Nobody wins with nerf wars.....many of you don't get it

[Arheundel.6451]

There is a simple truth in MMOs that many fail or simply choose to ignore and that would be : nerfs to your class always follow nerfs to your counter . Are people so blinded by their bias that they forgot this simple truth? No matter what get nerfed...you'll get nerfed too in the end.

With less dmg...we get more unkillable bunkers...less cleansing...more condi spamand so on

-Symptom - consequence and action- , there is no escape from the nerf hammer, it comes for everybody and the more you ask for nerfs...the harder it will hit on your head later; right now there is not enough dmg to down condi bunkers who are asking for even more dmg nerfs.....you won't keep those condi bunkers for long, don't fool yourself

[Kuma.1503]

I've been trying to hammer this in since before the patch dropped. Game-wide nerfs won't magically create a balanced PvP landscape. Outliers will always exsist. Nerf those outliers and classes previously kept in check by said outliers will be come the new OP.

[Bladestrom.6425]

@Kuma.1503 said:I've been trying to hammer this in since before the patch dropped. Game-wide nerfs won't magically create a balanced PvP landscape. Outliers will always exsist. Nerf those outliers and classes previously kept in check by said outliers will be come the new OP.

You don't fix the symptoms.you fix the cause. The cause is slow patch cadence.

[Bazsi.2734]

The developers are in the middle of toning the general powerlevel down, adjustmenst are being done to ensure no builds are way out of line. Those nerfs are done based on statistics, a few players crying here and there won't materialise into actual patches.

[Exedore.6320]

The game was designed around a certain level of power. Power creep had dramatically inflated that and broken the core design of the game. The only way to fix that is through nerfs.

I'm pretty impressed that they've un-done years of power creep in a few months. There's still some to weed out, but the game is far better than it has been in years.

[Skotlex.7580]

Balance, by its very definition, is about reducing outliers. It isn't something that can be seen in such a narrow scope as "don't nerf your counter or you'll be next". Outliers are those professions which players either flock to, or avoid like the plague.

Hence, by trimming outliers, by reducing the capabilities of those builds that remain meta, while restructuring trait / utility lines that show little use, is how diversity is brought into the game.

It's a very slippery goal, and one could say it's even impossible to actually achieve, but any company serious about the competitive side of their product has no choice but to engage in it.

[ILoveMonotony.1479]

In the meantime I'm having a great time playing my Berserker - sometimes Demolisher - amulet core Engineer. For the first time in 5 years I can run a build like that. I don't keel over instantaneously when I'm being targeted. With the very limited condition removal I have I can even deal with those "undying" bunkers. Sometimes I need to disengage but that happens against any other build too.

Reducing the performance of elite specialisations was the only move. For the second biggest balance patch in the history of GW the result isn't half bad.

Of course there were going to be outliers. I did not expect less. And even after those will have been addressed, there is going to be META builds that are better adjusted to the sPvP environment. The way it's going though, non optimised builds are finally not going to be dead weight. That is a win any way you spin it. And that is why I want to see the current trend being followed through.

I'm off to enjoying my god mode Berserker amulet condition damage bruiser. ?

[Sunshine.5014]

It's disingenuous to think that people are asking for Nerfs randomly. People are asking for bringing the outliers back in line.

• Ranger's Canine pets have 1.0 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bite_(canine)
• Ranger's Bear pets have 1.25 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bear)
• Ranger's Bird pets have a 3.168 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bird) (it even hit twice)

That's is a clear outlier that needs to be fixed. Not only that, many of the Ranger's pets skills are way above the 2.0 ceiling scaling multiplier ANet talked about during the Great Nerf. Look at this 5.5 multiplier:

• https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chilling_Slash

I'm not saying we need to nerf all Ranger's pets. But we definitely need to bring those outliers back in line.

[Kuma.1503]

@"Sunshine.5014" said:It's disingenuous to think that people are asking for Nerfs randomly. People are asking for bringing the outliers back in line.

• Ranger's Canine pets have 1.0 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bite_(canine)
• Ranger's Bear pets have 1.25 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bear)
• Ranger's Canine pets have a 3.168 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bird) (it even hit twice)

That's is a clear outlier that needs to be fixed. Not only that, many of the Ranger's pets skills are way above the 2.0 ceiling scaling multiplier ANet talked about during the Great Nerf. Look at this 5.5 multiplier:

• https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chilling_Slash

I'm not saying we need to nerf all Ranger's pets. But we definitely need to bring those outliers back in line.

Some of those are fine. If a huge hecking bear runs up to me and mauls me, I expect it to hurt. A 1.25 coefficient isn't going to kill me any time soon unless I'm literally afk.

Canines however... 3.168? Really? xD. I too enjoy having an angry kitty which slashes with the force of a Prime Light Beam.

Edit: I don't even want to know what these rangers have been feeding their owls.

[Tayga.3192]

@Kuma.1503 said:If a huge hecking bear runs up to me and mauls me, I expect it to hurt.

Did you know your account name means Bear in Japanese? :)However, balance and lore are different. Maybe in pve sure, give bear 5 coefficient. In pvp, it should be balanced around its other skills and utility.

Edit: I don't even want to know what these rangers have been feeding their owls.

Well it's 2x attack with 5.5/2 coefficient each. That's still big but it's at least not 5.5 each xD

[Sunshine.5014]

@Kuma.1503 said:

@"Sunshine.5014" said:It's

disingenuous

to think that people are asking for Nerfs randomly. People are asking for bringing the

outliers

back in line.

• Ranger's Canine pets have
  1.0
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bite_(canine
  )
• Ranger's Bear pets have
  1.25
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bear
  )
• Ranger's Canine pets have a
  3.168
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bird
  ) (it even hit
  twice
  )

That's is a clear outlier that needs to be fixed. Not only that, many of the Ranger's pets skills are way above the

2.0

ceiling scaling multiplier ANet talked about during the Great Nerf. Look at this

5.5

multiplier:

• https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chilling_Slash

I'm not saying we need to nerf all Ranger's pets. But we definitely need to bring those outliers back in line.

Some of those are fine. If a huge hecking bear runs up to me and mauls me, I expect it to hurt. A 1.25 coefficient isn't going to kill me any time soon unless I'm literally afk.

Canines however... 3.168? Really? xD. I too enjoy having an angry kitty which slashes with the force of a Prime Light Beam.

Edit: I don't even want to know what these rangers have been feeding their owls.

My bad, it's Bird for the third one, not Canine. But the point still stands. 3.168 is still way too much.

[Twigifire.8379]

@Kuma.1503 said:I too enjoy having an angry kitty which slashes with the force of a Prime Light Beam.

Yeah prime light only does 30 dmg now, so maybe imagine like 500 Prime light Beams instead

[Arheundel.6451]

@"Sunshine.5014" said:It's disingenuous to think that people are asking for Nerfs randomly. People are asking for bringing the outliers back in line.

• Ranger's Canine pets have 1.0 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bite_(canine)
• Ranger's Bear pets have 1.25 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bear)
• Ranger's Bird pets have a 3.168 scaling multiplier auto attack: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bird) (it even hit twice)

That's is a clear outlier that needs to be fixed. Not only that, many of the Ranger's pets skills are way above the 2.0 ceiling scaling multiplier ANet talked about during the Great Nerf. Look at this 5.5 multiplier:

• https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chilling_Slash

I'm not saying we need to nerf all Ranger's pets. But we definitely need to bring those outliers back in line.

Bears and dogs have 800 toughness more than birds by design, the bird dies in a single aoe rotation and that's why they're not used outside duels.What I realized is that players here just want to facetank all your efforts to kill them while they walk all over you....in their mind you should do no threatening dmg so that they don't need to dodge or heal even once, so nerf maul...nerf rapid fire...nerf multipliers..nerf pets doing dmg....there is a nerf thread for each one of them so....

There would be no game to play if the devs would bend over and listen to even half of the forum

[Arheundel.6451]

@Twigifire.8379 said:

@Kuma.1503 said:I too enjoy having an angry kitty which slashes with the force of a Prime Light Beam.

Yeah prime light only does 30 dmg now, so maybe imagine like 500 Prime light Beams instead

Holosmith still heal like a bunker while being a supposedly a dmg spec..there is that too, it still deal above decent dmg with the whole package and it still has plenty of options to disengage and CC

[Burnfall.9573]

@vesica tempestas.1563 said:

@"Kuma.1503" said:I've been trying to hammer this in since before the patch dropped. Game-wide nerfs won't magically create a balanced PvP landscape. Outliers will always exsist. Nerf those outliers and classes previously kept in check by said outliers will be come the new OP.

You don't fix the symptoms.you fix the cause. The cause is slow patch cadence.

+10

[Arheundel.6451]

@Kuma.1503 said:

@"Sunshine.5014" said:It's

disingenuous

to think that people are asking for Nerfs randomly. People are asking for bringing the

outliers

back in line.

• Ranger's Canine pets have
  1.0
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bite_(canine
  )
• Ranger's Bear pets have
  1.25
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bear
  )
• Ranger's Canine pets have a
  3.168
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bird
  ) (it even hit
  twice
  )

That's is a clear outlier that needs to be fixed. Not only that, many of the Ranger's pets skills are way above the

2.0

ceiling scaling multiplier ANet talked about during the Great Nerf. Look at this

5.5

multiplier:

• https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chilling_Slash

I'm not saying we need to nerf all Ranger's pets. But we definitely need to bring those outliers back in line.

Some of those are fine. If a huge hecking bear runs up to me and mauls me, I expect it to hurt. A 1.25 coefficient isn't going to kill me any time soon unless I'm literally afk.

Canines however... 3.168? Really? xD. I too enjoy having an angry kitty which slashes with the force of a Prime Light Beam.

Edit: I don't even want to know what these rangers have been feeding their owls.

That's the whole point of nerf threads...they don't want your pets to do anything...just nothing, not even enough dmg to tickle you

[Lincolnbeard.1735]

You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

[Arheundel.6451]

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

All my nerfs were direct and straight to the point, where I mention the specific problem and that alone...I dare you to go and try to find otherwise in my threads..I dare you to go and post it here. Not once! Not even once I asked for a profession to be removed from the spectrum of viability , I know what makes each profession tick, I ask to reduce specific aspects of a class...not stopping them from being any kind of threat to me and that's the main difference between me and the likes of you and those who act like you.

Many of you want that or that other profession completely neutered and out of the picture....that's not balance of any sort. also...for the last time as I am tired of repeating myself on this : I have several mains and I asked for heavy nerfs on ranger in the past , on boonbeast and druid, going against the whole ranger forum where I posted them because I don't cower like you...I can hold my argument because I know what I am talking about, I don't post a cropped image and start whining left and right.

And the point of this thread stand...once one of the professions I play is neutered out of viability.,..what do you think will happen to yours?

[Lincolnbeard.1735]

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@"Lincolnbeard.1735" said:You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

All my nerfs were direct and straight to the point, where

I mention the specific problem and that alone

...I dare you to go and try to find otherwise in my threads..I dare you to go and post it here. Not once! Not even once I asked for a profession to be removed from the spectrum of viability ,

I know what makes each profession tick

, I ask to reduce specific aspects of a class...not stopping them from being any kind of threat to me and that's the

main difference

between me and the likes of you and those who act like you.

Many of you want that or that other profession completely neutered and out of the picture....that's not balance of any sort. also...for the last time as I am tired of repeating myself on this :

I have several mains

and I asked for heavy nerfs on ranger in the past , on boonbeast and druid, going against the whole ranger forum where I posted them because I don't cower like you...I can hold my argument because I know what I am talking about, I don't post a cropped image and start whining left and right.

And the point of this thread stand...once one of the professions I play is neutered out of viability.,..what do you think will happen to yours?

The others nerfs are also straight to the point, such as the ones that you're trying to avoid.Mine? Was already, quoting you "neutered" in part thanks to your efforts.

@"apharma.3741" said:This however is all smoke and mirrors to stave off the inevitable addressing of ranger, your efforts would be better placed promoting a post by Ovark linked below as it targets a factor that might stop ranger getting chrono'd.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/99808/5y-later-smokescale-is-still-the-strongest-pet-hands-down

IndeedSo obvious it hurts.

[Axl.8924]

@Kuma.1503 said:

@"Sunshine.5014" said:It's

disingenuous

to think that people are asking for Nerfs randomly. People are asking for bringing the

outliers

back in line.

• Ranger's Canine pets have
  1.0
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bite_(canine
  )
• Ranger's Bear pets have
  1.25
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bear
  )
• Ranger's Canine pets have a
  3.168
  scaling multiplier auto attack:
  https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_(bird
  ) (it even hit
  twice
  )

That's is a clear outlier that needs to be fixed. Not only that, many of the Ranger's pets skills are way above the

2.0

ceiling scaling multiplier ANet talked about during the Great Nerf. Look at this

5.5

multiplier:

• https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chilling_Slash

I'm not saying we need to nerf all Ranger's pets. But we definitely need to bring those outliers back in line.

Some of those are fine. If a huge hecking bear runs up to me and mauls me, I expect it to hurt. A 1.25 coefficient isn't going to kill me any time soon unless I'm literally afk.

Canines however... 3.168? Really? xD. I too enjoy having an angry kitty which slashes with the force of a Prime Light Beam.

Edit: I don't even want to know what these rangers have been feeding their owls.

I actually was laughing my ass off hearing HOOT HOOT while being pecked. The thought of a owl pecking me to death for that much is so unreal.

If it was a eagle? sure a owl? i don't think of killer owls.

[Arheundel.6451]

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

All my nerfs were direct and straight to the point, where

I mention the specific problem and that alone

...I dare you to go and try to find otherwise in my threads..I dare you to go and post it here. Not once! Not even once I asked for a profession to be removed from the spectrum of viability ,

I know what makes each profession tick

, I ask to reduce specific aspects of a class...not stopping them from being any kind of threat to me and that's the

main difference

between me and the likes of you and those who act like you.

Many of you want that or that other profession completely neutered and out of the picture....that's not balance of any sort. also...for the last time as I am tired of repeating myself on this :

I have several mains

and I asked for heavy nerfs on ranger in the past , on boonbeast and druid, going against the whole ranger forum where I posted them because I don't cower like you...I can hold my argument because I know what I am talking about, I don't post a cropped image and start whining left and right.

And the point of this thread stand...once one of the professions I play is neutered out of viability.,..what do you think will happen to yours?

The others nerfs are also straight to the point, such as the ones that you're trying to avoid.Mine? Was already, quoting you "neutered" in part thanks to your efforts.

@"apharma.3741" said:This however is all smoke and mirrors to stave off the inevitable addressing of ranger, your efforts would be better placed promoting a post by Ovark linked below as it targets a factor that might stop ranger getting chrono'd.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/99808/5y-later-smokescale-is-still-the-strongest-pet-hands-down

IndeedSo obvious it hurts.

The neutered professions magically return always to the spotlight so again my question : what did you accomplish for the last 8 years other than swapping around classes from viable state?

[apharma.3741]

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

All my nerfs were direct and straight to the point, where

I mention the specific problem and that alone

...I dare you to go and try to find otherwise in my threads..I dare you to go and post it here. Not once! Not even once I asked for a profession to be removed from the spectrum of viability ,

I know what makes each profession tick

, I ask to reduce specific aspects of a class...not stopping them from being any kind of threat to me and that's the

main difference

between me and the likes of you and those who act like you.

Many of you want that or that other profession completely neutered and out of the picture....that's not balance of any sort. also...for the last time as I am tired of repeating myself on this :

I have several mains

and I asked for heavy nerfs on ranger in the past , on boonbeast and druid, going against the whole ranger forum where I posted them because I don't cower like you...I can hold my argument because I know what I am talking about, I don't post a cropped image and start whining left and right.

And the point of this thread stand...once one of the professions I play is neutered out of viability.,..what do you think will happen to yours?

The others nerfs are also straight to the point, such as the ones that you're trying to avoid.Mine? Was already, quoting you "neutered" in part thanks to your efforts.

@"apharma.3741" said:This however is all smoke and mirrors to stave off the inevitable addressing of ranger, your efforts would be better placed promoting a post by Ovark linked below as it targets a factor that might stop ranger getting chrono'd.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/99808/5y-later-smokescale-is-still-the-strongest-pet-hands-down

IndeedSo obvious it hurts.

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

All my nerfs were direct and straight to the point, where

I mention the specific problem and that alone

...I dare you to go and try to find otherwise in my threads..I dare you to go and post it here. Not once! Not even once I asked for a profession to be removed from the spectrum of viability ,

I know what makes each profession tick

, I ask to reduce specific aspects of a class...not stopping them from being any kind of threat to me and that's the

main difference

between me and the likes of you and those who act like you.

Many of you want that or that other profession completely neutered and out of the picture....that's not balance of any sort. also...for the last time as I am tired of repeating myself on this :

I have several mains

and I asked for heavy nerfs on ranger in the past , on boonbeast and druid, going against the whole ranger forum where I posted them because I don't cower like you...I can hold my argument because I know what I am talking about, I don't post a cropped image and start whining left and right.

And the point of this thread stand...once one of the professions I play is neutered out of viability.,..what do you think will happen to yours?

The others nerfs are also straight to the point, such as the ones that you're trying to avoid.Mine? Was already, quoting you "neutered" in part thanks to your efforts.

@"apharma.3741" said:This however is all smoke and mirrors to stave off the inevitable addressing of ranger, your efforts would be better placed promoting a post by Ovark linked below as it targets a factor that might stop ranger getting chrono'd.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/99808/5y-later-smokescale-is-still-the-strongest-pet-hands-down

IndeedSo obvious it hurts.

The neutered professions magically return always to the spotlight so again my question : what did you accomplish for the last 8 years other than swapping around classes from viable state?

This is why I said the minutia is lost on people making this claim. You buff and nerf around an average power level to switch up the meta and keep the game interesting, something becomes a bit stronger for a while, sometimes a little weaker but it encourages people to try a few different things and play different style.

Where the current remark comes off as smol bran is because we've just had a big redress of 5 years of power creep where some aspects will have been missed for a variety of reasons and still need bringing down to the new power level in this case. That's without also mentioning the new power level is still in a state of flux as the devs figure out where they want the game to be.

That means the premise of the post is wrong because it applies to when the power level is not in so much flux or has had a monumental shift.

[apharma.3741]

@Burnfall.9573 said:

@"apharma.3741" said:Unfortunately there's a lot of smol bran people propagating this falsehood. It is true if you are in a repeated cycle of nerfs/buffs around an average power level. Even then the minutia of what this accomplishes is lost on those saying this.

Where this becomes smol bran is when nerfs are used to create a grand shift in game play altogether, like this big patch was aimed at doing, and largely succeeded at. No longer can you just run a counter and easy faceroll everything else and what you counter needs an extraordinary skill advantage to win or have your build with little to no counter at all able to run around with impunity.

This however is all smoke and mirrors to stave off the inevitable addressing of ranger, your efforts would be better placed promoting a post by Ovark linked below as it targets a factor that might stop ranger getting chrono'd.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/99808/5y-later-smokescale-is-still-the-strongest-pet-hands-down

Apharma, be polite

It was not directed at anyone in particular and more of a cautionary against using derived knowledge without knowing or understanding it's context. Regardless my last part was right on the money, Ovark's post should be getting more attention as it outlines a big problem not only for rangers but those fighting rangers.

As for politeness I gave my post every ounce of civility it deserved.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Kuma.1503 said:I've been trying to hammer this in since before the patch dropped. Game-wide nerfs won't magically create a balanced PvP landscape. Outliers will always exsist. Nerf those outliers and classes previously kept in check by said outliers will be come the new OP.

i'm curious, what do you consider an acceptable outlier? myself I think both one shot builds and unkillable bunkers are outliers. a skill taking away half my health is fine if it has a decent animation and cd. been hit by 12k vault, 18k arc divider (downed after 1 hit that was 6k so i'm assuming the total was 18k), soulbeast lb 100-0, and mes one shot from stealth all post patch. I've also fought plenty of bunkers that don't really do anything other then survive and poke, and I think its kinda funny that people are complaining about them cuz they don't really do anything other then sit on point and die slowly. every time I've faced a bunker necro, if our team was decent, we've destroyed it.

[Arheundel.6451]

@apharma.3741 said:

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

All my nerfs were direct and straight to the point, where

I mention the specific problem and that alone

...I dare you to go and try to find otherwise in my threads..I dare you to go and post it here. Not once! Not even once I asked for a profession to be removed from the spectrum of viability ,

I know what makes each profession tick

, I ask to reduce specific aspects of a class...not stopping them from being any kind of threat to me and that's the

main difference

between me and the likes of you and those who act like you.

Many of you want that or that other profession completely neutered and out of the picture....that's not balance of any sort. also...for the last time as I am tired of repeating myself on this :

I have several mains

and I asked for heavy nerfs on ranger in the past , on boonbeast and druid, going against the whole ranger forum where I posted them because I don't cower like you...I can hold my argument because I know what I am talking about, I don't post a cropped image and start whining left and right.

And the point of this thread stand...once one of the professions I play is neutered out of viability.,..what do you think will happen to yours?

The others nerfs are also straight to the point, such as the ones that you're trying to avoid.Mine? Was already, quoting you "neutered" in part thanks to your efforts.

@apharma.3741 said:This however is all smoke and mirrors to stave off the inevitable addressing of ranger, your efforts would be better placed promoting a post by Ovark linked below as it targets a factor that might stop ranger getting chrono'd.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/99808/5y-later-smokescale-is-still-the-strongest-pet-hands-down

IndeedSo obvious it hurts.

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:You made a ton of posts asking for nerfs on other professions.Is it that yours is on the line now so you miraculously saw the light?

All my nerfs were direct and straight to the point, where

I mention the specific problem and that alone

...I dare you to go and try to find otherwise in my threads..I dare you to go and post it here. Not once! Not even once I asked for a profession to be removed from the spectrum of viability ,

I know what makes each profession tick

, I ask to reduce specific aspects of a class...not stopping them from being any kind of threat to me and that's the

main difference

between me and the likes of you and those who act like you.

Many of you want that or that other profession completely neutered and out of the picture....that's not balance of any sort. also...for the last time as I am tired of repeating myself on this :

I have several mains

and I asked for heavy nerfs on ranger in the past , on boonbeast and druid, going against the whole ranger forum where I posted them because I don't cower like you...I can hold my argument because I know what I am talking about, I don't post a cropped image and start whining left and right.

And the point of this thread stand...once one of the professions I play is neutered out of viability.,..what do you think will happen to yours?

The others nerfs are also straight to the point, such as the ones that you're trying to avoid.Mine? Was already, quoting you "neutered" in part thanks to your efforts.

@apharma.3741 said:This however is all smoke and mirrors to stave off the inevitable addressing of ranger, your efforts would be better placed promoting a post by Ovark linked below as it targets a factor that might stop ranger getting chrono'd.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/99808/5y-later-smokescale-is-still-the-strongest-pet-hands-down

IndeedSo obvious it hurts.

The neutered professions magically return always to the spotlight so again my question : what did you accomplish for the last 8 years other than swapping around classes from viable state?

This is why I said the minutia is lost on people making this claim. You buff and nerf around an average power level to switch up the meta and keep the game interesting, something becomes a bit stronger for a while, sometimes a little weaker but it encourages people to try a few different things and play different style.

Where the current remark comes off as smol bran is because we've just had a big redress of 5 years of power creep where some aspects will have been missed for a variety of reasons and still need bringing down to the new power level in this case. That's without also mentioning the new power level is still in a state of flux as the devs figure out where they want the game to be.

That means the premise of the post is wrong because it applies to when the power level is not in so much flux or has had a monumental shift.

There is no "average power level" because nerf threads won't stop till one profession is neutered out of viability as is with ele periodically , they have been "trying to figure out" where game meant to be for the last 8 years with no success...the only constant is overnerfing to please forum outcry