Mystere.3578 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 @Ordin.8341 If you are a new player, you should not care much about what's the high level meta. Any spec can run fractals/raids. And specs can get buffs/nerfs at any point. If you bought one of the expansions you get a free lvl 80 boost item anyways. Find a nice guild and youre good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marieno.1930 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 guardian (hfb) renegade (alacrity) and warrior (power bs) by far but i see many people underestimating power gs chronos' dps output which is really insane if played correctly but it is a very difficult class to master.I outdps people 95% of the time with my power mesmer in 50-100 kp cms (that's where i am currently) people just dont know how to play it it's really good.People also forget that this is the class with the 3rd highest benchmark in the game at 37.6k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @Shardex.7486 said:@Ordin.8341 If you are a new player, you should not care much about what's the high level meta. Any spec can run fractals/raids. And specs can get buffs/nerfs at any point. If you bought one of the expansions you get a free lvl 80 boost item anyways. Find a nice guild and youre good to go.He doesnt ask for high end meta, but rather for classes that are not bad, there is a diffrence.Guard is the safest pick - can play power dps, condi dps, healer power/condi boon hubrid, nevro is good as well - good power dps, decent condi dps. Rev - condi dps, alac heal, alac hybrid dps. All those classes have use in raids and fractals, while mesmer is simply dead in fractals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNBRITO.9624 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @Marieno.1930 said:guardian (hfb) renegade (alacrity) and warrior (power bs) by far but i see many people underestimating power gs chronos' dps output which is really insane if played correctly but it is a very difficult class to master.I outdps people 95% of the time with my power mesmer in 50-100 kp cms (that's where i am currently) people just dont know how to play it it's really good.People also forget that this is the class with the 3rd highest benchmark in the game at 37.6kIt's not bad on casual groups, it'll fall behind on good parties though, but for pugging it's nice having some utility like boonstrip, pulls if needed etc, and benchmark isn't really a good way to compare DPS in fractals as they favor burst, personally haven't seen any power chrono breaking 100k burst yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zethra.8491 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Hey guys/for Fractals….as of now, 08/20Is Guardian still a safe bet ?other two similar classes that also can do well in fractals ?Thanks in advance ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider.7849 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Guardian, revenant, and guardian unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndercat.7615 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Guardian ranger warrior and rev all are meta classes in both raids in fractals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKRathalos.9625 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 @Shade.8971 said:Guard is the best in fractals. DH brings strong burst. Quickbrand for a dps support hybrid. HB the best healer for pugs. Druid/chrono in 2020 lol.Rev is nice for alac. The extra utility their forms have can be extremely OP and are useful in pugs. Most revs have no idea what their other utility skills are, sadly. Most will sit in Kalla anf Shiro thinking the measly DPS gain is it worth it. Heal rev is lol. 9 out of 10 times heal rev pugs have no idea what they are doing.Banners are nice but again in t4 daily pugs they dont realize they need to pick them up for the CDR and move them.DPS I find any class fine so long as they know what they are doing. I have gone into the ooze boss as a scourge knowing their dps is on the low end for a quick burn but somehow managed to outdps a power weaver.Yeah I regularly saw people playing rev didn't really know what is in their pocket. They don't even know how to bubble centaur in snowblind fractal or maybe switch to Demon when there is No Pain No Gain, or go dwarf for extra stab when fighting those last boss chaos since daze a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I also think we go too easily with rev. It's a bit the old core warrior; as long as you had banners + EA you were not looking at the dps and you had warrior with 6k DPS, no mace no CC, etc in 100cm pug, but it was fine apparently (You added a low DPS chrono + zero DPS druid, it was optimal :+1: ). Where nowadays Berserkers you can see them top dps with the peak performance build for fractals. Stab and Demon stance are the common points or the complaints and I don't see so many issues with that, except one wipe/gg may be.But the real prerequisites : F2-F4 perma alacrity+ the 12 mights, AP, the staff (+ darkrazor daze), soulcleave's summit, and a correct dps (~10k) ... erh....It's not that easy to play if don't want to be out of energy, make good use of Charged Mists and of course all differents utilities, But I rarely see a lot of impactful ren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerdragon.8791 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 I would say chrono, fire brand, and alac. If you have these three professions you can raid or frac whenever you want. You can tank , boon, and hard carry your way to victory. I can't think of a comp that doesn't run any of these classes. All these classes also have good dps builds for solo play as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Alac-Renegade, Heal Firebrands , Warriors (with banners)Anything regarding to Condi-Heralds: It is bad. It has terrible damage. Its just filled with Sustain, so it can survive extremely long (not in raids, due to Time-Limit)Same goes sadly to power heralds too. Just a bit more damage (lets call it "enough") and still good sustain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 @"panzerdragon.8791" said:I would say chrono, fire brand, and alac. If you have these three professions you can raid or frac whenever you want. You can tank , boon, and hard carry your way to victory. I can't think of a comp that doesn't run any of these classes. All these classes also have good dps builds for solo play as well .Chrono doesn't really match well in fractals, in "good" scenarios.Time warp is unplayable with short phases/fights and you don't have other good sources of Slow, so you need to take Improved alacrity and some more assassins's accessories; it's already less more dmg than the expected benchmark in raids. Same with chronophantasma, it's too hazardous; some groups can burst all phases before half your second phantasms trigger.I'm not saying you can't deal strong damage in PUG etc, but in a good composition Chrono is not close to be "meta".Support chrono. With the come back of IP it's anew playable; but FB/ren is a so strong package of utilities for all fractals and instabilities you can't really compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerdragon.8791 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 @Zhaid Zhem.6508 Very true. Power chrono is good enough in fracs , but my reasoning for it's inclusion is its ubiquity and flexibility in raids. Heck largos is still basically a mirage fight. The other two classes I think most of us are in agreement on. Thanks man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharps.4195 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 IMO, DD theif is a solid choice. Nearly infinite evades, and some of the best self heals in the game. Only downside is it is doesn't bring much group utility. However, there is some nice utility in always charging in first, evading all the CC's and being a sort of tank while your group gets ramped up on the pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 @DrNixilis.1784 said:In your opinion what are the 3 best classes for Fractals and/or Raids?Guardian/rev/ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 @Noodle Ant.1605 said:IMO the context is very broad. The 'best' classes will greatly vary depending on the situation - each for pugging/soloing/speedclearing dailies/recs/fractal CMs and pugging/fast/safe/speedclearing raids/raid CMs (could also be more).e.g. Fractals at a high level is all about burst. The 3 best (and only relevant due to other classes lacking similar burst) classes are:DHpower weaverpower SlbI've done daily fractals, recs, and CM's for years and literally never seen someone sign up as weaver. I've also gotten maybe a dozen soulbeast this entire time, it's DH or warrior pugs 99% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaogin.2679 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 All these people talking about Mesmers are living in the past. The best three classes for both fractals and raids are Guardian, Revenant, and Warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodle Ant.1605 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 @Shiyo.3578 said:@Noodle Ant.1605 said:IMO the context is very broad. The 'best' classes will greatly vary depending on the situation - each for pugging/soloing/speedclearing dailies/recs/fractal CMs and pugging/fast/safe/speedclearing raids/raid CMs (could also be more).e.g. Fractals at a high level is all about burst. The 3 best (and only relevant due to other classes lacking similar burst) classes are:DHpower weaverpower SlbI've done daily fractals, recs, and CM's for years and literally never seen someone sign up as weaver. I've also gotten maybe a dozen soulbeast this entire time, it's DH or warrior pugs 99% of the time.Quoting me from 8 months ago :tired_face:Either way, the main point was:IMO the context is very broad. The 'best' classes will greatly vary depending on the situationSo were you speedrunning? Or just pugging? The list was just an example (which may have been inaccurate) to show that it can change depending on what you are trying to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizel Silverius.6430 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Best Class are Rev/Guard/Ranger/Ele/Mesmer/Thief/Warr/Necro (in no order). Let's all be honest, you can use the BEST CLASS but still fail hard if you don't play the class properly.I've been into T4s and even CM where a Pchrono outdps a soulbeast, an Alacrity Ren outdps-ing a Berserker, a Healbrand that only gives 12 might and 20% quickness uptime and so much more horrible stuff that will make the BEST CLASS seems like the Worst.Oh and I've run with a group running Heal Tempest (that boon madness) with and a Boon Chrono (STM + Alac Well) and still does the same thing as the BEST Comp of Rev + HB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 @Noodle Ant.1605 said:@Shiyo.3578 said:@Noodle Ant.1605 said:IMO the context is very broad. The 'best' classes will greatly vary depending on the situation - each for pugging/soloing/speedclearing dailies/recs/fractal CMs and pugging/fast/safe/speedclearing raids/raid CMs (could also be more).e.g. Fractals at a high level is all about burst. The 3 best (and only relevant due to other classes lacking similar burst) classes are:DHpower weaverpower SlbI've done daily fractals, recs, and CM's for years and literally never seen someone sign up as weaver. I've also gotten maybe a dozen soulbeast this entire time, it's DH or warrior pugs 99% of the time.Quoting me from 8 months ago :tired_face:Either way, the main point was:IMO the context is very broad. The 'best' classes will greatly vary depending on the situationSo were you speedrunning? Or just pugging? The list was just an example (which may have been inaccurate) to show that it can change depending on what you are trying to look at.I'm basically saying people always say that weaver is such a great class for fractals, but you never see anyone play it. It's effort:reward ratio just isn't worth it I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizel Silverius.6430 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 @Shiyo.3578 said:>I'm basically saying people always say that weaver is such a great class for fractals, but you never see anyone play it. It's effort:reward ratio just isn't worth it I think.I'm in an agreement with this statement. The Effort vs Reward on playing weaver on a pug group is too low that you might as well play a different class all together. It only works if your running with a group that is considered great (quick CC, good boon uptime, proper support) which basically ALMOST equates to a static one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 @Shiyo.3578 said:@Noodle Ant.1605 said:@Shiyo.3578 said:@Noodle Ant.1605 said:IMO the context is very broad. The 'best' classes will greatly vary depending on the situation - each for pugging/soloing/speedclearing dailies/recs/fractal CMs and pugging/fast/safe/speedclearing raids/raid CMs (could also be more).e.g. Fractals at a high level is all about burst. The 3 best (and only relevant due to other classes lacking similar burst) classes are:DHpower weaverpower SlbI've done daily fractals, recs, and CM's for years and literally never seen someone sign up as weaver. I've also gotten maybe a dozen soulbeast this entire time, it's DH or warrior pugs 99% of the time.Quoting me from 8 months ago :tired_face:Either way, the main point was:IMO the context is very broad. The 'best' classes will greatly vary depending on the situationSo were you speedrunning? Or just pugging? The list was just an example (which may have been inaccurate) to show that it can change depending on what you are trying to look at.I'm basically saying people always say that weaver is such a great class for fractals, but you never see anyone play it. It's effort:reward ratio just isn't worth it I think.I agree :+1:Weaver needs strong mastery, with a long and paced rotation. It's not "that" hard either but the real issue is the lack of sustain, self buffs, and of support/versatility.It is okai for CM, until you have some vicious instabilities ; like 300% dmg in the back, or +damage per boons, fire balls; etc and you die very fast ; until you switch to an other fractal and you find some more troubles.SB, War, guard have much more sustain and also much more buff and utilities for the group to adapt to differents situations.Weaver is not bad, with friends in a good group. There is no real "bad" class for fractals, except may be condi scourge, deadeye, some niche builds.But if you pug you can't have too much faith in others, particulary in FB and REN to provide heals, mights, protection, walls etc, you can find a couple of surprises somtimes ; you need some reserve, some panic skills, some utilities to fill up the needs or the lacks.People should prioritize an other class (SB, DH, berserker, Holo etc for DPS) over a weaver if they want to start fractals or improve themself and the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antioche.7034 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The answer is quite simple. What's meta in every content ?1) Renegade2) Warrior Both of these are used literally in every single encounter. Renegade comes top because it can either be Alacrigade, either Condi RR, either full Condi DPS.Bannerslave warrior, either power or condi, is meta everywhere. 3) Ranger.Druid or Soulbeasts stancesharing on a few bosses for raids. Soulbeast for fractals, Druid for strikes. 4) GuardianIt isn't meta on much stuff, but is very decent everywhere. Meta in fractals as pQfb, sub-meta as DH. Meta in strikes as Cfb (DH for Bone). Meta on some raid bosses as Cfb, DH is decent on power ones. Mesmer, thieves, engis and necro see no plays in fractals so they are off, so the only other one would be Elementalist with weaver being meta in fractals and very decent everywhere else. If you ask only about Raids : Engineer's holo and mesmers are very, very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephalem.8921 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 @Antioche.7034 said:Mesmer, thieves, engis and necro see no plays in fractals so they are off, so the only other one would be Elementalist with weaver being meta in fractals and very decent everywhere else. What? Weaver is only better than holo if you have short phases and splits which just wont happen in pugs. Not everyone cares about cm boss speedkills which is what weaver + slb are good at. Holo sees plenty of play in fractals.Ranger and Guardian use both different builds and playstyles in fractals and raids so i would suggest either warrior or alac ren as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silklash.6154 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 @Antioche.7034 said:The answer is quite simple. What's meta in every content ?1) Renegade2) Warrior Both of these are used literally in every single encounter. Renegade comes top because it can either be Alacrigade, either Condi RR, either full Condi DPS.Bannerslave warrior, either power or condi, is meta everywhere. 3) Ranger.Druid or Soulbeasts stancesharing on a few bosses for raids. Soulbeast for fractals, Druid for strikes. 4) GuardianIt isn't meta on much stuff, but is very decent everywhere. Meta in fractals as pQfb, sub-meta as DH. Meta in strikes as Cfb (DH for Bone). Meta on some raid bosses as Cfb, DH is decent on power ones. Mesmer, thieves, engis and necro see no plays in fractals so they are off, so the only other one would be Elementalist with weaver being meta in fractals and very decent everywhere else. If you ask only about Raids : Engineer's holo and mesmers are very, very good. This is wrong, warriors and revs aren’t meta on Largos.If you really want something for ALL fractals and raids, it’s ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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