is called Fashion Wars 2 for a reason no memeing

Its called Guild Wars 2 actualy, and i would gladly with all my heart accept an expansion without skins, but that has tons of actual content (new maps, hard world bosses, new raids, dungeons, fractals, elite specs, new pvp game mode, pvp/wvw maps, new wvw siege/mechanics/structures etc.. you name it). We have more than enough skins ingame, repetable content though ?

i agree with you about the expansion. but you are wrong, the content we have right now isnt repeat content, it is repeat content if you play the game 24 hours a day. there is alot to do ingame atm. i also forgot we need new hairstyles

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@knomslayer.9457 said:No, there is no such thing spending too much real life money on the game.There certainly is, any more than you can afford or think it's worth is too much, for me, any more than I've already spent would be too much, until Anet decides to sell anything worth buying (and as skins aren't that for me, that might be a while).

It may well be that spending money on the junk* Anet's selling supports the game, you fail to prove so but I have no strong reason to disbelieve it.But that's just not the relation I, as a customer, wish to have with any company.

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I don't spend money on the game to "support" the game, it ends up supporting it but that is not why I spend it. I only spend it when there is something I want, no other reason on my part. If there is nothing I want in the store, then no money is spent. I do not "worry" about the health of the game or their bottom line, I have my own worries to concern myself with.

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Fun fact: no matter wether the money spent on the gem store ends up directly at Arena.Net or not, supports the aspects of the game one likes or not, only fullfills selfish purposes or not- apperantly Arena.Net doesn't really want our money at all anyway.There are dozens of threads of people struck by some weird TP bug making it impossible to buy gems popping up for over a year , yet Arena.Net refuses to see any fault on their side or their contracting party Digital River Inc. Instead they're forcing costumers that are willing to spend money going through the fuzz of submitting a payment ticket.While I can see the logic behind this when thinking with a IT Service Desk POV, this behavioru is devastating when putting on a salesman POV. And thinking like a salesman with customers wishes in mind is was keeping companies alive after all...Though I'm tempted to start a survey on how many of those who actually gave in to this weird behaviour and submitted a ticket got actually asked for detailled payment informations to solve their issue, I'm pretty sure this would violate some forum rules, so I refrain from doing so.Yet I'm pretty sure, Arena.Net is actually losing a kittenload of money by how they handle this issue for over a year...

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As a long term gw1 player, I can see the writing on the wall. The same thing is happening that happened after Eotn in gw1. Silence. Long term silence.

The lw stories feel like they are trying to bide time while they work on their next game.

The same thing happened in gw1, then they randomly announced gw2.

Gw2 is being shifted into maintenance mode, and you can feel it in several dying game modes.

I primarily play one of those dying game modes. Have spent thousands of dollars on this franchise.

Well, my playing gw2 is going into maintenance mode. I play 2-3 times a week now with the one guild I'm in that isn't dead yet....

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@Pifil.5193 said:

@Simzani.4318 said:That's just half true. Your money will also be used to pay something like most devs working on non-gw2 projects, paying ghost teams like spvp team, fractal team, ui team, wvw team, raid team, engine team, server team, balance team, community team, and also paying the marketing team who will rent a theater to announce nothing and seeks partnership for unrelated products.

There are no teams working on non-GW2 projects, that's exactly what the layoffs where about and what was reiterated after said layoffs...everyone working on something else had been brought back onto GW2.

You got a source saying they don't have devs working on other projects?

Yes gw2 is their main focus rn but that doesn't mean they aren't working on kther stuff, it just mean that the bulk of the company is on gw2.

Exactly what other projects would they be working on if NCSoft cancelled or suspended all of them...and don't say a mobile version because NCSoft as a separate division that makes/works on all of their mobile games. The numbers just don't add up to them having people working on anything other than just GW2.

Where did they say they cancelled or suspended
all
of them? Where did they say that everyone is working on GW2 now? I'd love to see your source on this.

See the article attached in the quote below...you could also search and read every other article that was posted near the time of the layoffs and they all said the same thing...NCSoft cancelled all of ArenaNets other projects.

@"c space cowboy.2764" said:https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-02-21-arenanet-reportedly-bracing-for-mass-layoffs

Ncsoft canceled all of anets non gw2 projects and put everyone on gw2, supposedly.

@Cylokin.2560 said:Skins and outfits aren't new content.

That's technically incorrect, anything that is added to a computer game is literally content, by definition of the word. Now whether or not that is content we like is a matter of opinion, but to say it's not content is false.

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