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Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

I'm quite surprised noone has discussed Laranthir yet. Was he still Almorra's second-in-command by the time of Whisper in the Dark? If so, he should be the next leader of the Vigil.
In the story I get the impression that Jhavi could well take this place, but maybe she is just supposed to take over the keep.

Is Laranthir still part of the story, or did he resign sometime ago offscreen? If he's still around, he should return to the limelight very soon.

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  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    Alright, I thought I might have missed or forgotten something.
    So we have to wait and see what happens.

  • @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Also the writers probably want heavy focus on norm/charr, so the excuse that Vigil is "recovering of Bjora Massacre"(so they cant build up a largar scale operation) will be maintened to keep Laranthir/the pact as whole in offscreen.

    That would not prevent the Pact from sending in a fleet of airships and troops like they did at Thunderhead Peaks and Dragonfall. Granted, the losses at Thunderhead Peaks is probably something to keep them occupied. I won't expect Pact forces until Episode 3 at the earliest, and even that would just be the vanguard forces like in S4E4.

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  • Maybe he's still stranded at Dragon's Stand, trying to figure out how to get up "that tree".

    Jokes aside, all sylvari commanders are destined to die an atrocious death, so maybe it's better if he doesn't.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2019

    I think Laranthir will become the new leader of the vigil. Jhavi is just running the keep, but with her set up as a new character that’s central in this saga, I wouldn’t be surprised to see her take laranthir’s old position as second in command

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • Would like to know as well, though I suspect reason will be as simple as no VA anymore given they even changed Kasmeer's one.

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  • @NICENIKESHOE.7128 said:
    Would like to know as well, though I suspect reason will be as simple as no VA anymore given they even changed Kasmeer's one.

    Kasmeer sounded the same during Bound By Blood. Is that a more recent development? Or do you mean Rox's VA that was changed for S4E2.

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2019

    I doubt that VA will be a great reason to hold a character. Zojja's case is specific, because Anet created the hype around it. But laranthir, whos cares about his voice actor?

    i guess Anet learned the lesson, and will not invest/hype much more to bring remarkable VA for a characters with a long journey in the lore.

    Did it to villains is the best path, because villains are not to stay here forever(so they "remarkable" VA) like Balthazar, Joko..., ... so they did it to Jormag too, since Jormag will not be inteded to "stay here forever".

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  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2020

    Alrighty, let's do a tiny little necromancy here (I intended to make a new thread but remembered this one so here I go).

    As it contains spoilery things for S5.2:

    According to a letter found in Jora's Keep, Laranthir requested and got "a temporary leave of absence so he may return to the Grove."

    So, where does this take us (and him)? Did he just need a rest after all the fighting? Is he still in the Grove and we'll need to find him and tell him all the news?

    Is there more to it? Will there be complications? Vigil stuff? Sylvari stuff? Something completely different?

    I'm pretty intrigued (and set for a disappointment maybe?)...

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Alrighty, let's do a tiny little necromancy here (I intended to make a new thread but remembered this one so here I go).

    As it contains spoilery things for S5.2:

    According to a letter found in Jora's Keep, Laranthir requested and got "a temporary leave of absence so he may return to the Grove."

    So, where does this take us (and him)? Did he just need a rest after all the fighting? Is he still in the Grove and we'll need to find him and tell him all the news?

    Is there more to it? Will there be complications? Vigil stuff? Sylvari stuff? Something completely different?

    I'm pretty intrigued (and set for a disappointment maybe?)...

    I think this is just an excuse Arenanet rushed out to have a Norn, fitting for the story, be the new leader.
    It's almost as if Anet thought her being part of Svanir's family wasn't a good enough reason for her to join in.

    That aside, I can't imagine Laranthir fitting as the General.
    He's better as a leader of smaller, temporary groups that are formed for specific purposes.

  • @Abraxxus.8971 said:
    I saw him not long ago fighting the Shadow Behemoth in the swamp in Queensdale.

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  • Ultramex.1506Ultramex.1506 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2020

    He is sharing the same fate with Zojja

  • Aeon.4583Aeon.4583 Member ✭✭✭

    As it comes to Laranthir, it is highly possible that he took a leave of absence from Vigil for some time, Taking under consideration that Pale Tree is\was injured ( possibly cannot reproduce any longer ) and that Sylvari population been reduced around her, his presence in Grove will be more appropriate.

  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    Thanks for finding the letter. :) That clears things up.
    I mean, it's been how many years since the Vigil was founded? Surely things change over time, that's normal. So yes, it is obviously an excuse to get a norn into a prominent role, but at least there's some consistency and Laranthir has not been simply forgotten.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fenella.2634 said:
    Laranthir has not been simply forgotten.

    There still is the possibility that Arenanet forgot about him until they decided to read the forums for a bit.

  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    In that case I'm so glad I've started this topic. :lol:

  • Brycar.2651Brycar.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    You can find a note book with the explanation as an achievement in the latest chapter. He asked for some time off.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wasn't Jhavi just "acting second in command"

    Laranthir is on leave.

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  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Laranthir returning to the Grove could portend future developments there. As was pointed out, we're long overdue for an update on the status of the Pale Tree. And there's certainly plenty of room in however many episodes of LS5 we have left to make some story hops. Maybe we'll visit the Grove to rally additional Sylvari support, since they are likely more resistant to Jormag's whispers due to their origins. Or perhaps there are other events going on in the Grove which require Laranthir's presence; maybe the Pale Tree called him for some purpose, as she has done to other Sylvari. Or maybe he just needed a break; after all, even the most prominent leaders take time off every now and then.

    One thing is for sure: when word of the crisis in Bjora reaches Laranthir in the Grove, he will almost certainly come running with reinforcements in tow. What happens when he gets to Bjora and finds Jhavi doing well and having the support of the local troops? Will she give him a smooth turnover of command and step back? Will she demand to maintain her position? Will he dutifully stand aside and leave Jhavi in charge for now so as not to be disruptive in the present crisis, or will he be resentful? What will the Vigil troops under the different commanders do? Lots of potential drama as the Vigil faces arguably the worst crisis of its existence.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Laranthir returning to the Grove could portend future developments there. As was pointed out, we're long overdue for an update on the status of the Pale Tree. And there's certainly plenty of room in however many episodes of LS5 we have left to make some story hops. Maybe we'll visit the Grove to rally additional Sylvari support, since they are likely more resistant to Jormag's whispers due to their origins. Or perhaps there are other events going on in the Grove which require Laranthir's presence; maybe the Pale Tree called him for some purpose, as she has done to other Sylvari. Or maybe he just needed a break; after all, even the most prominent leaders take time off every now and then.

    One thing is for sure: when word of the crisis in Bjora reaches Laranthir in the Grove, he will almost certainly come running with reinforcements in tow. What happens when he gets to Bjora and finds Jhavi doing well and having the support of the local troops? Will she give him a smooth turnover of command and step back? Will she demand to maintain her position? Will he dutifully stand aside and leave Jhavi in charge for now so as not to be disruptive in the present crisis, or will he be resentful? What will the Vigil troops under the different commanders do? Lots of potential drama as the Vigil faces arguably the worst crisis of its existence.

    It's more likely that Arenanet forgot about him and that one note about his absence was just shoved into the game after players pointed out his absence.
    If noone had pointed it out, it's entirely that Arenanet wouldn't have put in that note.
    As for the pale tree, I doubt Arenanet will incorporate her into the story again anytime soon.
    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    I believe some sylvari could be more resistent to Jormag's whispers. Specifically the HoT veterans, not because immunity, but because "been there, done that, not again". But the younger ones are probably just as vulnerable as anyone else.

    @Fenella.2634 said:
    I can't imagine Laranthir and Jhavi starting a fight over who leads the Vigil. If Laranthir even considers to return, I'm sure they will work this issue out peacefully and professionally. They have both been with the Vigil for a long time and both have had high positions for years. When you replay the personal story as a member of the Vigil, you will notice Jhavi being there even back then. She didn't have any dialogue, but she was already a named NPC.
    As for Laranthir, he has proven in the PS and especially in HoT that he stays loyal and on track even when faced with severe opposition and distrust within the Pact. I absolutely cannot imagine him risking the Vigil's unity by insisting on his personal position. OTOH, I'm not even sure Jhavi herself would want to lead the Vigil. We don't know all that much about her yet. So far, she seems to be more interested in her family's history than politics.

    I can't either. However I see Laranthir as the one who probably wouldn't even be interested in the leading position. Also, I'm not sure how bad is the after-Mordy distrust to the sylvari in the present, but if it's still an issue (or he sees it that way) Laranthir woud certainly step down to not compromise the order.

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  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    "Rise my minion!"
    Alright, this minion is not really mine, but I'm necroing it again anyway, because we've had "development" in the Truce chapter. Anyone else getting slightly hopeful that Laranthir's absence may have an actual reason after all?

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  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    At least he is not forgotten, that was good to see. :)
    I hope the reason for his absence is not just "So Jhavi can become the new Vigil leader without serious discussion", though. I mean, we don't have to have those discussions on screen, but I think they should still happen within the Vigil. This is kind of an important matter to the order.

  • HotDelirium.7984HotDelirium.7984 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 23, 2020

    Maybe he got a new Wyld Hunt?
    Voice actors don't usually have it in their contract that only they can voice that character do they?
    They could have hired a new voice actress for Zoija by now.
    Someone said there was some dialogue of the Pale Tree still recovering?

  • Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 23, 2020

    @HotDelirium.7984 said:

    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

    It has been implied that Sylvari were immune to corruption due to being minions of Mordremoth.
    I don't think it was directly stated anywhere though.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @HotDelirium.7984 said:
    Maybe he got a new Wyld Hunt?
    Voice actors don't usually have it in their contract that only they can voice that character do they?
    They could have hired a new voice actress for Zoija by now.

    I wish they would, Zojja not having any role in a Primordus plot is going to be a serious disappointment.
    Specially now that we're going back to Rata Sum and having a whole Frost Legion Asura alliance going on.
    Zojja needs to come back into the story asap and if that means recasting her then just do it Anet, nobody will care at this point.

    Someone said there was some dialogue of the Pale Tree still recovering?

    There was yes, I don't remember exactly what was said but I think it was along the lines of, Wounds as deep as the ones she sustained will take a long time to fully heal but she's doing much better now.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @HotDelirium.7984 said:

    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

    It has been implied that Sylvari were immune to corruption due to being minions of Mordremoth.
    I don't think it was directly stated anywhere though.

    Still a controversial topic, with Sylvari being immune because of being a dragon minion or because of the protection of the Pale Tree through the dream. It’s unfortunately still a topic we don’t have a concrete answer to.

    I’m still of the opinion that it’s a combination of the two. As to date we haven’t seen another dragon minion be corrupted by another dragon( we got Subject Alpha, etc. because of Inquest meddling, blah blah, but still no actual evidence like what would happen if Kralkatorrik branded over a Risen while Zhaitan was alive.)

    During the personal story, it was advised that the Sylvari were immune to the corruption of Zhaitan, which allowed the Pact a victory in Orr, among other reasons. Even in Caledon Forest you had Risen fighting right next to the Soundless village, (which should have no such protection) which produced no Risen Sylvari.

    In Season 2, the Pale Tree spoke about that the reason the Sylvari were immune to dragon corruption was because of the Pale Trees protection. This is of course the Pale Trees reasoning without telling the other races that they are all dragon minions. This protection is also talking about Mordremoth’s corruption as well, mainly because you need to explain how a whole playable race isn’t immediately taken over by Mordremoth the very second it awakes.

    Then you have Taimi advising that she thought dragon minions couldn’t be corrupted by other dragons in Season 4, but again no concrete answers, other then the reasoning from Taimi that maybe because Aurene absorbed Mordremoth’s energy as an egg.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @HotDelirium.7984 said:

    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

    It has been implied that Sylvari were immune to corruption due to being minions of Mordremoth.
    I don't think it was directly stated anywhere though.

    Still a controversial topic, with Sylvari being immune because of being a dragon minion or because of the protection of the Pale Tree through the dream. It’s unfortunately still a topic we don’t have a concrete answer to.

    I’m still of the opinion that it’s a combination of the two. As to date we haven’t seen another dragon minion be corrupted by another dragon( we got Subject Alpha, etc. because of Inquest meddling, blah blah, but still no actual evidence like what would happen if Kralkatorrik branded over a Risen while Zhaitan was alive.)

    During the personal story, it was advised that the Sylvari were immune to the corruption of Zhaitan, which allowed the Pact a victory in Orr, among other reasons. Even in Caledon Forest you had Risen fighting right next to the Soundless village, (which should have no such protection) which produced no Risen Sylvari.

    In Season 2, the Pale Tree spoke about that the reason the Sylvari were immune to dragon corruption was because of the Pale Trees protection. This is of course the Pale Trees reasoning without telling the other races that they are all dragon minions. This protection is also talking about Mordremoth’s corruption as well, mainly because you need to explain how a whole playable race isn’t immediately taken over by Mordremoth the very second it awakes.

    Then you have Taimi advising that she thought dragon minions couldn’t be corrupted by other dragons in Season 4, but again no concrete answers, other then the reasoning from Taimi that maybe because Aurene absorbed Mordremoth’s energy as an egg.

    Guess the closest thing we have is Caithe being kinda branded by Aurine and the Awakened Sylvari that Joko managed to enslave.
    The specifics of these are still unclear though, the latter we'll likely never get an answer for since Joko is probably nothing more than a pile of fertiliser on a mountain somewhere these days.

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Anyone else getting slightly hopeful that Laranthir's absence may have an actual reason after all?

    No.

    After what they did to the Spirits, the norn aspect of the Saga in general, and to my boy Smodur - zero faith in ANet's narrative capabilities. I'd prefer they not ruin Laranthir somehow as well.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @HotDelirium.7984 said:

    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

    It has been implied that Sylvari were immune to corruption due to being minions of Mordremoth.
    I don't think it was directly stated anywhere though.

    Still a controversial topic, with Sylvari being immune because of being a dragon minion or because of the protection of the Pale Tree through the dream. It’s unfortunately still a topic we don’t have a concrete answer to.

    I’m still of the opinion that it’s a combination of the two. As to date we haven’t seen another dragon minion be corrupted by another dragon( we got Subject Alpha, etc. because of Inquest meddling, blah blah, but still no actual evidence like what would happen if Kralkatorrik branded over a Risen while Zhaitan was alive.)

    During the personal story, it was advised that the Sylvari were immune to the corruption of Zhaitan, which allowed the Pact a victory in Orr, among other reasons. Even in Caledon Forest you had Risen fighting right next to the Soundless village, (which should have no such protection) which produced no Risen Sylvari.

    In Season 2, the Pale Tree spoke about that the reason the Sylvari were immune to dragon corruption was because of the Pale Trees protection. This is of course the Pale Trees reasoning without telling the other races that they are all dragon minions. This protection is also talking about Mordremoth’s corruption as well, mainly because you need to explain how a whole playable race isn’t immediately taken over by Mordremoth the very second it awakes.

    Then you have Taimi advising that she thought dragon minions couldn’t be corrupted by other dragons in Season 4, but again no concrete answers, other then the reasoning from Taimi that maybe because Aurene absorbed Mordremoth’s energy as an egg.

    Guess the closest thing we have is Caithe being kinda branded by Aurine and the Awakened Sylvari that Joko managed to enslave.
    The specifics of these are still unclear though, the latter we'll likely never get an answer for since Joko is probably nothing more than a pile of fertiliser on a mountain somewhere these days.

    That’s another oddity is that the Pale Tree protection that is allegedly suppose to protect the Sylvari from the Elder Dragons is defeated by Joko’s awakening magic. That’s unless that protection only extends to Mordremoth and that the other dragon’s can’t corrupt the Sylvari.

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Anyone else getting slightly hopeful that Laranthir's absence may have an actual reason after all?

    No.

    After what they did to the Spirits, the norn aspect of the Saga in general, and to my boy Smodur - zero faith in ANet's narrative capabilities. I'd prefer they not ruin Laranthir somehow as well.

    Might be the wise thing to do. I'm afraid it will end up like that but I still can't not get my hopes up. Oh well, the dissapointment to come is my own doing I guess.

    And slightly off-topic, I was not pleased by Aife coming all the way to the EotN and tell me almost the same thing we've been told for FIVE KITTEN YEARS about the Pale Tree's health.

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  • @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Anyone else getting slightly hopeful that Laranthir's absence may have an actual reason after all?

    No.

    After what they did to the Spirits, the norn aspect of the Saga in general, and to my boy Smodur - zero faith in ANet's narrative capabilities. I'd prefer they not ruin Laranthir somehow as well.

    Well I guess they are right about one thing...its DEF the Icebrood saga and has NOTHING to do with the Norn ._.

  • @anninke.7469 said:

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Anyone else getting slightly hopeful that Laranthir's absence may have an actual reason after all?

    No.

    After what they did to the Spirits, the norn aspect of the Saga in general, and to my boy Smodur - zero faith in ANet's narrative capabilities. I'd prefer they not ruin Laranthir somehow as well.

    Might be the wise thing to do. I'm afraid it will end up like that but I still can't not get my hopes up. Oh well, the dissapointment to come is my own doing I guess.

    And slightly off-topic, I was not pleased by Aife coming all the way to the EotN and tell me almost the same thing we've been told for FIVE KITTEN YEARS about the Pale Tree's health.

    Longest recovery ever.

    I've always wondered though from a narrative perspective- the push and pull between doing what organically and logically would happen from characters and events to doing things slightly different for the sake of keeping it fresh and not treading the same old tropes?

  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 24, 2020

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @HotDelirium.7984 said:

    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

    It has been implied that Sylvari were immune to corruption due to being minions of Mordremoth.
    I don't think it was directly stated anywhere though.

    Still a controversial topic, with Sylvari being immune because of being a dragon minion or because of the protection of the Pale Tree through the dream. It’s unfortunately still a topic we don’t have a concrete answer to.

    I’m still of the opinion that it’s a combination of the two. As to date we haven’t seen another dragon minion be corrupted by another dragon( we got Subject Alpha, etc. because of Inquest meddling, blah blah, but still no actual evidence like what would happen if Kralkatorrik branded over a Risen while Zhaitan was alive.)

    During the personal story, it was advised that the Sylvari were immune to the corruption of Zhaitan, which allowed the Pact a victory in Orr, among other reasons. Even in Caledon Forest you had Risen fighting right next to the Soundless village, (which should have no such protection) which produced no Risen Sylvari.

    In Season 2, the Pale Tree spoke about that the reason the Sylvari were immune to dragon corruption was because of the Pale Trees protection. This is of course the Pale Trees reasoning without telling the other races that they are all dragon minions. This protection is also talking about Mordremoth’s corruption as well, mainly because you need to explain how a whole playable race isn’t immediately taken over by Mordremoth the very second it awakes.

    Then you have Taimi advising that she thought dragon minions couldn’t be corrupted by other dragons in Season 4, but again no concrete answers, other then the reasoning from Taimi that maybe because Aurene absorbed Mordremoth’s energy as an egg.

    Guess the closest thing we have is Caithe being kinda branded by Aurine and the Awakened Sylvari that Joko managed to enslave.
    The specifics of these are still unclear though, the latter we'll likely never get an answer for since Joko is probably nothing more than a pile of fertiliser on a mountain somewhere these days.

    That’s another oddity is that the Pale Tree protection that is allegedly suppose to protect the Sylvari from the Elder Dragons is defeated by Joko’s awakening magic. That’s unless that protection only extends to Mordremoth and that the other dragon’s can’t corrupt the Sylvari.

    Or Risen are different from Awakened. I think the protection is against unwillingly being corrupted, not complete immunity to necromancy.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @HotDelirium.7984 said:

    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

    It has been implied that Sylvari were immune to corruption due to being minions of Mordremoth.
    I don't think it was directly stated anywhere though.

    Still a controversial topic, with Sylvari being immune because of being a dragon minion or because of the protection of the Pale Tree through the dream. It’s unfortunately still a topic we don’t have a concrete answer to.

    I’m still of the opinion that it’s a combination of the two. As to date we haven’t seen another dragon minion be corrupted by another dragon( we got Subject Alpha, etc. because of Inquest meddling, blah blah, but still no actual evidence like what would happen if Kralkatorrik branded over a Risen while Zhaitan was alive.)

    During the personal story, it was advised that the Sylvari were immune to the corruption of Zhaitan, which allowed the Pact a victory in Orr, among other reasons. Even in Caledon Forest you had Risen fighting right next to the Soundless village, (which should have no such protection) which produced no Risen Sylvari.

    In Season 2, the Pale Tree spoke about that the reason the Sylvari were immune to dragon corruption was because of the Pale Trees protection. This is of course the Pale Trees reasoning without telling the other races that they are all dragon minions. This protection is also talking about Mordremoth’s corruption as well, mainly because you need to explain how a whole playable race isn’t immediately taken over by Mordremoth the very second it awakes.

    Then you have Taimi advising that she thought dragon minions couldn’t be corrupted by other dragons in Season 4, but again no concrete answers, other then the reasoning from Taimi that maybe because Aurene absorbed Mordremoth’s energy as an egg.

    Guess the closest thing we have is Caithe being kinda branded by Aurine and the Awakened Sylvari that Joko managed to enslave.
    The specifics of these are still unclear though, the latter we'll likely never get an answer for since Joko is probably nothing more than a pile of fertiliser on a mountain somewhere these days.

    That’s another oddity is that the Pale Tree protection that is allegedly suppose to protect the Sylvari from the Elder Dragons is defeated by Joko’s awakening magic. That’s unless that protection only extends to Mordremoth and that the other dragon’s can’t corrupt the Sylvari.

    Or Risen are different from Awakened. I think the protection is against unwillingly being corrupted, not complete immunity to necromancy.

    Well one is dragon corruption, the other is being reanimated and bound to the will of Joko, which although being different is similar to Zhaitan.

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    Also, as we have seen with Caithe in Season 4, Sylvari are no longer immune to being corrupted by other dragons. Who's to say Aurene is the only one being able to convert other dragon's minions?

    Was that due to the good Sylvari being microscopically still connected to Mordremoth ( a guess highly diluted but still dragon minions) before we killed him?

    It has been implied that Sylvari were immune to corruption due to being minions of Mordremoth.
    I don't think it was directly stated anywhere though.

    Still a controversial topic, with Sylvari being immune because of being a dragon minion or because of the protection of the Pale Tree through the dream. It’s unfortunately still a topic we don’t have a concrete answer to.

    I’m still of the opinion that it’s a combination of the two. As to date we haven’t seen another dragon minion be corrupted by another dragon( we got Subject Alpha, etc. because of Inquest meddling, blah blah, but still no actual evidence like what would happen if Kralkatorrik branded over a Risen while Zhaitan was alive.)

    During the personal story, it was advised that the Sylvari were immune to the corruption of Zhaitan, which allowed the Pact a victory in Orr, among other reasons. Even in Caledon Forest you had Risen fighting right next to the Soundless village, (which should have no such protection) which produced no Risen Sylvari.

    In Season 2, the Pale Tree spoke about that the reason the Sylvari were immune to dragon corruption was because of the Pale Trees protection. This is of course the Pale Trees reasoning without telling the other races that they are all dragon minions. This protection is also talking about Mordremoth’s corruption as well, mainly because you need to explain how a whole playable race isn’t immediately taken over by Mordremoth the very second it awakes.

    Then you have Taimi advising that she thought dragon minions couldn’t be corrupted by other dragons in Season 4, but again no concrete answers, other then the reasoning from Taimi that maybe because Aurene absorbed Mordremoth’s energy as an egg.

    Guess the closest thing we have is Caithe being kinda branded by Aurine and the Awakened Sylvari that Joko managed to enslave.
    The specifics of these are still unclear though, the latter we'll likely never get an answer for since Joko is probably nothing more than a pile of fertiliser on a mountain somewhere these days.

    That’s another oddity is that the Pale Tree protection that is allegedly suppose to protect the Sylvari from the Elder Dragons is defeated by Joko’s awakening magic. That’s unless that protection only extends to Mordremoth and that the other dragon’s can’t corrupt the Sylvari.

    Or Risen are different from Awakened. I think the protection is against unwillingly being corrupted, not complete immunity to necromancy.

    Well one is dragon corruption, the other is being reanimated and bound to the will of Joko, which although being different is similar to Zhaitan.

    Aye, we don't quite know the specifics but the two do seem to be different.
    Zhaitans magic while Necromantic isn't quite the same as the Necromancy we use, much like how Jormag is about Ice/water magic and yet it's different to the kind of magic elementalists have access to, same goes for other Dragons and their powers.

    Plus Joko is/was on a whole other level to most common Necromancers, partly perks of being a Lich I guess although I expect it had more to do with his exceptionally long life and the kind of power and knowledge he accumulated in that time, much of which is probably long lost to time.