Hey Thiefs, what kind of sacrifices you all willing to make to the class mechanics for elite spec?

[Knighthonor.4061]

Hey Thiefs, what kind of sacrifices you all willing to make to the class mechanics for elite spec unique mechanics?

[Sobx.1758]

What answer are you exactly expecting here?

[Alatar.7364]

That depends on what would be the elites focus/role.

[Sindrener.1592]

Everything

[Stand The Wall.6987]

very short cd's on weapon skills @_@

[reikken.4961]

"everything" is correctincluding being able to target enemies with steal

[Dadnir.5038]

Personnally I'd like an e-spec that replace stealth by a shadow cloack giving stat bonus instead of invisibility. So in short I'm ready to sacrifice stealth itself and stealth attacks.

[Knighthonor.4061]

@Sobx.1758 said:What answer are you exactly expecting here?

things like the Steal mechanics and Initiative mechanics come to mind.

if they get changed in an elite spec mechanics change, some sacrifices will need to be made in the same way Scourge necromancer has to make sacrifices to its mechanics change.

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

Frankly I hope there's no more elite specs because they screw up balance in so many ways, so your answer on what sacrifices I'd be willing to make would be none.

[NorthernRedStar.3054]

Support thief, I'd sacrifice (obviously) DPS for the capability to stealth teammates more often, and function as a shinobi medic.

[Sobx.1758]

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Frankly I hope there's no more elite specs because they screw up balance in so many ways, so your answer on what sacrifices I'd be willing to make would be none.

True

[kash.9213]

I like Initiative, it lets us work an area into our favor even partially off target beyond having a good poker face with cooldowns and don't think I'd have much fun without it. I could go without stealth and even Steal maybe but at this point I don't feel like we need different for the sake of being different. Stealth mechanic could turn into a non stealth combo primer active for stealth duration that would let you combine like two weapon skills or three depending on the placement of Dual Wield skills or something into a big payoff but it would need to be reliable, it would still keep mostly the same resource sink. A problem we run into right now changing anything too major like Steal is that it's pretty critical to core and elites for it's engage or other mods and all of it's forms work really well along side Initiative.

[dDuff.3860]

stolen itemsinitiative for weaponskills, for kinda initiative for utility skillssteal mechanic completely.

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

There are so many useless/broken mechanics that you are free to sacrifice. Start with Revealed.

[DeceiverX.8361]

There are so many broken mechanics that you are free to sacrifice. Start with sustained stealth.

Condi D/D can go, too. Spamming 3 isn't gameplay.

[Antycypator.9874]

Stealing mechanics and stealth for an elite spec that can do more aoe damage. I was thinking about more mobility and teleporting behind the enemies.

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Antycypator.9874 said:Stealing mechanics and stealth for an elite spec that can do more aoe damage. I was thinking about more mobility and teleporting behind the enemies.

more mobility for thief o.O

[Sobx.1758]

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@"Antycypator.9874" said:Stealing mechanics and stealth for an elite spec that can do more aoe damage. I was thinking about more mobility and teleporting behind the enemies.

more mobility for thief o.O

This just shows the current state of the forum -it doesn't matter if something is deserved or needed, what matters is that "I want moremoremore".And then after a month I'll start crying on the boards about everything being power crept to oblivion. Don't try to disagree with those buff proposals though or you'll be called a "hater". :D

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Sobx.1758 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@"Antycypator.9874" said:Stealing mechanics and stealth for an elite spec that can do more aoe damage. I was thinking about more mobility and teleporting behind the enemies.

more mobility for thief o.O

This just shows the current state of the forum -it doesn't matter if something is deserved or needed, what matters is that "I want moremoremore".And then after a month I'll start crying on the boards about everything being power crept to oblivion. Don't try to disagree with those buff proposals though or you'll be called a "hater". :D

as it stands right now, if they buff thief mobility. they can legit deal 0 dmg and be op. just by runing between nodes like monkeys ( in pvp )

[Zexanima.7851]

I'm willing to sacrifice mesmers for thief buffs.

[Yasai.3549]

I'll be willing to trade offhand for an entire Spec revolving around Mainhand weapon usage.

Empty Offhand can be simulated by a Focus for stat reasons.

The mechanic change will be that in exchange for losing Offhand and Duel Wield skills, they are allowed to slot 2 more utilities into their 4 and 5.

This will allow players to field more utilities to aid their Mainhand only plays.

[Antycypator.9874]

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@Antycypator.9874 said:Stealing mechanics and stealth for an elite spec that can do more aoe damage. I was thinking about more mobility and teleporting behind the enemies.

more mobility for thief o.O

Because main source of mobility is in Shortbow. For mobility I meant teleporting between/to the enemies in short range (so we can stop hit dagger 2 to jump these 450 units).

[lare.5129]

in elite spec include pet, avatar and banners?

[itspomf.9523]

Uhhh... what class mechanic?

Stealth? Everyone's got that, nowadays.

Mobility? Nope.

Dodges are right out, even with Daredevil.

Stealing is kind of moot when bundles exist, too (unless you're running Trickery/Deadeye and use it for boon generation / group-hug builds).

Initiative is just Energy before Revenant was cool.

The only thing we genuinely have are somewhat lackluster stealth attacks that have been repeatedly degraded over the years (regardless of what Deadeye did), and the dual-wield weapon skills. That's ... that's it.

So unless that means more two-hand weapons like longbow or magic staves, or giving us some kind of Warrior Lite™ spec that eschews stealth entirely, I'm not really sure what there is to be sacrificed.