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@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Roche.7491 said:Only solution, increase Strike Rewards equal to raid and raid will be gone to oblivion. Gw2 mmo freedom and no Skill discrimination Style. They did it in exotic ascended equipment, They did it on pvp, they did it on strike, they certainly can do it on raids.

Strikes already provide better loot than raids. That's what this thread is all about...

You seem confused as to which content provides how much return.

Well, some
possible
rewards in Strikes (precursors) are better. But from what you actually get, raid rewards are better. You get more gold and the chance to get ascended gear is quite high. If you don't get the special weapon skins through drops, you can buy them with raid currency.

Strikes reward more gold/time spent compared to raids. Have less unique rewards while not being subject to weekly lockouts.

From this perspective I share your point of view. That's the reason I had the idea of an additional weekly chest for raids. To make them more viable compared to now and giving credit to the advanced difficulty of raids and the time spent compared to strikes.

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@Roche.7491 said:No. I discourage raids. Let those people who demands kp stick with addicts forever.

Strike and fracts are the way to go. Friendly and casual environment.

Strikes are not friendly. They have the same boot without explaining why problem as raids. I have been in raid groups where communication happened and I was able to contribute because of it. Ended in a successfully cleared raid wing. Got booted from a strike with zero communication. Turns out, after badgering the leader privately, they just needed me to run a different build which was more than doable. Eliminate one mode or the other and the toxic part of the community will just become more saturated in the remaining mode. At least this keeps them out of the modes I have come to prefer to play where the bulk of people you encounter are worth being around.

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@Super Hayes.6890 said:

@Roche.7491 said:No. I discourage raids. Let those people who demands kp stick with addicts forever.

Strike and fracts are the way to go. Friendly and casual environment.

Strikes are not friendly. They have the same boot without explaining why problem as raids. I have been in raid groups where communication happened and I was able to contribute because of it. Ended in a successfully cleared raid wing. Got booted from a strike with zero communication. Turns out, after badgering the leader privately, they just needed me to run a different build which was more than doable. Eliminate one mode or the other and the toxic part of the community will just become more saturated in the remaining mode. At least this keeps them out of the modes I have come to prefer to play where the bulk of people you encounter are worth being around.

If your the 15th person who join when asking for Quickbrand and you go in as dragonhunter without a word you will get kicked, it dont matter that its another spec you dont join with what was required and dident say you were switching.Just becouse its the first thing that happen for you dont mean the commander haven seen alot of other people do just like you did many times before that session.

And thats not speaking about all the ranger, warriors, necros etc that join when your looking for alac/quickbrands.

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@Linken.6345 said:

@"Roche.7491" said:No. I discourage raids. Let those people who demands kp stick with addicts forever.

Strike and fracts are the way to go. Friendly and casual environment.

Strikes are not friendly. They have the same boot without explaining why problem as raids. I have been in raid groups where communication happened and I was able to contribute because of it. Ended in a successfully cleared raid wing. Got booted from a strike with zero communication. Turns out, after badgering the leader privately, they just needed me to run a different build which was more than doable. Eliminate one mode or the other and the toxic part of the community will just become more saturated in the remaining mode. At least this keeps them out of the modes I have come to prefer to play where the bulk of people you encounter are worth being around.

If your the 15th person who join when asking for Quickbrand and you go in as dragonhunter without a word you will get kicked, it dont matter that its another spec you dont join with what was required and dident say you were switching.Just becouse its the first thing that happen for you dont mean the commander haven seen alot of other people do just like you did many times before that session.

And thats not speaking about all the ranger, warriors, necros etc that join when your looking for alac/quickbrands.

The group description was for strikes. I was with the group for three of them. Kicked on the fourth. No posts, no requirements in LFG and everything ran smooth up to that point. "Hey, your build isn't working for what I want, please switch to this" would have been easier than booting and searching for a player that had a build I could easily have equiped. I appreciate where you are comming from but sometimes people are jerks and I see this in raids and strikes way more often than anywhere else.

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@Super Hayes.6890 said:

@"Roche.7491" said:No. I discourage raids. Let those people who demands kp stick with addicts forever.

Strike and fracts are the way to go. Friendly and casual environment.

Strikes are not friendly. They have the same boot without explaining why problem as raids. I have been in raid groups where communication happened and I was able to contribute because of it. Ended in a successfully cleared raid wing. Got booted from a strike with zero communication. Turns out, after badgering the leader privately, they just needed me to run a different build which was more than doable. Eliminate one mode or the other and the toxic part of the community will just become more saturated in the remaining mode. At least this keeps them out of the modes I have come to prefer to play where the bulk of people you encounter are worth being around.

If your the 15th person who join when asking for Quickbrand and you go in as dragonhunter without a word you will get kicked, it dont matter that its another spec you dont join with what was required and dident say you were switching.Just becouse its the first thing that happen for you dont mean the commander haven seen alot of other people do just like you did many times before that session.

And thats not speaking about all the ranger, warriors, necros etc that join when your looking for alac/quickbrands.

The group description was for strikes. I was with the group for three of them. Kicked on the fourth. No posts, no requirements in LFG and everything ran smooth up to that point. "Hey, your build isn't working for what I want, please switch to this" would have been easier than booting and searching for a player that had a build I could easily have equiped. I appreciate where you are comming from but sometimes people are jerks and I see this in raids and strikes way more often than anywhere else.

Where you running arcdps?

It is not uncommon for weaker players to get removed once a group gets to whisper or boneskinner, though this is rather rare on no requirement LFGs from my experience (which is limited since I usually join LI groups or groups with at least a minimum of class organization). Since I wasn't there I won't assume, I have no idea as what role you were present, nor what the groups performance was like.

A run being "smooth" says nothing when the first 3 bosses are the easy ones pre whisper/boneskinner. Those 3 are basically face roll easy, with the first one not even requiring a dedicated heal and the later 2 (fraenir and twins) being easily carried by a decent healer.

If your group started with whisper and/or boneskinner, which some commanders like doing as to prevent people leaving after the easy bosses, then I agree, that was likely a move to make room for some one else and was not warranted.

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@Cyninja.2954 said:

@"Roche.7491" said:No. I discourage raids. Let those people who demands kp stick with addicts forever.

Strike and fracts are the way to go. Friendly and casual environment.

Strikes are not friendly. They have the same boot without explaining why problem as raids. I have been in raid groups where communication happened and I was able to contribute because of it. Ended in a successfully cleared raid wing. Got booted from a strike with zero communication. Turns out, after badgering the leader privately, they just needed me to run a different build which was more than doable. Eliminate one mode or the other and the toxic part of the community will just become more saturated in the remaining mode. At least this keeps them out of the modes I have come to prefer to play where the bulk of people you encounter are worth being around.

If your the 15th person who join when asking for Quickbrand and you go in as dragonhunter without a word you will get kicked, it dont matter that its another spec you dont join with what was required and dident say you were switching.Just becouse its the first thing that happen for you dont mean the commander haven seen alot of other people do just like you did many times before that session.

And thats not speaking about all the ranger, warriors, necros etc that join when your looking for alac/quickbrands.

The group description was for strikes. I was with the group for three of them. Kicked on the fourth. No posts, no requirements in LFG and everything ran smooth up to that point. "Hey, your build isn't working for what I want, please switch to this" would have been easier than booting and searching for a player that had a build I could easily have equiped. I appreciate where you are comming from but sometimes people are jerks and I see this in raids and strikes way more often than anywhere else.

Where you running arcdps?

It is not uncommon for weaker players to get removed once a group gets to whisper or boneskinner, though this is rather rare on no requirement LFGs from my experience (which is limited since I usually join LI groups or groups with at least a minimum of class organization). Since I wasn't there I won't assume, I have no idea as what role you were present, nor what the groups performance was like.

A run being "smooth" says nothing when the first 3 bosses are the easy ones pre whisper/boneskinner. Those 3 are basically face roll easy, with the first one not even requiring a dedicated heal and the later 2 (fraenir and twins) being easily carried by a decent healer.

If your group started with whisper and/or boneskinner, which some commanders like doing as to prevent people leaving after the easy bosses, then I agree, that was likely a move to make room for some one else and was not warranted.

No on arcdps

The issue was more about my surprise at being booted with no communication on a strike pickup group. I guess they just assumed my knowledge was top tier? Once I found out what they needed I was ticked because it was a build I already had on my templates but I have only done strikes a handful of times before this and didn't know it was expected on the other three bosses before the one I was booted for. It was actually a build I used in the few raids I had cleared. Put it in your LFG or ask the people that join if they will run what you want. Don't run a LFG with no requirements and kick people without telling them what you want. It's straight up mean and disheartening. I stopped playing that night because I was angry and needed to vent, only it occurred where I normally go to de-stress. I have been avoiding this content since because that is not how gamers treat each other. We are better than that. Sorry for the rant. Feel free to disect it. I'm sure I am wrong for feeling that way.

Anyway the rewards are fine. The issue is toxicity.

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@"Roche.7491" said:

In raids, you honestly asked a question Hello. What do you mean by kp? You won’t receive any reply and get booted out the map with no idea what is kp or what is going on lol.

You can join training raid which would always be happy to answer your question. Or a guild. You just need to find a right place to ask.

Funny thing is that those leaders who wants immediately good teammates, are leaders who succk at pvp. they only know how to blame the team for losing & ...

I think this is pretty much personal biased hatred. Most raid leaders I know are either platinum or legendary pvp rank.

Until gw2 fixed the Raid system, Raid won’t get much support compared from majority of the population. That’s why they experimented and invented these so called Strike with great success. The majority supported strikes but not raid. Raid is only surviving because of the unbalance reward gw2 gave.

The developer say they introduce the raid as "a starting point for people to get into raid". Raid exists because some people want challenge. The reward imo are not as good as open world farm even with a static that clears all 7 wings in 3 hours.

Only solution, increase Strike Rewards equal to raid and raid will be gone to oblivion. Gw2 mmo freedom and no Skill discrimination Style. They did it in exotic ascended equipment, They did it on pvp, they did it on strike, they certainly can do it on raids.

Quite the contrary, with legendary armory I see a surging amount of player going to raid training and casual runs to get Legendary armor and ring someday. So your hope that "raid would go Oblivion" is just your personal illusion.

In short: find a right place, stop biased hatred, stop your illusion.

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I really wish for raids to get more population. It's always fun when new members join our raid guild. We even make meme runs, which means we're running raids for fun with completely bullshit group comps. Yesterday evening it was Wing 1 and Escort with no Druid and no Chronos. Me and another thief went for towers with Shadow Portal and at Sabetha the one coming back from a cannon called out the player for the next cannon and then when kiting until the next cannon player came back xD Or we had runs where only thiefs and engis were allowed. Raids are really funny if you find a fitting group.

I know where the complains about toxicity come from. But I think it's mostly a problem about bad communication and not enough knowledge. If someone wants to start raids and don't know what LI or KP are, they will get kicked probably without explanation from a FC they joined unknowingly via LFG. When I'm doing raid runs as commander and happend to be confronted with it, I explain it to the new player. Normally they just thank me and say they will look for another group or ask me to write them if I'm doing trainings. But for example in strikes it's really annoying if people join with a class that was not required in lfg and don't answer when asked to switch. Then I need to kick them. They sometimes whispered me and asked me why I'm being so mean and I explain it. Normally it's okay then.

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@Lurana.7506 said:I really wish for raids to get more population. It's always fun when new members join our raid guild. We even make meme runs, which means we're running raids for fun with completely kitten group comps. Yesterday evening it was Wing 1 and Escort with no Druid and no Chronos. Me and another thief went for towers with Shadow Portal and at Sabetha the one coming back from a cannon called out the player for the next cannon and then when kiting until the next cannon player came back xD Or we had runs where only thiefs and engis were allowed. Raids are really funny if you find a fitting group.

I know where the complains about toxicity come from. But I think it's mostly a problem about bad communication and not enough knowledge. If someone wants to start raids and don't know what LI or KP are, they will get kicked probably without explanation from a FC they joined unknowingly via LFG. When I'm doing raid runs as commander and happend to be confronted with it, I explain it to the new player. Normally they just thank me and say they will look for another group or ask me to write them if I'm doing trainings. But for example in strikes it's really annoying if people join with a class that was not required in lfg and don't answer when asked to switch. Then I need to kick them. They sometimes whispered me and asked me why I'm being so mean and I explain it. Normally it's okay then.

The fact that you ask and answer is awesome! Keep doing that please. I hope more party leaders like you emerge.

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