Which Elder Dragon do you like most?
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Maybe because you like the model, or concept art or the story that surrounds one, or maybe you love mysterious vibe about one?
I personally am very, very interested in Deep Sea Dragon, I like the mystery and the creatures in the Ocean can actually be very cool, also Largos' lore interests me and in PS there was always something ominous about them.
I don't want the Ocean itself expansion, but rather I'd love a spooky, ominous domain of the Water Dragon full of creepy, lovecraftian buildings surrounded by a mystical mist that would rise from the Ocean itself.
But if Tyria herself is an Elder Dragon, then I'd be all about it. 
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.
H. P. Lovecraft
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It used to be Kralk due to his his rage and size making him a truly mosntrous creature and having that actual feeling of being beyond our capabilities, but the abysmal LS4 soured my interest in him. It didn't help they kept changing his model size either. Once they made him conflicted inside, that was it for me. Kralk was ruined. It could have been Zhaitan if they had made him much more colossal - his model and animations are fantastic.
It's a tie between Primordus and Jormag, Jormag is the more interesting, but Primordus still has that (forgive the pun) primordial feel the Dragons should have kept. He seems much more "alien" than most of the others. A true force of nature like I wanted them all to be.
I can't really include the DSD since there is nothing to go on whatsoever. Any speculation risks being wiped out if they ever choose to bring it into the game and to be honest I don't really think they will.
As for Aurene....she is the worst of them all. I'll be happy to never have her in the game again even though I know they wont be the case. Just replaying any instance with her in is irritating
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I have a feeling it might be Jormag. I have not particularly enjoyed any dragon yet, but the way the have set up Jormag in the trailer seems very cool!
Aurene takes the cake-- I love quality villains but I also love her. Mordremoth takes a close second.
Jormag is climbing the ranks though. :0
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Zhaitan was the first and made a big impression for me conceptwise. The writhing mass of sewn together corpses was at the time awesome (which is why secrectly hoping for a rework of his fight to do him justice tbh). Kralks fight was good but as previously stated the flip floppery of him felt like a let down. Mordremoth had that emperor of darkness feel that was also cool but didnt quite hit the spot for. However am looking forward to seeing how Jormag will fare, could possibly be awesome. Here's hoping 😳.
For the ones we've fought so far, to me, Zhaitan was the most insidious, and Kralkatorrik the most interesting.
I didn't care for Mordremoth, amasing expansion though!
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DSD because it has the most potential and the three dragons so far have gotten ruined for one reason or another.
Zhaitan - Fight was pathetic relative to the huge buildup it got. Would be really cool if that fight is somehow redone to be a real fight (not him hanging onto a rock doing nothing while being blasted with a cannon).
Mordremoth - Fight was too full of bugs and required multiple people do stand a chance for a casual player. Sylvari being dragon minions and dealing with that issue got reduced to a few one line comments now and then.
Kralk - He would have been one of favorites, being portrayed as a storm itself, but the ending of S4 with him being humanized and having feelings out of complete nowhere just put me off on him (Would have been much better if all his polite talk before & after the fight was just cut entirely).
Jormag and Primordus still have potential, just hoping they won't be turned into the generic fire/ice dragons that have been done so many times.
Aurene is way too Deus ex like atm, but she could be really strong character-wise if they tone her down a bit (without using some poorly though out, last minute excuse).
Zhaitan was the most metal.
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To be honest i'm not sure.. Most make no sense at all.. they kinda seem confused more than scary and as others have said they hodge podge through the stories like the writers are confused on what they should be..
I think my favorite visually is jormag.. and i prefer female enemies.
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Bubbles is my favourite.
Not understanding her nor knowing what's her deal is what makes me like her.
Also, she is a being of the deep, so there is a slight Cthulhu connection.
I enjoy the "primordial evil"-vibe of Primordus the most. AFAIK, his name indicates him as being the first of the Elder Dragons which is also cool.
Primordus means he was the first Dragon to awake, doesn't make him the oldest.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.
H. P. Lovecraft
So far Jormag is the leader, and we will see if rightfully
I like Zhaitan because of his appearance
I love Mordremoth for his strange Bacchae vibe
I am amazed by Primordus, because he has the power to reshape the ground by the fire and rocks.
I can't wait to learn who Jormag is.
I love DSD for his mystery, weird vibe that surrounds him.
I sympathize with Kralkatorrik because of his chaos and showing that sometimes the pain can make you do horrible things and you have no control over your own body.
I adore Aurene, because she embodies everything that GW2 is all about - fighting for hope through darkness.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.
H. P. Lovecraft
From the head we saw in season 3 it's possible that Primordus is going to be the biggest of the dragons.
Likewise his model from Gw1 suggest he's much smaller and looks very different, wings etc
Since Primordus creates his minions from rock and fire it makes me curious as to whether or not what we saw in living world 3 was Primordus himself or if it was some kind of giant living destroyer shell he created around himself to protect himself.
I honestly love the idea of fighting this giant wurm Primordus only to have the real Primordus erupt from it's smoldering corpse once we kill it.
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Ive gotta vote for bb gurl Aurene
That said a close second would be Primordus simply because ever since i got to see a small taste back in living world season 3 ive been itching to see more of him/her.
Deep sea dragon i low key feel is the "use this dragon" when we need to write out way out of a plot blockade.
I still have the small feeling based on the initial icebrood saga trailer that we might see more of Primordus soon
Was originally Kralk, cause basically a large portion of the gw lore revolves around him. I also like that he is the elder dragon of crystal and fury (emphasis on the fury). I thought he was awesome up until they made him look like a giant flying turtle. That ruined it for me kind of that turtle shape just didn't really seem as menacing as I hoped for a dragon that destroyed parts of the mists.
My new favorite is Jormag now, because it's the ed of ice and persuasion. The Icebrood trailer sold Jormag for me. That massive hurricane creating the thundersnow was just too epic. Along with having that massive charrbrood army that it persuaded to join it. I especially get that chill down my spine when is booms "I can set you free" with the thunder in the background.🌪❄👌
Was originally Kralk; I was in love with the idea of the Crystal dragons, but I ended up finding the Branded to be a bit more annoying than challenging. My current hopes is for the DSD to blow all of the others out of the water with its coolness.
Of all the ones we have seen so far, Zhaitan was the only cool looking one. I've voted for the Deep Sea Dragon, because it is the most mysterious one.
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I want to change my vote. I pick Jormag.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.
H. P. Lovecraft
Primordus>Jormag>Kralk>Aurene>Mordy>DSD>Zhaitan is my list.
May be early to evaluate Aurene...
I like the snow and the cold. Shiverpeak maps are my favourite. So yeah Jormag I LOVE YOU!!
I can't speak for Primord and DSD because we haven't really interacted with them yet. We have nothing on the DSD, and all we've seen of Primord is its big fat nose. As for the rest of the dragons... Jormag>Kralk&Mordremoth>Aurene>Zhaitan.
Jormag's tendency to manipulate and persuade people into willing service (or willing suicide) is way more interesting then the other dragons' habit of "enslave, kill, enslave!", and the Lovecraftian portrayal of Jormag makes me like it/her even more. Kralk and Mord follow because they actually spoke to us and had personalities. Aurene's a good character, but I like villains x) ...and Zhaitan--great design of the dragon itself, but no personality. Zhaitan's lack of personality made it the least scary and least compelling dragon.
Despite any criticism I might have over the direction of the ED story, I would love to see how the current team, with all the lessons learnt, would present Zhaitan. I think they got the gist right, but the implementation just wasn't as good as it could have been and the instances do not hold up at all well in places.
The production values, dialogue and overall quality has in places come a huge way. Playing through Hunters and Prey last night, that would be so much better made today. And Zhaitan itself would be a much bigger, epic fight to finish on.
Zhaitan, despite the over saturation of undead themes in video games could have been the top one if remade today imo
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i have to vote for Selbbub.
Yesterday the devil whispered to me "You are not strong enough to withstand the storm." Today I proclaimed to the devil, "I am a believer, I am follower of Christ. I am THE STORM."
Steve because to this day DSD remains the most mysterious of them all and he or she manage to keep it that way for so long. By the time DSD is revealed, Steve may already have the power of all Elder Dragons because of us.
I voted for DSD because it's the only Elder Dragon that hasn't directly bothered us.
...yet.
Who is DSD?
Yesterday the devil whispered to me "You are not strong enough to withstand the storm." Today I proclaimed to the devil, "I am a believer, I am follower of Christ. I am THE STORM."
It's the illusive sixth Elder Dragon, located at the depths of the ocean, called Deep Sea Dragon, which we know nothing about (other than it's approximated location).
Many players refer to her as Bubbles.
I actually liked Kralk for being conflicted - that makes Glinth easier to be "believable" (for a lack of a better worth). Here I am mainly referring her switch to be good.
My favourite is Primordous tho, there is a lingering sense of him being the ultimate threat ever since EotN - I really hope they do not screw him up.
As a side note: I think final dragon encounters should have been raid encounters with story and hard mode. This would have allowed for both just getting the story and being bad kitten. I know it is a long shot, next to impossible really, but I would love to see them remake those battles in raids, even tho it will not make story sense but I believe it would payout
I think final dragon encounters should have been raid encounters with story and hard mode.
Zhaitan was the final boss of Arah's story mode.
But then Arenanet decided to scrap said story mode and turned it into the Victory or Death mission we know today.
My guess is that Arenanet doesn't want the story to require players forming parties.
And due to Arenanet's more-than-obvious distaste of having multiple difficulties for the same content, I doubt Elder Dragons (or Balthazar) will ever become more.
This is really really hard for me to decide actually because first of all I absolutely love dragons in general and I think all of the elders here are interesting and unique in their very own ways.
I did however vote for Zhaitan simply because of his concept and the fact that I also love necromancy and everything else connected to death. Also they give me a strong Cthulhu vibe which I know was intended. Apart from all this I think Zhaitan overall still had a lot of its potential hidden and that the dragon we saw in the end wasn't even his final form and that the dragon was still kind of weak due to them not having consumed as much magic as the other dragons. However I do have a greater theory on elder dragons and their "forms" which I think I'll maybe make an extra post in the future but I'm not sure yet since I already did one for tumblr.
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It is indeed that ArenaNet doesn't want the story to require parties. This was a bit of a complaint at launch, that you needed to party up, and as time goes by there will be fewer people doing the older story, thus making stories harder.
And then when ArenaNet made a 5-man version for Mordremoth, it was hated. So I don't expect we'll see more of such again, ever.
Ironically about that "more than obvious distaste" is that the Strikes are literally that - a harder version of the final boss fight (and two others in Sanctum Arena's case) of that episode's story. There isn't really an aversion by ArenaNet - they've tried three iterations, and two were hated, and the most recent are also being hated but for a different reason.
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It would be interesting to see the results of this poll after all the dragons are in game.
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IKR It would be very interesting, my favorite is the DSD, mainly because it hasn't bothered us yet.
Yesterday the devil whispered to me "You are not strong enough to withstand the storm." Today I proclaimed to the devil, "I am a believer, I am follower of Christ. I am THE STORM."
An excellent way to ensure they'll go as unplayed as regular raids!
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There is one **Story boss that they maybe made harder, **one.
I don't know about that Savir Shaman anymore, but I don't remember it harder than the story boss.
And the Icebrood Construct did not get harder.
Slapping ten times the HP on a boss is an atrocious endurance test, but not difficulty.
Sorry, I guess I should have put it in "quotes" since difficulty is subjective to the players' skill. Technically they all are harder - it deals more damage on top of having more HP - it just isn't balanced for 10 players. The Fraenir even has an expanded skillset (not sure about Icebrood Construct and Whisper of Jormag though).
Suffice it to say, a single player cannot solo them like in the story - or a group of five wouldn't have as easy of a time. Which does confirm they're harder - even if "not hard enough for 10 players".
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Design: Zhaitan
Minions/champions: Zhaitan
In game fight: Mouth of Mordremoth
Characterization: Jormag so far
Buildup: Mordremoth
The problem is that they wasted effort to make those previous minion fights instead of focusing on Zhaitan to make a cool fight.
No Primordus?
Yesterday the devil whispered to me "You are not strong enough to withstand the storm." Today I proclaimed to the devil, "I am a believer, I am follower of Christ. I am THE STORM."
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Compare that to the other dragons.
Virgin Mordremoth
Hindered by his own creations twice.
Eats soy-based fruity fantabulous sparkly ley-line light.
Virgin Primordus
Virgin Deep Sea Dragon
Virgin Kralkatorrik
THOT Jormag
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I'm not a big fan of all the cold and ice. My main character looks more like a fire nymph. But I cannot deny the presence of Jormag. He's the first one I would definitely make a friend of if I could. I feel connected to his mind.
If you put Aurene on the list then I'm going to choose Aurene, I love her dearly. Even since I was a wee little thing I had a vested interested in dragons that's only grown and deepened over the years. I'm a nerd for Pern, I could tell you so much about their dragons and how the bonding works. To see something like that in Guild Wars 2 made my heart glad, and it's seen me through any frustrations I might otherwise have with the game.
My perspective is a very... I think it's really native to where I'm from, in a way. Cymru. Wales. My ancestors were druids who valued nature and dragons. From Dewi to draig our culture has had a fascination with them for the longest time. The origination of dragons prior to heraldry wasn't really quite as malignant and greedy for gold as the depictions we see today. If you're interested in the origination of the Western dragon then I heartily recommend research into this topic. They were far more benevolent creatures to be sure, but then that was true of many creatures from old British folklore. You should see what bugbears were originally.
Speaking personally? I see dragons as creatures of wonder. It would be a magnificent thing to be suddenly enshrouded by a massive dragons shadow as it flies overhead, I think. If a world with them existed I wouldn't want to be involved with robbing that wonder away for whatever reason. That's why I hadn't really had much interest in Guild Wars 2 until the story of Aurene, which provided hope that she and her eventual offspring might survive and allow for the kindly dragons I'm familiar with and desire. I'm all in.
So if Aurene is there then naturally I'd pick Aurene. As a Welsh person I love dragons. As a Pern fan I love dragons. I just love dragons. I'm enamoured with the very concept of bonding with these brilliant beasts. So, yes, Aurene would naturally have to be my choice.
If Aurene wasn't there? It'd be Kralk. Kralk gave us a remarkable gift, one of knowledge and revelation. His torment, you see? The mystery of Kralk's torment runs deep as it was obviously present long before consuming other magicks. It's a knowledge that invites question, which is the best kind of knowledge! You can't do much with an answer other than just to have it, quite smugly safe in the understanding that you possess all there is to know. That's not really what Kralk gave us though, is it?
From whence it came is perhaps the most intriguing consideration of all. How, and why? Why even moreso. What were the dragons before their torment? And how do the Forgotten play into this? Why did they free Glint? How were they so certain they'd be able to free her and why did they think they'd be able to apply the same ritual to Kralkatorrik? What did the Forgotten know about draconic torment? Why would they have any inclination or idea as to the nature of it? Were they in some way involved? Perhaps not responsible as that seems beyond their power, yet acting at the behest of those that were? Did the Six cast the Elder Dragons into an eternal, unending nightmare sleep to remove the competition? DId they do so to occupy the position the dragons once held of managing the flow of magic? I mean, they were certainly in a hurry to leave when the dragons woke up and I have to wonder why that is? Why was Balthazar so very intent on getting involved if this is the case?
So many questions!
On top of that, the gift of revelation also revealed to us that the dragons may not be innately evil. And whilst we were unable to save Kralkatorrik, perhaps the future could veer towards the curing of dragons rather than the slaying of them. Something I'd find eminently more preferable since it's effectively mind control that's making them act this way. As Kralk told us when he became lucid enough to, the torment lies. One can only imagine what Jormag's torment sounds like. I'm not hedging my bets on saving Jormag, of course, but it would be lovely if that were indeed the case. I'd love to have the story culminate in healing rather than murder.
I'm a fan of deeper stories though so that's just my wont. I think that the most interesting thing ArenaNet could do right now is explore the torment more. Thus, if Aurene had not been on the list then Kralkatorrik would've been my favourite as he showed us that in the end he wasn't evil at all. He also opened up the possibility that perhaps none of the Elder Dragons are. I quite like that possibility.
You just made my week with this post. Jormag the THOT, huh? XD
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