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A New Theory About Why The Sylvari Are Resistant To Elder Dragon Corruption


Stephen.6312

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@Dustfinger.9510 said:

@Dustfinger.9510 said:Ehh, Glint has no issue with being ED spawn. I don't think the Pale Tree would or the Sylvari since they have proven themselves the whole time.

Actually prior to the information that Glint was previously an Elder Dragon Champion she did not disclose that fact to Destiny's Edge or others.She intentionally hid that information from those who were not aware of it, likely fearing that mortals would turn on her if they knew.

When Destiny's Edge first learned of her origins they actually tried to kill her, but she defeated them, spared their lives and told them the truth about her past and convinced them of her intentions to fight her former master, which she later proved beyond doubt when she died fighting Kralkatorrik.

They tried to kill an unknown dragon spawn until they saw that she proved herself an ally. The Sylvari and pale Tree have the benefit of already having proved themselves allies.

They did until Scarlet and more importantly Mordremoth came into the picture.Lot of people didn't trust Sylvari during HoT and even afterwards.

Sylvari for the most part didn't know they came from Mordremoth though, only a select few did know and kept that secret from the others.Glint did know her origins, but despite the retcons Konig mentioned, she did still keep that information from Destiny's Edge until it became common knoweledge.Destiny's Edge knew Glint before learning her origins, she wasn't some unknown Dragon spawn she was an ally to them and a known and promenant being in Tyria.When they went to kill her they were operating under false information from Faolin that she was secretly preparing for her masters awakening.She beat Destiny's Edge in battle and spared their lives then told them the truth to earn their trust again.

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@"Teratus.2859" said:They did until Scarlet and more importantly Mordremoth came into the picture.Lot of people didn't trust Sylvari during HoT and even afterwards.

Sylvari for the most part didn't know they came from Mordremoth though, only a select few did know and kept that secret from the others.

TBH, people don't need to trust sylvari en masse. They need to just not attack on sight. That said, the reason why people don't trust sylvari isn't because they are Mordremoth's spawn, but because so many of them gave in and turned to Mordremoth - something that might not have happened if the Pale Tree was upfront about their origins.

Glint did know her origins, but despite the retcons Konig mentioned, she did still keep that information from Destiny's Edge until it became common knoweledge.

This is untrue and also ultimately irrelevant. Destiny's Edge learned it before it became common knowledge - in fact, it became common knowledge because of Destiny's Edge (they were the only ones who knew who could spread it for it to become common knowledge), which is where it's untrue. It's irrelevant because Glint was never in contact with Destiny's Edge until they came to kill her.

The only ones she was ever in contact with for the entirety of her stay in the Crystal Desert - which is suggested to have been since 100 BE at the latest - was the Forgotten, Brotherhood of the Dragon (and maybe later Zephyrites and Exalted), and the Chosen from GW1. And except for the last group - who did learn about her origins eventually - she did not hide her origins (hence again, "ultimately irrelevant") - it was those groups who kept it a secret. It's unknown whether they came it a secret because they deemed it best, or because Glint did. That's left unclear.

Destiny's Edge knew Glint before learning her origins, she wasn't some unknown Dragon spawn she was an ally to them and a known and promenant being in Tyria.

They knew of Glint - well, Logan and Caithe knew of her. It's never really shown if the other four members of Destiny's Edge knew of her before the revelation by Faolain that Glint was Kralkatorrik's champion. But even Logan had never met Glint prior to the mission to kill her.

She beat Destiny's Edge in battle and spared their lives then told them the truth to earn their trust again.It was more of a standstill after the first turn in a turn-based rpg combat. Destiny's Edge each let off one attack, and Glint countered, made distance, and spoke to them.

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@Stephen.6312 said:

@Stephen.6312 said:That's a rather bold statement, Konig. Nothing is really known about the origin of the Bloodstone. Your response is as much a theory as my original post. Still, the Elder Dragons played a part in the story of the Bloodstone
at least once
: Zaithan's powers were used to help sunder it into five pieces, if memory serves faithfully.

We actually know quite a bit about the creation of the original Bloodstone.

I
presume
that the majority of that information is contained in the wiki? I think, all things considered, that what you consider "quite a bit" is what I consider to be "very little". Even if we adopt your position and say that we know "quite a bit", it's a real stretch to
exclude
the idea that the blood of the Elder Dragons wasn't used to forge the stone.
  1. The sylvari are immune to Mordremoth's corruption too
    . This is why Mordremoth has to use loopholes by exploiting his own connection to the Dream of Dreams. And this is why the Mordrem Guard were able to return to their old selves once separated from Mordremoth's whispers.

On the contrary, they're
resistant
to Mordremoth's corruption and
immune
to the corruption of every other Elder Dragon.No, they're immune to Mordremoth's corruption too. This is why Mordrem Guard have to be converted. They're not corrupted, they're brainwashed through bombardment of whispers.

Fun fact: the word "corrupted" is
never
used by ANet on the Mordrem Guard.

The term "corruption" is used, though, in Anet's pre-HoT releases about the sylvari that have turned. Why should the mordrem guard be any different to your run-of-the-mill sylvari? To say that the sylvari are immune to Mordremoth's corruption just doesn't make sense, especially when dialogue between the sylvari PC and the Pale Mother includes very specific language like: "We've been immune to [Elder Dragon corruption]". The implication of such specific language being that the sylvari view
themselves
as somehow vulnerable to Mordremoth's corruption.

The big question here is how we define "corruption". Is it just the ability to hear an Elder Dragon's whispers, or is it a change in biology? From the Icebrood Saga, it seems that simply hearing whispers isn't enough to corrupt and that some sort of biological change is required to confer corruption. We certainly see some drastic changes in sylvari corrupted by Mordremoth, suggesting that their biology has been altered. Faolain is a prime, and perhaps the most extreme, example.

The other big question is how you "come back" from corruption. Some sylvari have. We know that the cleansing of dragon corruption is possible, but the biology of the cleansed doesn't appear to change (e.g. Twitchy). So there's something for the player base to ponder.

I guess another thing about Mordremoth’s corruption is Trahearne. At the end of Heart of Thorns, he appears to be half changed in terms of his skin and appears to be forcibly corrupted rather then “turned”.

Scarlet and Aerin appear to be examples of Mordremoth turning soundless Sylvari, which the Pale Tree advises, lack protection. Might be why Mordremoth has to skirt around in the Dream with the Wyld hunts in order to convert Sylvari while these two seem to just be vulnerable.

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