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  • nice, some more weeks with exactly the same matchups because of the stale matchup system :< we're literally just looping our 3rd place servers. (means each 2-3 weeks the same matchups 1:1 again)

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    You guys would be here an hour after relinks crying how bad links or matchups are anyways, regardless of when they did it.

    Real question you should be asking, if they're moving this as a convenience factor since relinks are done manually still and they don't want the holidays interfering, alliances is suppose to be automated, why would they need to change it beyond this holiday season when by next one it wouldn't matter since automated...... right?

    ^ Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Perma stealth is needed to outrun zergs." - Thieves
    "There's no power creep, you just don't recognize more people hitting you." - Flat Earther

  • @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    They messed up NA relinks last year, so it's understandable, but I know many people are getting bored with T1 EU and how stacked Blacktide is compared to other links even though it's classified as Medium, so another month is bleh.

    excuse me I have been out of the loop for a while......

    BLACKTIDE?! STACKED?! when did this happen xD

  • :'( Nooooooooo Why??? :'(
    please ANet nooooo :'(

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    You guys would be here an hour after relinks crying how bad links or matchups are anyways, regardless of when they did it.

    Real question you should be asking, if they're moving this as a convenience factor since relinks are done manually still and they don't want the holidays interfering, alliances is suppose to be automated, why would they need to change it beyond this holiday season when by next one it wouldn't matter since automated...... right?

    Many can’t think past today.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2019

    @Lord Trejgon.2809 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    They messed up NA relinks last year, so it's understandable, but I know many people are getting bored with T1 EU and how stacked Blacktide is compared to other links even though it's classified as Medium, so another month is bleh.

    excuse me I have been out of the loop for a while......

    BLACKTIDE?! STACKED?! when did this happen xD

    Well, when we were linked with Blacktide at the start it was dead, but since then more and more players transferred there, as Deso has still got a decently organized WvW Community compared to alot of servers, with a decent amount of Open tag commanders who use voice comms.

    At first the influx of players and Guilds wasn't too bad until now. Obviously with us winning T1 every week by alot of points, quite a few pugs also transfer in for the 'glory' and reward', as it's only 500 gems to Blacktide.

  • zengara.8301zengara.8301 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    You guys would be here an hour after relinks crying how bad links or matchups are anyways, regardless of when they did it.

    Real question you should be asking, if they're moving this as a convenience factor since relinks are done manually still and they don't want the holidays interfering, alliances is suppose to be automated, why would they need to change it beyond this holiday season when by next one it wouldn't matter since automated...... right?

    Many can’t think past today.

    No?
    As written multiple times. There has been a lot of drama specially around this re-link, that have left servers like Piken empty and servers like Blacktide full. A lot of people were waiting for re-link because it would have balanced these extreme situations out.

    I really do not understand your real question. Why would they need to move relinks after holidays, if the next one might be automated? Really not sure if you are asking some deep stuff that I do not know about, or if just this alliances stuff. If alliances, obviously it would matter if game mode actually died out before next christmas? (not the bs kind of died out, but the kind were people legit did not wvw anymore, but only used it for karma/exp train)

  • @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:

    @Lord Trejgon.2809 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    They messed up NA relinks last year, so it's understandable, but I know many people are getting bored with T1 EU and how stacked Blacktide is compared to other links even though it's classified as Medium, so another month is bleh.

    excuse me I have been out of the loop for a while......

    BLACKTIDE?! STACKED?! when did this happen xD

    Well, when we were linked with Blacktide at the start it was dead, but since then more and more players transferred there, as Deso has still got a decently organized WvW Community compared to alot of servers, with a decent amount of Open tag commanders who use voice comms.

    At first the influx of players and Guilds wasn't too bad until now. Obviously with us winning T1 every week by alot of points, quite a few pugs also transfer in for the 'glory' and reward', as it's only 500 gems to Blacktide.

    Oh I see.....

    Altho I find it kind of saddening that being linked to a "proper" server got blacktide more wvw players than months if not years of effort of most of blacktide active wvw guilds at the time.... :/

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zengara.8301 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    You guys would be here an hour after relinks crying how bad links or matchups are anyways, regardless of when they did it.

    Real question you should be asking, if they're moving this as a convenience factor since relinks are done manually still and they don't want the holidays interfering, alliances is suppose to be automated, why would they need to change it beyond this holiday season when by next one it wouldn't matter since automated...... right?

    Many can’t think past today.

    No?
    As written multiple times. There has been a lot of drama specially around this re-link, that have left servers like Piken empty and servers like Blacktide full. A lot of people were waiting for re-link because it would have balanced these extreme situations out.

    I really do not understand your real question. Why would they need to move relinks after holidays, if the next one might be automated? Really not sure if you are asking some deep stuff that I do not know about, or if just this alliances stuff. If alliances, obviously it would matter if game mode actually died out before next christmas? (not the bs kind of died out, but the kind were people legit did not wvw anymore, but only used it for karma/exp train)

    I don’t have a question. It was clearly a statement as evidenced by the lack of a ‘?’.

    There is drama around every relink. It just faces different servers.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019

    In NA I found lots of languages on map chat, even my own.. I’m ok with that.

    Duno whats the problem of having several languages in map chat, just stick to your own ones.

    This topics of OmG different language Q Q sound a bit xenophobic...

    Btw I’m EU.

  • zengara.8301zengara.8301 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @zengara.8301 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    You guys would be here an hour after relinks crying how bad links or matchups are anyways, regardless of when they did it.

    Real question you should be asking, if they're moving this as a convenience factor since relinks are done manually still and they don't want the holidays interfering, alliances is suppose to be automated, why would they need to change it beyond this holiday season when by next one it wouldn't matter since automated...... right?

    Many can’t think past today.

    No?
    As written multiple times. There has been a lot of drama specially around this re-link, that have left servers like Piken empty and servers like Blacktide full. A lot of people were waiting for re-link because it would have balanced these extreme situations out.

    I really do not understand your real question. Why would they need to move relinks after holidays, if the next one might be automated? Really not sure if you are asking some deep stuff that I do not know about, or if just this alliances stuff. If alliances, obviously it would matter if game mode actually died out before next christmas? (not the bs kind of died out, but the kind were people legit did not wvw anymore, but only used it for karma/exp train)

    I don’t have a question. It was clearly a statement as evidenced by the lack of a ‘?’.

    There is drama around every relink. It just faces different servers.

    Yeah, I meant real question to the:
    "Real question you should be asking, if they're moving this as a convenience factor since relinks are done manually still and they don't want the holidays interfering, alliances is suppose to be automated, why would they need to change it beyond this holiday season when by next one it wouldn't matter since automated...... right?"

    This re-link is a bit more extreme, 1 server is basically dead and the other had like 100 points ahead of only ppt server and hardcore night server

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That was the real question...
    Now wonder about it, if alliances which are automated and maybe out next year, there's no need to move relink date after this holiday since it shouldn't be problem for the next one holiday because of the automation, unless alliances maybe getting delayed beyond next holiday...

    If they didn't want to run into another relink screw up from last year which couldn't be fixed right away because people were away on holidays, then they could have done the relink last friday instead and fix whatever this week if needed. Holiday time also probably screws up the activity hours since a lot of people are not playing the game or doing the winterfest event, and trying to relink first week in jan based on the previous 3-4 weeks which were heavily hit with that situation isn't good either. So probably why it's end of jan so they can use jan data to make appropriate links.

    Again, doesn't matter when they relink someone is going to be in here the first hour and complain about it anyways, both sides might as well suck it up and get it over with.

    ^ Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Perma stealth is needed to outrun zergs." - Thieves
    "There's no power creep, you just don't recognize more people hitting you." - Flat Earther

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019

    @Mil.3562
    Nobody cares if you quit.

    There are things called Christmas and New Years holidays and people have off... Believe it or not, the devs are really human beings who might like to enjoy the holidays with their family and friends, and are given time off by the company. The devs are not robotic slaves who need to take orders from whining people who can't wait a month on things... And it makes most sense to do next month bc there will be staff on hand if there are issues, unlike around the once per year holiday time when anet is probably closed up...

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459

    And did you think that i made my post to see if anyone care if i quit? LOL

  • Acheron.4731Acheron.4731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2019

    @Mil.3562 said:
    @Swagger.1459

    And did you think that i made my post to see if anyone care if i quit? LOL

    I care :)

    Don't Worry, My Dutch is OK

  • zengara.8301zengara.8301 Member ✭✭✭

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    That was the real question...
    Now wonder about it, if alliances which are automated and maybe out next year, there's no need to move relink date after this holiday since it shouldn't be problem for the next one holiday because of the automation, unless alliances maybe getting delayed beyond next holiday...

    If they didn't want to run into another relink screw up from last year which couldn't be fixed right away because people were away on holidays, then they could have done the relink last friday instead and fix whatever this week if needed. Holiday time also probably screws up the activity hours since a lot of people are not playing the game or doing the winterfest event, and trying to relink first week in jan based on the previous 3-4 weeks which were heavily hit with that situation isn't good either. So probably why it's end of jan so they can use jan data to make appropriate links.

    Again, doesn't matter when they relink someone is going to be in here the first hour and complain about it anyways, both sides might as well suck it up and get it over with.

    Interesting take on it, but basically what Mil wrote. It simply does not matter what happens before next christmas, if the game mode is dead (WvW turning to some sort of karma/exp train) Since last month I have seen some pretty incredible players leave the game all together (top 5 cleansing/strips). I mean it is good that you are thinking ahead about alliances (personally I can not even see how it would change the current situation), but I think that delaying this re-link is a heavy hit. I might be wrong though, I guess we will see

  • The transfers should be closed 4 weeks after re-link or so expensive that people really have to think twice before transfering. I already know what is happening after the re-link in january and I'm not at all interested in that.
    Meanwhile I sit on two completely dead servers linked to dead German server hosts. That's fun... not.

    Disciples of the monkey god [Apes]

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @gebrechen.5643 said:
    The transfers should be closed 4 weeks after re-link or so expensive that people really have to think twice before transfering. I already know what is happening after the re-link in january and I'm not at all interested in that.
    Meanwhile I sit on two completely dead servers linked to dead German server hosts. That's fun... not.

    Or almost dead Piken. They lost a lot of players.

  • Alliances will make it worse. They will kill wvw for good.

    All the so called 'fight' guilds will stuck together, face roll every other group a couple of times, which then stop login in. Then these bandwaggoners-now-allies will complain about 'no fights' and 'Dead game' and it will be over.

    To fix wvw, randomly put people on servers, let them transfer once. If too many high hour guilds are on one server, take one or two off.

    That would be the only fix.

    But the bandwaggoners would make such a fuss, I doubt it is worth it.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2020

    Will the relink be on the 24th or 31st?
    We could actually do with the relink right now, as there is not enough transfer restrictions apart from buying gems and lack of pips; if you transfer during an ongoing match up.

  • cobbah.3102cobbah.3102 Member ✭✭✭

    Lovely a communication that they are doing something later , just like all the other stuff they are doing later ,like Alliances, Balance Patch later, and because they cannot be bothered to do relinks we have to suffer more kitten , why do they not just come out and say we do not have a clue how to fix this mess we will refund you and move on. Another ban coming I can feel it in my water that won't come later lol.

  • When will be the relink the 24th or the 31st ? I hope the 24th , so long it is becoming annoying

  • Any updates on the date?
    Playing on borlis pass as a OCX player sucks.... no pop around my timezone

    Give us an update please !!

  • Len.1879Len.1879 Member ✭✭

    afaik, the relinks have historically been during the last week of a month. Why would you even think it would be different this time?

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭
    edited January 22, 2020

    the links were way too long this time yeah. incredibly boring, fighting the same annoying setups over and over. besides it is bad for the servers; i think many link-server people switched yet around, because since january we have tons of new people apparently. and some of the link-server that will be missing later. that is kinda problem with a long link too.

    i mean, the real problem is that the linking system is still the thing. bandwagoners lead to annoyed veterans on the linkprovider server and scammer veterans on the bandwagon servers. means, we probably technically fight the same people again on each other matchup anyways, since strong links can carry weak main servers too.

    #gibealliances

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Len.1879 said:
    afaik, the relinks have historically been during the last week of a month. Why would you even think it would be different this time?

    Because they were due in December. Anet delayed them a month.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't get the confusion...

    Hi Everyone,

    Due to the holidays we’re going to delay the next iteration of world linking until the end of January. At that point we’ll resume the standard cadence of re-linking every two months.

    ^ Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Perma stealth is needed to outrun zergs." - Thieves
    "There's no power creep, you just don't recognize more people hitting you." - Flat Earther

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2020

    There isn't a confusion, it's just that due to the relink being postponed, some of the Links or the lack of Links or population on some Hosts or non Linked servers have become quite stale. So the relink being pushed to the nearest Friday to the end of the month would make some sense.

    At least some transfers during the Holidays was beneficial. to having balanced match-ups in terms of fights for Guilds or Open tags in some Tiers on EU, just not the people who transferred to stay in T1..

    Anyway the relink is just one week away now.

  • Loke.1429Loke.1429 Member ✭✭

    ive had 3 german links in a row, with this bs double link

  • Better yet. ANET should just eliminate relink and go back to the way it in the beginning where we had up to 6 to 9 tiers. Server against each other.

    On top of limit sever transfers to once every 2 weeks or once a month.

    Close tier 1 and 2 servers to transfers but keep it open for new players that do not have existing accounts.

    This will solve a lot of problems in my thinking

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @pointaction.4639 said:
    Better yet. ANET should just eliminate relink and go back to the way it in the beginning where we had up to 6 to 9 tiers. Server against each other.

    Who are tier 5 and 6 servers going to fight against?

    On top of limit sever transfers to once every 2 weeks or once a month.

    Close tier 1 and 2 servers to transfers but keep it open for new players that do not have existing accounts.

    So, tank for two weeks and your ‘tier ‘ server is in tier 3.... open for transfers....

    This will solve a lot of problems in my thinking

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Do the people who ask for links to be taken off and go back to the old 24/27 servers, know that the server populations ratings of today are not the same as it was 4 years ago? A server with a very high rating today could possibly now be the same as a server that was medium back in the day.

    We can't just go back to no links and think we can have things back exactly as it was, there's been a population decline which has been hidden with the population ratings threshold changes, links were put in place because there was a big decline in population from 2012-16 in the first place. T8 in NA would be a ghost town.

    ^ Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Perma stealth is needed to outrun zergs." - Thieves
    "There's no power creep, you just don't recognize more people hitting you." - Flat Earther

  • @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Do the people who ask for links to be taken off and go back to the old 24/27 servers, know that the server populations ratings of today are not the same as it was 4 years ago? A server with a very high rating today could possibly now be the same as a server that was medium back in the day.

    We can't just go back to no links and think we can have things back exactly as it was, there's been a population decline which has been hidden with the population ratings threshold changes, links were put in place because there was a big decline in population from 2012-16 in the first place. T8 in NA would be a ghost town.

    Will not be a ghost town if they close tiers with population for transfers so forces those transfers to lower population tiers.

    So no relinks is better if they do it right in the first place.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @pointaction.4639 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Do the people who ask for links to be taken off and go back to the old 24/27 servers, know that the server populations ratings of today are not the same as it was 4 years ago? A server with a very high rating today could possibly now be the same as a server that was medium back in the day.

    We can't just go back to no links and think we can have things back exactly as it was, there's been a population decline which has been hidden with the population ratings threshold changes, links were put in place because there was a big decline in population from 2012-16 in the first place. T8 in NA would be a ghost town.

    Will not be a ghost town if they close tiers with population for transfers so forces those transfers to lower population tiers.

    Maybe I am misunderstanding you here: close the tiers that have population and spread them out thinly in other tiers?

    Knowing that these same tiers were ones people left because the population wasn’t enough?

    Or am I missing what you are saying..?

    So no relinks is better if they do it right in the first place.

    Balancing population will be effectively impossible unless you gut the guild structure and bypass that when spreading people out.

    And if you do that, you will lose even more players.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2020

    Even T2 is often a ghost town these days and people want more tiers, what? I can't imagine how terrible T3/T4 already are..

    And half a year ago (and since starting the game) I was on JQ, which was almost always T1, and even it was not great. Zergs of 40-50 people max at reset night, nothing like the old days when you had multiple zergs in separate squads all across the maps.

    I don't know why people seem to imagine the WvW population being hundreds of players. Its dozens, across all servers.

    Let me put this real to you. Even if ArenaNet merged the entire NA region down to just three servers and put them in a matchup, you still wouldn't see map queues for most of the day, only at primetime and on weekends..

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  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Closing servers does not automatically force transfers... servers were closed before links and it didn't force players to move, most players want to move up for more action, the only ones moving down are roamers and small groups who can't handle big zergs, and that's the minority of players.

    ^ Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Perma stealth is needed to outrun zergs." - Thieves
    "There's no power creep, you just don't recognize more people hitting you." - Flat Earther

  • UGH!!!! The suspense is killing me!! Who are we going to be linked with so I can start kitten and moaning? Actually, I'm excited to see who our new partners in crime will be. :D

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Grey Mane.9487 said:
    UGH!!!! The suspense is killing me!! Who are we going to be linked with so I can start kitten and moaning? Actually, I'm excited to see who our new partners in crime will be. :D

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/96731/world-linking-1-31-2020

    ^ Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Perma stealth is needed to outrun zergs." - Thieves
    "There's no power creep, you just don't recognize more people hitting you." - Flat Earther