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Firebrands should lose access to renewed focus in PvP


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@bravan.3876 said:

@bravan.3876 said:Fb shouldn't have f skills (trade off logic and all that stuff ya know). Then they can keep RF. Deal? (already talked to Anet they found that idea pretty good and a fair solution)

What would renewed focus do?

Because if it recharges their tomes....

Sssssssssst don't tell them!

Btw is that the only thing you struggle with from my post? Fb no f skills seems fine to you as trade off?

I thought the whole post was satire but just in case they were two different points, I wanted to know what RF would do if they had tomes.

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@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@bravan.3876 said:Fb shouldn't have f skills (trade off logic and all that stuff ya know). Then they can keep RF. Deal? (already talked to Anet they found that idea pretty good and a fair solution)

What would renewed focus do?

Because if it recharges their tomes....

Sssssssssst don't tell them!

Btw is that the only thing you struggle with from my post? Fb no f skills seems fine to you as trade off?

I thought the whole post was satire but just in case they were two different points, I wanted to know what RF would do if they had tomes.

It would be an common invuln in duration you cannot even start when cced (not instant, no stunbreak) and locking out of skills and that "golden" reward would have insane high cd and blocking an elite slot. With other words totally nonsense balance change (and something that can even happen when looking at what Anet did to other classes). Not to mention that a FB without f skills would rly not have any meaningful reward for traiting into Fb line, means just another nonesense balance idea where the trade off would completely contradict (or in this case more completely neutralize) the elite mechanic. I should not make these kind of jokes i guess, we see on Mirage where this can end when you make an exaggerating overnerf joke about Mirages get only one dodge and Anet just thinks: Yo great idea lets do it! :joy:

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@bravan.3876 said:

@bravan.3876 said:Fb shouldn't have f skills (trade off logic and all that stuff ya know). Then they can keep RF. Deal? (already talked to Anet they found that idea pretty good and a fair solution)

What would renewed focus do?

Because if it recharges their tomes....

Sssssssssst don't tell them!

Btw is that the only thing you struggle with from my post? Fb no f skills seems fine to you as trade off?

I thought the whole post was satire but just in case they were two different points, I wanted to know what RF would do if they had tomes.

It would be an common invuln in duration you cannot even start when cced (not instant, no stunbreak) and locking out of skills and that "golden" reward would have insane high cd and blocking an elite slot. With other words totally nonsense balance change (and something that can even happen when looking at what Anet did to other classes). Not to mention that a FB without f skills would rly not have any meaningful reward for traiting into Fb line, means just another nonesense balance idea where the trade off would completely contradict (or in this case more completely neutralize) the elite mechanic. I should not make these kind of jokes i guess, we see on Mirage where this can end when you make an exaggerating overnerf joke about Mirages get only one dodge and Anet just thinks: Yo great idea lets do it! :joy:

Recharging the tomes is bad, as the healing and support that firebrands bring was already horrible for the game.

But, if it takes a lore reason to get the team motivated, here goes:

firebrand (def); one that creates unrest or strife (as in aggressively promoting a cause).

They carry around the tomes, and do not have any virtues in because their cause is more important than focusing on morals.

Renewed focus function changes when firebrand is taken to Renewed Aggression and reduces recharge to tomes by 33%, and only affects recharging tomes.

If guard is "supposedly" garbage then that is something to work out with the devs, and is not an excuse for firebrand, but I dont think guard is nearly in the spot mains claim.

You see about 3-4 a match, all types

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@"Bazsi.2734" said:This is like the 3rd thread within a week where you campaign to delete/remove/disable something.Delete half of the amulets, delete even more amulets, lock some skills out of pvp... you cannot balance a game like this.

You can not balance by adding more and more.

Firebrand is due for it's "tradeoff"

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Maybe something can be done around the active times of the virtues?Instead of looking at Renewed Focus, maybe they can only get access to their virtue passives while the tome that gives that passive is equipped. Like theyd need to hold Justice tome to stack burning with the passive, theyd need to hold courge tome to get Aegis, etc

And then cut the cd for picking the tome back up by a bit if they don't use all the pages/buff the passives so theres value in holding a tome instead of your weapon, so they play like a magical kit engie.

idk, just a thought.

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@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@"Bazsi.2734" said:This is like the 3rd thread within a week where you campaign to delete/remove/disable something.Delete half of the amulets, delete even more amulets, lock some skills out of pvp... you cannot balance a game like this.

You can not balance by adding more and more.

Firebrand is due for it's "tradeoff"

Well then maybe suggest one. Not having access to some skills in PvP isn't a tradeoff.

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@Poledra Val.1490 said:Yes lets nerf Guardian as a whole to oblivion with the most used and only usefull Elite skill it has, good call. Rolls eyes'

You must not've played other classes much because all Guardian Elites are pure gold compared to what classes like Ele get. I can't think of a single Elite that's truly useless while on some other classes you're lucky if you have even one that's useful at all.

I'd even say Renewed Focus is the weakest Guardian Elite overall, its very specialised outside of FB.

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@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@"Bazsi.2734" said:This is like the 3rd thread within a week where you campaign to delete/remove/disable something.Delete half of the amulets, delete even more amulets, lock some skills out of pvp... you cannot balance a game like this.

You can not balance by adding more and more.

Firebrand is due for it's "tradeoff"

By Anets standards it has one. FB just isn't balanced. Two very different things.

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@Bazsi.2734 said:This is like the 3rd thread within a week where you campaign to delete/remove/disable something.Delete half of the amulets, delete even more amulets, lock some skills out of pvp... you cannot balance a game like this.@"Crab Fear.1624" said:You can not balance by adding more and more.

Firebrand is due for it's "tradeoff"https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/97335/be-patient-because-of-the-planned-future-balance-cadence#latestYou own thread but then you make it rain...

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@"Kuma.1503" said:Firebrand is receiving hefty nerfs to their tomes. Base heals down. Heal coefficients down. Boon duration down. Mantras heavily nerfed.

Lets see how things play out before we call to gut a class further.

On a side note, I'd rather nerfs be done in such a way that it doesn't dumb down ("streamline"). A class too much. I've already seen one of my favorite MMO's ruined due to excessive pruning and heavy handed nerfs.

I second this. I'd like any skill cap-related nerfs remain as minimal as possible.

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@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@"Bazsi.2734" said:This is like the 3rd thread within a week where you campaign to delete/remove/disable something.Delete half of the amulets, delete even more amulets, lock some skills out of pvp... you cannot balance a game like this.

You can not balance by adding more and more.

Firebrand is due for it's "tradeoff"

Just because you don't think the trade-off isn't enough doesn't mean it's not there. Imagine if Daredevil, instead of swipe, got double CD on steal + added a cast time too it.

The trade-off might not be enough, but acting like it's not there just makes you look silly.

@Hannelore.8153 said:

@Poledra Val.1490 said:Yes lets nerf Guardian as a whole to oblivion with the most used and only usefull Elite skill it has, good call. Rolls eyes'

You must not've played other classes much because all Guardian Elites are pure gold compared to what classes like Ele get. I can't think of a single Elite that's truly useless while on some other classes you're lucky if you have even one that's useful at all.

I'd even say Renewed Focus is the weakest Guardian Elite overall, its very specialised outside of FB.

Literally no other elite has any form of value in PvP. (Post patch) mantra will get nuked. Feel my wrath is just quickening zephyr as an elite skill. And have fun getting the signet channel of.

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@Odik.4587 said:

@Bazsi.2734 said:This is like the 3rd thread within a week where you campaign to delete/remove/disable something.Delete half of the amulets, delete even more amulets, lock some skills out of pvp... you cannot balance a game like this.@"Crab Fear.1624" said:You can not balance by adding more and more.

Firebrand is due for it's "tradeoff"
You own thread but then you make it rain...

Well, why not.

They seem to be in acknowledge problem mode.

Firebrand is a problem, so why wait.

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@Tharan.9085 said:

-F1 3 is an awesome interupt with no ability to dodge. >

This just sounds like a L2p issue

I really don't know how to respond to this. As a stated guard main, i'm well aware of both the animations and abilities of the class. The ability CCs at the start of the flame condensing animation. Thats a stated fact, not a l2p issue. Its one of the best CCs available to guard, on par with shield 5 but on 1/3 the cd(compare to spirit hammer for the lols). An 8s cd for a cc like this really isn't appropriate.

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@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@Bazsi.2734 said:This is like the 3rd thread within a week where you campaign to delete/remove/disable something.Delete half of the amulets, delete even more amulets, lock some skills out of pvp... you cannot balance a game like this.@Crab Fear.1624 said:You can not balance by adding more and more.

Firebrand is due for it's "tradeoff"
You own thread but then you make it rain...

Well, why not.

They seem to be in acknowledge problem mode.

Firebrand is a problem, so why wait.Well, first of all, the idea is pretty stupid. Lets just disable certain category of skills when elite is equipped? Better the entire traitlines?It would take some time until they come up with something stupid like .... once you open a tome you can cast only 1 out of 5 skills and then it drops . Actually, seems fair :joy:
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