Vinceman.4572 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 @Andovar Edoras.2143 said:One of the main blunders of legendary armor was it being locked behind raids, which is already Very polarizing content on its own, with only a minority participating in it.Adding a fractal legendary armor set would be amazing, as fractals are much more popular overall, and im sure people can handle it being timegated. A combination of Fractals and PoF collections, id recommend. (legendary raid armor already involves HoT collections)Legendary fractal armor would be locked behind 99 & 100 challenge mode for sure which is kind of the same content as raids. 100 CM is even harder than a lot of raid bosses and additionally the personal responsibility is much higher in 5 men groups a.k.a. fractal groups compared to raids. So it's heavily questioned that more people than your so called minority would achieve that armor. Of course they could factor out the challenge modes but it's unlikely that they would do that. Also a lot of people aren't familiar with T4s as well and they would still be excluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 @Andovar Edoras.2143 said:One of the main blunders of legendary armor was it being locked behind raids, which is already Very polarizing content on its own, with only a minority participating in it.Adding a fractal legendary armor set would be amazing, as fractals are much more popular overall, and im sure people can handle it being timegated. A combination of Fractals and PoF collections, id recommend. (legendary raid armor already involves HoT collections)While i do not think that introducing a fractal legendary armor is a bad idea on its own, it's not the time for that yet. Obtaining Fractal armor would, in many ways, be way too similar to the raid set, and would mostly be acquirable by the very same people. If you really don;t want to repeat the very same blunder envoy armor was, the second PvE legendary armor set should have a path similar to the 1.0 and 2.0 legendary weapons collections - so, mainly Open World one. Although it might be this time more PoF related. Or IBS related, if devs wanted to keep it more current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann.1946 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 @Enokitake.1742 said:@Vinceman.4572 said:@Tails.9372 said:@Vinceman.4572 said:It was just stupid to read the discussion whether there are three or two game modes. Doesn't make sense at all and went way too hard off-topic.It's actually not off-topic as this (while just a bunch of nonsensical semantics) seems to be the main argument against having more legendary armor sets.It IS off-topic if you argue against each other over 20 posts in a thread where people want to talk about legendary fractal armor. People always find the most stupid explanations helping to support their views.And in this specific case it certainly doesn't matter if we talk about "every game mode has its own leggy armor" or "but the PvP area (or whatever people call sPvP & WVW together) has 2 armors". It's just utterly bs, nothing more.Add to this that trying to hold game mode rewards that should've been in place for years hostage because people won't run the game mode you want them to get legendary armor reeks of pettiness. Players should always have more options. It doesn't matter if its 2 or 3 modes if you can make it 5 modes at relatively the same difficulty/cost/time sink per each mode.While I stand neutral to whether we need another legendary armour set.More options are not always better. Both for the player and de designer.1) one is called the paradox of choice. The more choice someone have, the less likely someone is to be happy with the product they buy.(this is more relevant for the increase in mmo's in general but an interesting fact nonetheless).2) if the goal of a thing is to give motivation to try different things, stepping out of their comfort zone. Then giving more choice works against the goal. And the general enjoyment of the playerbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moradorin.6217 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I want to see the Pvp Mistforged skins redone/fixed to be more consistent with other like wvw, raid legendary armor before we consider adding a 4th set. Seriously, but nice idea I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @yann.1946 said:2) if the goal of a thing is to give motivation to try different things, stepping out of their comfort zone. Then giving more choice works against the goal. And the general enjoyment of the playerbase. Forcing people out of their comfort zone usually results in less comfort (and enjoyment), not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann.1946 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Astralporing.1957 said:@yann.1946 said:2) if the goal of a thing is to give motivation to try different things, stepping out of their comfort zone. Then giving more choice works against the goal. And the general enjoyment of the playerbase. Forcing people out of their comfort zone usually results in less comfort (and enjoyment), not more.That absolutely depends on the situation. Their are quite few cases where people stepped outside their comfort zone and realised they enjoyed something they didn't think they would. Long term stepping outside your comfort zone increases comfort on average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @yann.1946 said:@Astralporing.1957 said:@yann.1946 said:2) if the goal of a thing is to give motivation to try different things, stepping out of their comfort zone. Then giving more choice works against the goal. And the general enjoyment of the playerbase. Forcing people out of their comfort zone usually results in less comfort (and enjoyment), not more.That absolutely depends on the situation. Their are quite few cases where people stepped outside their comfort zone and realised they enjoyed something they didn't think they would. Long term stepping outside your comfort zone increases comfort on average.There's a reason why usually one of the first reactions of people forced out of their comfort zones is to find a new confort zone for themselves. That reason is not because they felt the change brought them more comfort. Quite the opposite.Yes, there are edge cases, but they are by no means common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann.1946 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Astralporing.1957 said:@yann.1946 said:@Astralporing.1957 said:@yann.1946 said:2) if the goal of a thing is to give motivation to try different things, stepping out of their comfort zone. Then giving more choice works against the goal. And the general enjoyment of the playerbase. Forcing people out of their comfort zone usually results in less comfort (and enjoyment), not more.That absolutely depends on the situation. Their are quite few cases where people stepped outside their comfort zone and realised they enjoyed something they didn't think they would. Long term stepping outside your comfort zone increases comfort on average.There's a reason why usually one of the first reactions of people forced out of their comfort zones is to find a new confort zone for themselves. That reason is not because they felt the change brought them more comfort. Quite the opposite.Yes, there are edge cases, but they are by no means common.Exactly, the first reaction can be negative. But longterm on average (I'm not saying in all cases) the result is positive. How many things have you done that you enjoyed because friends pushed you, and would have never done without them. If people are not pushed out of their comfort zones we will just get stagnation. It also depends on how much in one go etc. But where getting quite of topic here already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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