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  • magic fly.2041magic fly.2041 Member ✭✭
    edited October 12, 2019

    Shing jea island and the Jade Sea were my favorite places in GW1.

    Factions is the GW1 campaign I played the most.

    I would love to see the canthan continent re-appear in GW2.

    (Except for the echovald forest. That forest was just plain bland. I don't care to see it again.)

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2019

    @magic fly.2041 said:
    Shing jea island and the Jade Sea were my favorite places in GW1.

    Factions is the GW1 campaign I played the most.

    I would love to see the canthan continent re-appear in GW2.

    (Except for the echovald forest. That forest was just plain bland. I don't care to see it again.)

    Well, you'd be disappointed...the Jade Sea is no longer as you remember it, it's returned to it's former self as an actual sea and Echovald Forest is green again, no longer petrified. As for those saying it would have to be moved, it doesn't, it's already on Tyria...it would easily fit in the existing map...on the other side of the Unending Ocean, why do you think it's there in the first place?

    Having said that, no, we don't need to go to Cantha...we should go further East and West from the existing world.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Should Arenanet start doing an expansion?
    Yes, it's already long overdue.
    Should that expansion be about Cantha?
    Not necessarily. We still have a lot more regions we haven't visited yet.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2019

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Yes to Cantha. No need for the poll to be private lol. None of the above appear to be shy about their votes.

    With the recent controversy Blizzard has with the Hong Kong situation, I doubt Anet want to get caught up in that by doing a Cantha expansion.

    Just look at this thread on Reddit on how easily Cantha will spark anger in some higher up Chineses officials and get the whole game banned in China.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/45sicw/gw1_factions_did_anybody_else_catch_this/

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's a fantasy world. Don't really know what else there is to say. Give us a GW2 Cantha. I don't care if the entire theme changes. I want this part of the world fleshed out just as much as I want the rest of the Tyria map to become playable. Leave out culture references for easily offended cultures and incorporate elements from cultures with thicker skins or make up something completely new. Just don't leave the Cantha part of Tyria blank.

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    It's a fantasy world. Don't really know what else there is to say. Give us a GW2 Cantha. I don't care if the entire theme changes. I want this part of the world fleshed out just as much as I want the rest of the Tyria map to become playable. Leave out culture references for easily offended cultures and incorporate elements from cultures with thicker skins or make up something completely new. Just don't leave the Cantha part of Tyria blank.

    "Give us Cantha.... but not."

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anybody who is actually paying attention to the direction of things knows that Cantha and Bubbles are already in the works.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, as a part of that expac they are working on so hard right now.[/sarcasm]

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yes, they should have already started imho...

    "Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never be able to injure you!"
    The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    It's a fantasy world. Don't really know what else there is to say. Give us a GW2 Cantha. I don't care if the entire theme changes. I want this part of the world fleshed out just as much as I want the rest of the Tyria map to become playable. Leave out culture references for easily offended cultures and incorporate elements from cultures with thicker skins or make up something completely new. Just don't leave the Cantha part of Tyria blank.

    "Give us Cantha.... but not."

    If that is what it takes then yes.

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • Shadowmoon.7986Shadowmoon.7986 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 14, 2019

    Look what is going in with Blizzard/nba/apple right now. Clearly china is censoring western games with thier market share. If you believe that Cantha can exist in China without painting its xenophobic authoritarian Dragon emperor into an asian messiah, i have a bridge to sell you.
    Cantha has already been censored out of divinity reach for the korean market which never materialized, ncsoft will avoid the area to avoid all their games being censored in China.
    Any attempt to write an story in that region will either offend western audiences for glorifying a dictator probably worse than joko, or offend Chinese officials for painting their government in a negative light.

  • MokahTGS.7850MokahTGS.7850 Member ✭✭✭

    While I voted for "Should" I strongly agree with the idea that Anet simply lacks the "could" capability at this point. Sagas are a structural tool for a company that is trying to stay afloat. Could we see Cantha in the future? Sure, but I think it would come area by area over a long amount of time if the studio can keep the lights on.

  • Kelly.7019Kelly.7019 Member ✭✭✭

    xpacs should have been at set intervals. the game franchise could have laste a long long time while performing well. but so many mistakes by anet. informing players of upcoming things. not doing those up coming things. not informing players. introducing things players never asked for. it's just kind of like what are htey doing? people say its 7 years old but look at WoW. at a decade they were still going strong. I see gw2 in the same light. there's a whole map of uncharted territory we have yet to venture into. Gw2 has many more areas to delve into. whether they want to rehash old content for nostalgia or create new content and go places they never went in GW1. Now this new content or new areas would that be GW3? Doesn't have to be. GW2 should check all that stuff out first.

  • SoulGuardian.6203SoulGuardian.6203 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2019

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Yes to Cantha. No need for the poll to be private lol. None of the above appear to be shy about their votes.

    With the recent controversy Blizzard has with the Hong Kong situation, I doubt Anet want to get caught up in that by doing a Cantha expansion.

    Just look at this thread on Reddit on how easily Cantha will spark anger in some higher up Chineses officials and get the whole game banned in China.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/45sicw/gw1_factions_did_anybody_else_catch_this/

    Cantha doesn't have aspects of merely china nor korea, alone.

    The assassin profession is actually japanese, and the ritualist resembles thailandese culture; so I'd say keep it at those two, and we're green.

    To me, it looks like the Kurzicks are more of Thailandese culture, and Luxons are around bangladesh.

    Only Kaineng city has the appearance of being china. But like everything in GW2. Most of it has changed.

    Make it so the emperor, guards, citizens, etc resemble Japanese, and Thailandese; or even Mongolian.

    I do totally understand your point.
    But why would a game project would not go ahead because of some other countries problems?
    Surely people have matured enough to see that a fantasy videogame is merely fantasy, and just about being only inspired by real life, but nothing at all to do with it.
    I don't see queen Elizabeth saying to ANet "How dare you represent medieval England and Europe in your games?"

    I suppose you're right to a certain extent though. Anet doesn't want to take the risk.
    Still, as I mentioned; Japan and Thailand are a way to go. It's an option.

    The Orient is gigantic.
    It starts in Mongolia, passing through Japan, Nepal, Singapore, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, even partial India shares oriental roots.
    Why does it have to be based on china or korea at all?

  • SoulGuardian.6203SoulGuardian.6203 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2019

    In my country, we have a saying.
    "It's 8 or 80 to you"
    Meaning, there's no happy medium, no middle ground for you?

    If people want cantha that badly, they're just going to have to accept the changes that ANet will have to do.
    But I personally think that it's better to have anything, than nothing at all.

    There are a few aspects of the game that I don't like or disagree with, but hey, here I am.

    For instance, PoF dragon should have been the "Fire" Dragon primordious.
    Human story should have started in the fields of ruin against the charr, and in fact, fields of ruin should have been ascalon.
    Kamadan should have not been taken over by joko, and we should have access to the entire island of istan, including Latenda Bog, instead of making up an entire new island.
    Kralkatorik should have fallen just east of scavengers causeway.
    That’s what the purple volcano is there on the first place.
    Why didn't we get Nundu Bay?
    So much stuff... I can't count...

    But my personal taste and oppinion means precisely squat to ANet.
    They have paid, and qualified staff for those purposes.

    All we're doing is speculate, but they can well contact the chinese government and ask if it's ok to make a continent based on china , even though we already established that GW1 cantha had a lot more other oriental cultures than china.
    Again, Assassin being Japanese, Ritualist being Thailandese, etc...

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2019

    @SoulGuardian.6203 said:
    Assassin being Japanese

    Assassins didn't strike me a Japanese-themed at all.
    If anything, I'd consider them Arabic, based on etymology alone.
    But people stabbing others "from the shadows" always existed in all cultures around the globe.

    Ritualist being Thailandese, etc...

    Why would you associate this with Thailand specifically?
    I'd rather associate them with China, as Jiang Shi (Chinese Zombies/Vampires) are death-related and often depicted with there eyes covered by Talismans (analog to Rtualists head pieces covering the eyes).
    That aside, the adjective is Thai. I don't think 'Thailandese' is a real word.

  • SoulGuardian.6203SoulGuardian.6203 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @SoulGuardian.6203 said:
    Assassin being Japanese

    Assassins didn't strike me a Japanese-themed at all.
    If anything, I'd consider them Arabic, based on etymology alone.
    But people stabbing others "from the shadows" always existed in all cultures around the globe.

    ...which leads to my point exactly that cantha is more than china.
    We all know the ninja assassin has the rep to be Japanese... but yes, Arabia also had its share of assassins from early ages.
    Still, let Arabs remain in Elona, if you can.

    Ritualist being Thailandese, etc...

    Why would you associate this with Thailand specifically?
    I'd rather associate them with China, as Jiang Shi (Chinese Zombies/Vampires) are death-related and often depicted with there eyes covered by Talismans (analog to Rtualists head pieces covering the eyes).
    That aside, the adjective is Thai. I don't think 'Thailandese' is a real word.

    If you look up thailandese culture, you will see the resemblance to ritualist clothing, adornments, tatoos, and dance moves.
    Also Nepal has a very similar culture.
    Put your rit to dance and see.
    /dance

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2019

    @SoulGuardian.6203 said:
    We all know the ninja assassin has the rep to be Japanese...

    And there is the problem with that.
    Assassins weren't even depicted as Ninja. In fact, despite 'common knowledge' from modern fantasy media, Ninja actually were no Assassins (other than very few specific individuals like the alleged demon Fuuma Kotarou).
    There were based on the general "unseen" murderers, with only the name having any specific connection to Asia, only vaguely resembling the original word.
    Even the Wiki entry says they basically were murderers.
    Unlike Ninja, they weren't spies, scouts or soldiers.
    Not even the skills resemble anything Asian, other than the occasional mentions of Lotus (which allegedly also grows in Northern parts of Australia) and Assassin. You could replace all mentions of Lotus with Poppy and all mentions of Assassin with hired knife; suddenly you have a perfectly German murderer.
    If I had to choose, I'd say GW1 Assassins are closer related to Western Rogues in WoW than the Ninja in FF14.

  • SoulGuardian.6203SoulGuardian.6203 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @SoulGuardian.6203 said:
    We all know the ninja assassin has the rep to be Japanese...

    And there is the problem with that.
    Assassins weren't even depicted as Ninja.
    There were based on the general "unseen" murderers, with only the name having any specific connection to Asia, only vaguely resembling the original word.
    Even the Wiki entry says they basically were murderers.
    Unlike Ninja, they weren't spies, scouts or soldiers.
    Not even the skills resemble anything Asian, other than the occasional mentions of Lotus (which allegedly also grows in Northern parts of Australia) and Assassin. You could replace all mentions of Lotus with Poppy and all mentions of Assassin with hired knife; suddenly you have a perfectly German murderer.

    Yeah. In short, you have a very valid and logic point.

    Make Cantha, change the names slightly, and voila.
    Everyone is happy.
    No WW3, and ANet can live a long and fruitful life.
    Come on GW3.
    Bring it on.

  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This polls question is terrible. Should they ? I dunno, theres alot of things involved. Better let some else with more info make that decision.

    Do I want to see it at some point? Definitely.

    So I voted yes.

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭

    There might be reasons against it, but this is what I personally prefer: YES! GIVE ME CANTHA AND I WILL GIVE YOU MONEY.

  • SoulGuardian.6203SoulGuardian.6203 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Walhalla.5473 said:
    Seems like the Cantha meme just doesn't die.

    Also. Why Cantha? Why another human centric expansion, after we had a LOT of focus on the humans for 2 Living Story Seasons and an entire expansion? First we need something for the Norn, Charr and Asura before going back to Humans again.

    You know what.
    Not to contradict myself, but I actually agree with you.
    Let other races get their well deserved highlight.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Walhalla.5473 said:
    Norn, Charr and Asura

    Norn and Charr are currently getting their story in LS5.
    Asura probably get their story afterwards, when we deal with Primordius,
    hopefully in an expansion to the subterranean tunnels and old Asuran cities.

    After that, with only Bubbles left, it could be time for a Canthan expansion, possibly in 10 years.

  • Operator.2590Operator.2590 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2019

    Honestly, I think at this point—after the recent story—that the next expansion should have to do with the Mists and its restoration, possibly working with Aurene and the rest of the Human Gods, since Kralkatorrik basically ate a fairly large chunk of it. Throwing in whatever sinister developments may happen because of that of course.

    "The Sun will be divided that it might not sire children. Still its children shall be Four in number, and Seven in number, and be Numberless. The Numberless shall open the way for the Seven, and the Seven shall consume the Four..."

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    I think Cantha will be great choice for expansion for sure, with poteionally new race, new profession, and very unique landscape and buildings that look different from all current maps!

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hoover.6394 said:
    I think Cantha will be great choice for expansion for sure, with poteionally new race, new profession, and very unique landscape and buildings that look different from all current maps!

    Sounds more like a new game than an expansion.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:
    I think Cantha will be great choice for expansion for sure, with poteionally new race, new profession, and very unique landscape and buildings that look different from all current maps!

    Sounds more like a new game than an expansion.

    This game evolves, and dev just added new things that they said “not possible” before like mounts system, so I’m confident those thing can happening in next expansion

  • Magnus Godrik.5841Magnus Godrik.5841 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I say no since it may offend a certain demographic. Sure i would love it but they way the society is today and how sensitive people are it would probably be a bad idea. Besides we still have plenty if tyria to explore and also the depths if that ever becomes a thing.

  • Iozeph.5617Iozeph.5617 Member ✭✭✭

    Personally want to see the Dominion of the Winds -home to the Tengu. We have all these damned flying and pseudo flying mounts now. Would be grand to have something more to do with them than farm currency/motes on an empty map.

  • Dante.1508Dante.1508 Member ✭✭✭

    Cantha or bust imo.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Magnus Godrik.5841 said:
    it may offend a certain demographic.

    So did the whitening of most Krytan citizen.
    I know some people who were pissed about that.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:
    I think Cantha will be great choice for expansion for sure, with poteionally new race, new profession, and very unique landscape and buildings that look different from all current maps!

    Sounds more like a new game than an expansion.

    This game evolves, and dev just added new things that they said “not possible” before like mounts system, so I’m confident those thing can happening in next expansion

    When ever did the devs say that mounts were not possible? I keep hearing this but my recollection was that mounts were not considered when the game was launched. I don't remember them saying that mounts were not possible.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Xar.6279Xar.6279 Member ✭✭✭

    Next expansion will focus on underwater regions. To bring more whales to the game.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2019

    Cantha home belongs to the one and only one Legendary-Guild Wars

    END OF STORY

  • I just read the GW2 Wiki about Cantha. And if it is true that the effect of the Jade Wind has been reversed because of Shiros second death than forget it. Dont bring me there. Just leave it alone.
    Dont get me wrong. I dont mind changes. I dont mind that nature conquered back the Echovald Forest so there are stone trees covered with Ivy, Stone deers covered in moss and stuff like that. Beautiful and still a very unique area. But dont reverse the effect of the jade wind and stone trees "wake up" and go back to be normal tree. Or the Jade of the Jade Sea is getting fluid again. That is bad. I dont mind changes to the Jade Sea. Jade is a resource which is available in big quantities. I would love to see that the resource has been used in 250 years... a City made of Jade. An Asian Jade Venice would be awesome. Jade canals.... Jade Walls... with A Jade Harbor and all that stuff. Whatever it is just dont reverse the effect of the Jade Wind and suddenly Jade Sea is turning back to water. If it "turns" back to water than because the Jade construction has reduced the resource and water has filled the empty spots.

    Dont ruin what has been established. Use what has been presented in the past. Build on it. Advance it. In such a case I am all in and take me to Cantha.

  • Jade wind wasn’t shiro if I’m right shiro was the original champion of bubbles.

  • edited February 3, 2020
  • Xenash.1245Xenash.1245 Member ✭✭✭

    They should just put their time and effort into whatever is going to help the game overall from an enjoyment and business perspective. Sure I'd really another expansion too, but if it's just going to be a half baked one and other areas of the game would suffer because of the dev time, then I don't think it would really turn out all that well.

  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    don't really care for cantha myself, and not a fan of eastern themed settings in MMO so no.

  • rrusse.7058rrusse.7058 Member ✭✭✭

    I started playing around when Factions had come out and we had Nightfall not too far from release. I loved Factions then and I still do, but I don't know if I agree with this idea that the setting alone is what makes that part of the game for me and I believe that this applies for Guild Wars 2 as well.

    Let's say they make an expansion set in Cantha. Great. Why is that great though? Think about what I just said.

    An expansion set in Cantha. Well why do we need an expansion? Perhaps players feel that while the Ice-Brood Saga is fun and interesting, it is not on the level of being an expansion. So what is it missing? Elite Specializations would be nice, but what else is are we missing? More armor sets? New collections? Weapons? Rewards in general? More compelling masteries? Perhaps a new mechanic to really sell the expansion as we had with gliding in HoT and mounts in PoF.

    What else, "set in Cantha" Well I have experienced this region of the game universe, but why do we care about going here in the first place now over 250 years later? The story and the conflict with the dragons is in Tyria.

    So are we sick of cycling through dragons and slaying them one by one? Personally I would like a break from them but the development team has different plans it seems and the game has fighting dragons at the core of it. So we fight Jormag or the Deep-Sea dragon near Cantha, thus forcing the story in just such a setting. Are we in any better of a position than we were before? It's still dragons just in an East Asian setting. Is that what we want? Is that what would make the game more enjoyable?

    I'm not convinced it would be better for the game simply because of the setting. So we need a story that is not so focused on dragons, but instead about fighting a xenophobic regime. Well why would the Pact and the free people of Tyria do that? Aren't we experiencing that right this second in the Ice-Brood Saga with Bangar?

    So why do we need to go to Cantha? Simply because it's Chinajapankorea? No thanks.

    I'd love to go back too one day, but I don't see any reason for us to do so. Not when we can accomplish the same thing using new settings and characters while getting the kind of content the game needs in other ways with different races that need more expanding.

  • Early in the game while doing the Order of Whispers content they mentioned they go to and from Cantha regulary. Now after 250 years there has to be major changes to the area. I believe it would be better instead of an expansion living world can handle it.

  • Adul.1520Adul.1520 Member ✭✭✭

    @Liston.9708 said:
    As much as I’d like an expansion, I don’t think there is the player base to support it. The gam is 7 years old..

    Making expansions regularly is how MMOs get players. New players and returning players both.

    Whether that ship has sailed already is up to some producer with access to the company's finances to calculate. Whether it would be the right direction for the game to go in (if it's still financially viable)—the answer is yes.

    It's already a real shame that Anet didn't put a team on developing a new expansion right after the release of PoF, and it's going turn into a much larger shame if PoF turns out to be the last expansion.