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Laranthir? (spoilers)

Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

I'm quite surprised noone has discussed Laranthir yet. Was he still Almorra's second-in-command by the time of Whisper in the Dark? If so, he should be the next leader of the Vigil.
In the story I get the impression that Jhavi could well take this place, but maybe she is just supposed to take over the keep.

Is Laranthir still part of the story, or did he resign sometime ago offscreen? If he's still around, he should return to the limelight very soon.

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  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    Alright, I thought I might have missed or forgotten something.
    So we have to wait and see what happens.

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    I think Laranthir is still the guy supposed to lead the Vigil. As I understood it, Jhavi is in charge of Jora's Keep and the whole mess things have become there.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 24, 2019

    Working on the assumption Laranthir wasn't forcibly retired, voluntarily retired, or demoted due to the events of HoT (first and last seems very unlikely), he should be the one to lead the Vigil post-Almorra, as he stated in the personal story. He is the second-in-command as of pre-HoT. But since HoT utterly botched the sylvari discrimination storyline, and it's not been touched since HoT outside of the Zephyrites during Festival of the Four Winds (which is rather out of character for them to blame the entire race for Aerin's/Mordremoth's actions), I don't see how we can draw an accurate conclusion.

    Though dialogue of Jhavi taking over is present and, imo, a bit out of place unless it's referring to the keep, but Almorra wasn't the one in charge of the keep. To explain those dialogues, I'd assume either a) the HoT situation resulted in Jhavi becoming the Second-in-Command (Laranthir demoted); b) they're meaning that with the prior Keep officer gone, they thought Almorra would take over, but with Almorra dead they now believe Jhavi will be the one to take over the keep/operation until further notice; or c) they're just supporters of Jhavi and want her to take leadership of the Vigil, even though she's not Second-in-Command.

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  • @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Also the writers probably want heavy focus on norm/charr, so the excuse that Vigil is "recovering of Bjora Massacre"(so they cant build up a largar scale operation) will be maintened to keep Laranthir/the pact as whole in offscreen.

    That would not prevent the Pact from sending in a fleet of airships and troops like they did at Thunderhead Peaks and Dragonfall. Granted, the losses at Thunderhead Peaks is probably something to keep them occupied. I won't expect Pact forces until Episode 3 at the earliest, and even that would just be the vanguard forces like in S4E4.

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  • Maybe he's still stranded at Dragon's Stand, trying to figure out how to get up "that tree".

    Jokes aside, all sylvari commanders are destined to die an atrocious death, so maybe it's better if he doesn't.

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2019

    As we saw in Personal Story, people are often recruited out of the Orders into the Pact entirely. After Heart of Thorns, Laranthir after successfully leading the assault on an Elder Dragon, probably has a cushy job in the Pact not far below Logan.

    That said the other Commanders could've "retired" like our character did, we haven't seen them since HoT.

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  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2019

    I think Laranthir will become the new leader of the vigil. Jhavi is just running the keep, but with her set up as a new character that’s central in this saga, I wouldn’t be surprised to see her take laranthir’s old position as second in command

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  • Would like to know as well, though I suspect reason will be as simple as no VA anymore given they even changed Kasmeer's one.

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  • @NICENIKESHOE.7128 said:
    Would like to know as well, though I suspect reason will be as simple as no VA anymore given they even changed Kasmeer's one.

    Kasmeer sounded the same during Bound By Blood. Is that a more recent development? Or do you mean Rox's VA that was changed for S4E2.

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2019

    I doubt that VA will be a great reason to hold a character. Zojja's case is specific, because Anet created the hype around it. But laranthir, whos cares about his voice actor?

    i guess Anet learned the lesson, and will not invest/hype much more to bring remarkable VA for a characters with a long journey in the lore.

    Did it to villains is the best path, because villains are not to stay here forever(so they "remarkable" VA) like Balthazar, Joko..., ... so they did it to Jormag too, since Jormag will not be inteded to "stay here forever".

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  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2020

    Alrighty, let's do a tiny little necromancy here (I intended to make a new thread but remembered this one so here I go).

    As it contains spoilery things for S5.2:

    According to a letter found in Jora's Keep, Laranthir requested and got "a temporary leave of absence so he may return to the Grove."

    So, where does this take us (and him)? Did he just need a rest after all the fighting? Is he still in the Grove and we'll need to find him and tell him all the news?

    Is there more to it? Will there be complications? Vigil stuff? Sylvari stuff? Something completely different?

    I'm pretty intrigued (and set for a disappointment maybe?)...

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Alrighty, let's do a tiny little necromancy here (I intended to make a new thread but remembered this one so here I go).

    As it contains spoilery things for S5.2:

    According to a letter found in Jora's Keep, Laranthir requested and got "a temporary leave of absence so he may return to the Grove."

    So, where does this take us (and him)? Did he just need a rest after all the fighting? Is he still in the Grove and we'll need to find him and tell him all the news?

    Is there more to it? Will there be complications? Vigil stuff? Sylvari stuff? Something completely different?

    I'm pretty intrigued (and set for a disappointment maybe?)...

    I think this is just an excuse Arenanet rushed out to have a Norn, fitting for the story, be the new leader.
    It's almost as if Anet thought her being part of Svanir's family wasn't a good enough reason for her to join in.

    That aside, I can't imagine Laranthir fitting as the General.
    He's better as a leader of smaller, temporary groups that are formed for specific purposes.

  • @Abraxxus.8971 said:
    I saw him not long ago fighting the Shadow Behemoth in the swamp in Queensdale.

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  • Ultramex.1506Ultramex.1506 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2020

    He is sharing the same fate with Zojja

  • Aeon.4583Aeon.4583 Member ✭✭✭

    As it comes to Laranthir, it is highly possible that he took a leave of absence from Vigil for some time, Taking under consideration that Pale Tree is\was injured ( possibly cannot reproduce any longer ) and that Sylvari population been reduced around her, his presence in Grove will be more appropriate.

  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    Thanks for finding the letter. :) That clears things up.
    I mean, it's been how many years since the Vigil was founded? Surely things change over time, that's normal. So yes, it is obviously an excuse to get a norn into a prominent role, but at least there's some consistency and Laranthir has not been simply forgotten.

  • @Fueki.4753 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Alrighty, let's do a tiny little necromancy here (I intended to make a new thread but remembered this one so here I go).

    As it contains spoilery things for S5.2:

    According to a letter found in Jora's Keep, Laranthir requested and got "a temporary leave of absence so he may return to the Grove."

    So, where does this take us (and him)? Did he just need a rest after all the fighting? Is he still in the Grove and we'll need to find him and tell him all the news?

    Is there more to it? Will there be complications? Vigil stuff? Sylvari stuff? Something completely different?

    I'm pretty intrigued (and set for a disappointment maybe?)...

    I think this is just an excuse Arenanet rushed out to have a Norn, fitting for the story, be the new leader.
    It's almost as if Anet thought her being part of Svanir's family wasn't a good enough reason for her to join in.

    That aside, I can't imagine Laranthir fitting as the General.
    He's better as a leader of smaller, temporary groups that are formed for specific purposes.

    I would agree it sounds like a rushed excuse.

    Not because they thought Jhavi didn't have enough reason to join, but because they either forgot Laranthir was second-in-command, or didn't expect people to go "where is Laranthir to take over/why is Jhavi taking over?"

    The main reason why I say it sounds rushed, is because every other book in the achievement for Ep2 is from the same author, talking about her interactions with Still Waters Talking and her fall to Jormag.

    That said, I could see them taking Laranthir's leave and using this to open up either a Side Story where we share the news and learn a bit about the founding of the Vigil that involved Almorra's "darkest time" that LAranthir (which seems to have involved Jhavi, Rodrigez, Efut, and Fuji Shadowbane), or using this to bridge in some loose sylvari plot threads like Malyck, the Awakened Sylvari, and the Pale Reavers/Carys.

    I'd also disagree that he's better as a small leader, he shows to be very tactical in the personal story imo.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fenella.2634 said:
    Laranthir has not been simply forgotten.

    There still is the possibility that Arenanet forgot about him until they decided to read the forums for a bit.

  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    In that case I'm so glad I've started this topic. :lol:

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    Though despite Laranthir's temporary retirement for unknown reasons. It is possible to cover this up with the lore reason being how Sylvari still suffers from the events of HoT public relations wise. As we learn in this Saga through some NPC dialogues, the events of HoT has greatly impacted people's opinions on Sylvari to a point some people just refuse to accept Sylvari ever again as people or friends even if they had a long positive history with them.

    it is even worse that it is public knowledge now that Sylvari are Dragon Minions due to their origin being creations of Mordremoth which no doubt contributes to the continue mistrust towards Sylvaris even after Mordremoth's death.

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aeon.4583 said:
    As it comes to Laranthir, it is highly possible that he took a leave of absence from Vigil for some time, Taking under consideration that Pale Tree is\was injured ( possibly cannot reproduce any longer ) and that Sylvari population been reduced around her, his presence in Grove will be more appropriate.

    The Pale Tree is able to reproduce even though not entirely recovered according to the Notes from Rata Novus (gosh, was that hard to find as I couldn't remember where I saw it mentioned). And she did get somewhat better after regrowing the Caladbolg. It's been about four or five years in the game since those events so she migt be almost okay by now.

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    That said, I could see them taking Laranthir's leave and using this to open up either a Side Story where we share the news and learn a bit about the founding of the Vigil that involved Almorra's "darkest time" that LAranthir (which seems to have involved Jhavi, Rodrigez, Efut, and Fuji Shadowbane), or using this to bridge in some loose sylvari plot threads like Malyck, the Awakened Sylvari, and the Pale Reavers/Carys.

    This is what I have hopes for (although I'm afraid it won't be the case. But I'll let me dream for a while longer :) )

    I'd also disagree that he's better as a small leader, he shows to be very tactical in the personal story imo.

    I agree with you here, he proved to be capable enough. However I've always had the impression he's not really interested in being the leader.


    To lighten it up a little - I can totally see Laranthir when he's told about Almorra - /facepalm and says: "Oh thorns, first vacation in years and this is what happens..."

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  • Brycar.2651Brycar.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    You can find a note book with the explanation as an achievement in the latest chapter. He asked for some time off.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wasn't Jhavi just "acting second in command"

    Laranthir is on leave.

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  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Laranthir returning to the Grove could portend future developments there. As was pointed out, we're long overdue for an update on the status of the Pale Tree. And there's certainly plenty of room in however many episodes of LS5 we have left to make some story hops. Maybe we'll visit the Grove to rally additional Sylvari support, since they are likely more resistant to Jormag's whispers due to their origins. Or perhaps there are other events going on in the Grove which require Laranthir's presence; maybe the Pale Tree called him for some purpose, as she has done to other Sylvari. Or maybe he just needed a break; after all, even the most prominent leaders take time off every now and then.

    One thing is for sure: when word of the crisis in Bjora reaches Laranthir in the Grove, he will almost certainly come running with reinforcements in tow. What happens when he gets to Bjora and finds Jhavi doing well and having the support of the local troops? Will she give him a smooth turnover of command and step back? Will she demand to maintain her position? Will he dutifully stand aside and leave Jhavi in charge for now so as not to be disruptive in the present crisis, or will he be resentful? What will the Vigil troops under the different commanders do? Lots of potential drama as the Vigil faces arguably the worst crisis of its existence.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Laranthir returning to the Grove could portend future developments there. As was pointed out, we're long overdue for an update on the status of the Pale Tree. And there's certainly plenty of room in however many episodes of LS5 we have left to make some story hops. Maybe we'll visit the Grove to rally additional Sylvari support, since they are likely more resistant to Jormag's whispers due to their origins. Or perhaps there are other events going on in the Grove which require Laranthir's presence; maybe the Pale Tree called him for some purpose, as she has done to other Sylvari. Or maybe he just needed a break; after all, even the most prominent leaders take time off every now and then.

    One thing is for sure: when word of the crisis in Bjora reaches Laranthir in the Grove, he will almost certainly come running with reinforcements in tow. What happens when he gets to Bjora and finds Jhavi doing well and having the support of the local troops? Will she give him a smooth turnover of command and step back? Will she demand to maintain her position? Will he dutifully stand aside and leave Jhavi in charge for now so as not to be disruptive in the present crisis, or will he be resentful? What will the Vigil troops under the different commanders do? Lots of potential drama as the Vigil faces arguably the worst crisis of its existence.

    It's more likely that Arenanet forgot about him and that one note about his absence was just shoved into the game after players pointed out his absence.
    If noone had pointed it out, it's entirely that Arenanet wouldn't have put in that note.
    As for the pale tree, I doubt Arenanet will incorporate her into the story again anytime soon.
    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    I believe some sylvari could be more resistent to Jormag's whispers. Specifically the HoT veterans, not because immunity, but because "been there, done that, not again". But the younger ones are probably just as vulnerable as anyone else.

    @Fenella.2634 said:
    I can't imagine Laranthir and Jhavi starting a fight over who leads the Vigil. If Laranthir even considers to return, I'm sure they will work this issue out peacefully and professionally. They have both been with the Vigil for a long time and both have had high positions for years. When you replay the personal story as a member of the Vigil, you will notice Jhavi being there even back then. She didn't have any dialogue, but she was already a named NPC.
    As for Laranthir, he has proven in the PS and especially in HoT that he stays loyal and on track even when faced with severe opposition and distrust within the Pact. I absolutely cannot imagine him risking the Vigil's unity by insisting on his personal position. OTOH, I'm not even sure Jhavi herself would want to lead the Vigil. We don't know all that much about her yet. So far, she seems to be more interested in her family's history than politics.

    I can't either. However I see Laranthir as the one who probably wouldn't even be interested in the leading position. Also, I'm not sure how bad is the after-Mordy distrust to the sylvari in the present, but if it's still an issue (or he sees it that way) Laranthir woud certainly step down to not compromise the order.

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