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So found out there's a 15 min time limit after you make a post you make any edits to it.
Don't know about anyone else, but i tend to find my grammar mistakes like a day after i make a post :'(

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  • Electro.4173Electro.4173 Member ✭✭✭

    I wonder if the time to edit doesn't increase based on your rank, perhaps becoming unlimited at a certain point. I know I've been to other forums where that was the case.

  • Rauderi.8706Rauderi.8706 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Boysenberry.1869 said:
    I always find it helpful to write up forum posts (unless they're really short) in some kind of word processor before posting. It helps with spelling and makes sure it doesn't vanish to some kind of posting error.

    I got used to doing this with the old forums for exactly that reason. :)

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Boysenberry.1869 said:
    I always find it helpful to write up forum posts (unless they're really short) in some kind of word processor before posting. It helps with spelling and makes sure it doesn't vanish to some kind of posting error.

    Apparently the new forum saves drafts of your posts. I don't know (because I haven't looked) where you can access them, but a few times it's told me it's saved a draft as I'm typing.

    However I agree that it would be helpful to be able to edit a post soon after posting it. No matter how much care I take writing it and re-reading before I post it always seems to be after hitting post that I notice a mistake.

    Danielle Aurorel, Desolation EU. Mini Collector

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  • Razor.9872Razor.9872 Member ✭✭✭

    Darn, that's a bummer for people who want to create poster-contributed threads. I guess that's what reddit will be used for.

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  • @Razor.9872 said:
    Darn, that's a bummer for people who want to create poster-contributed threads. I guess that's what reddit will be used for.

    Or writers. Currently, I can't give updates on the main post of my fan story. :/ I agree, the editing time-limit should be removed.

  • yea, this is not really a good thing. Sometimes i find mistakes an hour after i posted, and you cant update the post :/

  • Electro.4173Electro.4173 Member ✭✭✭

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Boysenberry.1869 said:
    I always find it helpful to write up forum posts (unless they're really short) in some kind of word processor before posting. It helps with spelling and makes sure it doesn't vanish to some kind of posting error.

    Apparently the new forum saves drafts of your posts. I don't know (because I haven't looked) where you can access them, but a few times it's told me it's saved a draft as I'm typing.

    However I agree that it would be helpful to be able to edit a post soon after posting it. No matter how much care I take writing it and re-reading before I post it always seems to be after hitting post that I notice a mistake.

    It automatically loads the latest draft that's been saved if you start replying in the same thread. Not sure how it works if you're creating a new topic, maybe it just auto-loads the most recent draft of that as well.

    At least when its actually working. I've seen a few error messages pop up so far on this forum here.

  • Remove this limit!!
    I often rephrase/correct the sentences of my posts long after 15 minutes to get my message across as well as possible.

  • Tiscan.8345Tiscan.8345 Member ✭✭✭

    @BobbyT.7192 said:
    So found out there's a 15 min time limit after you make a post you make any edits to it.
    Don't know about anyone else, but i tend to find my grammar mistakes like a day after i make a post :'(

    Not to mention that it makes it pretty much impossible to post any kind of guides in the forum that need to be edited from time to time. Probably the worst new "feature".

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2017

    I'm not a fan of this feature either. There are times that you want to edit a post after 15 minutes. Misspellings, wrong information, new information, something said that is derailing subsequent conversation and removing stops that. All valid reasons to edit after posting.

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  • It seems odd to me that there needs to be a time limit on edits. What problem does limiting it address? I would like to see the time limit removed as there are a number of previously stated reasons why removing the limit would be advantageous.

    Being able to update a lfg post through editing seems to be a better solution than updating the whole thread with a new post. As it is now, anytime someone updates it to say they are no longer looking, they will need to post in the thread. This will essentially necro the thread and bring to the top of the list a topic that is no longer relevant. As Anet has stated necro'd threads are something they wish to avoid, it seems that simply removing the time limit on editing would be the simplest solution.

    Also as someone who makes a lot of typos, having a time limit on noticing them concerns me.

  • Tiscan.8345Tiscan.8345 Member ✭✭✭

    Btw. apparently, you can edit postings for up to 4 hours (WHOA!!! yeah, irony) once you reach "Veteran"-rank. And someone on the german forums mentioned that if you edit a posting too often it gets deleted automatically !?!?!???

  • @Tiscan.8345 said:
    Btw. apparently, you can edit postings for up to 4 hours (WHOA!!! yeah, irony) once you reach "Veteran"-rank. And someone on the german forums mentioned that if you edit a posting too often it gets deleted automatically !?!?!???

    It gets sent in for approval. So essentially.

  • calb.3128calb.3128 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't know how much flexibility there is in the platform, but would a fair chunk of the concerns be satisfied if the thread author can edit his/her posts in that thread without time restriction? Or at least the first post in the thread? It wouldn't please everyone, but seems like a half way house.

  • @calb.3128 said:
    I don't know how much flexibility there is in the platform, but would a fair chunk of the concerns be satisfied if the thread author can edit his/her posts in that thread without time restriction? Or at least the first post in the thread? It wouldn't please everyone, but seems like a half way house.

    YES. I'd be fine with this. @Gaile Gray.6029 Take a look, I think this is something you guys ought to consider. :)

  • Since most of you didn't bother reading the post on how to use this forum. the 15 minute limit is only for recruit rank posters. Which, yes right now is everybody. But once you get your first rank up, you get a edit window of 4 hours.

    Don't believe me? Go read some stickied topics posted by Gaile. You'll learn all kinds of nifty things.

    The Splinter Warband [SWB] is looking for both new and experienced roleplayers to join our ranks.
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    PM if you're interested!
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  • crashburntoo.7431crashburntoo.7431 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2017

    @DBZVelena.5186 said:
    Since most of you didn't bother reading the post on how to use this forum. the 15 minute limit is only for recruit rank posters. Which, yes right now is everybody. But once you get your first rank up, you get a edit window of 4 hours.

    Don't believe me? Go read some stickied topics posted by Gaile. You'll learn all kinds of nifty things.

    This is great, but there would be many instances where a longer window is required (see @Inculpatus cedo.9234 post referencing the gift thread in Players helping Players).

    Edit (within 15min!): Another obvious area is guides and updates to first posts, which were also mentioned here.

    Let's be neighbours.

  • @DBZVelena.5186 said:
    Since most of you didn't bother reading the post on how to use this forum. the 15 minute limit is only for recruit rank posters. Which, yes right now is everybody. But once you get your first rank up, you get a edit window of 4 hours.

    Don't believe me? Go read some stickied topics posted by Gaile. You'll learn all kinds of nifty things.

    Awesome, but for someone who's going to update his Story main post with date-marked updates, 4 hours won't be enough unfortunately. I need infinite editing time, especially since my post is already set up with an "Updates" section and I can't edit that out now.

  • Aomine.5012Aomine.5012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2017

    Basically Anet combines the worst feature of reddit (downvote) and Gamefaq (time limit in editing) , put them together and make this forum....

    I'm like: "Seriously?"

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DBZVelena.5186 said:
    Since most of you didn't bother reading the post on how to use this forum. the 15 minute limit is only for recruit rank posters. Which, yes right now is everybody. But once you get your first rank up, you get a edit window of 4 hours.

    Don't believe me? Go read some stickied topics posted by Gaile. You'll learn all kinds of nifty things.

    That's a slight improvement which might address some of the concerns in this topic - like spotting typos after posting. But it doesn't help with the majority of the examples given.

    I don't understand the benefit to restricting it. Is it really likely to be a problem if someone wants to edit a post a day, a week or a year after posting?

    Danielle Aurorel, Desolation EU. Mini Collector

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  • calb.3128calb.3128 Member ✭✭✭

    @DBZVelena.5186 said:
    Since most of you didn't bother reading the post on how to use this forum. the 15 minute limit is only for recruit rank posters. Which, yes right now is everybody. But once you get your first rank up, you get a edit window of 4 hours.

    Don't believe me? Go read some stickied topics posted by Gaile. You'll learn all kinds of nifty things.

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  • DBZVelena.5186DBZVelena.5186 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2017

    I am not a dev, but i'm gonna guess and say that your editing window gets larger as you rank up on the forum. A similar system is at work on the ESO forums and if you compare systems, i'd bet 10g that it is the same system here only with a GW2 skin on it.
    I am sure that A-net will adjust the forums settings as needed if they notice a long term trend of the edit window being to small. But only when the forums have been in use for a while. Since a few hours is not enough time to evaluate if the settings are to strict or not.

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    PM if you're interested!
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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DBZVelena.5186 said:
    I am not a dev, but i'm gonna guess and say that your editing window gets larger as you rank up on the forum. A similar system is at work on the ESO forums and if you compare systems, i'd bet 10g that it is the same system here only with a GW2 skin on it.
    I am sure that A-net will adjust the forums settings as needed if they notice a long term trend of the edit window being to small. But only when the forums have been in use for a while. Since a few hours is not enough time to evaluate if the settings are to strict or not.

    This forum seems pretty much identical to the ESO one, except for a few details (like the reactions available), I assume they use the same software.

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    "Life's a journey, not a destination."

  • @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    To answer a few questions and comments:

    1. These forums do not support a edit limitation by sub-forum. I thought of that for forums like Community Creations, when someone pointed out they might want to edit their fanfic. However, that's simply not an option. On the other hand, we are able to set limitations by user group or rank.
    2. The above means that yes, higher ranks--those who have been active with meaningful posts and reactions--will have a longer edit period.\
    3. We cannot offer edit rights for the initial post but not others, as I saw mentioned above. It's edit all or edit nothing after the proscribed editing period.
    4. You can bet I'm aware of these concerns, and I'm investigating the best way to address them.

    By way of background, the edit limitation is a default function for many forums because it reduces a form of trolling: Someone insults a forum member, gets the desired heated response, then edits their comments to appear innocent of wrong-doing, after which they report the person who responded for wrongdoing. Or someone engages in hate speech, then edits hours later, having wrought some pretty nasty consequences on the community.

    You can see where those kinds of manipulation could have negative consequences. What are your thoughts on those? Have you experience that sort of issue - perhaps seen such an incident on another forum? The question is one of risk versus benefit, and I'm going to look into this over the next several days to figure out whether we want to make changes, and where those changes can most effectively be implemented.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

    Hey Gaile!
    I have seen where posts where edited after getting a response and it did cause a lot of trouble, up to and including getting innocent people banned from a forum. I have also seen some forums, (can't think of which ones unfortunately) that kept the unedited version as well. When you edited a post, the changes where tracked and a mod could always see the original post and any changes that where made to it, sort of like what Wikipedia does.

    Also, the search works! :+1: Really love the new forums.

  • @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    To answer a few questions and comments:

    1. These forums do not support a edit limitation by sub-forum. I thought of that for forums like Community Creations, when someone pointed out they might want to edit their fanfic. However, that's simply not an option. On the other hand, we are able to set limitations by user group or rank.
    2. The above means that yes, higher ranks--those who have been active with meaningful posts and reactions--will have a longer edit period.\
    3. We cannot offer edit rights for the initial post but not others, as I saw mentioned above. It's edit all or edit nothing after the proscribed editing period.
    4. You can bet I'm aware of these concerns, and I'm investigating the best way to address them.

    By way of background, the edit limitation is a default function for many forums because it reduces a form of trolling: Someone insults a forum member, gets the desired heated response, then edits their comments to appear innocent of wrong-doing, after which they report the person who responded for wrongdoing. Or someone engages in hate speech, then edits hours later, having wrought some pretty nasty consequences on the community.

    You can see where those kinds of manipulation could have negative consequences. What are your thoughts on those? Have you experience that sort of issue - perhaps seen such an incident on another forum? The question is one of risk versus benefit, and I'm going to look into this over the next several days to figure out whether we want to make changes, and where those changes can most effectively be implemented.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

    In my experience, the risk is extremely low. Trolls usually get their posts quoted, which they have no ability to change, so they don't get away with actions like those you describe.

    On the other hand, infinite edit times allow for so many useful things with forum posts, from guides, to stories, and from recruitment posts to fleshing out concept ideas for discussion. The limited edit time is without a doubt a massive detriment to the community.

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  • @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    To answer a few questions and comments:

    1. These forums do not support a edit limitation by sub-forum. I thought of that for forums like Community Creations, when someone pointed out they might want to edit their fanfic. However, that's simply not an option. On the other hand, we are able to set limitations by user group or rank.
    2. The above means that yes, higher ranks--those who have been active with meaningful posts and reactions--will have a longer edit period.\
    3. We cannot offer edit rights for the initial post but not others, as I saw mentioned above. It's edit all or edit nothing after the proscribed editing period.
    4. You can bet I'm aware of these concerns, and I'm investigating the best way to address them.

    By way of background, the edit limitation is a default function for many forums because it reduces a form of trolling: Someone insults a forum member, gets the desired heated response, then edits their comments to appear innocent of wrong-doing, after which they report the person who responded for wrongdoing. Or someone engages in hate speech, then edits hours later, having wrought some pretty nasty consequences on the community.

    You can see where those kinds of manipulation could have negative consequences. What are your thoughts on those? Have you experience that sort of issue - perhaps seen such an incident on another forum? The question is one of risk versus benefit, and I'm going to look into this over the next several days to figure out whether we want to make changes, and where those changes can most effectively be implemented.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

    I thought, though may be mistaken, that moderators could see whether posts had been edited on the old forums. I was pretty sure I read that posted by an official. If so, and if that function is included in these forums, there wouldn't really be a need to limit the editing window for that reason.

  • @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    You can see where those kinds of manipulation could have negative consequences. What are your thoughts on those? Have you experience that sort of issue - perhaps seen such an incident on another forum? The question is one of risk versus benefit, and I'm going to look into this over the next several days to figure out whether we want to make changes, and where those changes can most effectively be implemented.
    Thanks for sharing your insights.

    I've never found myself harmed by such trolls or their actions mostly because I personally don't engage them. I have seen others dragged through the mud on other forums when responding to trolls, but only after their own behavior was less than ideal. Also the effects are not long lasting on a community, once the situation and thread is moderated, it cleans up the mess. I would rather we hold everyone accountable for their actions in response to trolls rather than limit the forums in this way.

  • Gulesave.5073Gulesave.5073 Member ✭✭
    edited September 12, 2017

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    To answer a few questions and comments:

    1. These forums do not support a edit limitation by sub-forum. I thought of that for forums like Community Creations, when someone pointed out they might want to edit their fanfic. However, that's simply not an option. On the other hand, we are able to set limitations by user group or rank.
    2. The above means that yes, higher ranks--those who have been active with meaningful posts and reactions--will have a longer edit period.\
    3. We cannot offer edit rights for the initial post but not others, as I saw mentioned above. It's edit all or edit nothing after the proscribed editing period.
    4. You can bet I'm aware of these concerns, and I'm investigating the best way to address them.

    By way of background, the edit limitation is a default function for many forums because it reduces a form of trolling: Someone insults a forum member, gets the desired heated response, then edits their comments to appear innocent of wrong-doing, after which they report the person who responded for wrongdoing. Or someone engages in hate speech, then edits hours later, having wrought some pretty nasty consequences on the community.

    You can see where those kinds of manipulation could have negative consequences. What are your thoughts on those? Have you experience that sort of issue - perhaps seen such an incident on another forum? The question is one of risk versus benefit, and I'm going to look into this over the next several days to figure out whether we want to make changes, and where those changes can most effectively be implemented.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

    How about add-only editing? I would settle for being able to update by adding postscripts, without being able to change the existing contents.

  • Zacchary.6183Zacchary.6183 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    To answer a few questions and comments:

    1. These forums do not support a edit limitation by sub-forum. I thought of that for forums like Community Creations, when someone pointed out they might want to edit their fanfic. However, that's simply not an option. On the other hand, we are able to set limitations by user group or rank.
    2. The above means that yes, higher ranks--those who have been active with meaningful posts and reactions--will have a longer edit period.\
    3. We cannot offer edit rights for the initial post but not others, as I saw mentioned above. It's edit all or edit nothing after the proscribed editing period.
    4. You can bet I'm aware of these concerns, and I'm investigating the best way to address them.

    By way of background, the edit limitation is a default function for many forums because it reduces a form of trolling: Someone insults a forum member, gets the desired heated response, then edits their comments to appear innocent of wrong-doing, after which they report the person who responded for wrongdoing. Or someone engages in hate speech, then edits hours later, having wrought some pretty nasty consequences on the community.

    You can see where those kinds of manipulation could have negative consequences. What are your thoughts on those? Have you experience that sort of issue - perhaps seen such an incident on another forum? The question is one of risk versus benefit, and I'm going to look into this over the next several days to figure out whether we want to make changes, and where those changes can most effectively be implemented.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

    There is a way around that. You can let them add things but not subtract. That way, for people who write fanfics or guilds who update their recruitment posts regularly they can strike out the original or parts of it and add an "EDIT:" with the relevant info.

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  • Let me post my feedback here that we desperately need the ability to indefinitely edit our posts after they've been posted regardless of forum rank. Just one example where this is a major problem is in the already-difficult forum of guild recruitment. Your original post is going to need to be updated regularly with updated schedule information, updated roster information, updated officer lists, and more. Limiting the edit window makes guild recruitment extremely painful, and will only hurt the community.

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  • Ohoni.6057Ohoni.6057 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think the editing restrictions should be removed entirely. If this forum functions properly, then previous edits of the post should remain in a mod-accessible queue, so if someone says something mean and then edits it out then mods can still see what they originally said and react appropriately.

  • Electro.4173Electro.4173 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    To answer a few questions and comments:

    1. These forums do not support a edit limitation by sub-forum. I thought of that for forums like Community Creations, when someone pointed out they might want to edit their fanfic. However, that's simply not an option. On the other hand, we are able to set limitations by user group or rank.
    2. The above means that yes, higher ranks--those who have been active with meaningful posts and reactions--will have a longer edit period.\
    3. We cannot offer edit rights for the initial post but not others, as I saw mentioned above. It's edit all or edit nothing after the proscribed editing period.
    4. You can bet I'm aware of these concerns, and I'm investigating the best way to address them.

    By way of background, the edit limitation is a default function for many forums because it reduces a form of trolling: Someone insults a forum member, gets the desired heated response, then edits their comments to appear innocent of wrong-doing, after which they report the person who responded for wrongdoing. Or someone engages in hate speech, then edits hours later, having wrought some pretty nasty consequences on the community.

    You can see where those kinds of manipulation could have negative consequences. What are your thoughts on those? Have you experience that sort of issue - perhaps seen such an incident on another forum? The question is one of risk versus benefit, and I'm going to look into this over the next several days to figure out whether we want to make changes, and where those changes can most effectively be implemented.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

    The old GW2 forum didn't have an edit restriction, did it? So unless that trolling issue you described was something that was rampant on the old forums (which I don't think was the case, but then again I don't really have access to metrics like that) then I don't see why this one should need such a limitation either. You're dealing with the same playerbase here outside of the people who were banned and have been granted amnesty I suppose, though I imagine most of those people have long since moved on from the game anyway. So if it wasn't an issue then, it shouldn't be an issue now just because we have a new forum.

    I've seen that particular reasoning used on other forums as to why they impose an edit limit. I've never actually seen the action of the trolling going on, which to me means its either very uncommon (and not worth punishing everyone for the rare occasions it might happen) or that its not really that hard to take care of and gets quickly cleaned up even if it happens. In either case, it doesn't seem like a big enough issue from my perspective to limit editing when you know that restricting editing will most definitely cause issues.

  • Djinn.9245Djinn.9245 Member ✭✭✭

    @BobbyT.7192 said:
    So found out there's a 15 min time limit after you make a post you make any edits to it.
    Don't know about anyone else, but i tend to find my grammar mistakes like a day after i make a post :'(

    The 15 min time limit is a terrible idea. :(

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