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Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited February 11, 2020 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

The first fight after patch showed very little change so I am wondering if it isn't fully applying the changes

  • no new attacks (at least not visible ones amongst the visual noise - Anet this visual pollution needs fixing as a high priority imo. Please stop ignoring it)
  • slightly shortened health bar judging by dps
  • 20 stacks for new True Nimble achievement
  • Slightly buffed champs
  • No change to cc bar as it dropped instantly
  • 8 mins now on portal lock out debuff

That was from the fight starting 10 mins after patch dropped. There was also a mass dc, so there could be a bug where Drakkar itself isn't fully changed. IIn case I miss the next round to test again - could anyone doing it post here to see if they notice any significant changes during the next rounds (or if they experienced something different on a diff map shard). Right now the fight is on par/easier than pre-patch, but I am hoping that's down to a glitch.

edit: Second run we got a little caught out with barely anyone on 3rd champ. It made no difference. The shield was never in danger (why does it even have a health bar?) and the event still completed without issue. The fight in my opinion needs a whole rethink. It needs phases, it needs to pull people apart more to reduce the visual overload. It needs mechanics that mean something. Right now, it's a long champ fight and that is it.

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  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The only thing I've noticed that was new is a prolonged "claw stomp" attack after 20%.

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  • @Randulf.7614 said:
    (Anet this visual pollution needs fixing as a high priority. Please stop ignoring it)

    Well that's one opinion.

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Drakkar was alot easier and faster this time. Could be that we had a huge zerg , food etc

  • Only noticed these:
    more damage on attacks
    more mobs
    tanked up shrine bosses
    cc bar took a bit longer but doesnt really matter considering the health of the shield
    meteors give a damage buff or something, didn't get punished by them as the patch notes mentioned.

    meh...this is 2bad, still very repetitive boss fight.

  • And whats inside your pockets after the Meta Fight? More than 0,0001% of the loot you get at the Tarir Meta?

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Abdel Muhti.6431 said:
    And whats inside your pockets after the Meta Fight? More than 0,0001% of the loot you get at the Tarir Meta?

    I didn't notice a huge amount of extra, but I will admit to not closely monitoring it beforehand either. No one posted the ascended weapon if they got it

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Also, it keeps mass Dcing

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  • darksome.1697darksome.1697 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2020

    Didn't notice anything different except the 8 min timer on the portal lockout. Might have been completed slightly faster. Loot was the same. The 20 stacks on Nimble was there of course, but the description "Defeat Drakkar without dying or being hit more than 20 times" is wrong. I didn't die once, I didn't even get downed once, and yet it disappeared without unlocking.

    And you still get stuck inside one of the chests at the end if you stand where they spawn.

  • I just did the fight. We had a nice group and the only things i recognized were shorter event time, still no drops on the way to the arena, only a handful (i have tiny hands) drops inside. Champs got more HP but can still be blindly zerked down. The stomp of the dragons paw (sounds like eastern karate movie) does a bit more damage.

    Its like fighting Tequatl and hoping for the ascended box.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Supposedly ANet is doing a Let's Play of the fight in their live stream starting four minutes ago, but the stream isn't live, chat is silent, and per the timer on the wiki the next Drakkar fight is an hour away. I've triple checked their announced time vs. the current time, it is just past noon Pacific right now.

  • Mouse.7382Mouse.7382 Member ✭✭✭

    I live in Seattle and will head down to their office today after work and find out whats up

  • Belisaria.8136Belisaria.8136 Member ✭✭
    edited February 11, 2020

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    • Before Anet makes Drakkar TOO hard, they might want to remember that it won't be long before this map is just as empty as LS3 and LS4, thanks to the "publish and abandon" paradigm. We're already at a point where a lot of things in the game probably should be made a bit easier for players due to lack of help to do them.

    This is especially worth remembering given that they have clearly marked this as a standard World Boss, given its additional to the boss portal and its position with Teq and Shatterer in the achieve list. It seems like this one is meant to be for a more general audience which is fine. I hope that there is a couple metas more in the Oil Floes kind of level along the way, but a World Boss of the broader level is completely appropriate too.

  • Yeah, just did it successfully.
    So we devided the squad to have some also on the second champ, as a result it took a little longer per champ and in general.
    Visual noice seems to have increased a little, annoying as always.
    Otherwise as long as you get on a map using LFG with enough people, it should not be a problem even after the change.
    And apparently someone got the new ascended chest. Not me, but at least I got the ugly hat box :)

    But DCs seems to be a problem. Drakkar was fine on my map, but I got disconnected twice with Karka Queen, and roughly at the same time in the fight.
    I got on a map that did it successfully after that, so it seems to work sometimes, but it looks like a generic boss fight problem, when I read about the DCs with Drakkar.
    And it looks like the instance crashed, because everyone was disconnected. But not disconnected from GW2, just the map.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Donari.5237 said:
    Supposedly ANet is doing a Let's Play of the fight in their live stream starting four minutes ago, but the stream isn't live, chat is silent, and per the timer on the wiki the next Drakkar fight is an hour away. I've triple checked their announced time vs. the current time, it is just past noon Pacific right now.

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  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Donari.5237 said:
    Supposedly ANet is doing a Let's Play of the fight in their live stream starting four minutes ago, but the stream isn't live, chat is silent, and per the timer on the wiki the next Drakkar fight is an hour away. I've triple checked their announced time vs. the current time, it is just past noon Pacific right now.

    Thanks, that wasn't up when I posted :) Guess they really meant 1 pm Pacific. Oh well, I'm in a squad about to personally do the fight.

  • darksome.1697darksome.1697 Member ✭✭✭

    Two people got a Drakkar's Hoard chest in the map I was in now. Choice of ascended "of the Broken Voice" weapons with Superior sigil of Malice on them, and they were pretty nice looking too.

  • ron.6157ron.6157 Member ✭✭

    ok what in the kittens is going on in the office let me start out with yes Drakkar needed some buffing to match all the hype but as in the past OVERKILL 3 times now on maps that arnt quite full TT with a map roughly the same does better same with shatter after it got its buff and in the jahi fight but kitten when I see it take the full 20 min and health is at like 70% still well like I said OVER KILL I stoped doing AB meta for one reason got sick of sudo commander barking do this go there and when kitten went south it was every ones falt it faild as for this posable new drop I wont go in to how that's going to pan out I have played gw and gw2 frome bata as for GW2 to date never see a pree drop ascended drop take a look at that mount you all called a Pegasus a cross between a Unicorn and a Griffon or as I call it the out come of My Little Pony having kittens with a griffon get my point OVERkill don't fix things using the noodle between them ears and thinking it threw does if this is where GW is heading ill go back to Table top rpg's at least I can smack the GM up side his head for being a fool

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2020

    02/11/2020—February 11 Release Notes
    Living World
    As Jormag's influence continues to grow throughout the region, Drakkar and its minions grow more powerful.

    Drakkar's damage output has been increased.
    

    -> Hmm hmm really? Got barely same number of downed there before and after patch (Jade Sea EU), the pterodactyl was killed as fast as usual. 10 Mins left.

    Drakkar's defiance bar has been strengthened.
    

    -> Wiped in 2 secs, no differences seen.

    Drakkar's health scaling has been decreased.
    

    -> Well noticed the health was decreasing a little faster, that's all.

    Drakkar has gained new abilities.
    

    -> Nope, no new abilities, same 5 boring phases as before.

    The spirit champions in the Drakkar encounter have had their health and damage outputs increased.
    

    -> The only change i noticed, gate champion take more time. But well it's just bounty ones with ley line mechanics, no special things, still meh.

    The duration of Spiritual Binding has been increased from 4 minutes to 8 minutes.
    

    -> Barely noticed it, same peoples come to the gates when the same stay at middle... It infuriates me to be locked out from 2 of 3 portals.

    Certain attacks that were increasingly hard to avoid will no longer remove the Nimble Onslaught Eligibility effect.
    

    -> Completely broken, sometime I'm hit big attack freezing the whole arena and it removes me points for the achievement, sometimes not, sometimes remove points when I dodge it, sometimes not.

    Missed falling ice orbs will now have greater consequences for any players who did not participate in absorbing their effects.
    

    -> Nope it does nothing, several other players and me took 0 orbs, no problem for us. No consequences.

    With greater risks come greater rewards. Drakkar rewards have been updated with a new Broken Voice ascended weapon set, as well as other additions. Defeating Drakkar will also give an increased amount of experience once per day.
    

    -> Well I think there is an issue with that giant frozen chest! Everytime I do Drakkar it doesn't open like I'm not looting it with autoloot! Can't check because can't interact with it! If it's bugged it means I missed ton of loot! I don't see any difference, doing a 30 min meta for a such big unrewarding scam is outrageous.


    Either the patch is bugged and 3/4 of the changes aren't applied, or you are definitely doing your best to ruin world bosses and destroy the soul of that game.

    I'm actually scary about the incoming fractal if it's the same level as that. It's just bad, you did worst than core tyria world bosses that are 7 years old, just wow! Plus would not care that much if it wasn't a big figure of gw1! In addition of ruining the appearance, you ruined its credibility. I can only urge you to re-edit all of that but seriously this time. It's worrying seeing that decrease of quality, lunar new years weapons, and now that? I prefer to not see SAB world 3 and 4, that way it will not be ruined.

    You could have used those useless kodans escorting (btw they can summon frozen shield! wooo), make those three rooms more marionette like, making the shield phase really threatening but not. Just see Nightmare fractal final boss, that is shield defense! Plus as many said the visual clutter.. You have snowflakes explosions, flying debris everywhere! It's the apocalypse? For the achiev I have to jump over waves, avoid flying debris when drakkar emerge, avoid cone, avoid all area attack (kinda impossible even if i evade it's counted as failed), deal with foes.... Check for falling orbs....

    TLDR: Less Area Of Effects fest, more big main unique mechanics, no feet fighting simulator (it's the case here) why we don't attack and break claws, then it emerges like during gate phase and we have to fight its head? And then we end it by channeling the three spirits power? And god please fix rewards, LS1-Personal stories and Hot are more rewarding than your ice-brood saga! Ensure the big main chest is looted and not bugged. Make all ravens armor droppable from the chest (same rate as ice golem helmet) Make ascended drop each 20 metas done. Make them reachable. Make a real carrot that push players to go back to those areas, and not false hopes.

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    • Put the Gilded Reliquary of the Raven in the possible loot for Drakkar and have it NOT be super rare.
    • Reduce the visual noise. I think Anet counts "sensory overload" as a way to make bosses challenging in lieu of developing real mechanics.
    • Before Anet makes Drakkar TOO hard, they might want to remember that it won't be long before this map is just as empty as LS3 and LS4, thanks to the "publish and abandon" paradigm. We're already at a point where a lot of things in the game probably should be made a bit easier for players due to lack of help to do them.

    Gave him an helpful, quoted for truth, your maps are becoming empty after x amount of time.

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  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2020

    @Arden.7480 said:
    Felt kinda meh... It was still just punching his poor left leg, nothing more.

    They should make it so when you break his bar he falls out of the ice and flat on the ground for a while instead of the usual "foot fight".

    ArenaNet loves dragon feet(?).

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  • Manasa Devi.7958Manasa Devi.7958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hannelore.8153 said:

    @Arden.7480 said:
    Felt kinda meh... It was still just punching his poor left leg, nothing more.

    They should make it so when you break his bar he falls out of the ice and flat on the ground for a while instead of the usual "foot fight".

    ArenaNet loves dragon feet(?).

    That's neat, that's neat, that's neat, that's neat, they really love their dragon feet.

    (Points for old fogies who get this.)

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Thread title now adjusted 👍

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:

    @ron.6157 said:
    ok what in the kittens is going on in the office let me start out with yes Drakkar needed some buffing to match all the hype but as in the past OVERKILL 3 times now on maps that arnt quite full TT with a map roughly the same does better same with shatter after it got its buff and in the jahi fight but kitten when I see it take the full 20 min and health is at like 70% still well like I said OVER KILL I stoped doing AB meta for one reason got sick of sudo commander barking do this go there and when kitten went south it was every ones falt it faild as for this posable new drop I wont go in to how that's going to pan out I have played gw and gw2 frome bata as for GW2 to date never see a pree drop ascended drop take a look at that mount you all called a Pegasus a cross between a Unicorn and a Griffon or as I call it the out come of My Little Pony having kittens with a griffon get my point OVERkill don't fix things using the noodle between them ears and thinking it threw does if this is where GW is heading ill go back to Table top rpg's at least I can smack the GM up side his head for being a fool

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hannelore.8153 said:

    @Arden.7480 said:
    Felt kinda meh... It was still just punching his poor left leg, nothing more.

    They should make it so when you break his bar he falls out of the ice and flat on the ground for a while instead of the usual "foot fight".

    ArenaNet loves dragon feet(?).

    They try to fetishize me xD

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  • Liston.9708Liston.9708 Member ✭✭✭

    lockout the 'ledge leechers' from rewards and achieves.

  • I don't see it being more fun, the only big change is the 8 mins debuff and more time to kill the champion, making the fight a bit difficult.

  • The new disconnect feature is quite annoying.. :), just did the encounter and everyone disconnected fighting the first spirit. Logged back in... no longer in the event.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hugo.4705 said:
    02/11/2020—February 11 Release Notes

    ~SNIP~

    With greater risks come greater rewards. Drakkar rewards have been updated with a new Broken Voice ascended weapon set, as well as other additions. Defeating Drakkar will also give an increased amount of experience once per day.
    

    -> Well I think there is an issue with that giant frozen chest! Everytime I do Drakkar it doesn't open like I'm not looting it with autoloot! Can't check because can't interact with it! If it's bugged it means I missed ton of loot! I don't see any difference, doing a 30 min meta for a such big unrewarding scam is outrageous.


    ~SNIP~

    Last I checked the Auto-loot feature on World Boss chests does not open the chest on the map, it just automatically adds the loot to your inventory but the chest does show as already looted in the mini-map(on your mini-map the chest icon is open). You can walk up to the chest and try to interact, but you can't because you already auto-looted it, that's how it works for all of the World Bosses.

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  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Oh ok ty for answering me about that obscure thing.

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  • Just ran the fight and noticed a few things:

    • Ran it on a map that wasn't full and had no problems completing the meta with about 6 minutes left on the clock - not any different than before
    • only new attack - extra shockwave added when Drakkar pops out of the ice during the champ/shield phase
    • no noticeable penalty for not grabbing the ice orb
    • Svanir Seers spawned during the shield phase that wiped the entire map squad not fighting the champ
    • CC definitely took longer but didn't have a meaningful impact on play
    • Champs had more HP, but not enough for their damage increase to register
    • stomp shockwaves deal a lot more damage
    • health bar definitely a little smaller
    • Loot seemed about the same; no one linked an Ascended drop on that map

    Overall, lethality definitely increased, but the fight doesn't feel significantly different.

  • Abdel Muhti.6431Abdel Muhti.6431 Member ✭✭
    edited February 12, 2020

    @Liston.9708 said:
    lockout the 'ledge leechers' from rewards and achieves.

    This is definitely causing bad blood...

    ...it really would bring more peace to the community to just lock the entrance behind the players once they get into the first part of the Arena and do the same with the second moshpit so everyone is forced to take part in the fight. Im not grumpy if some people afk sometimes but thats not an achievement that should be honored.

  • Raizel.1839Raizel.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    It feels just like before.

  • Nidome.1365Nidome.1365 Member ✭✭✭

    Before the patch did it with a group of 30ish people fine. Since the patch tried twice with similar size groups both were fails, didn't even reach the last champ. Wouldn't be so bad if the meta wasn't so long.
    The meta is now a blobfest. I thought Anet were trying to get away from that sort of thing?

  • mbhalo.1547mbhalo.1547 Member ✭✭✭

    You're probably balancing the damage from boss around players who run full glass builds. Because even if you have a bit of toughness and vitality and facetank every mechanic its just tickles your hp bar slightly. I'd say all damage numbers should go up by 100-200%.

  • Making it harder is great if you get enough people who will do this over and over and over again. Usually short on people and today dcing everyone, but the timer kept going.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2020

    Nothing to reply, I have the same opinion as the last Randulf Post. I don't feel punished by anything. Inspire yourselves with the big metas out there. Plz god, we got "whispers" said everywhere, and those aren't even influencing the fight. Now bring those kodans helping javi to continue the shield, make svanir totems mechanics/ svanir healers or whatever interesting in the fight and we can speak about it.

    TLDR: Your fight is currently "jump jump jump", "be bored under javi shield because no gate buff", "gather your awful reward". It's not motivating at all.

    I'm sorry for you Cameron, seems like made of good attentions, but haven't seen anything you said in the fight, nothing. It's still meh a zerg fest with skill 1 spam and just jumping over waves really sad.

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  • Yasi.9065Yasi.9065 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cameron Rich.3905 said:
    Hey there everyone, thanks for taking the time to post your feedback on yesterday's changes. Your thoughts are incredibly important to us, and help us work to make the game a better experience for everyone.

    There's one thing I'd like to clarify about yesterday's patch notes: Specifically, the note "Drakkar has gained new abilities."

    We should've been clearer with this patch note since "new abiltities" is pretty vague--so we wanted to give you some more information on them. These additions were focused on providing a clear incentive to participate in mechanics by punishing failure, as well as giving you reasons to engage with some of the previously arbitrary mechanics.

    The Falling Ice Orbs, for example, have a larger and more damaging attack that fires if no one catches the orb--so when you're performing the mechanic correctly, you're not seeing that punishment skill (way to go, being responsible!)

    Additionally, Jhavi's shield in the intermission phase now provides protection from the storm (which deals constant damage if you're outside it), and allows you to go out and attack adds - but that protection only lasts a short time once you leave the shield, so you have to balance grabbing the buff with going after incoming enemies, or pulling them into the shield and damaging them down.

    Finally, as some of you have experienced, we introduced a unique flavor mechanic to the fight when the group fails, to make it clearer that Drakkar's influence has won out in the struggle.

    With these changes, we specifically wanted players to feel punished for ignoring mechanics, while still allowing for a few people to be the "heroes" of the group and save their allies from certain death. Since this is an open world encounter, it's important to encourage coordination while maintaining accessibility, especially as we get further into this content's life span and more diverse player groups of varying skill levels tackle it.

    Good changes :) Fun meta.
    The scaling on champ2+3 doesnt seem to not work though? Or it really is because so many run to first champ, the first champ always takes 3-4 times as long as champ2 or champ3.
    A slight criticism, the green fields give a dmg buff, but drakkar always despawns after the green fields. Maybe change the timing slightly to give a longer burst phase?

  • Tsakhi.8124Tsakhi.8124 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2020

    @Cameron Rich.3905

    I respect your ideas and I respect that it is not for everyone, but it still bums me out that we have no say over it. You could arguably say that we are being "punished", but I'm sorry that's a tad bit excessive in my opinion. That said, I appreciate your honesty and forwardness. I will not be doing that meta, I fear. Thanks for the effort ya'll put into it though! Also, sorry if this is messy, I've been doing beadwork and my eyes are shot. XD

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Can someone elaborate on this post fail mechanic? Surely they weren't naive enough to add any form of pvp in open world?

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