Think about this: historically what are the two legends of Revenant Rylock Brimstone...?

[Knighthonor.4061]

I was thinking about this and something people said in the other thread on Necromancer Shield. They said Anet hinted at stuff ahead of time like Greatswords for Necromancer.

Well think about something for a moment. Rylock introduced the class to the player characters.

But what are the two legends of Rylock?

1)Legend Glint&2)Legend Balthazar (his first Legend)

Well we don't have Balthazar legend ourselves, but we do have Glint...

In the recent LW5 "ONCE AGAIN" we see Rylock go Two Hander with his "Flaming Sword", Sohothin, which use to be Balthazar's Sword,,, hint hunt....

Yeah but hey. Cool game....

[Fueki.4753]

Let's not give Revenant a Greatsword.

Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Necromancer and Mesmer all have greatswords.Five out of nine classes are enough.

[Buran.3796]

@Fueki.4753 said:Let's not give Revenant a Greatsword.

Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Necromancer and Mesmer all have greatswords.Five out of nine classes are enough.

And? Sword was at the begining in 6/8 and currently can be wielded by 8/9. Do you think that is better to get instead some uninteresting off hand weapon which ends used by nobody as currently happens with the shield? A couple of skills with no impact in rotation to provide 0 chages in or stagnated gameplay? Maybe a focus or a torch to pile in the growing stack of Rev's weaponry getting dust & rust? Also, you're talking as everyone of those greatswords work the same, when in GW2 skills are class specific, not weapon linked. So far they can make greatswords which shoots ranged hula-hoops...

[Ultramex.1506]

@Buran.3796 said:

@Fueki.4753 said:Let's not give Revenant a Greatsword.

Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Necromancer and Mesmer all have greatswords.Five out of nine classes are enough.

And? Sword was at the begining in 6/8 and currently can be wielded by 8/9. Do you think that is better to get instead some uninteresting off hand weapon which ends used by nobody as currently happens with the shield? A couple of skills with no impact in rotation to provide 0 chages in or stagnated gameplay? Maybe a focus or a torch to pile in the growing stack of Rev's weaponry getting dust & rust? Also, you're talking as everyone of those greatswords work the same, when in GW2 skills are class specific, not weapon linked. So far they can make greatswords which shoots ranged hula-hoops...

Indeed so i'm curious how is Rev gonna use greatsword? Would they be a discount of Reaper? They both share death/spirit related design.

[Knighthonor.4061]

@Ultramex.1506 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@Fueki.4753 said:Let's not give Revenant a Greatsword.

Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Necromancer and Mesmer all have greatswords.Five out of nine classes are enough.

And? Sword was at the begining in 6/8 and currently can be wielded by 8/9. Do you think that is better to get instead some uninteresting off hand weapon which ends used by nobody as currently happens with the shield? A couple of skills with no impact in rotation to provide 0 chages in or stagnated gameplay? Maybe a focus or a torch to pile in the growing stack of Rev's weaponry getting dust & rust? Also, you're talking as everyone of those greatswords work the same, when in GW2 skills are class specific, not weapon linked. So far they can make greatswords which shoots ranged hula-hoops...

Indeed so i'm curious how is Rev gonna use greatsword? Would they be a discount of Reaper? They both share death/spirit related design.

Depends on the Legend. Revenant is not Death Knight. That's Necromancer. Revenant deal with Mist magic which can be death and destruction like Demon Legend/ShiroOr of positive and life, like Dwarf and Ventari.

So depends on legend. Balthazar for example is God of fire and war and all sort of crazy stuff he done in the last LW. So no telling how a Balthazar legend greatsword would work. But I assume it would be built around whatever a person would need to kill a dragon....

[Ultramex.1506]

@Knighthonor.4061 said:

@Ultramex.1506 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@Fueki.4753 said:Let's not give Revenant a Greatsword.

Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Necromancer and Mesmer all have greatswords.Five out of nine classes are enough.

And? Sword was at the begining in 6/8 and currently can be wielded by 8/9. Do you think that is better to get instead some uninteresting off hand weapon which ends used by nobody as currently happens with the shield? A couple of skills with no impact in rotation to provide 0 chages in or stagnated gameplay? Maybe a focus or a torch to pile in the growing stack of Rev's weaponry getting dust & rust? Also, you're talking as everyone of those greatswords work the same, when in GW2 skills are class specific, not weapon linked. So far they can make greatswords which shoots ranged hula-hoops...

Indeed so i'm curious how is Rev gonna use greatsword? Would they be a discount of Reaper? They both share death/spirit related design.

Depends on the Legend. Revenant is not Death Knight. That's Necromancer. Revenant deal with Mist magic which can be death and destruction like Demon Legend/ShiroOr of positive and life, like Dwarf and Ventari.

So depends on legend. Balthazar for example is God of fire and war and all sort of crazy stuff he done in the last LW. So no telling how a Balthazar legend greatsword would work. But I assume it would be built around whatever a person would need to kill a dragon....

OH YEA! Balthazar wields greatsword so it's probably heavy condi/dmg aoe hybrid

[Fueki.4753]

OH YEA! Balthazar wields greatsword so it's probably heavy condi/dmg aoe hybridIt also looked rather ranged.

And what was Renegade designed to be?a Condi or Hybrid ranged elite spec

I would much rather have longbow Power dps.It should be faster than hammer and have utility on it.also, 1500 range

or 600 range Dual daggers with non-ground targetting shadowstep utilities and maybe a fine Stealth Elite SkillBut for that we would need to have Shiro renamed to Legendary Kingslayer or usurper or something,so we can have Nika or Vizu being the Legendary Assassin Stance for this elite spec.

[Elric.4713]

Knighthonor keeps finding a way to start greatsword threads, and you guys keep falling for it.

[derd.6413]

@"Knighthonor.4061" said:I was thinking about this and something people said in the other thread on Necromancer Shield. They said Anet hinted at stuff ahead of time like Greatswords for Necromancer.

they already said that this was a coincident:

Q:Since the release of the game, we saw Trahearne the necromancer proudly wielding Caladbolg, a greatsword—just like the new reaper elite specialization! Is this a wink, or is Trahearne the first reaper? And what about Marjory and the Delaqua-family greatsword?

A: A lot of people use greatswords—these aren’t foreshadowing, nor are they hints toward the reaper specialization. Sorry!

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/lore-interview-with-ree-soesbee/

an NPC that is class X wielding Y weapon is in no way a hint that class X is gonna get weapon Y in the next espec (or any future espec for that matter)

[Kanok.3027]

@Elric.4713 said:Knighthonor keeps finding a way to start greatsword threads, and you guys keep falling for it.

Maybe he'll finally give up after the next, and probably final, e-spec comes out for Rev and it's not a Greatsword. One can hope, right?

[draxynnic.3719]

I don't think we've ever seen Rytlock using anything from a legend other than Glint, despite talking about voices in his head. He uses typical Revenant sword skills with Sohothin (don't know why it was so much stronger in the PoF finale, but Rytlock doesn't seem to be able to tap that power as a matter of course), which could be interpreted as meaning that he runs Shiro/Glint. Wouldn't surprise me if they made him a special snowflake that could run Kalla/Glint, though.

@Buran.3796 said:

@Fueki.4753 said:Let's not give Revenant a Greatsword.

Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Necromancer and Mesmer all have greatswords.Five out of nine classes are enough.

And? Sword was at the begining in 6/8 and currently can be wielded by 8/9. Do you think that is better to get instead some uninteresting off hand weapon which ends used by nobody as currently happens with the shield? A couple of skills with no impact in rotation to provide 0 chages in or stagnated gameplay? Maybe a focus or a torch to pile in the growing stack of Rev's weaponry getting dust & rust? Also, you're talking as everyone of those greatswords work the same, when in GW2 skills are class specific, not weapon linked. So far they can make greatswords which shoots ranged hula-hoops...

Honestly, I don't see why people seem to have such faith that a greatsword would be great while some other weapon would suck. It's all about the skills - while a two-handed weapon might be easier to design well because you get the whole package as once rather than half a skillbar which might not synergise well with weapons available for the other half, it's no guarantee. Both reaper and ranger greatsword have had periods where they were regarded as mediocre at best, IIRC.

@Knighthonor.4061 said:Depends on the Legend. Revenant is not Death Knight. That's Necromancer. Revenant deal with Mist magic which can be death and destruction like Demon Legend/ShiroOr of positive and life, like Dwarf and Ventari.

So depends on legend. Balthazar for example is God of fire and war and all sort of crazy stuff he done in the last LW. So no telling how a Balthazar legend greatsword would work. But I assume it would be built around whatever a person would need to kill a dragon....

Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't bet against Asgeir Dragonrender.

Wouldn't complain if we did get something Balthazar-based, possibly based on the Avatar of Balthazar in the Durmand Priory personal story step, but the story does seem to be leaning nornwards.

[Scoobaniec.9561]

@draxynnic.3719 said:Both reaper and ranger greatsword have had periods where they were regarded as mediocre at best, IIRC.

Ranger gs was never mediocre just low dmg on numbers but the tility was always there.Reaper gs is trash bc they made it slow af without proper numbers to back it up. Rings a bell?

[draxynnic.3719]

@Scoobaniec.9561 said:

@"draxynnic.3719" said:Both reaper and ranger greatsword have had periods where they were regarded as mediocre at best, IIRC.

Ranger gs was never mediocre just low dmg on numbers but the tility was always there.Reaper gs is trash bc they made it slow af without proper numbers to back it up. Rings a bell?

Yeah, improving ranger gs was more a matter of tuning up the damage than adding utility, but there was a period where, depending on how you looked at it, it either had insufficient damage or it didn't have enough utility to make up for the low damage at the time. It's a case of the numbers being off rather than a fundamental design issue, but that's often (not always, looking at you herald shield, but often) the case when a weapon is seen as underperforming.

My general point was that being a greatsword is no guarantee of being good. Nor is being another weapon a guarantee of being good. Buran described focus and torch as weapons that would only add to a "growing stack of Rev's weaponry getting dust & rust", but both offhands are or have been in meta builds for the professions that wield them, so there's no guarantee that either would be trash.

[Daniel Handler.4816]

@Ultramex.1506 said:

@Knighthonor.4061 said:

@Ultramex.1506 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@Fueki.4753 said:Let's not give Revenant a Greatsword.

Warrior, Guardian, Ranger, Necromancer and Mesmer all have greatswords.Five out of nine classes are enough.

And? Sword was at the begining in 6/8 and currently can be wielded by 8/9. Do you think that is better to get instead some uninteresting off hand weapon which ends used by nobody as currently happens with the shield? A couple of skills with no impact in rotation to provide 0 chages in or stagnated gameplay? Maybe a focus or a torch to pile in the growing stack of Rev's weaponry getting dust & rust? Also, you're talking as everyone of those greatswords work the same, when in GW2 skills are class specific, not weapon linked. So far they can make greatswords which shoots ranged hula-hoops...

Indeed so i'm curious how is Rev gonna use greatsword? Would they be a discount of Reaper? They both share death/spirit related design.

Depends on the Legend. Revenant is not Death Knight. That's Necromancer. Revenant deal with Mist magic which can be death and destruction like Demon Legend/ShiroOr of positive and life, like Dwarf and Ventari.

So depends on legend. Balthazar for example is God of fire and war and all sort of crazy stuff he done in the last LW. So no telling how a Balthazar legend greatsword would work. But I assume it would be built around whatever a person would need to kill a dragon....

OH YEA! Balthazar wields greatsword so it's probably heavy condi/dmg aoe hybrid

Actually if we are going by legends that have been confirmed to exist, that playstyle would probably fall under Prisoner aka Joko. The PC Revenant channels it in the story to blast out of jail.

This is also the only true sign they have considered a pbAOE dps legend.