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What class is very low APM and does very good DPS in high-end PVE?

I just want to chill out, press a few buttons and do as much dps as possible. Is that a thing?

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  • dragonhunter

  • Funky.4861Funky.4861 Member ✭✭✭

    Deadeye/staff daredevil.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    double shortbow soulbeast might not be as good as it was but it's still great compared to the low effort it takes.

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What does APM stand for?

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  • In all honesty, you'd be better of in WoW doing that.

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  • Gw2 is fairly balanced. Each class has to do its own healing and tanking (outside some high end formats but a laid back attitude there would not be appreciated) and dps. The dps gets better with higher trade offs (e.g. in general melee range does more dps then ranged).
    So no there is no laid back class. But the best way to achieve it is to pick a class you like and stick with it so you get really good at it. Practise makes everything easier a d there for more laid back

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Reaper, I would say

  • @Voltekka.2375 said:
    Reaper, I would say

    Yup. Here you go - http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSwEcEWosAGG7ipxGxk7qsZD-zRIYR09DA-e
    Get an Axe, Horn and Greatsword as your back up. You're only going to use one or two attack buttons, so 1 or 2 on axe for some distance, or 1 or 2 on Greatsword in melee. Keep the two minions up for healing and some distraction, and you don't have to touch the signets. All berserker gear for glass cannon (since you're going to just obliterate everything,) and stay in Reaper shroud as long as possible, and just mash 1 over and over. Low on life force, exit shroud, 1 or 2 over and over until you get back into it.

    Super chill lazy reaper build. :D

  • Shikaru.7618Shikaru.7618 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2020

    Double post

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anoligarh.3746 said:
    I just want to chill out, press a few buttons and do as much dps as possible. Is that a thing?

    High end as fractals and raids? None.

    Open world? There are plenty. Minion necro and ranger are the stand outs.

  • SunTzu.4513SunTzu.4513 Member ✭✭✭

    I would bring up Reaper too. In fact one of my main issues with it in PvE is how easy the Rotation is. Okay i'm maining a Guard/DH the meme of easy DPS builds is strong in me...

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Elementalist fresh air Dagger/Warhorn Tempest is pretty laid back - the idea is to use air overload, swap to fire attunement, use any skill you fancy to activate fresh air, then prepare another air overload. I like this build because of the strong aoe damage fields you can stack to quickly kill mobs with little effort.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "Iron Blooded Juggernaut" Scrapper. Simple playstyle, you basically use your flamethrower to burn and defensive abilities to tank through things. I solo facetank champions with it.

    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Scrapper_-_Iron_Blooded_Juggernaut

  • XYLO.7031XYLO.7031 Member ✭✭✭

    I've tested Jimbru's Scrapper, Westenev's Ele, SunTzu's Guard/DH and reaper. They are all valid, lazy builds. I play as lazy as I can in open world without going full on Holosmith Raid rotation of 11111. Kek.

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  • Power/condi hybrid holosmith.. Just F5 and spam all holo abilities, cooldown and
    spam again. Huge burst, low effort.

  • Power minion Reaper. Minions protect and add to your armor, bounce in and out of shroud for more DPS and protection. I can solo every dungeon but HotW on it.

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @KrivukasLT.3507 said:
    Power/condi hybrid holosmith.. Just F5 and spam all holo abilities, cooldown and
    spam again. Huge burst, low effort.

    I dont think you know what huge burst is. Holo has crappy burst without pre stacked heat. DD, fb, dh are all easier and have higher burst. DD has also insane sustain and dh/fb have everything

  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 21, 2020

    Possible with average/good, unlikely will obtain very good by doing less things; usually.

    Axe/axe Berserker - Mash all weapon skill and Decapitate whenever possible.

    Alacrity Renegade - More to utility instead of dps, simple & basic maintain Order from Above and Kalla. When good with that go for full rotation, simple because of energy limitation, more to muscle memory.

    Final say, do your best. Stay on target, make sure all damage/skills connect continuously without dying. CC breakbar whenever possible(unless there's a strategy to hold/not to).

  • Sojourner.4621Sojourner.4621 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Low APM isn't much of a thing at the higher end, but at least limited array of buttons to press and overly simple rotation is. Other's have said it (while downplaying their rotations below what they are actually capable of) but Staff Daredevil Thief and Axe/Greatsword Reaper Necromancer have the overall easiest rotations to higher-ish DPS. Of the two Reaper probably attacks slower, but Thief you can suck at the rotation more and still output at least a reasonable amount of DPS (can achieve 20k via a majority of auto-attacks only.)

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 21, 2020

    most necro variants specially reaper are crazy cheap and lazy play..

    i had build up also a boon-spammer shout-guardian with near 100% boon duration, is crazy faceroll but not top dps, the tradeoff is perma swiftness, good quickness and stability, that boon trio let u rush history stance content faster and facetank anything, specially CC spam bosses, the only boss i suffered is mordremot because of his huge HP....... The boom spammer gear is kinda expensive, and i used my pvp stuff to bought some trinkets.

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • XYLO.7031XYLO.7031 Member ✭✭✭

    After field testing builds and suggestions, I find that stability is really underrated. Making a slightly tanky build with good (not great) dps makes open world face roll possible and dare I say it... FUN. Lol. I've been rolling on champs thinking: it may take me a while, but he's not killing me and I can eat his attacks without flinching. Lol.

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  • Im not gonna open a new post because I have a similar question: Although I'm not a noob, I dislike mechanics that cut the fluidity of play, and I'm gonna give some examples:
    Engineer- I have to swap to 3 different kits or/and holo forge mode to achieve a high DPS.
    Elementalist-I have to summon the greatsword, pick it up from the floor, attack, then follow my rotation, the conjure a hammer, pick it up... Nooo please this is too CLUNKY

    Im loooking for professions or builds that I have to do few swaps, this gives me a fluid combat experience.

  • Then just use staff daredevil.
    And spam 2

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:
    Reaper, I would say

    nah, reaper have self quickness, greatsword 2 can be easily proc, plus shroud is a second set of skill bar, that will increase the APM

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  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭

    He says high end PVE. Go guardian. Reaper does 2/3 the damage in high end pve.

  • Lexi.1398Lexi.1398 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2020

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    Im not gonna open a new post because I have a similar question: Although I'm not a noob, I dislike mechanics that cut the fluidity of play, and I'm gonna give some examples:
    Engineer- I have to swap to 3 different kits or/and holo forge mode to achieve a high DPS.
    Elementalist-I have to summon the greatsword, pick it up from the floor, attack, then follow my rotation, the conjure a hammer, pick it up... Nooo please this is too CLUNKY

    Im loooking for professions or builds that I have to do few swaps, this gives me a fluid combat experience.

    almost everything has skill swaps, the only things that don't:
    shortbow only soulbeast (raid only- don't use condi in fractals. not a meta build but gets not far off from meta dps for 0 effort)
    power daredevil
    condition scourge (raid only)

    that's it.
    as far as minimal swaps go:
    power banner berseker (will swap weapons, but won't swap skills unless you need CC - should have at least one mace ready to CC stuff, ideally 2.)
    rifle deadeye (raid only- need to have cleave for fractals. IIRC, you should be kneeling the whole fight for best result, and if you ever have to stop kneeling that's a skill swap. i wouldn't recommend as a main dps due to single target + requirement to stay still)

  • Anything where you're doing high DPS will require effort. This just feels like you want some easy "something for nothing" kind of gameplay. Thats just not going to happen. There are builds that will get you by in PvE content (not including raids or high end fractals), but open world stuff. Those builds exist on all classes. If you're trying to do top end DPS though you will need to not be lazy about your build or rotation though. It just doesn't work that way.

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  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:

    @anoligarh.3746 said:
    I just want to chill out, press a few buttons and do as much dps as possible. Is that a thing?

    High end as fractals and raids? None.

    Open world? There are plenty. Minion necro and ranger are the stand outs.

    Don't listen to this guy ... plenty of people do 'chill' high end raids, etc ... I know ... I team with them. We do just fine.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭

    Axe/axe berserker banner warrior. Not the lowest APM but it is not piano play style. You camp axes unless you need to CC and doesn't follow super strict rotation, more like priority list. The goal is to get as many decapitates as possible and keep the banners up.
    Maybe not the highest dps but close and has decent utility (banners, CC).

  • battledrone.8315battledrone.8315 Member ✭✭✭

    @PookieDaWombat.6209 said:
    Anything where you're doing high DPS will require effort. This just feels like you want some easy "something for nothing" kind of gameplay. Thats just not going to happen. There are builds that will get you by in PvE content (not including raids or high end fractals), but open world stuff. Those builds exist on all classes. If you're trying to do top end DPS though you will need to not be lazy about your build or rotation though. It just doesn't work that way.

    he has paid for the game, and i doubt that he has stolen his character and gear. so where does "nothing " fit in the picture?
    and low effort is still SOMETHING too

  • Zephire.8049Zephire.8049 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @otto.5684 said:

    @anoligarh.3746 said:
    I just want to chill out, press a few buttons and do as much dps as possible. Is that a thing?

    High end as fractals and raids? None.

    Open world? There are plenty. Minion necro and ranger are the stand outs.

    Don't listen to this guy ... plenty of people do 'chill' high end raids, etc ... I know ... I team with them. We do just fine.

    Yup. When I raided, I went with double shortbow soulbeast if I wanted to relax. I was often in the top 3 for DPS, too, since messing up the "rotation" or doing a mechanic that someone failed didn't severely impact my DPS. That build isn't as good now, but it's still perfectly viable. Honestly it's probably better for a lot of people as the skill floor is lower for the same amount of DPS so there's less chance of user error.

    Unless you're running CMs, trying to break records, or are personally carrying the entire DPS for the squad, chill builds are perfectly adequate and viable. Especially when a lot of people are 5k+ off from the benchmarks of meta builds as their rotations can be finicky so the meta players are putting out the same DPS that you do on a non-meta build.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    APM is probably not as good of a measure as complexity. There might be some stuff to maximize damage via cancelling aftercast but that shouldn't be too common. For everything else the action speed is going to depend on activation time. In some cases trying to mash you keys too fast will probably drop your DPS by interrupting your skills. Something that can deal damage in a 5 step rotation is much simpler than one that requires 10 steps for the same damage. However that is also a slight overgeneralization because a seemingly complex rotation can still seem simple if it feels like a natural way to play a build. That comes down to how you internalize the logic of a build yourself so it is impossible for someone else to determine if a build will feel natural to you.

  • not as good as top tier meta build but here a scrapper build i use with my engi for open world content and dungeons/fractal.

    it does not have the best dps but it has a decent burst and good survivability.
    you just need to learn to use thunder field combo to daze your foes and get superspeed.

    tho if you want to go full dps build for raids you will start playing the piano.