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5 soulbeast vs 20 players is that working as intended?

SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭
edited September 4, 2019 in WvW

Sounds like a cry but i wanna know and learn that, how they are just tanking and killing everyone at the enemy keep with only 5 people? they can simple tank everyone and dont receive any dmg at all, l i was receiving 4k dmg+ with 3800 of toughness, even the sieges can't dmg them at all, how they can tank and hit like that? if for some reason you really outnumber them they can just run like they are out of combat with a mount, is this class just broken at wvw?
if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?
they aren't even dodging they can just tank receiving like 200 dmg from everyone, first i thought that was my fb hitting too low, then i changed to my deadeye full zerk and they received like 500 dmg from him kitten

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  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    yes it is totaly broken class. But you will be miss and have nostalgia to any soulbeast after meeting with skilled warrior who can solo pressure 6-12 players.
    Also you can on wvw find broken mesmers, thiefs, elems, fb, and revenants ... Be careful and use tp to waypoint asap.

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Does your keep happen to be in red corner? If so I probably know who it is lol.

  • ashpenny.3201ashpenny.3201 Member ✭✭
    edited September 4, 2019

    @Voltekka.2375 said:
    Ohkaaay, so you tell me that 20 people couldnt bomb and chain cc ONE soulbeast at a time? Or did you just use random skills all the time, while people stacked on lord practicing their pve rotations?
    Soulbeast is OP, sure, bit in this particular case, seems like this is a l2p issue.

    Soalbeast can get out of combat just like engie/thief/mesmer. With beastmode +owl. They often stealth too, it's a rotation that people don't keep up with and when there is 4 others all juggling it can be very chaotic.

  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you didn't have a good necro in your group to corrupt all their boons, it is going to be very hard killing boonbeasts.
    Which is why Necros should almost always be targeted first in a small scale fight because their corrupts can really mess up not just boonbeasts, but almost every other class.
    Not to mention that most Necros are not good enough to survive focus fire in a small group (myself included).
    Good Necros who kite and position well in a small group are extremely rare.

    vT's Hobo is one of the very good ones.
    His recent Scourge small scale vids here if you're interested.
    Very high level stuff from him.
    He is the type of Necro you need in your group to keel those boonbeasts.

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  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2019

    20 clueless randoms against a well organised on voice comms group of 5 almost anything and the 5 anything will run rings around the clueless inside a keep.

    what siege did you use? standard ac?

    Two superior ballistas fired at same time just after some nice corrupts and it's goodbye to that group. Or just focusing 101. Tickling them when they have massive regen and huge damage reduction isn't going to get you anywhere.

    It does serve to illustrate two things: balance in the game is laughable, and secondly a well organised small party still works in wvw. I saw a very good one the other week consisting mainly of thiefs and mesmers and engi who were almost impossible to kill yet were spiking down target after target...whilst mostly being invisible.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2019

    The same U can achieve with 5 scrappers well not against 20.... but against 10 it’s doable.

  • Optimator.3589Optimator.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DemonSeed.3528 said:

    Does your keep happen to be in red corner? If so I probably know who it is lol.

    Most likely you're thinking of the same ppl I am. Quick and his band of merry IE mongoloids.

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  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A buddy of mine calls them Exploitbeasts lol.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2019

    Lol no ones talking about soulbeast being strong after its considerable nerfs until anet brings up the nerf to autos lmao. The players of this game are so predictable it's sad. So cuz anet brought up nerfing something in their pre notes alot of slb is broken or op post will surface lol maybe soon itl get nerfed to druid state and basically unused, than we can jump to another spec and another spec until all classes but a few are viable and then we can all complain about a stale meta always including the same classes lmao. No wonder games dying, anet gets some decent help with its players who dont want to bother to learn to play. Yeah there is some overturned specs in this game but at this point soulbeast definitely isnt one of them. When's last time it was frequently picked for wvw meta or even high level conquest? Lol yeah soulbeast is a nightmare for people who stand there and eat all hits from rapid fire,those definitely are the people we should be balancing towards right? Lol ok. So this OP has issues with soulbeast but does he see issues with fb,scourge and rev etc? Maybe we should try opting for changes to the modes by changing actual specs that are dominant in each mode so we can get a change in meta and maybe get rid of this pirate ship kitten. If anet keeps focusing on nerfs specs that are anoying to bad players and not the fotm specs that are actually op (that most the complainers are usually playing) than this games pvp just gonna sink deeper and deeper. Its probably already sank to far anyway. And lastly there is no spec in this game that's so op or broken 2 or at most 3 people can't kill that one spec unless the person is a far far better player than the other 2 or 3 players,like way better lol. The problem lies in the group of 20 if they couldn't take down a group of 5 of any class or spec that's without a doubt.

  • It really angers me when players just assume things will die when spamming kitten off cd...
    So few players seem to think that changing up utilities for maximum lock down on a single player isnt an option. People really gotta learn how to swap between aoe focus and single target focus... And to notice when some1 else focuses a single foe so u can help him out.
    Cmon people use ur eyes and ur brain

    If i was on my engi id hone in on one of the soul beast and use magnet, reavels, ccs, whatever to make him waste cds and try to get him away from his group. All classes have skills to lock down some1 but u just gotta let go of that zerg mentality ( and the zerg build)

  • Taobella.6597Taobella.6597 Member ✭✭✭

    if 5 of any class beat 20 people prop to them

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2019

    12 can beat 2 guilds :)

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Lol no ones talking about soulbeast being strong after its considerable nerfs until anet brings up the nerf to autos lmao. The players of this game are so predictable it's sad. So cuz anet brought up nerfing something in their pre notes alot of slb is broken or op post will surface lol maybe soon itl get nerfed to druid state and basically unused, than we can jump to another spec and another spec until all classes but a few are viable and then we can all complain about a stale meta always including the same classes lmao. No wonder games dying, anet gets some decent help with its players who dont want to bother to learn to play. Yeah there is some overturned specs in this game but at this point soulbeast definitely isnt one of them. When's last time it was frequently picked for wvw meta or even high level conquest? Lol yeah soulbeast is a nightmare for people who stand there and eat all hits from rapid fire,those definitely are the people we should be balancing towards right? Lol ok. So this OP has issues with soulbeast but does he see issues with fb,scourge and rev etc? Maybe we should try opting for changes to the modes by changing actual specs that are dominant in each mode so we can get a change in meta and maybe get rid of this pirate ship kitten. If anet keeps focusing on nerfs specs that are anoying to bad players and not the fotm specs that are actually op (that most the complainers are usually playing) than this games pvp just gonna sink deeper and deeper. Its probably already sank to far anyway. And lastly there is no spec in this game that's so op or broken 2 or at most 3 people can't kill that one spec unless the person is a far far better player than the other 2 or 3 players,like way better lol. The problem lies in the group of 20 if they couldn't take down a group of 5 of any class or spec that's without a doubt.

    we found a soulbeast guys!!
    im talking about wvw, at spvp they are very balanced to me, i just wanted to know how they did that and sorry but killing everyone in 2 skills and taking 200 dmg is not about a l2p issue, its about balance issues

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Lol no ones talking about soulbeast being strong after its considerable nerfs until anet brings up the nerf to autos lmao. The players of this game are so predictable it's sad. So cuz anet brought up nerfing something in their pre notes alot of slb is broken or op post will surface lol maybe soon itl get nerfed to druid state and basically unused, than we can jump to another spec and another spec until all classes but a few are viable and then we can all complain about a stale meta always including the same classes lmao. No wonder games dying, anet gets some decent help with its players who dont want to bother to learn to play. Yeah there is some overturned specs in this game but at this point soulbeast definitely isnt one of them. When's last time it was frequently picked for wvw meta or even high level conquest? Lol yeah soulbeast is a nightmare for people who stand there and eat all hits from rapid fire,those definitely are the people we should be balancing towards right? Lol ok. So this OP has issues with soulbeast but does he see issues with fb,scourge and rev etc? Maybe we should try opting for changes to the modes by changing actual specs that are dominant in each mode so we can get a change in meta and maybe get rid of this pirate ship kitten. If anet keeps focusing on nerfs specs that are anoying to bad players and not the fotm specs that are actually op (that most the complainers are usually playing) than this games pvp just gonna sink deeper and deeper. Its probably already sank to far anyway. And lastly there is no spec in this game that's so op or broken 2 or at most 3 people can't kill that one spec unless the person is a far far better player than the other 2 or 3 players,like way better lol. The problem lies in the group of 20 if they couldn't take down a group of 5 of any class or spec that's without a doubt.

    we found a soulbeast guys!!
    im talking about wvw, at spvp they are very balanced to me, i just wanted to know how they did that and sorry but killing everyone in 2 skills and taking 200 dmg is not about a l2p issue, its about balance issues

    What class do you play, maybe I can help?

    I can 1v2 soulbeasts as a Reaper which should be a losing match up for me even in a 1v1.

    post your class, or complain, up to you.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2019

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Lol no ones talking about soulbeast being strong after its considerable nerfs until anet brings up the nerf to autos lmao. The players of this game are so predictable it's sad. So cuz anet brought up nerfing something in their pre notes alot of slb is broken or op post will surface lol maybe soon itl get nerfed to druid state and basically unused, than we can jump to another spec and another spec until all classes but a few are viable and then we can all complain about a stale meta always including the same classes lmao. No wonder games dying, anet gets some decent help with its players who dont want to bother to learn to play. Yeah there is some overturned specs in this game but at this point soulbeast definitely isnt one of them. When's last time it was frequently picked for wvw meta or even high level conquest? Lol yeah soulbeast is a nightmare for people who stand there and eat all hits from rapid fire,those definitely are the people we should be balancing towards right? Lol ok. So this OP has issues with soulbeast but does he see issues with fb,scourge and rev etc? Maybe we should try opting for changes to the modes by changing actual specs that are dominant in each mode so we can get a change in meta and maybe get rid of this pirate ship kitten. If anet keeps focusing on nerfs specs that are anoying to bad players and not the fotm specs that are actually op (that most the complainers are usually playing) than this games pvp just gonna sink deeper and deeper. Its probably already sank to far anyway. And lastly there is no spec in this game that's so op or broken 2 or at most 3 people can't kill that one spec unless the person is a far far better player than the other 2 or 3 players,like way better lol. The problem lies in the group of 20 if they couldn't take down a group of 5 of any class or spec that's without a doubt.

    we found a soulbeast guys!!
    im talking about wvw, at spvp they are very balanced to me, i just wanted to know how they did that and sorry but killing everyone in 2 skills and taking 200 dmg is not about a l2p issue, its about balance issues

    Lol I will not lie I love me some slb but I've wrecked a many while playing thief and have been destroyed by many but such as it goes lol. I definitely wouldn't consider slb one of the OP specs when considering what's floating around in game these days.

  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Lol no ones talking about soulbeast being strong after its considerable nerfs until anet brings up the nerf to autos lmao. The players of this game are so predictable it's sad. So cuz anet brought up nerfing something in their pre notes alot of slb is broken or op post will surface lol maybe soon itl get nerfed to druid state and basically unused, than we can jump to another spec and another spec until all classes but a few are viable and then we can all complain about a stale meta always including the same classes lmao. No wonder games dying, anet gets some decent help with its players who dont want to bother to learn to play. Yeah there is some overturned specs in this game but at this point soulbeast definitely isnt one of them. When's last time it was frequently picked for wvw meta or even high level conquest? Lol yeah soulbeast is a nightmare for people who stand there and eat all hits from rapid fire,those definitely are the people we should be balancing towards right? Lol ok. So this OP has issues with soulbeast but does he see issues with fb,scourge and rev etc? Maybe we should try opting for changes to the modes by changing actual specs that are dominant in each mode so we can get a change in meta and maybe get rid of this pirate ship kitten. If anet keeps focusing on nerfs specs that are anoying to bad players and not the fotm specs that are actually op (that most the complainers are usually playing) than this games pvp just gonna sink deeper and deeper. Its probably already sank to far anyway. And lastly there is no spec in this game that's so op or broken 2 or at most 3 people can't kill that one spec unless the person is a far far better player than the other 2 or 3 players,like way better lol. The problem lies in the group of 20 if they couldn't take down a group of 5 of any class or spec that's without a doubt.

    we found a soulbeast guys!!
    im talking about wvw, at spvp they are very balanced to me, i just wanted to know how they did that and sorry but killing everyone in 2 skills and taking 200 dmg is not about a l2p issue, its about balance issues

    Lol I will not lie I love me some slb but I've wrecked a many while playing thief and have been destroyed by many but such as it goes lol. I definitely wouldn't consider slb one of the OP specs when considering what's floating around in game these days.

    im not talking about every soulbeast im talking about that group in particular

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Real problem covered up as usual, but we'll continue to cry in these forums about balance.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Lol no ones talking about soulbeast being strong after its considerable nerfs until anet brings up the nerf to autos lmao. The players of this game are so predictable it's sad. So cuz anet brought up nerfing something in their pre notes alot of slb is broken or op post will surface lol maybe soon itl get nerfed to druid state and basically unused, than we can jump to another spec and another spec until all classes but a few are viable and then we can all complain about a stale meta always including the same classes lmao. No wonder games dying, anet gets some decent help with its players who dont want to bother to learn to play. Yeah there is some overturned specs in this game but at this point soulbeast definitely isnt one of them. When's last time it was frequently picked for wvw meta or even high level conquest? Lol yeah soulbeast is a nightmare for people who stand there and eat all hits from rapid fire,those definitely are the people we should be balancing towards right? Lol ok. So this OP has issues with soulbeast but does he see issues with fb,scourge and rev etc? Maybe we should try opting for changes to the modes by changing actual specs that are dominant in each mode so we can get a change in meta and maybe get rid of this pirate ship kitten. If anet keeps focusing on nerfs specs that are anoying to bad players and not the fotm specs that are actually op (that most the complainers are usually playing) than this games pvp just gonna sink deeper and deeper. Its probably already sank to far anyway. And lastly there is no spec in this game that's so op or broken 2 or at most 3 people can't kill that one spec unless the person is a far far better player than the other 2 or 3 players,like way better lol. The problem lies in the group of 20 if they couldn't take down a group of 5 of any class or spec that's without a doubt.

    we found a soulbeast guys!!
    im talking about wvw, at spvp they are very balanced to me, i just wanted to know how they did that and sorry but killing everyone in 2 skills and taking 200 dmg is not about a l2p issue, its about balance issues

    Lol I will not lie I love me some slb but I've wrecked a many while playing thief and have been destroyed by many but such as it goes lol. I definitely wouldn't consider slb one of the OP specs when considering what's floating around in game these days.

    im not talking about every soulbeast im talking about that group in particular

    Oh lol my bad,dry I miss understood. Yeah I've seen alot of shady stuff over the yrs, perms swiftness, what looks like crazy dps reduction permanently, macro's etc etc

  • You break that SB group like you do any coordinated 5 man group. You time your corrupts and cc, then nuke one at a time with coordinated bursts.

    Rangers are weak to CC punish them for it.

  • KeyOrion.9506KeyOrion.9506 Member ✭✭✭

    Is this another God kitten cry about how "Rangers are overpowered..." the builds you described are NOT well received, or used by the majority of the community. I'm going against Warriors with extended invulns and counting up to 12-14 seconds of INVULNERABILITY AGAINST those same warriors. I'm going against Engineers with perma knockdowns, and then a nuclear blast , where you can't even get on your kitten feet for less than one second after you use an escape skill. I don't even want to HEAR about how ranger's are overpowered. Firebrand/Scourge salt of the earth Field BURN?! I'm at a loss of why you all believe that RANGERS are overpowered. I DO NOT SEE IT. The kitten server commanders in NA do NOT see it! Seriously!? If your solo, uplevel, or just started playing wvw...I have only one piece of Jade Quarry advice for you. NEVER HUNT ALONE!

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hitman.5829 said:
    I am not going to give the build here or else people are going to abuse it more that it already is being abused. If you want to do your own research look at the wiki page on damage reduction

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  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well I finally saw somebody stating that ranger is the most OP class in WvW. Must be why it is so popular and asked in every single squad.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    Sounds like a cry but i wanna know and learn that, how they are just tanking and killing everyone at the enemy keep with only 5 people? they can simple tank everyone and dont receive any dmg at all, l i was receiving 4k dmg+ with 3800 of toughness, even the sieges can't dmg them at all, how they can tank and hit like that? if for some reason you really outnumber them they can just run like they are out of combat with a mount, is this class just broken at wvw?
    if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?
    they aren't even dodging they can just tank receiving like 200 dmg from everyone, first i thought that was my fb hitting too low, then i changed to my deadeye full zerk and they received like 500 dmg from him kitten

    2 Good necros could have wrecked them.
    But I guess it's easier to nerfbait on the forums than l2p

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2019

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    Sounds like a cry but i wanna know and learn that, how they are just tanking and killing everyone at the enemy keep with only 5 people? they can simple tank everyone and dont receive any dmg at all, l i was receiving 4k dmg+ with 3800 of toughness, even the sieges can't dmg them at all, how they can tank and hit like that? if for some reason you really outnumber them they can just run like they are out of combat with a mount, is this class just broken at wvw?
    if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?
    they aren't even dodging they can just tank receiving like 200 dmg from everyone, first i thought that was my fb hitting too low, then i changed to my deadeye full zerk and they received like 500 dmg from him kitten

    2 Good necros could have wrecked them.
    But I guess it's easier to nerfbait on the forums than l2p

    wich makes me wonder what kinda of classes the supoised 20 players had :\ wvw is full of scourges and firebrands....

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    Sounds like a cry but i wanna know and learn that, how they are just tanking and killing everyone at the enemy keep with only 5 people? they can simple tank everyone and dont receive any dmg at all, l i was receiving 4k dmg+ with 3800 of toughness, even the sieges can't dmg them at all, how they can tank and hit like that? if for some reason you really outnumber them they can just run like they are out of combat with a mount, is this class just broken at wvw?
    if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?
    they aren't even dodging they can just tank receiving like 200 dmg from everyone, first i thought that was my fb hitting too low, then i changed to my deadeye full zerk and they received like 500 dmg from him kitten

    2 Good necros could have wrecked them.
    But I guess it's easier to nerfbait on the forums than l2p

    wich makes me wonder what kinda of classes the supoised 20 players had :\ wvw is full of scourges and firebrands....

    The fact the OP was concentrating on hitting with his Firebrand, or flexing about a full zerk deadeye tells you much of what you need to know about this post.

  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    Sounds like a cry but i wanna know and learn that, how they are just tanking and killing everyone at the enemy keep with only 5 people? they can simple tank everyone and dont receive any dmg at all, l i was receiving 4k dmg+ with 3800 of toughness, even the sieges can't dmg them at all, how they can tank and hit like that? if for some reason you really outnumber them they can just run like they are out of combat with a mount, is this class just broken at wvw?
    if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?
    they aren't even dodging they can just tank receiving like 200 dmg from everyone, first i thought that was my fb hitting too low, then i changed to my deadeye full zerk and they received like 500 dmg from him kitten

    2 Good necros could have wrecked them.
    But I guess it's easier to nerfbait on the forums than l2p

    wich makes me wonder what kinda of classes the supoised 20 players had :\ wvw is full of scourges and firebrands....

    The fact the OP was concentrating on hitting with his Firebrand, or flexing about a full zerk deadeye tells you much of what you need to know about this post.

    not sure if serious or just troll, im talking about soulbeasts with high dmg and high defense at same time, they could hit my fb with 3800 toughness and kill me in like 1 second and could tank my deadeye rifle full zerk like he was nothing i was doing like 500-700 dmg per hit, do you even know much dmg a deadeye full zerk can hit other classes?

  • Taobella.6597Taobella.6597 Member ✭✭✭

    let not kid are self if 5 zerker ranger barrage at same time i could see it taking down a pug 20 group lol.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    Sounds like a cry but i wanna know and learn that, how they are just tanking and killing everyone at the enemy keep with only 5 people? they can simple tank everyone and dont receive any dmg at all, l i was receiving 4k dmg+ with 3800 of toughness, even the sieges can't dmg them at all, how they can tank and hit like that? if for some reason you really outnumber them they can just run like they are out of combat with a mount, is this class just broken at wvw?
    if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?
    they aren't even dodging they can just tank receiving like 200 dmg from everyone, first i thought that was my fb hitting too low, then i changed to my deadeye full zerk and they received like 500 dmg from him kitten

    2 Good necros could have wrecked them.
    But I guess it's easier to nerfbait on the forums than l2p

    wich makes me wonder what kinda of classes the supoised 20 players had :\ wvw is full of scourges and firebrands....

    The fact the OP was concentrating on hitting with his Firebrand, or flexing about a full zerk deadeye tells you much of what you need to know about this post.

    not sure if serious or just troll, im talking about soulbeasts with high dmg and high defense at same time, they could hit my fb with 3800 toughness and kill me in like 1 second and could tank my deadeye rifle full zerk like he was nothing i was doing like 500-700 dmg per hit, do you even know much dmg a deadeye full zerk can hit other classes?

    So, based on this and one of your earlier posts it would appear (though I am inferring here) that you believe something nefarious was going on. NOT that soulbeast is overtuned, but that these five maybe were doing something that would skirt the rules?

    If that is the case, come out and say it please. You haven’t named names nor should you, but the bulk of the responses are being aimed at you as if you feel Soulbeast is overtuned.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    Sounds like a cry but i wanna know and learn that, how they are just tanking and killing everyone at the enemy keep with only 5 people? they can simple tank everyone and dont receive any dmg at all, l i was receiving 4k dmg+ with 3800 of toughness, even the sieges can't dmg them at all, how they can tank and hit like that? if for some reason you really outnumber them they can just run like they are out of combat with a mount, is this class just broken at wvw?
    if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?
    they aren't even dodging they can just tank receiving like 200 dmg from everyone, first i thought that was my fb hitting too low, then i changed to my deadeye full zerk and they received like 500 dmg from him kitten

    2 Good necros could have wrecked them.
    But I guess it's easier to nerfbait on the forums than l2p

    wich makes me wonder what kinda of classes the supoised 20 players had :\ wvw is full of scourges and firebrands....

    The fact the OP was concentrating on hitting with his Firebrand, or flexing about a full zerk deadeye tells you much of what you need to know about this post.

    not sure if serious or just troll, im talking about soulbeasts with high dmg and high defense at same time, they could hit my fb with 3800 toughness and kill me in like 1 second and could tank my deadeye rifle full zerk like he was nothing i was doing like 500-700 dmg per hit, do you even know much dmg a deadeye full zerk can hit other classes?

    So, based on this and one of your earlier posts it would appear (though I am inferring here) that you believe something nefarious was going on. NOT that soulbeast is overtuned, but that these five maybe were doing something that would skirt the rules?

    If that is the case, come out and say it please. You haven’t named names nor should you, but the bulk of the responses are being aimed at you as if you feel Soulbeast is overtuned.

    not really, they probably discovered a build to synergy high defense with high dmg and shared to each other, so they could camp the respawn and kill everyone, but if a build like that exists they should be nerfed, i just saw one of them afk at the guards(keep) and was receiving no dmg at all from them, im not talking about every soulbeast, im talking about that mysterious setup, i know that i could have used shields and i used it so they just changed to gs and leap killed everyone, im not talking about 1v1 here though, it was a 5v20+ and when everyone zerged them they just runned away on foot like a mount even with slows and cc

  • Revolution.5409Revolution.5409 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2019

    I'd be curious to see some screens or videos about it. If possible :)

    In any case, I don't find anything strange, a group coordinated with optimized build and discord can eliminate a group of 20 people if they don't have a minimum of coordination and random builds.

  • Need some necromancers. They shred them to pieces. If they get away, don't chase. They will heal and attack again while you are still in combat. If they run, go in opposite direction until you heal ooc. Do what they do.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I lost a 20v5, please fix my build and tactics.
    Oh wait, forgot this is gw2 forum for a second..

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2019

    @SeikeNz.3526 said:
    if someone make tank build they are supposed to hit like that?

    Alot of classes can do that, including yours. Guardians are also a good boon-globe class on a whole swath of different stats. It also has the ability to run a number of other builds which they can achieve similar things with if you group up and coordinate with some other players who are able to tie their own shoelaces. Five boon-Guards can smash things, five burn-Guards can smash things and five burst-Guards can smash things. It's all about a little know-how.

    The problem with the game/mode these days is that the players with a little know-how are getting exceedingly rare and very drowned out on these forums.

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Haven't actually tried a CI condi cheese Mirage vs. one of those, but I suspect it might be an effective counter.

  • SeikeNz.3526SeikeNz.3526 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben K.6238 said:
    Haven't actually tried a CI condi cheese Mirage vs. one of those, but I suspect it might be an effective counter.

    they are immune to condi so that will not work

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ranger has access to reasonable condi clear and limited resistance, but it's not outright immune.

    And unfortunately, with the current state of balance, the answer to condi clear is just use even more condi.

  • Straegen.2938Straegen.2938 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 10, 2019

    I assume this is IE and it is because I wasn't there... they know... they know. [said in my best fat Thor voice]

    Seriously though, get a couple deadeyes running Binding Shadow targeting the same player (typically the ax variant they run). Watch IE get wrecked before they can jump in the water and abuse yet another broken skill set (which has been broken since release).

    Their entire shtick is to run tanky versions as bait with their long range pew pew dropping players that get injured. Jump in water if a fight turns south.

  • Pretty sure no 20+ people ever got beaten by 5 longbow rangers... ever. There just too much projectile hate, gap closers and stealth in the game for it to really happen as OP states. Would be good to see a video of this happening tho.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Abyssisis.3971 said:
    Pretty sure no 20+ people ever got beaten by 5 longbow rangers... ever. There just too much projectile hate, gap closers and stealth in the game for it to really happen as OP states. Would be good to see a video of this happening tho.

    If they are used...

    Put a clothespin on your nose and go do some world Meta in PvE and watch them not have a clue about how to CC something..

    There was a thread in the PvE section by someone asking ‘what good is Taunt’..

    I have no doubt that a group of 20 people that don’t know how to organize in ANY way got farmed by a coordinated group that called targets and slowly whittled people down.

    There is a growing subset of WvW players that both have no clue, and have no interest in finding a clue...

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sneakytails.5629 said:
    You break that SB group like you do any coordinated 5 man group. You time your corrupts and cc, then nuke one at a time with coordinated bursts.

    Rangers are weak to CC punish them for it.

    This. I run a lot of toons, but Slb ranger is one and have run a havoc of them at times. When you are calling targets and sharing stances you can drop targets fast. But they only have so much stab so pull one out, CC it and kill it, then next. As far as balanced, still ask yourself, why are they not wanted in zergs...so you know they are off balance when you see squads calling out they need more rangers. But that's not today, else we wouldn't have a necro problem since they are close to a hard block to necros. Or at least that's what I have my rangers focus down first.

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Abyssisis.3971 said:
    Pretty sure no 20+ people ever got beaten by 5 longbow rangers... ever. There just too much projectile hate, gap closers and stealth in the game for it to really happen as OP states. Would be good to see a video of this happening tho.

    If they are used...

    Put a clothespin on your nose and go do some world Meta in PvE and watch them not have a clue about how to CC something..

    There was a thread in the PvE section by someone asking ‘what good is Taunt’..

    I have no doubt that a group of 20 people that don’t know how to organize in ANY way got farmed by a coordinated group that called targets and slowly whittled people down.

    There is a growing subset of WvW players that both have no clue, and have no interest in finding a clue...

    Now about Col Soulbeast, in the borderland, with a longbow. Too true.

    Agree in anycase a well organised long range group will have a significant edge over a pug group. A group of deadeyes all running vemonshares could probably do the same and have better options of falling back.

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
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  • I saw 15 Charr Guardians take on a total of 60 players. Sometimes it comes down to quality not quantity. The 15 Charr Guardians won. The only time we started beating them, is when I called out single T to Target and we whittled them down one by one by one. There's always a tactic or a counter. Sometimes overwhelming firepower on a single target is what it takes. Some of this Permaboon 5 man squads in a zerg….is just one big overlapping overpowered healing shield, invuln, reflect. Although :) I do like the idea of Soulbeasts in large groups kicking all your butts. Allied or enemy. Gives me confidence in ranger overall.

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